Here is some proof that people all over the world agree that I have something that is real enjoy the read.This will put the stops on those that say I have nothing. So enjoy my friends.
To all here if you don't understand something please ask and I will go over it with you .All here should know that my system is in the test area so check it out there.
Here is a post that was made by someone
The picture represents the hole where all the old and tired roulette methods and systems have to go. I can tell everyone on this forum that James's discovery will change the way everybody (well, almost everybody) thinks towards games of chance. It is the future, it is called HIDDEN MATH. It will save countless poor souls from searching the internet and only finding prehistoric betting methods that the authors even admit don't work in the long run, how can these guys sleep at night knowing that people are losing money they can probably ill afford to lose by following something that the author himself knows can never hold up. Yet they try to discredit everyone else out of false pride for their own work. Some people have been digging themselves in a hole for years and are pushing others in as well, it is about time the real thinkers of the 21st century are allowed to show what they have rather than listening to the know-all teachers who dress up everything that was never any good and never will be any good.
Here is another post that someone made
Hidden Math is what the name describes, it throws away all the misconceptions and old ideas that we have spent years looking at. Previous spins are completely irrelevant and should not be even considered. Progressions are a slippery slope down the "devil's staircase". You have to think in terms of the session as a whole. James was right when he said this leads to a few higher dimensions and he is playing on a completely different level to anything that has been mentioned not only here but in any books, and that includes authors who I would consider very knowledgeable on the subject of gambling. It is better than card counting, better than V.B. and I think many would even swap their roulette computers for it. What I am saying is that it is both original and unique. James must take a lot of satisfaction from what he has achieved here. I don't say any of this lightly and it has inspired my thinking and creativity towards roulette again that was sadly missing for a little while.
Another post someone made about me
Hello James, thank you. I thought that I sometimes looked out of the box. It looks like you have circumnavigated it. It opens up a whole new train of thought. If I am been honest with you, I would have never arrived at any of it. Maybe 1 step at most. You will never hear me mention Hamburg again, lol. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. All I can say to anybody else is to listen carefully and let it sink in without pre-judging anything. I am more stubborn than most but have to admit defeat when the truth is staring me in the face.
It is CHECKMATE indeed for hamburg, progressions and systems based on previous spins when compared with HIDDEN MATH. It's just a shame it was so well hidden, maybe I should have went to school more, lol. No, can't take anything away from you James. You are a proper gent and a good friend.
@Snowman, this is no joke. I will tell you how serious it is. I have had my computer hacked over the last few day's and I am not a happy chappie, it shows how desperate some people are to find out what people are saying to each other, it's a good job I don't keep any information on my laptop for any longer than 24 hours, this is basically the only site I come to, (there's a joke in there somewhere ) Anyway like I said HIDDEN MATH is no joke and it will be talked about for years to come as the gaming discovery of the early 21st century
winwithmath
James Albert Wendel
James, please accept my apologies. You were right all along.
Thank you sir,
I am looking forward to chat with you.
HS
Hi James,
I read most of your posts here and at GG.
I am changing the tracking style as LWs instead of -1,0,+1 etc.
Just see here:
R
B L
B W
B W
R L +1
B L
B W +2
B W
R L +3
R W
etc.
I agree with you. Random event swings back and forth a lot.
Thanks
HS
Hi James,
You wont like the extended testing. But to show the forum, about "back and forth" swings, I am posting this.
I believe your system is the Holy Grail, what every one is searching for. :yahoo: :good:
Here is another test. It took long time to come back to +4. I am really enjoying the swings. :dance1: :dance1:
Thanks James.
Still waiting to chat with u
Nice chatting with u James. Here is another quick one.
Has there been any good explanation of this for us so called slow learners or are we still talking airey fairey stuff
I see we are connected now. Can we talk in Chat? Ill be there.
Greetings.
Javier
ok..... but where are the system explained¿? I cant find it.
thank you.
