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In gods name why on earth would someone pay for a system???????
Logic Lesson 1:
A The system works for 100% or B The system works for 99%
If A then the system seller doesnt need the money. Conclusion only option left is B
if it was a flat bet that worked 99% of the time i would buy it in a second if its a progression that works 99% of the time you can stick it up your clacker
hi lads,
the purchase of information leads to the buyer being educated in information that he/she doesn't have.
now if you have a concept that represents a real advantage to the end user, are you saying that it has no intrinsic value?
if yes then why do architects, accountants, mechanics and lawn mowing specialists charge for their services, we can all do what they do but can we do it at their level. nothing in the gambling world is 100% that s why we all exist, to try and find ways that allow us to come out in front some of the time because losing everytime is not on my agenda.
Quote from: therouletteprofessor on March 23, 2010, 08:16:17 PM
to try and find ways that allow us to come out in front some of the time
Just some of the time?
Quote from: therouletteprofessor on March 23, 2010, 08:16:17 PM
the purchase of information leads to the buyer being educated in information that he/she doesn't have.
Well thats excactly a systems seller credo, isnt it? I have something you "dont" have. What it excactly is, I wont tell you, you just have to buy it first.....
I have zero respect for system sellers. system sellers = fraud.
Quote from: Jish on March 23, 2010, 11:35:17 AM
if it was a flat bet that worked 99% of the time I would buy it in a second
99% isnt the same as winning 99 times out of a 100 Jish!
If its a flat bet, why not? 100 bets you win 99 hence 99% strike rate
No, it means your "system" is open for 1% error on losing your bankroll! And that 1% is there for every "session"
There is no escape from the logic. Why does this section even exist? IMO it's because the owner of this forum is a system seller, and it's an attempt to avoid charges of hypocrisy ("no system sellers allowed, only ME").
Quotethe purchase of information leads to the buyer being educated in information that he/she doesn't have.
now if you have a concept that represents a real advantage to the end user, are you saying that it has no intrinsic value?
if yes then why do architects, accountants, mechanics and lawn mowing specialists charge for their services,
Architects and accountants don't sell concepts, they sell actual services, and you know beforehand what you're paying for. You're not selling a service, but a dream.
Again, you've avoided answering the question: why do you want to sell the goose which lays the golden egg?
Quote from: Bayes on March 24, 2010, 05:06:56 AM
There is no escape from the logic. Why does this section even exist? IMO it's because the owner of this forum is a system seller, and it's an attempt to avoid charges of hypocrisy ("no system sellers allowed, only ME").
Architects and accountants don't sell concepts, they sell actual services, and you know beforehand what you're paying for. You're not selling a service, but a dream.
Again, you've avoided answering the question: why do you want to sell the goose which lays the golden egg?
Hear, Hear!
Quote from: Ka2 on March 24, 2010, 10:21:36 AM
Hear, Hear!
ditto! And ka2 i think we are both saying the same thing in a different way
QuoteWhy does this section even exist? IMO it's because the owner of this forum is a system seller, and it's an attempt to avoid charges of hypocrisy ("no system sellers allowed, only ME").
Actually the section exists because occasionally, rarely, a system for sale has merit. And I want the forum to be "complete". Plus having this section reduces spam in the main sections. Not everything has dark intentions..
first up, this is the only place in the forum where SELLERS are allowed to spruke, right. so yes lets dispel that myth, yes i have something to sell. Next there are only 2 guarantees in life death and taxes nothing else exists at 100%. pro and even semi pro gamblers understand 1 basic fundamental that when you begin on the gambling road you have to accept that you have already lost. now turning loss minimisation into profit taking is not a talent it is a skill that is learnt, so if you go to a gambling house with the attitude that 'I'm always going to win' you are delusional. i can accept the ribbing for trying to sell a method, however the pill i find hard to swallow is the fact that you haven't got all the info re my method, yet you seem to have formed a very defined opinion. interesting?? if you come to me with something that you say is better and simpler to use by all means sell it to me i will try it, because as a gambler i am not afraid to spend $99, i can get that back in just six spins with my method using only $5. 00 chips, my coffee bill per month is more than that. people who take the time to inform themselves have a better chance of taking a profit than those that don't. in what i offer there is no doubling in any shape or form whatsoever.
we wish all roulette players good fortune
It would help to explain to people why your method is able to achieve long term consistent winnings, assuming it does.
Quote from: Jish on March 24, 2010, 11:27:52 AM
ditto! And ka2 I think we are both saying the same thing in a different way
I hope not. ;)
QuoteI can accept the ribbing for trying to sell a method, however the pill I find hard to swallow is the fact that you haven't got all the info re my method, yet you seem to have formed a very defined opinion.
