Alright, I just got done with the largest test session I have ever done on any system. 100,000 spins. Here are the stats: (there is a snapshot of my BR Balance Trend as produced by RXtreme attached)
Starting BR - 5,000 units (didn't need that much, just what populates in my RXtreme)
Lowest BR was in all of those 100,000 spins - 4,648 units
Ending BR - 6,284 units
Okay, now I know (before I get torn apart here) that a 1200 unit profit over the course of 100,000 spins is minimal (but it never lost a session in all 100,000 spins, although it didn't bet very ofter as you can see), but I want to throw this out there.
The 3 casinos I play in almost exclusively are - Online Vegas, Golden Casino and Go Casino (all run by the same company I think). If when playing you go into the options screen and press "Turn Off Animation" the second you hit spin you get a number returned to you. That means you can do roughly 3,200 to 3,300 spins an hour.
Now, add the mechanics of a well designed bot...and you've got something that will place the bets for you (just like RXtreme) but for real money and you can get through 100,000 spins at one of the aforementioned casinos in 30 hours. A 1,200 unit profit in 30 hours doesn't sound so bad to me.
Please respond to this as I want to know if I'm just being silly, or this system is viable if placed into a bot.
All I can say is...wow! If you can always turn a profit in 100,000 spins then my friend, you have the Grail!
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 02:51:02 AM
Alright, I just got done with the largest test session I have ever done on any system. 100,000 spins. Here are the stats: (there is a snapshot of my BR Balance Trend as produced by RXtreme attached)
Starting BR - 5,000 units (didn't need that much, just what populates in my RXtreme)
Lowest BR was in all of those 100,000 spins - 4,648 units
Ending BR - 6,284 units
Okay, now I know (before I get torn apart here) that a 1200 unit profit over the course of 100,000 spins is minimal (but it never lost a session in all 100,000 spins, although it didn't bet very ofter as you can see), but I want to throw this out there.
The 3 casinos I play in almost exclusively are - Online Vegas, Golden Casino and Go Casino (all run by the same company I think). If when playing you go into the options screen and press "Turn Off Animation" the second you hit spin you get a number returned to you. That means you can do roughly 3,200 to 3,300 spins an hour.
Now, add the mechanics of a well designed bot...and you've got something that will place the bets for you (just like RXtreme) but for real money and you can get through 100,000 spins at one of the aforementioned casinos in 30 hours. A 1,200 unit profit in 30 hours doesn't sound so bad to me.
Please respond to this as I want to know if I'm just being silly, or this system is viable if placed into a bot.
In case anybody is wondering what the system is (or if something like this is old news to you guys) it's the coding of the modified perfect balance system (a system designed by viper and skirzy, then modified by me) modified even further. I actually read the RX coding manual and went into the .dgt file and tweaked a couple of things.
The results I got are what you can see. I am now at 103,000 spins and my BR is $6,333. I have posted a new BR balance trend below. I am going to do this all the way to 3 or 4 hundred thousand spins. I hope that will be enough for you guys to at least tell me if I'm crazy or if I've done something good. Can't wait to hear what you guys have to say!
125,000 spins - See Bankroll Balance Trend below. Feedback anybody?
150,000 spins - see bankroll balance trend below
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 03:26:06 AM
150,000 spins - see bankroll balance trend below
Looks impressive!!!!! :clapping:
Quote from: See_Jerek on May 17, 2009, 03:27:45 AM
Looks impressive!!!!! :clapping:
I appreciate that, but does how slowly it wins make this
not a viable system. I mean, obviously trying to do this in a casino would be completely impossible. But as I mentioned in my first post...a bot of some sort...would that be worth it? The only reason I ask is because somebody in the general posts board told me that it isn't smart. (I made a similar post there).
