Here is the results for the ATILA played "a la VLS" from these threads:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1195507534 <> Atila Money Management
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1196138798 <> VLS' Approach to ATILA + BET SELECTIONS
Methodology includes:
- Ideal-value play.
- Reset points as outlined in the Atila Main Thread.
Results for wiesbaden actuals as imported by Roulette Xtreme for date 2008-01-04 table #04:
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Global count for the testing: +258.
Side note: I did the whole 20080104_4.txt file, check this out:
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It ended at 1.594, almost 60% return on initial bank. 59,4% to be exact...
( This doesn't add for the OFFICIAL unit count of the current test -of course-, just did it to know what was waiting next after stopping as per the "25% return & exit" rule: total +594 units [smiley=lolk.gif] )
We did it again!
+270
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Global count was 258, adding +270 = 528 units in two sessions. Not bad, nope sir!
Just for the sake of it I completed the whole 356 spins for the file and it resulted in this:
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Yes. We could have followed but better to be safe than sorry since this is gambling, so we leave global unit count at +528.
is anyone still testing atila+vls :)
Was wondering if there was anywhere where Victor posted continual test results for this.
Quote from: pauljwpa on January 24, 2008, 01:43:28 PM
is anyone still testing atila+vls :)
Actually, I've been testing this method alot lately. I will post some results shortly... very impressive though to say the least. (my last test, 381 spins, +463, largest drawdown -260, well withing my acceptable range)
I am using 9 numbers with Vic's Waker Meth.
Cheers,
Matt
I've been testing my own 6-number-progression-variation of this, and while I'm still in the testing/tweaking stage, the results have always been very impressive - I'm winning about 9 from 10 sessions (using a 50%-65% stop loss and 10% target - because it does sometimes fall over and can take a long while to recover - the way I've been playing it anyway ;)).
CD
Hi All,
I'm Phien, i'm from VietNam...
I've played roulette online for 2 months and i lose.....
i search on google and i know this forum...
VLSRoulette told me the way to win is "ATILA system" and i have tested it, the result is very impressive, i won 78 units for 60 spins...
Thank you so much, VLS!!!
These are my test results of the ATILA + VLS' Approach (playing lines). Please note that I played these sessions slightly differently to VLS: I only bet on a qualifying line for 4 spins and I rise the bet by 1 unit on every loss (using reset points after a win). Also, if I lose half my bank roll (which happened once), I stop and wait for a virtual hit before resuming play. (I also wait for a virtual hit at the start of every session before betting & if no hits after 6 bets I go into virtual again until I get a hit). I'm sure my results will not continue to be this positive, so I'm thinking of also playing more passively when I lose 50% of my bank roll (delaying the rise after a loss for 3-6 spins until things look better).
I'm playing with a bank roll of 500 units (£1 chips), aiming for about 10% before I quit, and the starting bet is £6 per line.
Anyway, here's the results for 11 sessions:
£98
£75.50
£142
£82
£48
£43 (quit early)
£112
£73
£28 (quit early)
£92
£100
Wins: 11
Losses: 0 ;D
Total profit: £893, acheived in 450 spins in total (about 11 hours play)
The biggest draw down was £300 (once), the average draw down per session was about £70, average spins is 40.
I've tried all sorts of tweaks on this, with similar results - but I think the way I played these sessions suits me best, for now anyway...
CD
I've just won the another 7 sessions - That's 18 winning sessions on the trot since playing this way ;D. £70 was the biggest draw down (£30 av), 50 was the most spins (30 av).
Still aiming for about £50, but quiting when I get close:
£30
£90
£30
£32
£42
£45
£48
I'm liking this vey much. It must (and will) fall over soon, though. I'll have a better idea when I hit 100 sessions. Shame it's not real spondoolies...
Chicken
Dancin' Chicken Man!
Look, I've wanted to know what's going on here since day one. The links only take you back to the VLS home page. Could you link me to the rules of this system?
Sam
i only can find atilla money management..
i cant find atila+vls ...
pls help,,
I can't even find that!