We don't have
any info on your method, that's why it's hard to believe. Of course it's not necessary that it wins every time, but to be a long-term winner it has to make a profit more often than it makes a loss, obviously. If you had some hard facts and figures regarding the win-rate, expected average return, average loss in a losing session, bankroll required etc then that would be a start.
QuoteI am not afraid to spend $99, I can get that back in just six spins with my method using only $5. 00 chips,
Amazing. So why are you selling it??? It's a simple question, no ribbing involved.
Quote from: SteveActually the section exists because occasionally, rarely, a system for sale has merit.
Really? I'd like to hear of even ONE system that's ever been sold which makes a consistent profit. I'm not talking about physical methods, but methods based on stats or mathematics, progressions, money-management etc.
Selling systems is money for old rope. It's a simple scam, and you've nothing to lose by doing it. The fact that nothing can be guaranteed is the get-out clause. Even if you do offer (and honour) a money-back guarantee, most people who have bought the system won't bother to ask for their money back when the system fails, so it's a no-lose situation for the seller. All sellers are parasites who prey on ignorance and gullibility.
ok, winning is not the problem. when we are on this side of the fence, the method has 2 bets, thats it every time the same result. we have sets as our counters and the best set is 2 spins. with our minimum chip float of 100 we can get a return of 30% at 5 sets. losing becomes the issue as it eats into our profits. now probability is defined as the predicting of mathematical outcomes, and we know that in roulette every spin is independent, so therefore it just becomes a guessing game. we are not using probability. however the law of averages states that in any given time span the quantity of even money bets 50/50 s occuring should be relatively equal. now we all know that our little green friend tends to come around every so often, so would it be fair to say that in every 100 spins of the wheel, you would have more chance of losing than winning, 53/47, 55/45, 58/42. breaking down to 20 spins would it be fair to say that the losing/winning ratio would be 11/9, 12/8 13/7 its not often you would see 15/5 or 16/4 not to say that it cannot happen. So losing 2 , 3 or 4 spins on low betting is recoverable in almost all methods, however when you get to the 7, 8 & 9 loses you tend to hit a brickwall with your bankroll. so what we have done is created a method that has 2 checkpoints at 5 and 10 loses. with 5 loses, 4 wins back to the same profit as when you where winning,not just break even, 6 & 7 losses 5 wins needed, 8 & 9 loses, 6 wins, 10 & 11, 7 wins. we have calculated that with a float of 100 chips -denomination is your choice,- you can take a hit at 12 straight losses before that float disappears. should you however win in between then the numbers change in your favour. so what we have is a betting method that requires less winning spins when you are losing to make a profit, without outlaying huge betting numbers. . now the 2 checkpoints are there as a contingency so if you get to that 2nd level of loss it means that the losing/winning ratio is at or above the 16/4. no one can survive that. the flip side of course is if you were betting the other way at 16/4 it means you would have closed 7 of our sets with a 42% return to float and you would go home.
so all sellers are the same?
did it ever occur to you that maybe some people sincerely believe that what they have can be genuine? or is everybody tarred by the same brush in your book.
hey condemn me without the knowledge no prob, you are entitled to your opinion, if you can offer me a better alternative show me. please
hey professor I guess one of the questions here is does it work for online casinos too? RNG etc
Quotedid it ever occur to you that maybe some people sincerely believe that what they have can be genuine?
I concede that not all sellers are deliberately trying to defraud, just most of them. In the cases where they aren't, however, they are just as ignorant as their potential customers. If you are so confident of your system, why don't you submit it to Steve's $100,000 challenge?
I am pretty sure you haven't written a computer simulation of the system, so you don't know how it will perform long-term. If you do, you will find that the number of losing sessions outnumbers the winning sessions. Not being negative, just stating a fact.
How long have you been using your system (how many spins approximately)?
@ Steve,
How can you say that some systems for sale "have merit". What exactly do you mean by this? if you know this for a fact then why are you still offering the challenge? Do you mean that a system may have
some merit, just not enough to win long-term? if that's the case it's hardly a ringing endorsement is it? ALL systems will win some of the time, but not often enough to make steady profit.
Surely it's obvious that a system can only have "merit" if it's a
consistent winner, which is mathematically impossible.
I've never seen a system seller offer comprehensive proof (or any verifiable proof) that they have the real deal. At the end of the day, most of them are as ignorant as the next average roulette player, in fact you could say the majority of them are mentally deficient. I'd buy nothing from a person who is obviously less intelligent than myself. Most systems for sale are not unique. They are all recycled bilge. This person here claims to be selling "information"...I doubt there's anything he can tell anyone on any subject that isn't already in the public domain and has been exercised a million times before.
sorry superman i personally would not gamble online because as i see it, online gaming is just the same as going to play poker/slot machines and i wont do that either. the house edge is enough competition.