Also, before anybody says this is crap, upload 100,000 spins from any casino you'd like (they must be from a casino, land or RNG, doesn't matter) and I will do an onscreen video test showing this in action. As I have done with every other system I've posted. On my computer it takes about 10 or 15 minutes to go through 100,000 spins in RXtreme. What I'll do onscreen is import your 100,000 spins and then set it to autorun those spins. If anybody takes me up on the offer, I will then upload the video for everybody (including the uploader) to see and verify.
Please, keep the comments coming. Is this good news, or just too many spins to be worth it?
I have a couple of questions first:
1. Are you betting every spin?
2. Are you using an up as you lose progression?
Can explain the system just a bit.
-Herb
175,000 spins - See Bankroll Balance Trend below. Also, new in this picture, I have turned on the "average bankroll" option in the BR trend. (options, then check average bankroll). The average BR is depicted in this picture by the red line. Comments or input anybody? Particularly on the questions I have asked.
I need to know where to invest my money (bot or no bot)
Yes, I posted some questions above.
Quote from: Herb on May 17, 2009, 03:42:50 AM
I have a couple of questions first:
1. Are you betting every spin?
2. Are you using an up as you lose progression?
Can explain the system just a bit.
-Herb
Well, as I said its the modified perfect balance system that I uploaded as a .dgt file in the coding section (I modified Viper and Skirzys perfect balance system). I have now gone ahead and modified it even further as I read the RXtreme coding manual so I was able to tweak a couple of things myself (didn't have to pay for yet another programmer this time).
No, I am not only not betting every spin, I sometimes go thousands of spins without betting (please read above posts, I have questions in them, as well as answers).
Yes, I am using an up as you lose progression. It's not a set progression, it's based on a math formula I came up with. The most I have been down so far in this 175,000 spins is 4 or 5 hundred units I think.
If you can, please tell me what the basics of the system are.
If somebody would like to upload a file of 100,000 spins or so from a B&M Casino or RNG, doesn't matter which, (as I don't have a data set with that many spins) I will download the file from the forum, import it into RXtreme, and autorun all of the spins. I will do all of this on screen in a video and upoad it for you all to see if you'd like. Just please give me some feedback. Is this something you guys have seen before that's going to burn me, or are these kinds of results really new to you all?
I sometimes go thousands of spins without betting>>
So, potentially, you will be standing around for days in a casino waiting to bet?
Hmmmmm....
Please guys, read the above posts. I really don't mind criticism, but just read first....
Without more info, I don't know what to tell you.
I just crashed my computer trying to export my spin results into an .xls file (had wayyyy to many applications open, haha). Anyway, I will be posting the intricate details of the system tomorrow. I am also asking someone to upload a 100,000 spin or more data set (as I don't have any data set that large, and so the forum can verify it).
Also, I am working on one last improvement (hopefully it's an improvement anyway, we'll see). That's the reason for my waiting to post the details. The improvements will be - on a loss (if one ever occurs) you lose less than you would currently on a loss. Second improvement - you would bet slightly more often. Not much, but a little.
In the meantime, if anybody cares to actually read this whole thread, please respond with some feedback on the questions I have asked you as a forum to help me answer. Thanks again everybody, you guys are a super-valuable resource for this wonderful hobby I love (coughaddictioncough) haha.
I've read the thread, but you don't explain what you're doing.
All I see are graphs.
Hello,
RJ...
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 04:07:04 AM
I am also asking someone to upload a 100,000 spin or more data set
In the
Actuals/Permanenzes section I have uploaded a file of
700,000+ spins from Wiesbaden Table 3.
If you need it in another fornat I can fix that.
BTW:
The first thing I do when I see this kind of result is to check the code and check it again.
Or even better: I let some one else check it.
Are you 100% sure that your program is 100% correct?
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Quote from: Homeito on May 17, 2009, 04:25:44 AM
Hello,
RJ...
In the Actuals/Permanenzes section I have uploaded a file of 700,000+ spins from Wiesbaden Table 3.
If you need it in another fornat I can fix that.
BTW:
The first thing I do when I see this kind of result is to check the code and check it again.
Or even better: I let some one else check it.
Are you 100% sure that your program is 100% correct?
