Gang....
There was a time when my rhuematoid arthris was so bad I would ask strangers to open a Coke for me as I could not screw off the lid. I found two things: Dr. Gismondi's rub and Enbrel. Enbrel is an injectiion I give myself once a week. The rub relieves arthritis pain like nothing I've ever tried. My athsma was so bad I spent six hours at a time in an attack and once had to go to the hospital. Advair has virtually cured my athsma. Protonix has cured my GURD.
Look at the commercials for drugs! Now let me say this: When you truly suffer and don't know what to do and someone comes along and tells you of these things, you are damn grateful! I no longer hurt, wheeze or have raging heartburn. I do have tinnitus in my ears; have not had a quiet waking moment since I was 19. If there is a cure, I want to know about it. If someone makes a dollar by telling me or selling to me, I'm damn glad to pay it.
So it is with this bot. If this thing continues to work, who cares if Matt makes a couple of skins off it if you make the lion's share? Honest to God, if you could set this thing and go on vacation and come back with a $2500 profit, would you gripe over giving him $250? What if you could earn $2500 per month but you had to pay him $250 every month?
I pay $375 per week for my Enbrel injections until my insurance takes over. I pay over $4,000 per year for those little pins and I'm damn glad to be able to do it.
Quit looking at the crust around the edges and begin looking at the pie in the middle.
Sam
Lol mate,
I know you were not joking but reading you made me laugh. Sorry Sam.
Then what about the cure for roulette pain? Winkel's in a pot? Victor's in pills? Or maybe Gamlet Fire method injections? If you know the answer open a gambler's falacy pharmacy beside a Casino. You'll dispense all this 24 hours non stopping. ;D
But then the pain would be the Casino maffia looking for breaking your legs ;D
Carlos.
Carlos
But you get my point. Sometimes in doing someone a good turn, you create a profit for others down the road.
I can recommend a wonderful restaurant, but don't go eat there or the owner will make a profit!
Wish I had the cure for the pain of loosing! (Other than the two obvious: Stop gambling or start winning.)
Sam
Right Sam. I understand your point very well. I say SELFISH when money is involved is very very common.
The cure for stop losing i think it is quite handy. You understand me. Victor's method on Lw's is a winner with a good money managment (Lanky's divisor maybe). I believe some people dont mind go on losing while having some fun and decide not start winning with a slow boring sistem.
Carlos.
Ahh, at last.
Someone else that we can blame if something goes wrong.
Great that you managed to set up an account.
Waiting to see your results.
Good hunting.
Well, something quite strange has happened when I hit about $26 in profit.
I will have to study it more before I say more.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 20, 2009, 04:44:55 PM
Well, something quite strange has happened when I hit about $26 in profit.
I will have to study it more before I say more.
Sam
I bet it went down.
Seems to over long play.
And I mean long play.
Like hours and hours.
I try to stick to making about 100 units.
Sometimes more.
Just depends on how long I leave it go for.
Well, are you gonna tell us?
Or keep us in suspense?
Guys
I started the test with 100 Euro. My first trot took me to 110 and my second took me to 120. On my third I put up the graph so I could watch it move. At about 124 Euro, the screen froze and it gave me a message of <not enough room for function> or some such wording. I immediately started the computer over and expienced the "sessiion from hell" as I went down from 124 and change to 67 and change, almost half my bankroll. I stopped the machine.
I let it cool a while and started it again. I then went up to 71.67 and stopped it for a while. I got an e-mail from Matt and he gave me some advice. I tried his advice and the results are good. I will post a screen shot soon in my next post.
Back to the session from hell. I sat for too many hours watching the bot work and watching the numbers Bet Voyager produced. Matt assures me I am wrong, but it seemed Bet Voyager's RNG was throwing me loosing numbers. But today I would have to say it is throwing me winning numbers. Part of the reason I love testing this software (other than the fact it takes a minute to set it up and then you go to dinner) is that I am also testing the RNG to see if it truly beats you. Matt and T.G. are making money and I was....so maybe I'm wrong.
Matt is an excellent teacher and coach. I feel the man is totally honest.
Sam
Hmm, reading that. I looks like you had a bad day.
Not to sure about the graph bug.
Maybe Matt can send it of to Tiago.
The new version came out.
And runs much faster.
Some small bugs I have to report to Matt.
But otherwise.
I works better.
As for a drop from hell.
Whenever I think I am having one of those drops
that don't seem to have any light at the end of the tunnel.
I have rang Matt.
Constantly he tells me.
To get out of the house.