Quote from: Bayes on March 25, 2010, 09:14:01 AM
How can you say that some systems for sale "have merit". What exactly do you mean by this? if you know this for a fact then why are you still offering the challenge? Do you mean that a system may have some merit, just not enough to win long-term? if that's the case it's hardly a ringing endorsement is it? ALL systems will win some of the time, but not often enough to make steady profit.
Surely it's obvious that a system can only have "merit" if it's a consistent winner, which is mathematically impossible.
1. The only methods that actually do work are "advantage play". That is why they are called "advantage play" - because they work. It's why many casinos apply countermeasures. You dont see them caring about outside bets - only physics based methods, albeit casinos arent exactly up-to-speed which is a good thing. They include but are certainly not limited to things like bias analysis. Biased wheels are far more common than you think, but not if all you do is just see what number span most - proper bias analysis is far more involved than that. I am NOT the only person that teaches these methods. Another one is Laurence Scott. Jafco also does. They are legitimate - they teach advantage play, same as me. Although with due respect to such competitors, what I teach is considerably more advanced. When there's a seller that says you can make a fortune with red/black or dozen bets, it's just not possible as per nolinks.genuinewinner.com/truth.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/truth.html)
Some have said I have a strong bias towards advantage play and "scoff" at RNG methods. In truth I would love to beat RNG, and still once in a while try new principles to beat it. Such methods focus on increasing accuracy of predictions, because once you understand what roulette is, you know it's the only way to beat it. You just cant beat it with things like progression - all progression does is change the rate at which you lose. Sure with positive progression, you can get lucky when you are betting high, but there is NOTHING that determines whether you win when betting low or high. It is not genuine prediction - most "systems" are just fancy ways of doing the same thing.
2. The challenge I offer is for beating RNG, not real wheels. I already know very well real wheels are beatable. RNG is nothing more than a slot machine with roulette animations - it's not roulette.
When you said some systems have merit I assumed you were talking about non-physics based methods, my mistake.
QuoteI personally would not gamble online because as I see it, online gaming is just the same as going to play poker/slot machines and I wont do that either. the house edge is enough competition.
Since your system is based on averages there's no reason why it shouldn't work on an RNG (assuming it's not rigged).
This applies to any system which isn't based on the physics of the wheel/dealer combination.
hi steve,
someone made a mention of a challenge that you have, could you please send me what you need, how , what etc etc .
thanx
Quote from: therouletteprofessor on March 27, 2010, 05:25:44 AM
hi Steve,
someone made a mention of a challenge that you have, could you please send me what you need, how , what etc etc .
thanx
Look here...
nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/100k.html (nolinks://nolinks.genuinewinner.com/100k.html)
good luck!
hi bayes
the only issue i have with online is that there is a possibility that the house can have methods that monitor your every move. they will give you a taste but i believe that your losing ratio per visit will be higher than land based.
you cannot beat a computer.
Quoteyou cannot beat a computer.
You can't beat a rigged game, that's for sure. There are certainly rogue online casinos, but in those cases the issues are more to do with withdrawing winnings than fixing the outcomes to make sure you lose. The logistics of actually doing this when you have multiple players is something which is overlooked by those who put forward this theory. If you stick to recommended onlines (by casinomeister. com) the chances of being ripped off are slim to zero. People too often use this as an excuse for their own ignorance and lack of discipline.
As a programmer I used to create my "systems" in RX and watch them flop, RX isn't rigged, now I mostly create the systems in a bot and let it flop in real time by running it against RNG at a casino in REAL money mode, just not placing any bets, the point I am putting across is, the same systems fail in RX at the same rate they do at an online casino.
I also output my data (spins, bet placement, progression (if any) and result) the results are the same, so as far as I can see online RNG is no different to RX RNG therefore the casinos I use probably are not rigged it's just Random catching us out.
thanks b, i ll pick one and do a test.
ok, who are the boys?
Not sure who the "boys" are, but I would recommend Lohnro. He is a long-time member and used to be a moderator. IMO he's completely trustworthy (and he's a fellow Aussie, if that makes any difference).
I would offer myself but I've only just joined the forum (although I've been reading it for a long time). However, I'm a programmer so I could write code to test your system.
Quote from: Bayes on March 28, 2010, 07:00:52 AM
(and he's a fellow Aussie, if that makes any difference).
haha ofcourse it does :sarcastic:
ok, so how do i get in touch with "lohnro" and to bayes what city are you in?
I don't live in Australia, but the UK. Lohnro might reply to you in this thread, or you could send him a PM.
I am still around "therouletteprofessor", what did you have in mind??
hi, i am looking for a way to have a chat with you directly, cant seem to find the pm tab. or do you have access to my email address being a moderator?