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
I am 110% sure it's correct...in fact, 1000%. As I said I will be sharing the intricate details with everybody tomorrow (as well as the .dgt file) as soon as I finish making a couple of adjustments (and then testing if they were necessary adjustments). I have just downloaded the spins you uploaded and am going to see if I can import them into RXtreme. Thanks Homeito!
@Homeito (or anyone actually) I need some help. I can only import spins into RXtreme when they are in the following format:
1
27
18
36
0
20
19
Not this format: 1,27,18,36,0,20,19 So the spins I downloaded in the members only section do not going into RXtreme (and reorganizing 700,000 numbers when you don't know a quick way to do it is just too painstaking a task)
So, if someone knows a quick way to reorganize those numbers into one column, or has a different set of spins (at least 100,000) please let me know.
Ok, I will respond to your specific question with a little history. A few years ago I got into botting poker. I ran a bot that won 1BB per table hour played. I was playing at the $. 25-$. 50 tables at the time. So I was winning $. 50 per table per hour. I could not get the bot to win at a greater level. So I had the bot modified to play 4 tables at once. Four was the maximum that a 1600x1200 screen would accomidate. All tables needed to be visable at all times for the bot to perform properly. So at that point I was up to $2 per hour. I then created 2 additional poker accounts (wife and son). At that point I was able to run each account 8 hrs a day and get a total of 24 hrs a day played. Give or take about 30-45 minutes a day used to switch accounts.
So bottom line was I was netting about $50 per day running my bot. Add about an additional $20 per day in rakeback and the occasional site bonus and I was clearing around $500-$600 a week.
I am not really sure how this may or may not translate into your roulette botting but hopefully it gives you something to think about.
-SC
Hello,
RJ...
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 04:43:37 AM
@Homeito (or anyone actually) I need some help. I can only import spins into RXtreme when they are in the following format:
1
27
18
36
0
20
19
Not this format: 1,27,18,36,0,20,19 So the spins I downloaded in the members only section do not going into RXtreme (and reorganizing 700,000 numbers when you don't know a quick way to do it is just too painstaking a task)
So, if someone knows a quick way to reorganize those numbers into one column, or has a different set of spins (at least 100,000) please let me know.
It will be done in within a little time.
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Quote from: Homeito on May 17, 2009, 04:49:57 AM
Hello,
RJ...
It will be done in within a little time.
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
That's excellent Homeito, thanks! I've download probably six or seven files full of spins, all of which were in the wrong format. That's great, thanks again.
Quote from: Innovcon on May 17, 2009, 04:43:59 AM
Ok, I will respond to your specific question with a little history. A few years ago I got into botting poker. I ran a bot that won 1BB per table hour played. I was playing at the $. 25-$. 50 tables at the time. So I was winning $. 50 per table per hour. I could not get the bot to win at a greater level. So I had the bot modified to play 4 tables at once. Four was the maximum that a 1600x1200 screen would accomidate. All tables needed to be visable at all times for the bot to perform properly. So at that point I was up to $2 per hour. I then created 2 additional poker accounts (wife and son). At that point I was able to run each account 8 hrs a day and get a total of 24 hrs a day played. Give or take about 30-45 minutes a day used to switch accounts.
So bottom line was I was netting about $50 per day running my bot. Add about an additional $20 per day in rakeback and the occasional site bonus and I was clearing around $500-$600 a week.
I am not really sure how this may or may not translate into your roulette botting but hopefully it gives you something to think about.
-SC
This is just the kind of input I was looking for Innovcon, thanks! I'm in the process of looking around the internet (currently at Rent-A-Coder(.com)) for somebody to code a bot that will autoplay Go Casino, Online Vegas & Golden Casino (they're the fastest casinos I know of in terms of spin speed, and they're all on the same technology platform). I will keep you guys posted on this as well.
In the meantime, anybody else have any input? Is this good news, or am I setting myself up for heartbreak?
Is 175,000 spins enough of a test to see that a system wins long term?
