Does anyone know, and do they have the guts to say so on here?
Supposing winning systems actually exist, why would anyone post it on a public message board? that would be silly. All that remains is for scammers to target the newbies, so it doesn't make for many posts. There really isn't much to talk about. If you have a winning method then you'll keep it to yourself, and if you don't, you keep reading the forums in the hope that someone will post a holy grail, or to get ideas to create your own winning system.
Mike, Good answer.
Any more posters with brains?
Quote from: Mike on September 26, 2010, 05:52:36 AM
Supposing winning systems actually exist, why would anyone post it on a public message board? that would be silly. All that remains is for scammers to target the newbies, so it doesn't make for many posts. There really isn't much to talk about. If you have a winning method then you'll keep it to yourself, and if you don't, you keep reading the forums in the hope that someone will post a holy grail, or to get ideas to create your own winning system.
That was an interesting theory for human nature. Now consider this one. The urge to publish a definitive solution to winning is more powerful a temptation than any monetary gain from actually playing it could be. An issue of selective fairness, based on those that act first, might be regulated by offering the unwashed with an option to act on faith in human nature to begin with. A kind of joke on the skeptics, an epiphany, a chance to destroy your own effort to succeed by breaking your own common sense, and just leaping at the chance that a published document might actually be the truth, the greatest prank of all time. To defy the logic of slitting your own throat by succeeding at acquiring what you seek. By purchasing the truth you participate in its own destruction. And to do this deliberately just to watch the skeptics squirm in their seats. The ultimate guilt trip. Motivation can have several rewards and still have a brief moment of fascination too. There are many good reasons to publish.
Quote from: Gizmotron on September 26, 2010, 12:31:17 PM
The urge to publish a definitive solution to winning is more powerful a temptation than any monetary gain from actually playing it could be.
Funny that no one has done it since roulette was invented then. The alternative explanation is by far the more plausible, ie, that no solution exists. The skeptics are right to be skeptical, particularly when those who claim winners feel the need to charge for the solution.
@ MIKE,
Sorry to contradict you, but I know there are lots of successful professional roulette players out there.
I am only a part time player and use a "Strategy" only to win. Hit & Run is my style. These pros. work to a plan or some formula of some sort. I know quite a few of them and they do not give anything away. Hope that will help you.
Quote from: Mike on September 26, 2010, 12:53:43 PM
Funny that no one has done it since roulette was invented then. The alternative explanation is by far the more plausible, ie, that no solution exists. The skeptics are right to be skeptical, particularly when those who claim winners feel the need to charge for the solution.
Consider this bit of timely logic then:
nolinks://blog.richmond.edu/physicsbunn/2009/01/27/what-is-probability/#comment-1731 (nolinks://blog.richmond.edu/physicsbunn/2009/01/27/what-is-probability/#comment-1731)
The comment at the bottom has been on this academic forum for almost a year now.
This is the age of the personal computer. I'm a programmer that has researched what is actually possible regarding Roulette. These computers have only been used like this for the past 20 to 30 years. There is anecdotal evidence that only a few have tried to use computers to find a system that beats Roulette, and of those that admit it only one has extensively researched randomness as the proper solution. But I have chosen not to publish my findings at this time. I have my reasons. I could though, any time I want I can drop a bomb on the gambling world. And I don't care that you and others like you are convinced that you understand my motivation. Where the heck where you when I started researching randomness? You people are still clueless.
Think about it! even Mother Theresa would not give away the winning system if it meant feeding the hungry. :-X
Quote from: CASINO-PLAYER link=topic=17026. msg120746#msg120746 date=1285517029
@ MIKE,
Sorry to contradict you, but I know there are lots of successful professional roulette players out there. These pros. work to a plan or some formula of some sort. I know quite a few of them and they do not give anything away.
Guilty as charged. .
Actually, a professional roulette player, like myself, is just
an amateur who didn't quit. . !
Anyone who claims to be a roulette "professional" is either a dreamer or a scammer. I admit the possibility there may be a few Advantage Players but no one can win long-term using math and statistics. If you are the person who left that comment Gizmotron it's not surprising you haven't had a reply, the real physics guys have obviously dismissed you as an idiot.
