Some thoughts before I post the results of my real money tests.

[Herb]

What do you estimate your edge to be?

[TwoCatSam]

Thom

You'll just have to visualize the graph.  It just went up at about a 45 degree angle.  I had the screen shot, named it, saved it and it disappeared.  I must have hit the wrong key somewhere. 

I have downloaded the new version and it is a fast mother goose! 

So if we subscribe to Herb's conclusions we can now loose money faster than ever! 

I'm about to finish a session now.  It was going so bad I went to Home Depot for roofing material.  Looked a lot better when I got home.  I will get the graph on this one.

Sam

[thomasgrant]

Sam, you say you had a bad day...
I got the new version.
Started using it.
Works even better and faster.
And yes a faster way to loose money.
But I am still in profit.
Not by much.

Man, I am so crazy...
Push it to hard.
And it will break.
It nearly did for me.

Building it up again.

Should take even less time than before.
Now that I have fully tested my own limits.
And what works best.
I will stick to those settings.

[TwoCatSam]

Well, this sessions lasted 2,547 spins and about six hours.  Bet Voyager locked up twice and I had to re-start it.  I was able to keep the bot running and resume where I left off.  This session went down to around $10.00.  I had about five bets to bankruptcy and I thought it was going to happen.  It did not, but that is too close for comfort for me.

Here's the deal:  I was within pennies of my $5 goal and it went South for hours and thousands of spins.  I got the graph on this one.  It's as ugly as my cat's littler box.

Sam

P.S.  If you right click the mouse and click on view image, it will fit the screen

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[Number Six]

Hi Sam,

Although this was a test and probably had to be done, you seemed to be dangerously open at one point to the idea that bots like these may work. I hope this graphic illustration of failure (which WON'T be a one off) will make people think twice before entrusting real cash-money to a bot. I mean, look at it. 5 bets to bankruptcy? It's a totally ridiculous way to play. The worst with a bot can and will happen. It's only a matter of time before it wipes you out. Then you'll re-deposit and it'll wipe you again...and again...and again.

[Herb]

Number Six,

In the long run, what makes you think your system is going to perform any better?


-Herb

[super-roulette]

Hi Sam,

Although this was a test and probably had to be done, you seemed to be dangerously open at one point to the idea that bots like these may work. I hope this graphic illustration of failure (which WON'T be a one off) will make people think twice before entrusting real cash-money to a bot. I mean, look at it. 5 bets to bankruptcy? It's a totally ridiculous way to play. The worst with a bot can and will happen. It's only a matter of time before it wipes you out. Then you'll re-deposit and it'll wipe you again...and again...and again.

N6 your BOT bashing is peculiar since you posted this in the Neural Networks thread.

As far as roulette software robots go, this is where the future is.

Matt

[Herb]

Even when you have the edge, you're going to experience normal random draw downs that are much larger than the one shown above. 

[TwoCatSam]

Gentlemen

I appreciate everyone's thoughtfulness.  My wife and I tip more to servers in a month than I loose on roulette--far more!  We eat out virtually every meal.  My wife spends far, far more on hair, wigs and nails than I will ever loose on roulette.  I have known men with $30,000 bass boats pulled by $30,000 pickups with $500 fishing rods in the cubby.  All for a piece of fish I can buy for $12.00 and get a salad to boot.  Oh, not really!  It's for the fun of fishing!

This is fun for me.  If it costs me a hundred eruo, so be it. 

Part of the fun for me is seeing how far I can go before hitting the wall.

And, yes, I feel bots are the future.  They will be built to mimic humans in that they will stop and eat and go pee.  The will bet erratically and will be used at any casino, even on real-wheel games. 

The worst thing about this bot:  The wife runs in every ten minutes and asks, "Are we there yet?  Are we there yet?"

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Guys

A 5,000+ spin test........

I did something I should not have done.  I was up a little and decided to go from .01 to .02 bets in mid-stream.  Bad idea.  I don't know what happened, but the graph says it all.

I did finish the trot up about $16 which is pretty good, I think.

Sam

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[super-roulette]

Guys

A 5,000+ spin test........

I did finish the trot up about $16 which is pretty good, I think.

Great going Sam. Drawdowns will be followed by strong rebounds. What is your goal? Are you going to stick to using the current system?

Matt

[Number Six]

@Herb,
Although I respect your reputation as a top advantage player, there is little point communicating with you. I have my ways, which are working perfectly well, and you have yours. I'm not a pro player and don't want to be. I make a tidy second income from the game and have done for years.

@Matt,
That quote means nothing when taken out of context. It refers to a live wheel bot with a neural network aimed to exploit the so-called "dealer signature", a widely accepted form of advantage play that can give the player an edge. My post in that thread has no reference whatsoever to bots for RNGs or mechanical systems for live wheels. And also, I conceded an opinion that if bots are to have a future in online gambling, they would need neural networks. But that doesn't mean I'm an advocate of them or would use one. You don't appear to be a stupid person so I'm guessing you haven't misunderstood my post, but have rather intentionally dug it up and quoted a section of it here to discredit me and put contradictions into my arguments. You are stooping to desperate lows, as all system sellers do when they know they're pushing dodgy products. 

[TwoCatSam]

Matt

I sent you an e-mail.  I won't discuss it here.

Number Six

Listen, Bro, I don't want to scrap with you but why are you so down on this bloke?  You just said to Herb something like ...you play your way and I'll play mine...didn't you?

So far, through about 20,000 spins, this bot has done exactly what the man said it would.  I full well know it could fail tomorrow.  I can assure you and everyone else--although I would hate to do it---I will report failure if it occurs.  I told Matt this at the outset.

I am always pulling for the thing to win, no matter what it is.  I do my best to win while giving it every opportunity to fail.  This is a totally mechanical test and it's driving me nuts.  I love hands-on betting, not watching some bot do it for me. 

But if it wins, well, I could get used to watching a movie and leaving it be.

Sam

[super-roulette]

That quote means nothing when taken out of context. It refers to a live wheel bot with a neural network aimed to exploit the so-called "dealer signature", a widely accepted form of advantage play that can give the player an edge. My post in that thread has no reference whatsoever to bots for RNGs or mechanical systems for live wheels. And also, I conceded an opinion that if bots are to have a future in online gambling, they would need neural networks. But that doesn't mean I'm an advocate of them or would use one. You don't appear to be a stupid person so I'm guessing you haven't misunderstood my post, but have rather intentionally dug it up and quoted a section of it here to discredit me and put contradictions into my arguments. You are stooping to desperate lows, as all system sellers do when they know they're pushing dodgy products. 

N6 accusing me of stooping is harsh. I am not trying to discredit you, I didn't 'dig' this up but read it on another part of the forum and thought it was contradictory to the thoughts you expressed in this thread.

Why are you are allowed to boldly claim it doesn't work without understanding the thought that has gone into its inception, but I am not allowed to defend (not peddle) something that I know works and is working for me...like you I am making a tidy secondary income.

Quoting you was adding weight to the argument that BOTs do have a place as an investment tool.

We are currently adding support for live dealer casinos. The BOT will be able to track spins and then identify trends that are occuring, due to either the dealer or the physics of the wheel. It will then be able to decide where the betting opportunites lie at that moment and take advantage of them as they occur.

I am pleased with how Super Roulette works now, however I am always looking to improve it and ensure it evolves.

Matt

[Number Six]

Arguing this out is a waste of time for both of us.

I'm simply not interested enough to carry on anyway.

[Number Six]

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