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fvlsroulette.com%2FThemes%2FAnecdota117%2Fimages%2Fim_on.gif&hash=06d89b8e151471e2a46980b6860b2b964b246d88) PM/IM icon looks like this
Prof is the system programable? I mean is it a set trigger then do something?
hi superman,
thanks for that if it had legs would have a kicked me in the head,
no there is no trigger or waiting for seqeunces nonsense, start betting method stop when you like start when you like. whether or not its programmable ?????????????? mate when i left school calculators were being introduced. i ll ask the guys who set up my website
Quotewhether or not its programmable ??
prof,
"programmable" basically means - does it have clearly defined rules? It means that given a sequence of spins, if there was more than one person using the system on that sequence, then each of them would end up with exactly the same results. This means there is no subjectivity or ambiguity in the rules, so you're not expected to "guess" at any point in your play what the next decision will be.
In order to program (simulate) a system, you have to know exactly what the system requires you to do at all times.
yes then it is programable. however the method is that easy to use that a computer sim seems hardly worth the effort. everybody has access to a pen and paper, even in the casino, yes i am old. cheers
the offer was made I believe but nothing has been done yet, can we move forward proffesor?
relax everyone lohnro has all the details,
he is in the process of testing and will post what he thinks. of course its quiet we are all gambling, isnt that why we are here.
I'd forgotten about this one. Where is Lohnro?
Missing, presumed rich? ;D
Sorry for the hold up...............won't be long now.
later
how late is later
Hi all,
Sorry I have taken so long to reply.
I have therouletteprofessor's betting system. To start with, I have spoken to him quite a few times, and he is a very genuine bloke who is always willing to help, and he is very confident with his method. His system is not a bet selection system as such; it is purely a money management method. With the eagerness of members on this site, I thought I should post something.
Because of personal reasons, I have not had the time to run extensive tests yet. I would appreciate some more time to test more and post session results.
Thanks,
Quote from: Lohnro on April 23, 2010, 12:49:06 AM
...Because of personal reasons, I have not had the time to run extensive tests yet...
So are you saying that your golf handicap is dropping rapidly or what? ;D
hahahha still gettin there mate!
What is the price of this method? Thanks.
Results after 102 sets:
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Max bet 36 units.
So whats a set? any descriptive text for it, not asking for the whole solution but you havent really told us a lot
How many spins in a set?
If you want this coded I can oblige - it might save you a lot of time and effort! (if it's ok with the "professor").
greetings to all the patient ones. and firstly thanks to lohnro
now that lohnro has finished most of his testing you will see that from 102 sets he took profit 94 times and a loss just 8 times. now if any of you out there have something that returns that sort of rate show it to me i want to learn about it.
i have never spruked that we have a magical winning formula, no one has, but what i personally believe is we have a fantastic defensive betting method that as you can see from one of your own provides profit taking with some loss. what we aim to do is teach loss minimisation.
you have too accept that when you gamble against the casino you have already lost, so with that concept in mind we have concluded the following. probability is a lost cause in roulette you can not determine a mathematical outcome, because each spin is random. i am sorry to those who think otherwise but that is a fact. it is just guessing. however the law of averages operates differently, it states that over any given time frame the amount of 50/50 betting is going to be relatively equal. now in roulette we have our little green friend that shows up occasionaly and throws the odds back to the house. we are not concerned with winning thats easy we are concerned about how much we are going to lose.
so without even thinking about it you would have to say that in every 100 spins you would have already lost 60 of them. 50/50 is no longer a reasonable ratio to consider. so if we can show you that with the ratio of losing/winning at 60/40 you can still take a profit without having to bet your house, would you be interested.?????????????????
now remember this is not about when we are winning it is about when we are losing
we have come up with a table of losing to winning ratios, it looks like this, if you lose
L 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 you will need with our way of betting this amount of winning
W 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 to still take a profit
anybody can recover from 2 or 3 losses but when you hit 6,7,8 losses its not so easy to get back.we have worked out a money management method that kicks in when you are taking the loss and helps minimise that loss and even can turn into profit taking. with less winning spins and no huge outlays.
i have just shown you why, now all you have to do is learn how. i am more than happy to answer any general questions, over an above that, just go to the website nolinks.therouletteprofessor.com.au/ (nolinks://nolinks.therouletteprofessor.com.au/) .
even though i got canned by some of you my offer for VLS members of 50% still stands. you will need to contact me with your paypal acc after you have joined and will refund the diff, as my webhost has advised its too hard to change.
if 10,000 people go to the casino in 1 week and take $100 profit instead of losing $100 the house will have lost 2 million dollars to their normal takings. i want the house to part with some of their money, dont you want the same.
i wish good fortune to all gamblers.