Hello,
RJ...
The spins are here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=379
The spins are now Return (CrLf) separated and the file looks like this:
23
1
25
4
16
17
19
0
15
17
15
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Quote from: Homeito on May 17, 2009, 05:05:06 AM
Hello,
RJ...
The spins are here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/downloads/?sa=view;id=379
The spins are now Return (CrLf) separated and the file looks like this:
23
1
25
4
16
17
19
0
15
17
15
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
You're officially the man Homeito. :thumbsup: I will start making the video for everybody right now!
Hey there Homeito, the format was perfect (it imported exactly as it should have). I am currently making the video for everybody as I am typing this (in fact, what will be really strange is when you watch the video you'll see me typing this, ha, kind of weird. I really need...some sleep.)
Just wanted to give you all a heads up, since I am recording my screen (takes up a lot of computer resources) at the same time as RXtreme is open, the spins are going slower than they normally do. So the video all in all may be kind of large but it'll be here should you choose to want to see it.
As soon as I have it for you guys I will post it. Until then, I hope to hear some more of your thoughts.
as u told above its a system depented on maths-possibilities(i know my system lol)
and i will tell u 1 more eime :shout: that it is a looser!!!!!maby a winner BUT can u risk IT????? well...........i don"t
and if this system needs 5000 chips BR then its not a system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
save ur time mate...nothing new here
same thing all over...casino edje
Quote from: viper5 on May 17, 2009, 07:55:11 AM
as u told above its a system depented on maths-possibilities(I know my system lol)
and I will tell u 1 more eime :shout: that it is a loser!!!!!maby a winner BUT can u risk IT????? well...........I don"t
and if this system needs 5000 chips BR then its not a system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
save ur time mate...nothing new here
same thing all over...casino edje
I hope for you Rjeaction its a winner because I like your efforts :good:
Just a bit worried though because...
IF VIPER CAN'T DO IT ....IT CANT BE DONE!!!
:laugh:
Hi Rjeaton. Look mate, all you need in order to test your thing is 30 sessions /100 spins each. So 3000 spins in all to check of you got something or not. In these 30 sessions you're only allowed to lose One. Hundred thousand of spins is only wasting your time mate. Beileve me.
Cheers
/Compa
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 02:51:02 AM
Alright, I just got done with the largest test session I have ever done on any system. 100,000 spins. Here are the stats: (there is a snapshot of my BR Balance Trend as produced by RXtreme attached)
Starting BR - 5,000 units (didn't need that much, just what populates in my RXtreme)
Lowest BR was in all of those 100,000 spins - 4,648 units
Ending BR - 6,284 units
Okay, now I know (before I get torn apart here) that a 1200 unit profit over the course of 100,000 spins is minimal (but it never lost a session in all 100,000 spins, although it didn't bet very ofter as you can see), but I want to throw this out there.
The 3 casinos I play in almost exclusively are - Online Vegas, Golden Casino and Go Casino (all run by the same company I think). If when playing you go into the options screen and press "Turn Off Animation" the second you hit spin you get a number returned to you. That means you can do roughly 3,200 to 3,300 spins an hour.
Now, add the mechanics of a well designed bot...and you've got something that will place the bets for you (just like RXtreme) but for real money and you can get through 100,000 spins at one of the aforementioned casinos in 30 hours. A 1,200 unit profit in 30 hours doesn't sound so bad to me.
Please respond to this as I want to know if I'm just being silly, or this system is viable if placed into a bot.
Well I have pass 800 000 and that is many years of play with a fibo but I don't name it the holy grail.
LS
And i want to add that winning 60 bets in 100 000 is not much.
LS
I just finished testing this method against all 700,000 spins uploaded by HomeIto. I unfortunately will not be able to upload the video (as it's 5 and a half hours long) so I have done this instead.
I have uploaded the betting history for all 700,000 spins (obviously there is no way I could have faked this overnight) You will see that it matches the spins uploaded by Homeito. Enjoy everybody & please tell me your thoughts.