Javier
I will try to explain it in simple terms natural:
1. What he says is "change" is the only thing happens in random events.
2. Random events swings back and forth
3. To capture those events we employ a simple flat betting system.
4. We stop at +4 on a win or else the back and forth motion will drag you down.
5. On a losing secession we stop at -8 or -4/-6 if you want.
OK now the system:
We can play any EC. Here I am explaining R/B:
Every spin we track for L/W. For betting we look back 2rd spin and decide.
If win or lose we skip 1 spin and look back 2rd spin and decide.
Now the example:
R
B L
B W
B W----------> Here I am looking back 3 spins there is L so I am betting on R (B will lose)
R L +1
B L-------------> skip and look back 3 spins there is W so expect B to win
B W +2
B W---------------> skip and look back 3 spins there is L so I am expecting B to lose and Red wins
R L +3
R W
etc.
If 0 comes just ignore dont write in the tracking. At the time of betting if 0 comes, just it is a loss. No L is entered in tracking.
I hope this helps. If you have any question shoot at me.
Hide can you work this example out for me we betting odds and evens in this case with thanks
29
8
26
10
34
1
24
2
23
7
1
27
19
31
5
18
7
35
32
10
31
20
17
21
15
15
33
22
17
28
3
18
Hello Natural9,
29 O
8 E -1
26 E 0
10 E +1 -1
34 E +2
1 O +1 +1
24 E 0
2 E +1 +1
23 O 0
7 O +1 +1
1 O +2
27 O +3 -1
19 O +4
31 O +5 -1
5 O +6
18 E +5 +1
7 O +4
35 O +5 +1
32 E +4
10 E +5 +1
31 O +4
20 E +3 -1
17 O +2
21 O +3 +1
15 O +4
15 O +5 -1
33 O +6
22 E +5 +1
17 O +4
28 E +3 -1
3 O +2
18 E +1 -1
Col 3 is for tracking and col 4 actual betting.
We end up +1, highest was +3. We would have stopped if we hit target +4.
Tracking used Follow The Last (FTL)
Regards
sniper
Let me try: ;)
29 O
8 L
26 W
10 W---------> Bet L
34 W -1
1 L ---------> No bet and look back 2 spins ie 10 which has W so play Odd
24 L -2 (we lose)
2 W-----------> No bet and look back 2 spins ie 1 which has L so play for odd
23 L------------->-1 (we won)
7 w------------> No bet and look back 2 spins ie 2 which has W so we play for odd
1 w------------> 0 (Won)
27 w
19 w----------> +1
31 w
5 w---------->+2
18 L
7 L---------->1 (Lose)
35 W
32 L-----------> +2 (Win)
10 W
31 L-----------> +1 (Lose)
20 L
17 L-----------> 0
21 W
15 L----------->+1
15 w
33 w----------->+2
22 L
17 L------------>+1
28 W
3 L------------>+2
18 W
I think the sequence ends here. Anyway the concept is made clear here.
I hope this helps.
Quote from: sniper on October 17, 2009, 11:17:37 PM
Hello Natural9,
29 O
8 E -1
26 E 0
10 E +1 -1
34 E +2
1 O +1 +1
24 E 0
2 E +1 +1
23 O 0
7 O +1 +1
1 O +2
27 O +3 -1
19 O +4
31 O +5 -1
5 O +6
18 E +5 +1
7 O +4
35 O +5 +1
32 E +4
10 E +5 +1
31 O +4
20 E +3 -1
17 O +2
21 O +3 +1
15 O +4
15 O +5 -1
33 O +6
22 E +5 +1
17 O +4
28 E +3 -1
3 O +2
18 E +1 -1
Col 3 is for tracking and col 4 actual betting.
We end up +1, highest was +3. We would have stopped if we hit target +4.