Quote from: Mike link=topic=17026. msg120752#msg120752 date=1285518535
Anyone who claims to be a roulette "professional" is either a dreamer or a scammer. I admit the possibility there may be a few Advantage Players but no one can win long-term using math and statistics. If you are the person who left that comment Gizmotron it's not surprising you haven't had a reply, the real physics guys have obviously dismissed you as an idiot.
Back up sonny, and let me make my money. . !
FYI, the best thing in every noble dream is the dreamer. .
Now, would you kindly elaborate on what an 'Advantage Player' is. . ?
Are they the same as 'Disadvantaged Gamblers' by any chance. . ?
lol
Roulette has being going on for over 200 years in it's current state.
So logically that means if a winning method exists, it has always existed for all that time.
So considering some people have spent their life studying the game, you have to say if there is a way, then surely someone has stumbled on it by now. Is it possible that maybe a few obscure people have took the secret to the grave with them prior to the boom of the internet. Nowadays there is as much disinformation floating about the net just to muddy the waters. Why would some people deem that necessary if there was nothing to worry about.
A lot of people have a vested interest in controlling your thoughts. Only the free thinkers would be able to work out what's what and they certainly would not share it with a bunch of parasites and vultures. In fact they would probably take the pi** like gizmotron does. But whatever floats your boat eh. :dance1:
"would you kindly elaborate on what an 'Advantage Player' is." >>> The question should be....IN THEORY, what is an advantage player? Ken
It does seem that there are opinions that have derived from some pot-smoking bar in here or children. They are certainly not based on facts from real casino situations. Many before me have said the posters here (and KEN) never grace a real casino. I am beginning to believe that.
Like I said....when I was banned at RF, I NEVER went back under a new name. Just not my thing I guess. Ken
Quote from: Mike on September 26, 2010, 01:28:55 PM
Anyone who claims to be a roulette "professional" is either a dreamer or a scammer. I admit the possibility there may be a few Advantage Players but no one can win long-term using math and statistics. If you are the person who left that comment Gizmotron it's not surprising you haven't had a reply, the real physics guys have obviously dismissed you as an idiot.
I wonder if that is the reason why they have not replied. The concept of Bayesian probability directly relates to temporary states of statistics.
"Frequentist inference is one of a number of possible ways of formulating generally applicable schemes for making statistical inferences: that is, for drawing conclusions from statistical samples. An alternative name is frequentist statistics. This is the inference framework in which the well-established methodologies of statistical hypothesis testing and confidence intervals are based. The main alternative approach to statistical inference is Bayesian inference,..."
Let's use your model for discussion: You are obviously an idiot for being a Frequentist.
Quote from: John Gold on September 26, 2010, 01:49:57 PM
Nowadays there is as much disinformation floating about the net just to muddy the waters. Why would some people deem that necessary if there was nothing to worry about.
Why do you assume that it's deliberate disinformation? in that case you must already believe that there are winning methods, but there is no evidence that any such thing exists. None, nada, zip, diddlysquat, not one iota of solid proof can be found, only what people claim. Where money is involved, rational thinking and common sense disappear, so you get people swearing that 2 + 2 doesn't equal 4. Maybe I misunderstood you, did you mean that the misinformation is that winning methods do exist, or that they don't?
nolinks://nolinks.information-management.com/news/7484-1.html (nolinks://nolinks.information-management.com/news/7484-1.html)
You need priors for Bayesian probabilitys to have any substance. If you have a sack of 50 red and 50 green apples and you after having taken 10 red apples out of the sack but at the same time a helper had added 10 red apples into the sack, your chance of picking a red or a green apple after 10 picks is still the same. The same goes for Roulette, hence Bayesian probabilitys shouldn`t even be mentioned except in situations discribed in the debate link, where you as a fact can rule out some numbers and that way change the probabilitys.
Gizmotron you are completely wrong. Whatever interpretation of probability you choose doesn't change the facts. Work through the math of any system and the results come out negative. All empirical data will confirm the theory. It doesn't matter what weird and wonderful criteria you use to select your bets. You fail to see the principle but are blinded by the endless possibilities which roulette seems to offer. Too bad.
Spot on, Kelly.