Is 700,000 spins enough to see that it wins long term, shouldn't the house edge have kicked it by then?
You can download the betting history here: nolinks://nolinks.mediafire.com/?sharekey=b320ba1087b5a97400d27174b47c6657f2de923a07adc90fc95965eaa7bc68bc
Had to upload it to mediafire as I think it was too large to upload here.
There is also a BR Balance Trend below.
Alright everybody, I apologize for posting something you guys have all seen before (and also for kind of wasting your time) with this thread. Won't happen again! Only new systems and or ideas from me (well, I'll try to do that anyway).
Take care!
what betting units are you using?
dont take this the wrong way, i mean i love what your doing and the effort your putting in but you made < 2000 profits in over 700k spins. . . . so basically what your saying (and I know you said it in the previous posts) is that the system seems to work or at least be very lucky, HOWEVER the profit/time ratio means unless your using a bot or something its not viable. Even with a bot doing 700k spins is going to take a long time, and if your at a casino that is anti bots you cant do it too quickly anyway. . .
good system and congrats on finding it, however its not the grail to answer your question :-P its not a "waste" of time, because you do make some money. . .
Anyway well done for the time and effort and all your other posts. You deserve credit for it, even if others prefer to put you down.
I have decided to pay to have this thing turned into a Bot. I will let you know when it's finished and will email to whoever wants it. I just don't want to post it in the forum publicily for "cruisers" of the forum or guests to download.
That is if anybody at all wants to download it anyway.
Take care!
Quote from: Moreof on May 17, 2009, 10:55:18 AM
what betting units are you using?
dont take this the wrong way, I mean I love what your doing and the effort your putting in but you made < 2000 profits in over 700k spins. . . . so basically what your saying (and I know you said it in the previous posts) is that the system seems to work or at least be very lucky, HOWEVER the profit/time ratio means unless your using a bot or something its not viable. Even with a bot doing 700k spins is going to take a long time, and if your at a casino that is anti bots you cant do it too quickly anyway. . .
good system and congrats on finding it, however its not the grail to answer your question :-P its not a "waste" of time, because you do make some money. . .
Anyway well done for the time and effort and all your other posts. You deserve credit for it, even if others prefer to put you down.
Thanks for your input Moreof. That's really exactly what I'm looking for, it's sincerely appreciated. Thanks for reading all this stuff, and thanks to everybody else as well!
How many spins did you actually BET on? It looks like there was a period of 40 000 spins that you didn't place a single bet. The system only gets tested for the amount of spins you bet on, that's why it seems the house edge hasn't "kicked in" yet.
Hello,
RJ...
Thank you for posting this.
And congratulations to your results.
However I think it should be very valuable if you please post the following also:
* The total number of bets
* The highest bet in units on one betting position (single number, Black or whatever)
That should help us (me) very much to evaluate the system.
TIA
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
Quote from: Homeito on May 17, 2009, 11:07:25 AM
Hello,
RJ...
Thank you for posting this.
And congratulations to your results.
However I think it should be very valuable if you please post the following also:
* The total number of bets
* The highest bet in units on one betting position (single number, Black or whatever)
That should help us (me) very much to evaluate the system.
TIA
Best regards,
Homeito Bemek
All of these questions should be answered by downloading the betting history of those 700k spins (I provided it one of the posts above this one). Thanks again Homeito, I appreciate it!
It also looks like you had a 1300 unit drawdown? ???
Hello,
RJ...
Yes I looked at the history and that is why I ask.
I can not see how many units you bet on ONE betting position only that you SEEMS to have made a bet of approximately 1200 units IN TOTAL.
Also I can not see how MANY bets you have done.
I could TRY to count them but sometimes the graph is just a blur...
Therefore I ask you again to please post the numbers.
Thank you In Advance
Homeito Bemek
Dang, a person decides to get some sleep and look what happens! lol
Definitely doesn't look like a waste of time, but for sure a bot would be better for this b/c I know I don't have enough patience to wait a couple thousand spins before betting! But you can't argue with the steep climbing in the graphs. Definitely keep me posted on this RJ! If you need any help with testing you know I'm here.