Tracking used Follow The Last (FTL)
Regards
sniper
Ok thanks Sniper
How does it perform long term
MM is to leave table once 4 units up so this cant be played continuously
Regards Rodney
Quote from: hideseek on October 17, 2009, 11:29:14 PM
Let me try: ;)
29 O
8 L
26 W
10 W---------> Bet L
34 W -1
1 L ---------> No bet and look back 2 spins ie 10 which has W so play Odd
24 L -2 (we lose)
2 W-----------> No bet and look back 2 spins ie 1 which has L so play for odd
23 L------------->-1 (we won)
7 w------------> No bet and look back 2 spins ie 2 which has W so we play for odd
1 w------------> 0 (Won)
27 w
19 w----------> +1
31 w
5 w---------->+2
18 L
7 L---------->1 (Lose)
35 W
32 L-----------> +2 (Win)
10 W
31 L-----------> +1 (Lose)
20 L
17 L-----------> 0
21 W
15 L----------->+1
15 w
33 w----------->+2
22 L
17 L------------>+1
28 W
3 L------------>+2
18 W
I think the sequence ends here. Anyway the concept is made clear here.
I hope this helps.
Thanks Hide least got some examples to work from now
Regards Rodney
How come Sniper is in Negative :punish:
Quote from: hideseek on October 17, 2009, 11:34:36 PM
How come Sniper is in Negative :punish:
he ended up plus 1
Let the Master to come and punish the correct person (me/Sniper) ::)
U dont need paper and pencil. Just look at the past 2nd spin and decide whether it is L/W. That is the bet for next spin. In fact u dont need a brain. F*** the casino. They designed a system to take money from any body, who has brain or no brain. This system is doing exactly the same. FK the casino.
Sometime back randomness was a monster to me. Now she is my child. Just swinging in my lap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) :give_heart:Back and Forth all the time. I love her :-*and I love my Master James Albert Wendel all the time :give_rose:.
Quote from: hideseek on October 17, 2009, 11:47:45 PM
Let the Master to come and punish the correct person (me/Sniper) ::)
U dont need paper and pencil. Just look at the past 2nd spin and decide whether it is L/W. That is the bet for next spin. In fact u dont need a brain. F*** the casino. They designed a system to take money from any body, who has brain or no brain. This system is doing exactly the same. FK the casino.
Sometime back randomness was a monster to me. Now she is my child. Just swinging in my lap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;) :give_heart:Back and Forth all the time. I love her :-*and I love my Master James Albert Wendel all the time :give_rose:.
How has it been performing
It looks like to me it wil llose to long strings of streaks
Killing somebody and swinging on somebody else!
She is mine. All the time all along.
She can swing any way she wants, as a dad, I am there to hold her.
I know her
she knows me
and she
knows my master JAW
James Albert Wendel.
Win win win.
QuoteIt looks like to me it wil llose to long strings of streaks
This is where we win sir!
If u cant understand the swing -------------------> go over again, randomness is a little girl, just harness her and make her as your own child.
She will be there with u all the time all along!
Hello Natural9,hideseek,
I follow exactly what was taught by the master in the good old days.We tested 3000 shoes and came out positive. Natural9, the target is 4 units as suggested by James.We are suppose to stop when we hit our target or stop loss of -8 units.If we wish to continue, we have to move to another table and start new.The master also mentioned other dimension of play to be played together to achieve more win.It was posted for a long period of time on other forum as well.
Regards
sniper
:sarcastic:
Hideseek and natural9 you both got it wrong - check the LW and +-
Hideseek the last ones 15 was a win and 28 Lost - 18 also Lost. end with 0 .
Natural9 the +1 and -1 are wrong.
The method works its just your records of the play that is wrong.
IF you explain what is going to change and what is used for reference to change or repeat. - The last number the rest guys and girls here will follow the method quicker.
The number that was not played on, is used to the prior prior of this number and the win or lose of that number, to its prior, if you were to follow it to repeat. With this you decide if the last not played numbers is going to change or not.
Thanks
TCD
Quote from: Twocando on October 18, 2009, 05:07:48 AM
:sarcastic:
Hideseek and natural9 you both got it wrong - check the LW and +-
Hideseek the last ones 15 was a win and 28 Lost - 18 also Lost. end with 0 .
Natural9 the +1 and -1 are wrong.
The method works its just your records of the play that is wrong.