Bayesian probability is about using history to inform your next move. This doesn't apply to roulette because each spin is independent of the last. Are you trying to tell us that spins aren't independent????
NOT STARTING TROUBLE....but I have said it before. It seems that JUST BECAUSE 'John Doe' does not or can not win, that means NO ONE can win. Thats quite arrogant to think like that. These days, if you do 'well' playing (like myself) its almost embarrassing or I should be quiet about it or something. That is wrong and odd. Ken
Quote from: Mike on September 26, 2010, 02:44:29 PM
... but there is no evidence that any such thing exists. None, nada, zip, diddlysquat, not one iota of solid proof can be found, ...
Mike, not to worry. I fully intend at some point to completely provide you with that proof. Only you will get what you want right after it's too late to use it. BTW, it's exactly as it should be too. You will get treated exactly like you should have been. :lol:
No i am trying hard to tell people they ARE independent :)
Sorry, Kelly. I know what you meant. That last question was to Gizmotron.
No one disputes that someone can win for a long time, i have a friend who was successfully flatbetting with a profit on the even chances for 2 years before he wasn`t able to win anymore. The problems only starts when the claims of pros and holy grails (without backup and proof) comes on the table. If my friend had only been playing for 2 times a month instead of 6 times, he might still have been in profit. Instead he stopped being down 10K.
Quote from: Mr J on September 26, 2010, 02:55:42 PM
NOT STARTING TROUBLE....but I have said it before. It seems that JUST BECAUSE 'John Doe' does not or can not win, that means NO ONE can win. Thats quite arrogant to think like that.
What can I say? Math isn't arrogant. It is what it is. And I didn't just 'believe' the math, I did a huge amount of testing before I realised it was the truth, methods which I thought couldn't possibly lose given a big enough bankroll all tanked. Like I said before, you don't realise how random behaves until you look at it in the long-term, and you just don't see that by testing manually.
If you don't play very often, it's quite possible to be doing very well especially if you use an aggressive progression, because the sequences which kill you don't happen that often. And by the way, I found that it's better to be aggressive rather than use a very slow progression. If you have a 'hit and run' type of approach you might stay ahead your whole life, but it's still down to luck.
My point/question has always been the same. Putting all methods in the SAME grouping is nuts. I have a CAP per method. Not an overall CAP for roulette. Big difference. If a method is doing well for months and months (or years), why stop playing it? Yes, I agree it might tank but QUIT playing 'that' method before it tanks so you at least have some profit left over for all the time that person put into it. Ken
I have more 'real time' playing compared to other guys who only test. LISTEN GUYS....this is not as difficult a game to do 'well' as some make it out to be. I find it so easy sometimes, my way of thinking has been changing lately. How you ask? I'm actually getting too lazy to go to the casino, I have lost the 'challenge' instinct in me. These days, I find it too damn easy to win. Laugh if you want but I get BORED winning. Ken
If you play, you know very well that things go up and down. The question is always, why should I quit when im down ? Which I at some point WILL be if I keep playing. Once you get a little down, you promise yourself to quit next time you are up. After a while the "ups" are not bringing you back to break even because the house edge has nibbled the foundation in the up swings.
If that should be transferred to your play and you are up for 4 years, why don`t you quit now ? Since you don`t wanna quit when you are down.
PS: LOL, if you are getting bored winning, you might wanna up the stakes a bit. That should take the boredom out, trust me on that one.
For Mike and Kelly,
This is how it will go down in the near future. I will have provided enough people with a working application of reading randomness and using it to exploit obvious weaknesses and opportunities in any game of chance. That will then be explained with Bayesian and not Frequentist forms of statistical mathematics. You will be seen forever as having been wrong. This will also be a fact. The practical application of the concept will have been discovered before the mathematical solution for it. That will change the textbooks a little.
Yeah yeah gizmo, we are very patient. "Insert yawning smiley"
"Since you don`t wanna quit when you are down." >>> I dont agree, at least speaking for myself. I'll try and give an example.....Lets say over 'X' number of days playing a PARTICULAR method, I am up 10K. It starts to tank. I am not going to go -7K, thats a 17K swing. I might go down to +2K (and stop) or break even or even -2K is not terrible. Ken
Quote from: Kelly on September 26, 2010, 03:17:06 PM
If you play, you know very well that things go up and down. The question is always, why should I quit when im down ? Which I at some point WILL be if I keep playing. Once you get a little down, you promise yourself to quit next time you are up. After a while the "ups" are not bringing you back to break even because the house edge has nibbled the foundation in the up swings.