Go do something else.
DON'T PANIC...
And when I do.
I come back and it has it self in the green.
Even after long low dips.
That look impossible to get out of.
He says.
Just relax.
Take a deep breath.
And stop looking at the dam thing...
So I do.
I listen to the man.
Set my targets.
And set my settings.
And leave the house.
Go enjoy life.
Seems to be working.
OK, I think this is my first post in real money. I think the graph is self-explanatory and I have a leak in a roof, so I'll leave it with you.
Well, I somehow lost the whole screen shot. >:(
Here's the dope: In 2554 or so spins, I went up $30 using .03 bets.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 21, 2009, 11:50:42 AM
OK, I think this is my first post in real money. I think the graph is self-explanatory and I have a leak in a roof, so I'll leave it with you.
Well, I somehow lost the whole screen shot. >:(
Here's the dope: In 2554 or so spins, I went up $30 using .03 bets.
Sam
$30??
With just $0.03c bets?
Thats like, 3000 units.
Bugger, no screen shot..
Dam.
Was looking forward to seeing one from you.
Hey TwoCat.
I just posted this picture over at the topic on Super Roulette.
Matt suggested to me.
When increasing bet units.
To just stick to one section.
So I like even bets and even numbers.
Seems to work best for me.
$5 in a short time.
Took a lot less time to get there.
That is 100 units.
Reached my goal of $120
Now lets see how far this can go.
Careful of the spiders kiss of course.
Now that I understand what that means.
"The Kiss of Death."
Play safe.
Good luck.
And good hunting.
Guys,
You still need to find a way to get the edge. Currently, you just have found a real efficient way to lose by using the "bots".
Herb,
I've got a big edge ;)
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/advanced-roulette-'a-constructive-debate'/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/general-board/advanced-roulette-'a-constructive-debate'/)
Mr Chips
What do you estimate your edge to be?
Thom
You'll just have to visualize the graph. It just went up at about a 45 degree angle. I had the screen shot, named it, saved it and it disappeared. I must have hit the wrong key somewhere.
I have downloaded the new version and it is a fast mother goose!
So if we subscribe to Herb's conclusions we can now loose money faster than ever!
I'm about to finish a session now. It was going so bad I went to Home Depot for roofing material. Looked a lot better when I got home. I will get the graph on this one.
Sam
Sam, you say you had a bad day...
I got the new version.
Started using it.
Works even better and faster.
And yes a faster way to loose money.
But I am still in profit.
Not by much.
Man, I am so crazy...
Push it to hard.
And it will break.
It nearly did for me.
Building it up again.
Should take even less time than before.
Now that I have fully tested my own limits.
And what works best.
I will stick to those settings.
Well, this sessions lasted 2,547 spins and about six hours. Bet Voyager locked up twice and I had to re-start it. I was able to keep the bot running and resume where I left off. This session went down to around $10.00. I had about five bets to bankruptcy and I thought it was going to happen. It did not, but that is too close for comfort for me.
Here's the deal: I was within pennies of my $5 goal and it went South for hours and thousands of spins. I got the graph on this one. It's as ugly as my cat's littler box.
Sam
P.S. If you right click the mouse and click on view image, it will fit the screen
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Hi Sam,
Although this was a test and probably had to be done, you seemed to be dangerously open at one point to the idea that bots like these may work. I hope this graphic illustration of failure (which WON'T be a one off) will make people think twice before entrusting real cash-money to a bot. I mean, look at it. 5 bets to bankruptcy? It's a totally ridiculous way to play. The worst with a bot can and will happen. It's only a matter of time before it wipes you out. Then you'll re-deposit and it'll wipe you again...and again...and again.
::)
Number Six,
In the long run, what makes you think your system is going to perform any better?
-Herb
Quote from: Number Six on April 21, 2009, 10:21:12 PM
Hi Sam,
Although this was a test and probably had to be done, you seemed to be dangerously open at one point to the idea that bots like these may work. I hope this graphic illustration of failure (which WON'T be a one off) will make people think twice before entrusting real cash-money to a bot. I mean, look at it. 5 bets to bankruptcy? It's a totally ridiculous way to play. The worst with a bot can and will happen. It's only a matter of time before it wipes you out. Then you'll re-deposit and it'll wipe you again...and again...and again.
::)
N6 your BOT bashing is peculiar since you posted this in the Neural Networks thread.
Quote from: Number Six on April 14, 2009, 11:57:12 AM
As far as roulette software robots go, this is where the future is.