Hi Sam,
I'm not sure where the original post is either, but here's the original ATILA:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/the-atila-money-management/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/the-atila-money-management/)
Check the early parts of Anand's coaching thread in the VLS section for his low down on riding the cycles, and for where to place bets on the lines.
I'm playing it on 6 numbers (lines).
In a nut shell, rather than playing a fixed 6 numbers the whole session, instead divide the table into 6 lots of lines (1-6, 7-12, 13-18, etc.) and wait for 2 lines to show in 3 spins and then bet that the line repeats for the next 4 spins (I think Victor bets 5 or 6). If another line qualifies while betting, jump to that line and now bet that for 4 spins, and do the same again if required. You'll be jumping around a lot sometimes (I think Victor does this too). If after 4 bets and no hits or re-qualifiction of another line, wait until another qualifies before betting again.
I always use Victor's reset points when I'm recovering from a sucession of losses. Where I differ to captain Victor, and what I do have in common with the orignal ATILA, though, is that I rise after every loss.
It's also very important to be situational at the start of session and wait for a virtual hit before betting, and also stop and go into virtual again if you do not then get a hit within 6 bets. Repeat if necessary. Once you've had a "real" money hit, play the session out (although maybe this rule could be obeyed throughout as a further safety break).
Another thing I have considered, however, is if the same line re-qualifies itself during betting, should I continue to bet it for another 4 spins? At the moment I don't, but I am going to test this way if I lose faith in how I play it now.
Anyway, have fun with it. It'll be good to have your opinions. I'm not surprised it's one of Victor's favourites - it's proving amazingly successful, well so far anyway.
Victor is of course the man if you have questions about how it should be played. In fact, I'd really like to hear your opinions Victor, if you're reading this?
Cheers
CD
PS That dancing chicken avatar is already starting to anoy me... it might have to go...
QuoteI'd really like to hear your opinions Victor, if you're reading this?
As long as it works it is valid.
Mind you, ATILA's original plan was: pick a 9-number set and bet on it until you reach session goal or bankroll "dies". He isn't a fan of bet selection.
That didn't made too much sense to me so I started trying several selections, add pauses, riding cycles, and the whole "VLS" methodology.
My latest tweak (after tweak, after tweak, after tweak, after tweak, after tweak..... ::)) has been to try to stretch that 500-unit bank the maximum by betting 3 different-paying locations. Like this:
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Sweet thing is the straight-up number will hit at a regular rate, as much as the split and the street and of course the whole covered line will present itself in cycles; they all will meet statistics -with standard deviations of course. This means there are
guaranteed hits when playing at "typical samples".
When I get the time I'll explain in detail my passive-agressive methodology (Anand's thread) which I'm using for real money since some time now and is what I have come to the conclusion that serves as a big helper to win sustainedly, along with the 50% money-management for automated inter-session .
Some hints on "Passive-agressive":
3 keeps on being the magic number. After 3 missing cycles you never back a location: it may be the next's record-breaking occurrence, you never know.
(Remember the cycle is calculated like 36/<numerical coverage>. For 9 numbers, it is 36/9 = 4 spins. And so on)
i.e.
36/18 = Cycle for RED/BLACK = 2 spins.
2 spins x 3 (cycles) = 6 spins.
After 6 spins you never back an even chance location to appear, all your attacks must be done within 3 cycles from target betting location's last appearance.
Another example:
36/6 = Cycle for a line = 6 spins.
6 spins x 3 (cycles) = 18 spins.
After 18 spins of absense you never back a line to appear.
And it goes all through roulette's betting location, till 1 number.
Cycle for a single number = 36 spins.
36 spins x 3 (cycles) = 108 spins.
Those 108 spins are the very maximum "window" to hunt a fixed number. After that you let it go as much as wishes.
That in regard as to the eligible betting locations in my framework and for how long to old a bet: You only do the ones that are
maximum within a 3 cycles and hold your bet for a maximum of cycles too. 3 as our "magic number".
