Hi @ all,
The following is not a system nor even a betselection. It is just brainstorming.
I was thinking about the contradiction between two strategies on EC
One is to chase the equalizing short and long term
The other is seeking the Law of Third with EC
How can the Law of Third appear when there are only two chances of result?
So I transferrred it to this idea:
If one chance has appeared once the other chance should appear twice. (this is just a hypothesis)
But to bet on three spins to appear this constellation is boring. At least we are playing a figure (results are known)
So I thought how about to follow just a quote of 2:1 during the spins.
This leads to the following targets:
2:1
4:2
6:3
8:4
10:5
and so on.
On the other hand we always have to face that at every stage the tendency could change to equalizing
2:2
3:3
4:4
5:5
The idea is now to detect which tendency is alive or going on.
I took yesterdays Wiesbaden spins of Table 3
for a first explanation with real spins
pls see next post
by accident this perm is easily following my idea ;D
unfortunately I don´t know how to insert the attachment to the post :shout:
I just only bet, when one of the constellations is possible.
Pls check and ask, if you don´t get the idea
br
winkel
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Pls note
This is only a first step to get you into it.
The situation of an equalizing is still missing.
also the situation of a changing between equalizing and 2:1
br
winkel
Great brainstorming Winkel!
This can be a good bet selecting method for even chance betting.
Thanks for taking the time to share this with us.
(Looking forward to your further explanations.)
:thumbsup:
Regards
MAX
Hello Winkel,
Thanks for sharing your great idea. Looking forward to learn more from you.
Regards
sniper
Quote from: Winkel on September 05, 2009, 10:41:43 AM
The situation of an equalizing is still missing.
also the situation of a changing between equalizing and 2:1
Such a situation is found if we check same spins but sorted up with Even/Odd
pls check if you understand my excel-sheet.
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As you can see (hopefully) we start with betting on Law of Third.
Then it changes to betting Equal (green spots)
on the other hand at the same point it changes from a 1:2 to a 2:1-situations. I mean the other chance is now heading forward.
The question I dídn´t find an answer yet:
Do I only select if a situation is cleary arising?
e.g. 3:8 ist heading to 4:8 or 8:7 is heading to 8:8
or is there a chance to bet that a fullfilled 2:1(1:2)-situation is heading to equalizing.
Your help and your opinion are appreciated
br
winkel
Isn't this gambler's fallacy?
In my opinion it is more interesting and logical to bet when you have a 2:1 ratio. This is clear. And I could even think of a slow prog for it.
The "clearly arrising" thing is anything but clear. It's more like follow the trend, but not even that, since you bet on the less hit EC.
If one chance has appeared once the other chance should appear twice. (this is just a hypothesis)>>>
Does random ever obey these types of rules? If there were any concrete rules that applied to random outcomes, wouldn't it be easy to beat? Just asking..
Quote from: kav on September 05, 2009, 01:03:14 PM
In my opinion it is more interesting and logical to bet when you have a 2:1 ratio. This is clear. And I could even think of a slow prog for it.
The "clearly arrising" thing is anything but clear. It's more like follow the trend, but not even that, since you bet on the less hit EC.
Hi kav,
this will seem to be so, but these spins are just very clearly following the main idea.
I will find a much more difficult trot that will show more of the idea.
Due to my bad English I obviously used a wrong word by using "clearly arising".
I meant only to bet if there is a difference of +1/-1 to a target-situation-
7:8 or 8:7 bet for 8:8
11:24 or 24:11 bet for 12:24
12:23 or 23:12 bet for 12:24
But I think that later on, this could change.
of course it is a kind of trend-betting, but with try to explore the trend when it starts.
br
winkel
Here the spins of todays Wiesbaden Table 3 (Sep 5,)
Watch these two indicators (I just call them so despite of not knowing if they are ones)
1. Change from 1:2 to 2:1 (spins 5 and 8 )
2. Differences are far away from 2:1 or equalizing
green colour: prediction was right
red colour: prediction was wrong
yellow colour: predictions for both targets possible: no bet
br
winkel
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Hi
Winkle i used your numbers and rested the count after win .
The blue marked columns is were the reset points were.
Regards
Max
Hello dear Winkel,
Thanks for staying at the productive side of the debate. Thumbsup! :thumbsup:
One piece of advice; you can place the [attachimg=#] tag where you want the image to appear within your post (he he, no, it isn't adding magically, some admins do the manual work of adding the [attachimg=#] tag on valuable posts like yours).
Winkel,
I believe I did read this on the Poker and Roulette forum.de about 2 - 3 years ago. I believe it was referred to as Zwischenausgleich der EC or Intermediate Reconcilization of Equal chances.
If I am not mistaken you were one of the participants in this discussion . I once did this I.R.C. in a casino with 3 EC `s and keeping track of the action at the same time. In the end I was completely worn out and my head was still spinning the next day.
I did win though.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
P.S. If something looks good to me I take the action right into the casino without much fuzz and testing. I do have a pre- established rigid loss limit .