IF you explain what is going to change and what is used for reference to change or repeat. - The last number the rest guys and girls here will follow the method quicker.
The number that was not played on, is used to the prior prior of this number and the win or lose of that number, to its prior, if you were to follow it to repeat. With this you decide if the last not played numbers is going to change or not.
Thanks
TCD
TCD you have lost me now
snipers and hideseek arent right then show us an example please with how and why the bet
Regards Rodney
Hello Tangram,
Sorry about the detail, it will take a long time to dig out the data and go over again manually.I believe there were many other guys following the system at that stage, hope someone can provide you with more details.
Regards
sniper
Quote from: hideseek on October 17, 2009, 11:29:14 PM
Let me try: ;)
29 O
8 L
26 W
10 W---------> Bet L
34 W -1
1 L ---------> No bet and look back 2 spins ie 10 which has W so play Odd
24 L -2 (we lose)
2 W-----------> No bet and look back 2 spins ie 1 which has L so play for odd
23 L------------->-1 (we won)
7 w------------> No bet and look back 2 spins ie 2 which has W so we play for odd
1 w------------> 0 (Won)
27 w
19 w----------> +1
31 w
5 w---------->+2
18 L
7 L---------->1 (Lose)
35 W
32 L-----------> +2 (Win)
10 W
31 L-----------> +1 (Lose)
20 L
17 L-----------> 0
21 W
15 L----------->+1 WHY THE L --- 21 TO 15 ODD ITS A WIN ( lost cause 21 to change 20 was a L)
15 w
33 w----------->+2 0
22 L
17 L------------>+1 -1
28 W
3 L------------>+2 0
18 W WHY THE W --- 3 TO 18 IS ODD / EVEN LOST
I think the sequence ends here. Anyway the concept is made clear here.
I hope this helps.
Quote from: sniper on October 17, 2009, 11:17:37 PM
29 O
8 E -1
26 E 0
10 E +1 -1
34 E +2
1 O +1 +1 must be -1 (0) 34 on 26 - 26 won so 34 to stay the same.
24 E 0
2 E +1 +1 right (1) 24 on 34 - 34 won so 24 will stay the same.
23 O 0
7 O +1 +1 must be -1 (0) 23 on 24 - 24 lost so 23 will change Lost did not change
1 O +2
27 O +3 -1 right (-1) 1 on 23 - 23 lost so 1 to change. Lost 1 didn't change.
19 O +4
31 O +5 -1 must be +1 (0) 19 on 1 - 1 won so 19 will stay the same Won Did stay the same.
5 O +6
18 E +5 +1 must be -1 (-1) 5 on 19 - 19 won so 5 to stay the same- Lost didn't stay the same.
7 O +4
35 O +5 +1 right ( 0 ) 7 on 5 - 5 won so 7 to stay the same, it did stay odd.
32 E +4
10 E +5 +1 must be ( -1) 32 on 7 - 7 lost so 32 to change - it didn't lost
31 O +4
20 E +3 -1 must be +1 ( 0 ) 31 on 32 - 32 lost so change 31 - it changed won
17 O +2
21 O +3 +1 must be -1 ( -1 ) 17 on 31 - 31 lost so 17 to change. it didn't- Lost
15 O +4
15 O +5 -1 must be -1 ( -2 )
33 O +6
22 E +5 +1 (-3)
17 O +4
28 E +3 -1 (-4)
3 O +2
18 E +1 -1 (-3)
Played on Even/Odd the last number to change to the trend of the prior prior if that were to be followed.
The odd / evens repeated to last 16 times and changed to last, 15 times.
TCD
James can you do my example above with the odds and evens and show why you do what you did
regards Rodney
Jamres if you give us plenty of worked examples I am sure most of us ould understand from the worked examples better and also ask better questions on it
Thanks mate
Regards rodney
James give us lots of worked examples so we can get the hang of it and do the example of mine earlier in this thread
Hello James and everyone :)
It is not difficult to understand but because it is NEW to most people, the brain likes to play tricks on you.