Hi
Well I for one dont think this has been a waste of your time mate.
I mean if you made 2000 units profit ...well if each unit was $1000(or $25 for that matter)... then no one would be complaining and you could play that IF it was a mega reliable system.
Mate if you get this in a bot(or indeed if not,but need further help) and need help testing then I am willing to help you too
The Spiders Kiss
Thanks it looks good and that is many years of play.
So i would ask my self what i risk and what i gain.
I used even money bets what is this, numbers or even money bets ??
LS
I took this out to 1,000,000 spins... If anybody is interested in me posting the results (BR balance trend & betting history) let me know. Thanks guys!
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 12:50:12 PM
I took this out to 1,000,000 spins... If anybody is interested in me posting the results (BR balance trend & betting history) let me know. Thanks guys!
I would like to take a look RJ please
TSK
Rj, no it's not a waste of time. This forum is for ideas etc... And ur doing a great job :)
People expect winnings from a session with 100 spins, my point is as long as it wins then why not. :thumbsup:
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 12:50:12 PM
I took this out to 1,000,000 spins... If anybody is interested in me posting the results (BR balance trend & betting history) let me know. Thanks guys!
Definitely would like to take a look. Is it looking bot worthy?
You don't need to spend your money to code a bot. I can do it for you for free. If you are interested, just PM me.
Regards.
Quote from: RouletteBR on May 17, 2009, 01:16:15 PM
You don't need to spend your money to code a bot. I can do it for you for free. If you are interested, just PM me.
Regards.
Now
THERES an offer RJ.
Quote from: The Spiders Kiss on May 17, 2009, 01:17:24 PM
Now THERES an offer RJ.
No kidding! Excited to see where this might go ;D
When it comes to a successful method, there are two kinds. Playable at a casino is one type. You have to factor in your TIME. $30 an hour NET grabs my attention. The other type is a method that is only beatable on PAPER. "Hey, I beat the game of roulette"! Well, kind of ya did. After 50 million spins, lets say someones method is up $7. Is that impressive? Was roulette beat? Ken
Thanks RJ
Do you plan to post the modified method here or not?
Quote from: Mr J on May 17, 2009, 01:21:40 PM
When it comes to a successful method, there are two kinds. Playable at a casino is one type. You have to factor in your TIME. $30 an hour NET grabs my attention. The other type is a method that is only beatable on PAPER. "Hey, I beat the game of roulette"! Well, kind of ya did. After 50 million spins, lets say someones method is up $7. Is that impressive? Was roulette beat? Ken
Ken, as long as that bet was 100% sure to win. But then again, who wants to go over 50 million spins. Hehe!
Interesting question >>> After 50 million spins, lets say someones method is up $7. Is that impressive? Was roulette beat? Ken
Quote from: Mr J on May 17, 2009, 01:21:40 PM
When it comes to a successful method, there are two kinds. Playable at a casino is one type. You have to factor in your TIME. $30 an hour NET grabs my attention. The other type is a method that is only beatable on PAPER. "Hey, I beat the game of roulette"! Well, kind of ya did. After 50 million spins, lets say someones method is up $7. Is that impressive? Was roulette beat? Ken
Yes, but I'm not talking +$7 after 50 million spins. I'm talking +$2,500 after 1 million spins. If you're playing at a casino (like the ones I mentioned earlier) that return a number the second you hit spin you're looking at 3,600 spins an hour (technically, but let's call it 3,200 spins to allow for lag, etc.).
That's 312 hours of playing time. 312 hours is 13 days. 13 days to make +$2,500 bucks doesn't so bad. Thats one account......imagine 3.... "Don't want my computer tied up for 13 days" you say? Well, I just recently read something in the sponsor only section about how you can run all this software on a computer that isn't in your house (you run it remotely from your home, but your computer remains free to do what you wish with) for a couple bucks a month.