For not complicating too much, I'll say that when dispersion of hits arrives, better to be betting the minimum, and I mean the very minimum allowed at the location.
This minimal bet holds for as long as dispersion of hits is in place (PASSIVE part). Then after it ends (a hit appears) we can adjust our progression acording to the total amount of units lost by this minimal-betting, and hunt a possible concentration of hits to cancel the deficit (AGRESSIVE part), so effectively, we end up using our progressions where it makes more sense, at the positive tram and surf dispersion with minimal loss; unlike the martingale that "bets the house" precicely when things are going bad.
Cancelling losses in a positive tram (a.k.a concentration of hits) is what for instance consistent winners like Lanky do with his 6-point plan. He regresses the bets more slowly, substracting 1 at a time from the divisor, while at my framework we regress to the
very lowest amount to bet allowed at the minimal sign of the beginning of any dispersion.
"Hits will come", "there are guaranteed hits as you can't lose more than math says"... ...yes, but we better be proficient at identifying dispersion for regressing and keeping units to still have life in our playing banks for when those hits apprear.
Regards,
Victor
Thanks Victor - that's brilliant. The way you play is very interesting, and certainly a damn sight more mathematically nuanced than my approach. I guess there are a million different ways of playing the ATILA-style, but yours seems the most advanced.
Anyway, I'll keep playing with it and I'm looking forward to hearing more about your passive-agressive methodology in Anand's thread.
Cheers,
CD
Hi Victor,
Just a thought on playing ATILA-style on lines. If targeting 1 line only, rather than hunting qualifying lines to bet, do you think there is merit in waiting for a line to sleep for 3 cycles (18 spins) and then target that line once it hits?
I've done a few tests and it seems very positive. Basically you should, in theory, be able hit your target profit quicker with 'statistical pressure' on your side.
Of course there is nothing stopping that line from falling asleep again from the very moment you start betting. But if so, by employing some of your methods, e.g., delayed bets on the progression, waiting for virtual hits after 6 misses, passive-agressive: not using progressions but betting minimum after missing 3 cycles until a hit, etc, you 'should' be able to stretch your bank-roll for long enough so that the eventual arrival of a succession of hits on your targeted line are able to swing your bank balance back toward break even or profit. Well, most of the time at least :P.
CD
Still testing 6 number ATILA + VLS (line surfing-style) as per my previous post. I've now played 46 sessions (approx. 1,750 spins) and, to my amazement and joy, have still not lost a single session.
Test results from 46 sessions (mix of Hamburg, Dublin Bet and Coral's online RNG-based casino):
Average profit per session: 59 units (target is 30-50, 140 largest)
Average drawdown per session: 65 units (300 largest)
Average spins per session: 38 spins=1 hour avg. (105 largest)
Time of play: approx. 44 hours
Wins: 46
Losses: 0
Profit: 2,731 units
While I've not tested this enough to get too excited yet, these results are very promising to say the least.
More people should get on this.
CD
CD
OK, I'm clear as mud as to what you're doing. I'd like to follow along, but don't know where to start. OK, you use six numbers. A double-street? One that has slept for how long? So your Atilla would look like this at the beginning:
1 1 1 1 1 1 ......?
Then
2 1 1 1 1 1
Then 2 2 1 1 1 1 and so on.......??
Yes, more people should jump on this.
I just don't know which way to jump!!
LOL
Sam
Looks like there is a million & one ways to play this :-\
Great results so far Chicken Dinner...... :o
Long may it continue...... 8)
NO! NO! NO!
Not a million and one............please!
Just one!!
LOL at the Xman!!
Sam
Hey Sammy ;)
The way my mind is going, one way is going to be one too many......
Hi all,
Don't worry - perhaps there are not a quite million different ways to play this, but there are a hell of a lot. Only testing and tweaking will find the best way that suits the player.
After my testing, Sam, I decided to forget playing a fixed line or sleeping lines (I hate sleepers anyway) and just try and play what is 'typical'. So effectively, I'm aiming to surf a potential succession of hits by betting only when line 1 to 6 either repeats, or hits twice within 3 spins, but protecting my bankroll with a 4 window attack per line (until another line qualifies).