Matt
Even when you have the edge, you're going to experience normal random draw downs that are much larger than the one shown above.
Gentlemen
I appreciate everyone's thoughtfulness. My wife and I tip more to servers in a month than I loose on roulette--far more! We eat out virtually every meal. My wife spends far, far more on hair, wigs and nails than I will ever loose on roulette. I have known men with $30,000 bass boats pulled by $30,000 pickups with $500 fishing rods in the cubby. All for a piece of fish I can buy for $12.00 and get a salad to boot. Oh, not really! It's for the fun of fishing!
This is fun for me. If it costs me a hundred eruo, so be it.
Part of the fun for me is seeing how far I can go before hitting the wall.
And, yes, I feel bots are the future. They will be built to mimic humans in that they will stop and eat and go pee. The will bet erratically and will be used at any casino, even on real-wheel games.
The worst thing about this bot: The wife runs in every ten minutes and asks, "Are we there yet? Are we there yet?"
Sam
Guys
A 5,000+ spin test........
I did something I should not have done. I was up a little and decided to go from .01 to .02 bets in mid-stream. Bad idea. I don't know what happened, but the graph says it all.
I did finish the trot up about $16 which is pretty good, I think.
Sam
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Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 22, 2009, 05:41:37 PM
Guys
A 5,000+ spin test........
I did finish the trot up about $16 which is pretty good, I think.
Great going Sam. Drawdowns will be followed by strong rebounds. What is your goal? Are you going to stick to using the current system?
Matt
@Herb,
Although I respect your reputation as a top advantage player, there is little point communicating with you. I have my ways, which are working perfectly well, and you have yours. I'm not a pro player and don't want to be. I make a tidy second income from the game and have done for years.
@Matt,
That quote means nothing when taken out of context. It refers to a live wheel bot with a neural network aimed to exploit the so-called "dealer signature", a widely accepted form of advantage play that can give the player an edge. My post in that thread has no reference whatsoever to bots for RNGs or mechanical systems for live wheels. And also, I conceded an opinion that if bots are to have a future in online gambling, they would need neural networks. But that doesn't mean I'm an advocate of them or would use one. You don't appear to be a stupid person so I'm guessing you haven't misunderstood my post, but have rather intentionally dug it up and quoted a section of it here to discredit me and put contradictions into my arguments. You are stooping to desperate lows, as all system sellers do when they know they're pushing dodgy products.
Matt
I sent you an e-mail. I won't discuss it here.
Number Six
Listen, Bro, I don't want to scrap with you but why are you so down on this bloke? You just said to Herb something like ...you play your way and I'll play mine...didn't you?
So far, through about 20,000 spins, this bot has done exactly what the man said it would. I full well know it could fail tomorrow. I can assure you and everyone else--although I would hate to do it---I will report failure if it occurs. I told Matt this at the outset.
I am always pulling for the thing to win, no matter what it is. I do my best to win while giving it every opportunity to fail. This is a totally mechanical test and it's driving me nuts. I love hands-on betting, not watching some bot do it for me.
But if it wins, well, I could get used to watching a movie and leaving it be.
Sam
Quote from: Number Six on April 22, 2009, 09:02:29 PM
That quote means nothing when taken out of context. It refers to a live wheel bot with a neural network aimed to exploit the so-called "dealer signature", a widely accepted form of advantage play that can give the player an edge. My post in that thread has no reference whatsoever to bots for RNGs or mechanical systems for live wheels. And also, I conceded an opinion that if bots are to have a future in online gambling, they would need neural networks. But that doesn't mean I'm an advocate of them or would use one. You don't appear to be a stupid person so I'm guessing you haven't misunderstood my post, but have rather intentionally dug it up and quoted a section of it here to discredit me and put contradictions into my arguments. You are stooping to desperate lows, as all system sellers do when they know they're pushing dodgy products.
N6 accusing me of stooping is harsh. I am not trying to discredit you, I didn't 'dig' this up but read it on another part of the forum and thought it was contradictory to the thoughts you expressed in this thread.
Why are you are allowed to boldly claim it doesn't work without understanding the thought that has gone into its inception, but I am not allowed to defend (not peddle) something that I know works and is working for me...like you I am making a tidy secondary income.
Quoting you was adding weight to the argument that BOTs do have a place as an investment tool.
We are currently adding support for live dealer casinos. The BOT will be able to track spins and then identify trends that are occuring, due to either the dealer or the physics of the wheel. It will then be able to decide where the betting opportunites lie at that moment and take advantage of them as they occur.
