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Title: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: VLSroulette on April 26, 2009, 10:42:45 AM
I see there are characteristics attached to randomness, which are accepted to mathematicians.

For instance, the two which come first to my mind are the law of large numbers and small numbers.

In short:

- Law of large numbers says numbers are expected to even out the larger the sample.

- "Small numbers" basically says "everything can happen in the short term". No evening out is expected (of course, in the very short term results can also be even, as anything can happen, ranges from even results to sharp deviations are accepted as "expected").

These simple two accepted characteristics, expected from randomness, lead us to asking another thing: How can we even "expect" something from "random"? Is it not "random" supposed to be unpredictable?

As I understand even if a single isolated event is accepted as random and this isolated event is totally acknowledged to be unpredictable (I.e. hardware-generated true random number), the studies are focused on many events of the same "random type": data collecting takes place from that source and then this statistically measured. So they are basically analyzing the data as a whole, not as a single outcome (curious isn't it? Even when analyzing roulette they do this).

When you think about it, for studying only 1 single event you focus on the process by which that outcome was generated and not the outcome itself, as there is nothing to study at a single result per se, it just "is", it happened as a product.

Others in the past have already made studies of randomness behavior, being the object of study the results always over many "single random events" studied together.

If any of you know characteristics pertaining to randomness and want to mention those, feel free to expose them here at this thread. There are some "illusions" and other aspects which have been attached to randomness which may be mention-worthy.

Victor

Title: Re: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: Spike on April 26, 2009, 07:48:19 PM
as there is nothing to study at a single result per se, it just "is">>

Its not about the single result, its about the relationship that result has to other aspects of the game.
Title: Re: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: bombus on April 26, 2009, 08:03:38 PM
Spike, could you perhaps supply a basic list of the aspects of the game that could be used as a learning guide, is that possible, I mean is there one that could be put down on paper?
Title: Re: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: Spike on April 26, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
Will I tell you how to do it, in other words. Nope..
Title: Re: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: gizmotron on April 26, 2009, 08:42:53 PM
Quote from: Spike on April 26, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
Will I tell you how to do it, in other words. Nope..

That is so cruel, I mean cool.
Title: Re: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: gizmotron on April 26, 2009, 08:48:54 PM
Quote from: bombus on April 26, 2009, 08:03:38 PM
Spike, could you perhaps supply a basic list of the aspects of the game that could be used as a learning guide, is that possible, I mean is there one that could be put down on paper?

OK. I'll tell you. You go into a casino. You see what is going on. You detect advantageous bet selections. You place educated bets. You reach your goal. You leave.
Title: Re: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: Tangram on July 07, 2009, 11:44:28 AM
Quote from: BatemanIt is accepted [thought] however that in games of chance the patterns in randomness are false and mean nothing.

And we should be grateful for that.  :)
Title: Re: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: Bateman on July 07, 2009, 12:45:27 PM
Quote from: Bateman
the brain can be trained

That is what I am grateful for
Title: Re: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: madupz4 on July 07, 2009, 12:49:13 PM
Quote from: Spike on April 26, 2009, 08:37:18 PM
Will I tell you how to do it, in other words. Nope..

Spike,

Check your messages
Title: Re: 2.) Does randomness contain characteristics? (Not a poll)
Post by: Gluckwunsch on October 28, 2018, 03:51:00 PM
Hm that is question for uneducated ..?   I thing some off us hopefully deal with real live wheels and facts ... don’t you Victor??  Spike and Bombus know already new age math-) just Wendel missing -)