Anyway, I'm just speculating, but I am contacting the very VERY nice individual who mentioned coding this into a bot for free. Also still looking at Rent-A-Coder dot com.
In the meantime let's continue to hear your thoughts!
For those of you interested in the 1,000,000 spin test I have posted the results. I also made a two minute thirty second video showing this in action so everybody could see I'm not "fudgin the numbers" so to speak. That video is here: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=NOT3WTKJ when I took this video it was somewhere around 960,000 spins, and you'll see it matches everything perfectly.
The first 700k spins in this test were HomeItos. The last 300k were RNG numbers. You can download the betting history here: nolinks://nolinks.megaupload.com/?d=IA6DJ199
And lastly, there is a picture of the BR balance trend as it is hard to picture the results of 1,000,000 spins visually in your head without a graph.
What do you guys think?
Quote from: rjeaton1 on May 17, 2009, 01:52:00 PM
That's 312 hours of playing time. 312 hours is 13 days. 13 days to make +$2,500 bucks doesn't so bad. Thats one account......imagine 3.... "Don't want my computer tied up for 13 days" you say? Well, I just recently read something in the sponsor only section about how you can run all this software on a computer that isn't in your house (you run it remotely from your home, but your computer remains free to do what you wish with) for a couple bucks a month.
Um, yeah...if I could make $2000 in 2 weeks, after a month's time I'd simply buy a second computer! lol I'd love to see this in action for myself, but I suppose all in due time. Thanks again for another great inventive idea!
2. 5k profit after 1 mill spins :-P and thats with a 5k BR. you "beat" roulette in terms of your up after an awful long time. So congrats on that, BUT is it practical? that is what you need to ask yourself ;)
Ok, help me with this....+$7K in one million spins? According to the graph. Correct? Ken
I don't imagine what is the principle behind this, but, maybe with a diferent approach on Money Management is possible to raise the profits a little bit. I'm also skeptical about if the casino will allow you logged in 24/7. . .
Quote from: Mr J on May 17, 2009, 02:04:02 PM
Ok, help me with this....+$7K in one million spins? According to the graph. Correct? Ken
No, I believe he started with a $5000 BR and is now up $2500.
Quote from: RouletteBR on May 17, 2009, 02:04:36 PM
I don't imagine what is the principle behind this, but, maybe with a diferent approach on Money Management is possible to raise the profits a little bit. I'm also skeptical about if the casino will allow you logged in 24/7. . .
Thanks for the input! (I love moving towards a solution instead of looking for a problem). I am currently in the process of making two changes. They allow for a significantly smaller BR (the test I'm running currently started at 500 units, I'm at spin 7,000 and my BR is 780 units, and the lowest they were at any given point was 464.)
I will let you all know soon enough if it works out long term.
Just a quick question. . .
If you code this into a bot you will need to make bets on those spins that the method ignores. Simply to 'move the wheel' along. In your testing are you accounting for those -EV bets required to 'move the wheel'?
Are the results posted a true 100% representation of the systems expected results as would have to be played with a bot?
-SC
"No, I believe he started with a $5000 BR and is now up $2500." --- Well thats even worse. I'll stay out of it. Have fun. Ken
Quote from: Innovcon on May 17, 2009, 02:28:09 PM
Just a quick question. . .
If you code this into a bot you will need to make bets on those spins that the method ignores. Simply to 'move the wheel' along. In your testing are you accounting for those -EV bets required to 'move the wheel'?
Are the results posted a true 100% representation of the systems expected results as would have to be played with a bot?
-SC
Excellent point Innovcon!! In fact I meant to ask this question before and I completely forgot. It does not take that into account. What I have to do here in the us is place a unit on red and black (this would cause these results I've shown you to show a loss, not a profit because zero shows up more often than a win).
So my question to you guys is, do you know of any online casino that allows for spinning the wheel while still having the same speed as the casinos I mentioned?
While it is sometimes discouraging to have so many people shoot things down, it is what drives me to look for better results (so thanks guys!).