I am pleased with how Super Roulette works now, however I am always looking to improve it and ensure it evolves.
Matt
Arguing this out is a waste of time for both of us.
I'm simply not interested enough to carry on anyway.
Quote from: Number Six on April 22, 2009, 10:10:47 PM
Arguing this out is a waste of time for both of us.
I'm simply not interested enough to carry on anyway.
No problems N6, however I have enjoyed the discussion and debate.
Cheers
Matt
This is my last argument also. I will just post the results.
Anyone remember Pong? I do from the early seventies. It was a black and white video game which simulated ping pong. Very primitive by today's standards. Like a stone-age knife is to a laser.
The bot I'm testing now is akin to Pong. Very primitive. What will follow will make it look like the stone knife.
My only fear is that if enough people use the technology, it will destroy on-line roulette.
Sam
Rats.......
I got up to $175 and then went down. I was going to let it go back up, but I hit the wrong key and killed the trot at 6,000+ spins. (Never use two computers while sleepy.)
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To me it looks kind of strange how the pattern of the graph seems to change drastically after about 5.200 spins, not only does it go down, but the "swings" seem to get wider aswell.
Wonder why? Maybe the casinos really do have control over the RNG?
BR
Kingpin
But your still in profit Sam...
And that is the main thing.
Just read the Super Forum.
And a new and even better version will be out soon.
Tiago has again...
Out done himself.
Kingpin
Good point!
T.G.
Yes, I have the e-mail. No time to do it today as I have a leaky roof and have to plan for a month's vacation in the West.
Sam
To anyone left alive.........
Here's the chart for today. I hear the new version has a "trailing" cut-off where you can set it for $x below your high. Had I had this yesterday and today, things would have gone better. Kingpin is right. It does seem to go up and then start spiraling downward. The new feature will nip that in the bud.
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Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 23, 2009, 07:07:33 PM
I hear the new version has a "trailing" cut-off where you can set it for $x below your high.
Nice work Sam. Will you keep your bets at .03c indefinitely or look to increase as your balance increases?
Yes the new version will have a trailing stop loss as well as incorporating more options for making the even-chance system (one you are playing) more robust.
You will also be able to capture, save and import spin samples so you can test different configuration options with the
same spin set rather than using the BOT's internal RNG which of course is not the same as the casino's.
Cheers
Matt
Matt
I think I will keep at .03 until I reach $200 bank. Then I'll go to .05. Greed has been my undoing on some many systems and I don't want to fall into that trap here.
I spread roofing asphalt today and I'm a tired, old geezer but I'll bounce back and download the new software and give it a whirl.
Matt, I'm a total believer in the old saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it!" As long as the method I'm using now keeps on winning (and why shouldn't it?), I think I will stick with it for real money. That doesn't mean I won't play with the new features.
I'm off to dinner!
Sam
Here's a little goal accomplished:
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Well done TwoCat.
Keep on going.
Look out for the big drop.
They do come.
But it bounces back.
Congratz Sam.
I'll buy the product when there'll be a twocat stamp on it ;) ;) ;)
Thanks, but--as usual--I have done nothing! I just plugged in the parameters I was told to and went to eat Mexican food.
This thing really works better if you don't watch it!! I think I actually make it nervous!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 24, 2009, 10:50:20 AM
Here's a little goal accomplished:
Doubled your initial investment Sam, great going. What are the plans now? Nudge the unit size up a little?
Matt
Today I nudged it up to .04 bets. Working my way up the the .10 level!
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Really impressive ! :thumbsup:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 24, 2009, 07:53:22 PM
Today I nudged it up to .04 bets. Working my way up the the .10 level!
Sam, how long is it taking you with the faster BOT to churn through those 2000 spins? It is running like lightning on my PC now ;)
Matt
Matt
Today's session took about five hours. Yes, it is incredibly fast.
Thanks, Kevin. I take that as a compliment to Tiago2 and Matt. I just try to stay of the robots way!
Sam
:) Hi TCS,
I like bots for sure, but here, more than the bot, the results and the PROFIT are impressive.
The system itself looks to be at least a medium term winner, I hope it's a long term too :thumbsup:
Guys
I was cut off at $13 and change during the #9 trot. Number 10 went the full distance. Tiago2 has learned the bot is running faster than the casino can withstand and that is the cause for the .60 discrepancy.
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Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 25, 2009, 07:15:14 PM
Guys
I was cut off at $13 and change during the #9 trot. Number 10 went the full distance. Tiago2 has learned the bot is running faster than the casino can withstand and that is the cause for the .60 discrepancy.