Even though you play 6 numbers (lines), you only have 3 bets per line: 1 on the street and 2 on its neighbouring street (1 on a split and 1 on the last hit number from columns 1 or 3). Or, if the last number to hit on the qualifying line was not from columns 1 or 3, I just play the last hit number on that line as my straight selction (always trying to exploit the phenomenon of repeating numbers).
As Victor suggests, I raise the bet 1 unit in this order: street, split, single number.
What I love about this system is its logic. It works because there will almost always be a line that decides to go though a cycle of hits beyond 'normal' expectation, and so we aim to be there to surf it when it happens.
I'm pretty sure that this system can only lose in the unlikely event that not only are the hits to each lines very evenly dispersed over the cycles, but also dispersed in such a way that you never get 1 line hitting more than twice in 6 (or 7) spins for over 50 or so spins. Or, it could fail if you get trapped too often between 2 lines that are hitting above normal expectations and are constantly alternating (e.g. 232323263...). I've seen this every so often and I'm thinking of incorporating a 'situational tweak' to exploit it. However, it doesn't seem to last long enough to kill too much of your bankroll before that hit comes along.
In a typical 'easy' win session though, line 1 might, for example, be more popular for a cycle (e.g, getting 3 or more hits in 6 or 7 spins), then, the next few cycles will hit quite evenly, as per statistical expectations, (e.g., 165231245) and then another line will become popular (16523124522322). So this system has everything going for it: it tries to predict when a line is about to become popular, and attempts to surf the potential succession of hits within the attack window.
Victor uses a 6 window attack and delayed unit rising after a loss and also goes into virtual play after 6 attacks without a hit (which I only use for game entry).
While Victor might prove me wrong, my testing suggests that this way often takes too long to hit target profits, so my compromise was a 4-window attack and no delay on rising.
However, I think as long you try and ride the hits, rather than sticking to the same line, countless betting variations of a 'surf-style method' will be successful over the long term (whether it be 6 numbers, 9, or 12, situational entry, delayed betting, reviewed play after a dispersion of hits, etc). As Victor says, in a 'typical' session the hits are guaranteed.
As well as my session testing, I have also spent some time shoving Hamburg spins through RX to get a 'feel' for how lines behave; and the great thing is that I'm yet to see a table where at least 1 line does not become popular within these betting parameters.
CD
CD
Let's eat this elephant one bite at a time. I quote you:
"1 to 6 either repeats, or hits within 3 spins, but protecting my bankroll with a 4 window attack per line (until another line qualifies)"
Is "line" to you a double street? 1-6; 31-31? I'll assume it is.
So we wait for a double street to hit back-to-back or hit within three spins. I understand back-to-back hits, but "hits within 3 spins" puzzles me.
Now, what does "4 window attack" mean? You only bet four times or until another double street qualifies and then jump to it?
Hi Sam,
Sorry, I'm not being as clear as I should be.
Yes - a line is a double street (1: 1-6, 2: 7-12, 3: 13-18, 4: 19-24, etc)
You bet after either a line repeats, e.g., line 5 repeats: 1362(55): bet line 5 now, or if a line hits twice within 3 spins, e.g., 13641(525): bet line 5 now.
A 4 window attack means you bet that line for 4 spins only, e.g., 1362545(3165) - a win on line 5 on the 4th and final attack.
LLLW
or until another line qualifies, e.g., 1362545(4124): you started out betting line 5 but immediatley switched to 4 as the last 3 spins showed 454. And won on the 3rd attack of line 4.
In this instance you'd bet line 4 once more also because you attack each qualifying line 4 times regardless of hits or misses (the 4 bet attack window)
Your 4 window attack applies to the most recently qualified line, so if new lines keep qualifying, you keep betting the line that has qualified for 4 spins. In some cases you'll be be betting a lot as you jump from line to line.