If that should be transferred to your play and you are up for 4 years, why don`t you quit now ? Since you don`t wanna quit when you are down.
Boy, are you in for a huge eye opening revelation. You believe that the trends of losing and winning exists yet you can't really believe that because all spins are independent events. What a clouded and obscured perspective. I can't wait for you to come to grips with the concept that you can control the outcome irregardless of the independent events. Oops, that's right, you just suggested that.
Quote from: Kelly on September 26, 2010, 03:02:36 PM
No one disputes that someone can win for a long time, I have a friend who was successfully flatbetting with a profit on the even chances for 2 years before he wasn`t able to win anymore. The problems only starts when the claims of pros and holy grails (without backup and proof) comes on the table. If my friend had only been playing for 2 times a month instead of 6 times, he might still have been in profit. Instead he stopped being down 10K.
I don't know why some of you guys keep getting into the same arguments with people who are just out to antagonize.
Ignoring someone worthy of hearing is an insult to them, speaking to someone unworthy of hearing is an insult to yourself. The truly wise neither lose companions, nor waste their words.
More realisticly is it that you go like
+2K then
-1K then
+3K then
-1 K then
-3K then
-1K then (promising yourself you will get out at +-0) then
-5K
At some point you will get out with a loss. If you play long enough. I don`t despite that you possibly is at + 3K now and find it boring that you can`t lose. I have seen enough of the inside of the casinos and players there to know that the real world is quite different.
PS: Gizmo, we are still waiting.........and waiting..........and waiting
PS: John Gold, you are quite right, but someone asked why this board was dead. I just wanted to show a little knee jerk, as they say.
Quote from: Kelly on September 26, 2010, 03:29:57 PM
I have seen enough of the inside of the casinos and players there to know that the real world is quite different.
The real world is about to change.
The posters are random ? Roulette is random. Randomness hold a secret that the posters here do not know.
The only defence they have is to trash my post. Why not, they have nothing else to do. Go for it you it and try to be as vitriolic as possible. I love it.
Anybody else here notice that Gizmo is almost completely math ignorant? He never ever talks about math, he understands nothing about it. What this means is he has no way to prove anything, only his incessant BS talk about what he can do and will do. He's the schoolyard braggart always talking about his fun summer vacation but never bringing the pictures to prove it. Now he'll say "Just wait, you'll all be sorry!"
Whatever. It would be comical if it wasn't so boring.
Quote from: cheese on September 26, 2010, 04:38:58 PM
Anybody else here notice that Gizmo is almost completely math ignorant? He never ever talks about math, he understands nothing about it. What this means is he has no way to prove anything, only his incessant BS talk about what he can do and will do. He's the schoolyard braggart always talking about his fun summer vacation but never bringing the pictures to prove it. Now he'll say "Just wait, you'll all be sorry!"
Whatever. It would be comical if it wasn't so boring.
Who cut the cheese?
Quote from: CASINO-PLAYER on September 26, 2010, 04:34:46 PM
The posters are random ? Roulette is random. Randomness hold a secret that the posters here do not know.
The only defence they have is to trash my post. Why not, they have nothing else to do. Go for it you it and try to be as vitriolic as possible. I love it.
CASINO-PLAYER, so you maintain that it's possible to get a real advantage using math and statistics?
Any apparent advantage is merely transient, that's the nature of randomness, sometimes it seems to follow a pattern, but the pattern has to exist in your mind before you notice it.
Have you ever read the book "Fooled By Randomness"?
I put it to anyone here who claims to win using math and statistics (assuming they aren't merely scammers), that they have been "Fooled By Randomness".
Of course it's unlikely the aforementioned will admit it, because more than almost anything else, people find it so important to be right, and hate to admit it when they are wrong. They see it as a weakness, but it's really a strength to admit you were wrong or just say "I don't know", and move on. Enough with the BS!