Glad you let it run Sam, bounced back and then some as I would expect it to.
Matt
Holy smokes - that's about 4000 units in the plus now. Amazing for an RNG. Has it been tried outside of Betvoyager?
Thanks for the updates Sam :thumbsup:
Quote from: roules on April 25, 2009, 07:56:30 PM
Holy smokes - that's about 4000 units in the plus now. Amazing for an RNG. Has it been tried outside of Betvoyager?
Thanks for the updates Sam :thumbsup:
Hi Roules, the software is designed to work with the no-zero roulette game at BV, however we will be adding support for live dealer casinos in the near future.
Matt
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A much smoother session there Sam - nice work
Matt
Today was a mean and ugly session that lasted 12 hours and nearly 5,000 spins. I am going to drop back from .04 to .03 and from a target of $20.00 to $15.00. My nerves are shot tonight!
The bot is running too fast for Bet Voyager to keep up and thus the discrepancy in the totals. I will slow it down next session.
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Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 26, 2009, 11:00:13 PM
Today was a mean and ugly session that lasted 12 hours and nearly 5,000 spins. I am going to drop back from .04 to .03 and from a target of $20.00 to $15.00. My nerves are shot tonight!
That is a grind Sam, and that is why I don't watch!
You are using the new version, did you change-up any of the configuration settings or stick with the same ones?
Are you using Bet Reset?
Matt
Matt
I am using .04 bet, .40 reset and a profit cut-off of $20.00. I am using the new software, but I'm using it just the same.
Sam
To anyone left in the building........
I've dropped my bet from that mind-boggling four cents down to two cents and made one other change Matt suggested. As you can see it make a world of difference in the draw down. And I only went for a profit of $10 instead of $20. I also slowed the speed of the bot down to where Bet Voyager could keep up. That may have been a contributing problem, too.
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Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 27, 2009, 05:59:45 PM
To anyone left in the building........
I've dropped my bet from that mind-boggling four cents down to two cents and made one other change Matt suggested. As you can see it make a world of difference in the draw down. And I only went for a profit of $10 instead of $20. I also slowed the speed of the bot down to where Bet Voyager could keep up. That may have been a contributing problem, too.
Cracked the 300 Euro mark Sam - great going.
Matt
This is the kind of graph I'm looking for. The thing only went down 34 cents!
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it there any progression involved ??....that why you have to keep betting unit low ??
( i know this is in part for testing purpose )
what's the highest betting unit you can use ??
kompressor
Yes there is a progression and I keep the bet low to survive! You could bet dollars or five dollars if you wanted, but you better be wealthy to fund the account.
Matt calls it an investment tool and it is. Slow and steady.
Your bet size would be up to you, but you always have the table max to deal with.
Sam
what would be the highest betting unit according to the progression and table maximum ?? (for this casino of course)
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 28, 2009, 09:11:26 AM
This is the kind of graph I'm looking for. The thing only went down 34 cents!
Super session that one Sam!
Matt
Sam - just read this thread...
great posts. Hope it keeps winning for you :)
MM
Before you all get too excited:
betvoyager has a spread of .01$ to 1000$ on EvenChances.
Even a Martingale-Progression would survive with that for 20 losses.
Everyone knows the chance for that to happen. So we can watch this testing for some months and help selling the bot.
That the bot works (how can it bet faster than the Casino does?) is not the thing. It is the system that comes with it, which is winning.
so it is systems-selling in a new way.
Q: Why is the system or the combination of bets and the progression not open to everyone?
A: Nobody would buy the bot nor the system.
:-[
br
winkel
Quote from: Winkel on May 01, 2009, 11:45:48 PM
Before you all get too excited:
betvoyager has a spread of .01$ to 1000$ on EvenChances.
Even a Martingale-Progression would survive with that for 20 losses.
Everyone knows the chance for that to happen. So we can watch this testing for some months and help selling the bot.
That the bot works (how can it bet faster than the Casino does?) is not the thing. It is the system that comes with it, which is winning.
so it is systems-selling in a new way.
Q: Why is the system or the combination of bets and the progression not open to everyone?
A: Nobody would buy the bot nor the system.
:-[
br
winkel
Hi Winkel, thanks for your post.
I understand your skepticism however, one should not automatically assume that if something is being sold that it is no good. You are indeed correct it is not the BOT that is winning, it is the systems that the BOT is executing that are. The BOT simply automates the whole process which means you do not need to be in front of your PC for hours on end.