Here is the absolute best thing I have ever come up with. It's the same as before but I have made a few adjustments. If this isn't enough for the people who said what I've done isn't a waste of time, then I don't know what is. Please offer feedback (it helps whether it's positive or negative):
Starting BR - 500 units
Current BR - 1,627 units (1,127 unit profit)
Spins - 30,000
Lost Sessions - 0
Sessions Played - (Right Around 100)
Lowest BR - 464
Largest Drawdown - 320 units
Picture Below, spins still going
^^
Wow, even better. Dying to know how you tweaked the Perfect Bal System. All in due time I suppose. :biggrin: I like the smaller bankroll, and even if your biggest draw down was on your first session, it wouldn't have wiped you out. Nice!
Hers what I would do. Keep in mind I have been botting for a few years and have some level of experience with this type of thing.
I would first prove the method viable. I leave that to you. If you believe the method as it stand now will show a long term profit so be it.
Then I would have a bot created for a non-zero wheel. Bet voyager I think has one. I also think they are 'bot-friendly' or at least not 'bot-haters'. This would eliminate the cost of the non betting spins required.
So at this point you have a bot that wins long term on an internet casino that you know is reliable. Only problem is you cant play there because you are a US resident. Simply enough. . . take on partners.
Find at least 3 people willing to create and fund an account on Bet Voyager. You can then long on 8 HRS a day per account and play a full 24 HR schedule. You will need to arrange a sharing of profits but that can all be worked out. You can then scale this as much as you want. Six accounts. . . Nine accounts. . . Two computers. . . . so on.
At some point you will run the well dry. Bet Voyager will pull the plug in some fashion eventually. But that is a problem for another day.
**It is a known fact that you can not create and fund an account on a non-US casino if you live in the US. You can however play from the US on an account created and funded from a non-US address. **
In other words if someone has an account set up you can go on and play with that account from the US. They do this to allow people who travel access to there casinos at all times.
hope this helps a little and gets you thinking.
-SC
**I have done this exact same thing with my poker bot. I have partners who have funded accounts on PartyPoker which is a non-US site. I then log onto there accounts and run my bot from my home in the US. Once a week they transfer me 50% of our net winnings thru PayPal. Has worked out very well. **
Impressive!!! Very nice results RJ... :good:
Keep going!!
If you need any help for testing sthing, do not hesitate.
Cheers
Quote from: Innovcon on May 17, 2009, 02:54:49 PM
Then I would have a bot created for a non-zero wheel. Bet voyager I think has one. I also think they are 'bot-friendly' or at least not 'bot-haters'. This would eliminate the cost of the non betting spins required.
So at this point you have a bot that wins long term on an internet casino that you know is reliable. Only problem is you cant play there because you are a US resident. Simply enough. . . take on partners.
Totally agree with that. If it can help, I already have an account on betvoyager. Their non-zero wheel is great, and more of that there is a hardware randomness for generating the numbers.
The only matter I can see is that they have set up an house fee (10% when you want to withdraw the funds).
I do this in a polite way I will let you tell if you are going to post what you are doing, the method or I have to move this topic.
This is the system libary where we post complete systems or bets selection to use as a method.
LS
Quote from: Lucky Strike on May 17, 2009, 04:47:06 PM
I do this in a polite way I will let you tell if you are going to post what you are doing, the method or I have to move this topic.
This is the system libary where we post complete systems or bets selection to use as a method.
LS
I apologize for that Lucky, I shouldn't have posted this here. It won't happen again, I can assure you. Feel free to move this topic to the appropriate area.
RJ,
Is this a variation of your "Four Number to Win" system? I'm saying this because i read the name on your BR graphics.
this is already being done!! ;)
hi all,
no news on this topic ?
i'm actually trying this system, with small BK, and i've doubled it.
but i'ved bigest drawndown than 320 units . . something like 400-450.
but it's seems to be a good idea, that's why i want news of it and give my little participation.
bye