It is important that you take the time to really study it and experiment with it by yourself. There is no substitute for hard work and putting in the hours to see how this works. Like driving lessons, if you take one a fortnight then you will never get there. Concentration is a tool that you need to sharpen and the way to do it is through daily conditioning.
The rewards are there for anybody that wants them.
cheers James for continuing to share this and for your hard work.
elmo
i can understand how hideseek and sniper are playing it they are playing it correctly i assume but i try their way on some earlier example and now seem to have the same results
Elmo they were correct in my example were they not if not show me how you play it
Regards Rodney
This is incredible. I once saw a method like this, how to place bets I mean. It was called Tagwar. I think they were playing it back in the 70's. I saw it before in that old movie "Bang the Drum Slowly."
Nothing new about this overkill promoted system. I am playing this for a long time without all the ballet. and always come out a winner---------MY WAY.
So what else is new ? Just a lot of " gezeter geschrei ". People loooove to lap up things. When I recommended a method a while back I got flak for not coming right to the point . Here we have a poster who is constantly saying I will post it at such and such time and when the time comes he promises to post it within the hour. The hour is loooooooooon gone. Anyone disagreeing is considered unworthy by him.
Nathan Detroit
Hi Lanky,
QuoteBut why is it You say look back 2 spins when in actual fact Your looking back 3 spins from the last Known Result
There is probably a simple explanation for this but I can't see it as these Examples above were Played.
Unless Your Playing a Different way to Sniper.
But that still does not explain the (Look back 2 spins) when it is 3 spins back OFF the last know Result.
You are right I was looking back 3 spins.
Thanks for pointing out mate.
HS
@TCD
QuoteHideseek and natural9 you both got it wrong - check the LW and +-
Hideseek the last ones 15 was a win and 28 Lost - 18 also Lost. end with 0 .
Thanks for pointing out the mistake mate.
I am entitled to post my take on this board. You have insulted me and I shall complain to the moderator about your attack on me.
Wendell if I would be om the subject in any negative way you would be ranting as you are very well to be known for. One cannot lead any independent conversation with you. You are getting right of the tangent if any one only slightly disagrees with you.
I shall proclaim my holy grail on October 31st right here on VLS and the time is 00:01 October 31, 2009 for all to know. Remember the October 31 st 00:01.
This will put your system out of commission.
Nathan Detroit
Roulette is a losing game just as all casino games are . No system exists to prove otherwise. I am playing casino games for over 29 years and know what I am talking about. With my SUPERB bet selection backed by a strictly enforced MM system I am proud to say that I have suffered no damage by the casinos.
Beware of false prophets !!!
Just read between the lines of those " winning promises'.
Nathan Detroit
Hi Warman,
Please can you confirm. Are you betting every spin or is it every other spin as per hideseek's earlier examples?
Thanks
Bali
@Bali
We have to play every other spin. Look back 2 spin and decide your next bet. Not 3 spin as shown in my example. Correct way of tracking is as done by Sniper.
Hi
Can someone who understands this ,explain to me how big runs of Reds or blacks(if we are playing the colours),DOES NOT kill this method of playing(as someone has already said).It seems like it does to me.
Thanks
The Spiders Kiss
James,
there is no reason to talk down to Spider. All he asked was how your "system" preforms when a streak occurs.
Simmer down.
Matt
Hey
You said you would answer questions and I gave you a question.
You know what I wont post anymore in here....you need to take a chill pill...what you have here is not the holy grail...
TSK
Earlier I mention this would bew susceptible to streaks but i guess i was being a dumbass
James what you do in this scenario
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
R
R
R
B
R
R
R
B
B
B
B
Thank you Lanky - totally agree. Spider was not being a smart ass (or a snart as). Basic question if you ask me.