The systems are valuable with or without the BOT. They will work in any casino, however they work
better in Bet Voyager simply because there is no zero, why play a -2.7% game when you can play even odds? It has naught to do with a large bet spread they do not require this to be effective.
Regards
Matt
To anyone taking a break from the fights..........
About two weeks ago I did something stupid to the bot. It was running and I was afraid it was going to tank and I changed the settings during the trot. Well, this truly caused the demise of my E100 bankroll. I was a E330 when I started that trot. I lost it all.
Now, I've put in another E100 and have been using different settings on the bot. I am usually making about E5 in 500 to 600 spins. Some times it goes 3,000 spins, but not much more than that. I am betting pennies and may never change.
Frankly, the hardest thing to do with this software is leave it alone. The principles are sound, I am sure.
So where am I now? My second E100 is now E278, so I'm up all around. Not doing as well as Thomas Grant, have not multiplied my bank by 10, but I'm happy. I seem to have the ability to screw up a good thing when it gets to a certain point. Can't stand winning, I guess!
Sam
Keep it up Sam :)
:yahoo:
You lost it all Sam?
How did you manage that?
But your back up? Right?
Have you recovered what you lost as yet?
Im up to $370
Going for $400
Then $500
Fantastic considering I started with $30
T.G.
I lost it all by changing the settings midstream.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 08, 2009, 01:11:37 PM
To anyone taking a break from the fights..........
About two weeks ago I did something stupid to the bot. It was running and I was afraid it was going to tank and I changed the settings during the trot. Well, this truly caused the demise of my E100 bankroll. I was a E330 when I started that trot. I lost it all.
Frankly, the hardest thing to do with this software is leave it alone. The principles are sound, I am sure.
So where am I now? My second E100 is now E278, so I'm up all around. Not doing as well as Thomas Grant, have not multiplied my bank by 10, but I'm happy. I seem to have the ability to screw up a good thing when it gets to a certain point. Can't stand winning, I guess!
Sam
Thanks for the update Sam. Yes changing settings mid session invites failure as you switch from logic to luck.
Glad you have recovered, stick to what is working for you.
Matt
Thanks for the updates and tips Sam. The big question - will you leave it run while you go on holidays (however long that is)?
Cheers
Roules
Good question! We will tour California on a 30 day trip. Maybe more; maybe less. Most of the motels we have scheduled have WiFi or at least hard-wired internet in the rooms. On those occasions I will let the bot run at night. Some places will stay for at least four nights and take day trips. I will probably run the bot then.
I almost bought satellite internet so we could run the bot while running down the road. That just seems a bit much and I'd probably have a wreck watching the darn thing.
We have 110v in our van, so no problem with electricity.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 08, 2009, 08:21:04 PM
That just seems a bit much and I'd probably have a wreck watching the darn thing.
Sam
;D
QuoteI almost bought satellite internet so we could run the bot while running down the road. That just seems a bit much and I'd probably have a wreck watching the darn thing.
Maybe the wife could drive? Great way to take in the scenery too lol
It does seem a bit over the top but Matt reckons just leave the damn thing alone so you could just dump it in the back seat and check it nightly? (I probably shouldn't encourage this idea eh?) Doesn't get any easier than that though :)
Have a great road trip either way Sam.
roules
Thanks. We begin tomorrow morning at 8 a.m. Yeah, like we're going to get around that early!
Sam
Roules
Been thinking about my wife driving while the bot was playing...........
Listen, her driving has converted atheists! I'm afraid that bot's nerves just couldn't take it!
Sam
LOL @Sam :lol:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 10, 2009, 04:47:08 PM
Roules
Been thinking about my wife driving while the bot was playing...........
Listen, her driving has converted atheists! I'm afraid that bot's nerves just couldn't take it!
Sam
Hhahahahhah @ Sam......That was one Your best Mate.....Lmao
Lanky.
Guys
I got my 5 Euro in less than 500 spins. Those huge draw downs are not nearly as scary as they may seem. I am betting a setting that only looses once about every 5,000 spins. On my last trot, it lost right out of the gate and took about 3,000 spins to recover. But it did recover and made my 5 Euro profit.
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Hey TwoCatSam,
When did they get Euro's in Oklahoma???
U won 5 € but the graph is in $, that doesn't make sense???
Would u like to elaborate that?
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 10, 2009, 06:10:22 PM
Guys
I gotta admit. How do you get Euro's to dollars. That's a cool trick.
I don't think that can be done. Do you?
I don't think casinos convert euros to dollars on screen, do they?