Quote from: VLSroulette on September 06, 2009, 06:46:06 PM
Hello dear Winkel,
Thanks for staying at the productive side of the debate. Thumbsup! :thumbsup:
One piece of advice; you can place the [attachimg=#] tag where you want the image to appear within your post (he he, no, it isn't adding magically, some admins do the manual work of adding the [attachimg=#] tag on valuable posts like yours).
Hi VLS,
thank you for your help and support
br
winkel
Quote from: MAX on September 06, 2009, 01:09:28 PM
Hi
Winkle I used your numbers and rested the count after win .
Max
Hi Max,
I´m discussing with myself, where to stop and to restart.
I´m not sure if your way is too short, and all the expected advantages of this idea are floating away.
I will think about that problem and refer to it.
br
winkel
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on September 06, 2009, 07:29:33 PM
Winkel,
I believe I did read this on the Poker and Roulette forum.de about 2 - 3 years ago. I believe it was referred to as Zwischenausgleich der EC or Intermediate Reconcilization of Equal chances.
Hi Nathan,
that is possible, but as I wrote it is just the half of my idea. I wanna use the contradiction between "Ausgleich" and using Law of Third-Ideas.
It is just a brainstorming not a iron-ruled strategy.
There are such a lot open questions. The hardest one is: It is of any use at all? :pleasantry: :scratch_ones_head:
br
winkel
Winkel
Sir,
The total equalization process might require about 360 spins ( the daily average at a Wiesbaden busy table) if one studies the final results for a particular table of any date.
This equalization process might be a good consideration for baccarat or Punto Banco. This being a closed end game by virtue of an approximate amount of decisions being dealt from from a shoe. Without doubt this game is very close 51 - 49 in favor of Banker. ( about 76 decisions)
For roulette it would be just Black and RED with the 1-2 ratio. R-B-R and then proceed with Black from this point on until RED becomes the underdog. A certain money management procedure should be considered.
But I must admit that I have discarded this Intermediate Reconciliation of EC`s. for an occasional R-R-R-R-B. I once gave an out line with RRR-B-1-2-2 and later changed it to RRRR-B 1-2. The post the" ultimate system "is still around.
At the present time I am playing a certain method of 22 numbers on the inside ( 0/00 wheel only) . Those 22 numbers are distributed equally on each side of the wheel , never more than 1 or 2 clicks betwen them. There are 13 Blacks and 9 Reds. ( 3 double streets and 1 Quad )
In addition I sometimes add Black into this set up giving me a greater edge and this by just extending only 5 additional Black numbers.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Regards,
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
Hi mr. Detroit. Would You like to elaborate on this 22 Numbers? Ie. which streets etc? Or do You prefer to keep it to Yourself?
Thnaks
/Compa
It is designed only for the 0/00 wheel . It`s worthless for the single 0 wheel. If it is the 0/00 wheel I gladly post it.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Ok. I see. I play EU wheel only. Thank You anyway for your reply.
/Compa
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on September 07, 2009, 07:52:50 PM
Winkel
Sir,
The total equalization process might require about 360 spins ( the daily average at a Wiesbaden busy table) if one studies the final results for a particular table of any date.
This equalization process might be a good consideration for baccarat or Punto Banco. This being a closed end game by virtue of an approximate amount of decisions being dealt from from a shoe. Without doubt this game is very close 51 - 49 in favor of Banker. ( about 76 decisions)
For roulette it would be just Black and RED with the 1-2 ratio. R-B-R and then proceed with Black from this point on until RED becomes the underdog. A certain money management procedure should be considered.
But I must admit that I have discarded this Intermediate Reconciliation of EC`s. for an occasional R-R-R-R-B. I once gave an out line with RRR-B-1-2-2 and later changed it to RRRR-B 1-2. The post the" ultimate system "is still around.
At the present time I am playing a certain method of 22 numbers on the inside ( 0/00 wheel only) . Those 22 numbers are distributed equally on each side of the wheel , never more than 1 or 2 clicks betwen them. There are 13 Blacks and 9 Reds. ( 3 double streets and 1 Quad )
In addition I sometimes add Black into this set up giving me a greater edge and this by just extending only 5 additional Black numbers.
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Regards,
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!
360 SPINS????
Nathan mate I have played BLACK EVEN/2 bets/---versus ---RED ODD/2 BETS/--for more then 2 weeks,
on the very same table,from 9 pm. to 6am.in my local casino---from the very first evening spin to the
very last morning spin--rising-decreasing,L-W,for one chip only---and for first few days it went smoothly,
but then suddenly RED ODD started dominant and so for almost a week.At one stage I was punting 22 chips
x2 euros x2 bets on BLACK EVEN,meaning each spin 88 euros,and was thinking of giving up and forget the los,
but then again it started recovering and Black even leveled with RED ODD in next few days.At the end of the
journey have won some money,but would never play this method again,as it is so bored,and you really have
to have a large BR to play this.But the fact is that all levels up on the long run,and that run could last for months.
No sir,no more.....................................Regards................Iboba..............rrrrb 1 2
.Nuff said on this subject. I have moved on .I wonder where Winkel is hanging out these days?
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!