Matt
sheesh here we go again
Quote from: forum going down on October 18, 2009, 06:36:31 PM
I never say that I'm sorry Spider is an ass we all know it here. I'm no spike that will kiss ass
winwithmath
James Albert Wendel
I've got news for you James. I'm not Spike. I doubt that Spike will ever apologize to you. He didn't kiss your butt anywhere did he? My apologizing to you was as much the truth as I have been able to gather from your future math concepts and your explanations of your betting systems. BTW, you think that there are more chops than streaks and that skipping a bet or two and betting on OLD or FLD is a winning system. It's mechanical and will always follow the long term laws of probability. It will not beat the math as you suggest. You just have a very strong belief that you have not fully researched yet. You will learn that it will correct itself and break down your bankroll eventually. The problem is that you have not researched it enough. Try doing that while you are in the penalty box, please.
Quote from: Gizmotron on October 18, 2009, 07:05:48 PM
I've got news for you James. I'm not Spike. I doubt that Spike will ever apologize to you. He didn't kiss your butt anywhere did he? My apologizing to you was as much the truth as I have been able to gather from your future math concepts and your explanations of your betting systems. BTW, you think that there are more chops than streaks and that skipping a bet or two and betting on OLD or FLD is a winning system. It's mechanical and will always follow the long term laws of probability. It will not beat the math as you suggest. You just have a very strong belief that you have not fully researched yet. You will learn that it will correct itself and break down your bankroll eventually. The problem is that you have not researched it enough. Try doing that while you are in the penalty box, please.
Isnt that the idea of the forum if someone claims something work it not for us to believe but do as much testing and research as possible on it and leave personalities aside
What ever you think of the person and if you say nothing works mathematically why are you here we all looking and show us results of failure not say something doesnt work because you say it does
Lots say you cant beat this game ask Lanky how he wins i seen him but some will say playing his way cant overcome house edge as well but hey he been doing it for years and he has his shirt still to prove my point >:D
N9, I had a good answer but I forgot what it was. I think it had something to do with having the guts to look at the results and not to take it personally. James has never been able to take constructive criticism or evidence that his opinion was in error. But that is a known thing here. I just wanted to point out why it fails. People really want to discuss this. Only it has always been hijacked by it's own creator whenever that happens. While James is resting this one out we could compare notes without his interruptions. It's a great opportunity.
A devilish proclamation :diablo:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
James
Yes I do have a lot to learn. But I can tell you this. There is no magic to your " Holy Grail"
Let me prove it.
You hop and skip between the numbers. Not playing every number.
Claiming that every thing must go back to what it was. back and forth.
Need to stop on -8 or +4 or were one like to stop.
Must look at what was before you start to play.
Look at the dimensions and see if they are changing.
Now my friend- let make it simple. What is the dimensions, Black/Red and Odd/ Even and High/LOW and mine the Left and right of the wheel. Plus any other 18 numbers against the other 18 numbers.
To write R for repeat of what the last is to the one before that and C for change you will see that it reads quicker. See the attached file. Spins from live table, To wait for 3 repeats on a " dimension" play that this will change.
So 3 R's RRR play that its going to change the last. 3 C's CCC play that is going to repeat the last.
On the file you will see that it happens that all of the groups change. Where all of them are the same R is when it repeat a number or a number in that group. It will never go to C's on all of the groups it can only repeat. Cause to change from 10 - Black Even Low and Right it must be Red Odd High Left. That number is not on the Left side.
To stop at -8 or +4 Is the same like playing with 8 units/chips on any EC's Play 4 at a time if you win you'v got 4 prof / up stop play later or on another table. Lost 4 try again and stop if lose. that will be -8.
Will not lose more than 7 out of 10 times.
If you play the EC's that its going to change or repeat make a group of the EC'c Black Low and Even. Win 2 out of these 3 you 1 unit up.
Numbers can only change 3 EC's at ones. and there are only 4 and 5 numbers to this change to each number. If you like play that the full dimension to the last is going to change. Black - Even - High for number 9 is the numbers 20.22.24.26.28 and they are on the same side of the wheel. next to 9?
If you write the numbers down like on the file you will see that there is more changes then repeats to the total of the groups. Random cause that this happens - not staying on one group and even if it stays the rest changes.
I don't trust your system - it's not what you think it is. Well sorry you told us that you have 20 other methods better than this one. Which one is the Holy Grail then.
TCD