I got my 5 Euro in less than 500 spins. Those huge draw downs are not nearly as scary as they may seem. I am betting a setting that only loses once about every 5,000 spins. On my last trot, it lost right out of the gate and took about 3,000 spins to recover. But it did recover and made my 5 Euro profit.
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Hey sam,what part of okie do you live?
I 've been in Oklahoma 7 years.
Stay lucky
Hi People.
Well I will Bet My Administration Position that Sam has a logical reason for what happened.
If Not I will Resign as an Administrator.....That's how much I trust Sam.
Lanky.
Lanky
You're safe, My Aussie Pal!
Bet Voyager only deals in Euros. The software calls them dollars. That screen shot is of the bot graph only; has noting to do with Bet Voyager. The bot is running right now and when it finishes I will screen shot both the graph and the Bet Voyager window.
You guys must understand: I do not own this account. There are people on this forum I trust enough to send money so they can open me an account. This account is a three-way partnership. If the partners want to come forward, they can. I would never name them.
And, no, they don't use Euros in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma.
You guys have been reading too much Dyksexlic!!
Sam
So what am I gonna do with all those euros in my piggy bank?
Well, there goes my trip to Oklahoma. ;D
That's ok, I don't play online. Don't trust 'em anyway.
Thanx 2c
-church out
Gentlemen
Here is the screen shot of my latest trot. You will notice it took 606 spins to earn my 5 Euro. Actually you may notice I earned 5.01 Euro and that is because the bet sometimes wins a little more than the 5 Euro I designated as a profit cut-off.
You may also notice that there is a discrepancy between what the bot says I have and what Bet Voyager says I have. Bet Voyager is always right. The discrepancy amounts to .01. This is because the bot places bets faster than the casino can record them as a bet and sometimes things get off by a few cents.
You will also notice, as I said, Bet Voyager records the wins in Euros; the bot in dollars.
Thank you, Lanky, for your support.
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Well done Sam.
$330
Looks like you have recovered your losses.
QuoteThank you, Lanky, for your support.
Sam
Yes well Maybe My Nuts will come back down from Hiding now Cobber...
Good OnYa Mate.
Lanky.
Well, if ever there was a trot where I wish I had bet a full Euro instead of a penny............
This thing dipped sixteen cents below the starting point. Would have been sixteen Euro and would have won 500 Euro. I won my 5 Euro in about 360 some-odd spins. The dip between 200 and 220 is not nearly as severe as it seems.
Lanky knows this about me: I may screw up; I may say something stupid, but I tell the truth. He knows how many times I've said I lost me arse! Even on this thread I've said it. When I was appointed Co-Administrator, I said my goal was to lead this forum into an area of truthful testing. I told Matt, the owner of this bot, I would tell the truth if it failed. He agreed to that.
I will cease posting on this thread for a while. I am loading the mini-motor-home and getting ready for leg one of the journey.
One last thing: Your systems work! You are making two mistakes....you don't play long enough and you bet too much for your bankroll. The bot plays all day on a bankroll of 30,000 units. It is just like winkel said. You are experiencing a normal downturn and an upturn will follow. This bot is actually teaching me how to play the G.U.T.
Here's the graph:
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Great stuff Samster,
keep it up. Have yourself a good trip. Don't worry too much about roulette. It'll be there when you get back!
Matt
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 10, 2009, 11:41:19 PM
I will cease posting on this thread for a while. I am loading the mini-motor-home and getting ready for leg one of the journey.
Thanks for your detailed account so far Sam, it has been informative and interesting following your progress. Have an enjoyable and safe trip, and keep us updated with your progress once in a while.
Matt
Samster, you may want to check this one:
Rent your own Zombie PC *LEGALLY*: run bots, hide your IP location and more. (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/preview/rent-your-own-zombie-pc-*legally*-run-bots-hide-your-ip-location-and-m-t8940/)
You can actually leave the Zombie PC running the bot without having to be connected to the casino on your end for the trot. Ideal when dealing with unreliable WI-FI connections.
Just set it up and go enjoy, turn off your computer and let the Zombie do the hard work. :)
Have fun Sam.
Look forward to hearing more when you return
TSK
Well.........
The wife went shopping. Had to happen sooner or later.........
I am now up to $380 Euro and I play daily while we are out sight-seeing and at night while we are sleeping. I am still playing with one penny bets.
I am testing the portability of the bot. Here's the deal..........