You're only concerned with the last 2 or 3 spins. You bet the 4 next spins if 2 of the same lines have hit within 3 spins or a line has just repeated (back-to-back) in 2 spins.
In a situation when line hits alternate, e.g., 24242424 - you'll be continously betting either line 2 or 4 or until one becomes the last 3 or 2. - eg 242424243615214 - you would spend the final 4 bets on line 4. And would have lost, so would then wait for qualification of a new line for you to bet.
I hope this makes sense buddy.
CD
CD
I think the word "twice" is what I was yearning for!
or if a line hits twice within 3 spins, e.g., 13641(525): bet line 5 now.
I'll work more later.
Sam
Yes - 'twice' is the magic word that's missing here - i'll edit my post.
CD
[table=,]
Spin,Bet,Progression,LW,Balance
12
12
32
26
8
21
14
9
10,2ndLine,111,W,+9
32,2ndLine,111,L,+6
18,2ndLine,111,L,+3
10,2ndLine,111,W,+36
25,2ndLine,111,L,+33
22,2ndLine,111,L,+30
14,2ndLine,111,L,+27
5,2ndLine,211,L,+24
13,2ndLine,221,L,+19
10,2ndLine,222,W,+85
19,2ndLine,111,L,+82
9,2ndLine,111,W,+91
34,2ndLine,111,L,+88
3,2ndLine,111,L,+85
29,2ndLine,111,L,+82
11,2ndLine,211,W,+102
11,STOP,STOP,STOP,STOP
[/table]
I'm very happy with end result even If I would continue I would win on that 11 :)
Hey CD
How do you place your bets if a number in the middle column hit last.
For example:
4 - 7 - 8. There's obviously a line repeater there and I get that you would bet on street 2 and 3. But how would you actually place the bets?
I've looked through all the advice for this system but can't find the answer (if it's obvious, I apologise)
Thanks
Ross
Hey Ross,
What I do is look at the last 15 (or 12) spins to see if an outside number has hit on the qualifying line. If so, the last to hit is my straight number bet. But if not, my straight no. bet is the last (obviously middle) number that hit on that line (eg, 1 unit bet on each of the 2 neighbouring streets and 1 unit as a straight no. bet on the last hit middle number). There might be better ways to play this, but my reasoning is toward always exploiting repeating numbers.
In your example, though, a column number is available, so I'd bet 1 unit on no. 7, 1 unit on 8/9 spit & 1 unit on street 10-12.
Watch out with your betting progressions though, if you go 6 bets without a hit, you wanna think about a suitable method for betting smaller amounts on qualifying lines until you get a hit. I've been testing a reverse progression system where after 6 misses, I start reducing 1 unit after every loss, going right down to 2 units during a dispersion (1 on the line & 1 on the straight) until I get a hit. Or, if my last losing (6th) bet was 11 units or more, my next bet is always 10 ten units and then I start reducing the bets, also down to 2 units if neccessary. This doesn't happen very often, but when it does I feel confident that I can ride out the dispersions without losing too much of my BR. Feel free to experiment though, there are many ways of playing this.
CD
Hope this helps
CD
CD
Thanks for your help. I agree on trying to exploit repeating numbers, I've tested every 'repeating' system I can get my hands on but to no avail.
I think this system (or certainly a variation of it) has legs, so I'll keep testing.
Ross
This Atila progression looks promising. I would like to try it with some kind of hot sector selection method.
Lot of things to decide on:
- How many numbers to pick?
- How many spins to look at for the decision?
- When to change sectors?
Ron.
i must say that this Atila method is working quite well for me! :-)
I am using it with GPM by Kimo Li. works great hehe..
try it!
BobbyBobby
bobbybobby,
I found GPM a means of recognising patterns.
which betting triggers do you use for entering. i am guessing something like 4 from 5 for a sector of 9. Then use an atilla as a progression for an amount of trials.
i had thought about this. have a go for 4 trails. If it goes cold, await another sector to signal an then off we go and continue the progression.
sooner or later one will have to give us a profit and reset.