I can just pause it, put my computer on "sleep" mode and re-start it in the next town. Now, if I'm up I don't do this; only if I'm down. I don't want to quit a session being down. All I have to do when I reach the new city is be SURE I am on-line by testing some other program like VLS and then re-starting the bot. It will perfectly resume as if I had only paused it for a few minutes.
I did have one terrible experience: I plugged my computer into a dead wall socket, you know, the kind you flip a switch to turn on......... Well, the battery went down and it shut down when I was down some. I had to fight back from that low and I did....or rather......it did. I was in Yosemite National Park at the time!
Wait until you see me hug a Sequoia!
Onward and upward! Anyone ever heard of THE CALL OF THE WILD?
Sam in California...........
Sam! Welcome back around! :clapping:
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 23, 2009, 08:55:36 PM
I am now up to $380 Euro and I play daily while we are out sight-seeing and at night while we are sleeping. I am still playing with one penny bets.
Great going Sam, slowly but surely :)
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 23, 2009, 08:55:36 PM
I am testing the portability of the bot. Here's the deal..........
I can just pause it, put my computer on "sleep" mode and re-start it in the next town.
This is great to know, thanks for testing and passing it on.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 23, 2009, 08:55:36 PM
I I was in Yosemite National Park at the time!
Wait until you see me hug a Sequoia!
A truly amazing place, we stayed there for a week - stunning landscape all round.
Thanks for the updates!
Matt
Quote$380 Euro
Well done TwoCat.
Not long and you will be at $400
NEWS FLASH!!
Not all WiFi is high speed internet! I am on one now that is slow as constipation. This has caused me a hefty setback in my play.
Bummer!
Sam
QuoteI am on one now that is slow as constipation.
Hahahahahahahahh Lmao @ Sam.
One of your best My Friend....say Hi to the Wife for us Mate.
Lanky.
Lanky
Marcia finally got full tonight! We went to an old cookhouse where lumberjacks were fed up until about fifty years ago. It was all you could eat--fried chicken and mashed potatoes and the fixin's. They just keep bringing it!
I always told her she eats like a lumberjack and damned if she didn't prove me right.
The big trees are the most (well, maybe) beautiful thing I've ever seen. Some where here before Christ. They were old before Christ! It is truly humbling to walk through such beauty.
God, she's planning on where to eat tomorrow!! THE GIRL AND THE FIG is the name of it. It's hoity-toity and not like a lumberjack's place at all.
Oh, well....
Samster
Hello
Just thought I would check in with anyone interested in bots. Let's review: I started with 100 Euro and went to 400 Euro. Lost my mind, changed my bet in midstream and lost it all. Put in another 100 Euro. Went to 400 Euro again and hit some truly sorry luck on the road in Arizona, New Mexico and California and went down to 150 Euro. Came home--discovered Bet Voyager was running slow as cold molasses and bet for days with little change in bankroll. Then Bet Voyager fixed their slow problem and the bot took off and started producing profits. I am now at about 260-something and climbing toward the 400 Euro plateau again.
Matt and Tiago (Using another person's system) have produced a program which has an ever so slight draw down and produces a nice little profit for each 1,000 spins. They are working to improve it.
I am finding I can make about 20 Euro per day betting .02 bets. Today I had a huge draw down of 1/4th my bankroll. Usually the draw down is less and sometimes almost non-existent. This run took 1886 spins to produce 10 Euro profit. With the current speed, that is about four hours or less.
So what was I doing while all this work was taking place? I was at the oldest bar in Oklahoma eating the absolute world's best fried chicken.
Once I hit 400 Euro again, I will begin the graph and keep daily records. As I've always said, if it fails you will know it.
Sam
Thanks for the progress report Sam. With the AI update due out at the end of the week, the draw downs will be more of the non-existent variety :)
Matt
Cheers Sam - you've made me hungry now :)
Brothers of the Bot
Here is what Matt speaks of when he says let it run and get out of the way. I was down a goodly amount, about fifty bucks, and I went out to work on the retaining wall. In one hour it had gone to my goal. As you can see by the graph, it was all over the place for 2,500 spins or more.
I am shooting for 10 E per trot with one trot per day, sometimes two. Last night my cable went out with only a 3 E profit, so today I looked for about 7.
Sam
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The first half of it up to `1500 spins looks like the Dow Jones index lol what a roller coaster
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Yes, it does! At the present, this bot is beating the living H out of the Dow and the Nasdaq.
While this does work with a no-zero wheel, I feel it might work fine--but slower--on a zero wheel.
I think I have finally found an honest RNG casino--Bet Voyager.
Sam