Quote from: Gizmotron on September 26, 2010, 04:46:01 PM
Who cut the cheese?
Here's the point. When Thorp wrote 'Beat the Dealer' and Brunson wrote his famous poker book, they were all about the math involved. Thats what every gambling system is based on, math. Gizmo has no idea what the math is for what he does (if he indeed does anything) so his book (which he'll never write) is a useless joke. To fully understand what you do, you have to understand the math inside and out and be able to explain why it works. Gizmo can do none of that. Case closed.
What`s the matter. Are all roulette forums kicking the bucket left and right? :skull: :diablo:
I can only contribute so much. I'm exhausted. :-X Ken
I agree :thumbsup: !!!
N.D.
The forum seems dead because...
Victor started a new one where all the enthusiastic and optimistic posters can now massage each other's ideas ad nauseum – not a bad thing.
Most of the long term members here don't particularly like each other, and at the very least can never agree on anything – people tire of arguing.
Steve made Mr j a mod – LOL.
The current ethos is one of take take take, so the vast majority of members just want a free ride and never intend to contribute anything at all – so be it.
And of course, Spike has disappeared and is no longer posting and holding captive his soapbox audience – come back Spike we miss you, and if you don't come back, then we hope you are well.
If the forum is dead anyway, then I have a suggestion...
We start a new thread called 'Bates Motel'. Norman Bates and Bates are the only members allowed to post for 1 week. Norman sustains his effort of posting inane bet arrangements, and Bates gets to slice them up with his mathematical analysis.
Oh, and the next member who says anything like, " This place sucks, this is my last post", and then posts again... gets banned! LOL
BOMBUS,
You are hitting the nail on the head. There are of course other factors you or
anyone with brains could make a huge list of.
I do not see anyone or actions that could lead to a recovery of this forum
It is a conmans paradise and an outlet for the likes of Ken to sell himself as something
he is not or ever will be.
Do you know HOW MANY POSTS HE DELETES?
"Do you know HOW MANY POSTS HE DELETES?" >>> Why dont you tell us. Are we counting the ones where you PROMOTED links? Ken
It is much the same members on all the forums. I dont see a lot of productive talk on any of the forums.
Instead of complaining about lack of content and quality discussions, people should actually contribute.
Bombus, ken being a mod pissed a lot of people off. But imo so far he hasnt done any unjustified moderating. I made him a mod because he's around enough, and I believe the man can make simple decisions to enforce simple rules, without letting his emotion get in the way. I can see everything anyone deletes. I have not seen one unjustified deletion from him. It is people's perception of him that lead to unjustified remarks about him, same with me.
Casino-player, ken has barely removed anything. Like when I became admin, people's mere perceptions changed things. If that's how it is, so be it. And casino-player if by saying "it's a conman's paradise" you are referring to me, then why are you here? Why bother?
It's a simple fact that all I do here is enforce the rules as admin. The rules are simple and fair, just like any other forum. When people complain about nothing happening, they forget they the members are responsible for the content.
Casino-player, based on your IP, you are someone else under a fake name. You were banned before, and I've now banned you again. Please dont keep coming back.
PS - one of the reason a forum can become quiet is because certain things are not tolerated. How much activity on all the forums are just bickering and nonsense? How much is actually productive? Consider that. Consider what removal of repeat offenders does, and removal of members which removes undue conflict will do to any forum where it is so prevalent. Better to have fewer discussions that just garbage.
Not to mention (NO, I AM NOT BRAGGING) the amount of time I have put in on 8 different boards in the last month. There are a TON of threads hopping because I got the boards a bit more interested. Ken
Quote from: Steve on September 27, 2010, 04:07:33 AM
Bombus, ken being a mod pissed a lot of people off. ...
Not me! :)
I was joking about the Mr j mod thing... actually my whole post was a bit of a joke, sorry.
So what does 'Bombus' really mean? I cant die unless i know.
I think I asked that as well......
Quote from: bombus on September 27, 2010, 04:22:26 AM
Not me! :)
I was joking about the Mr j mod thing... actually my whole post was a bit of a joke, sorry.
Except the bit about hoping Spike is well. I meant that bit.
On the note of different forums, I run vls and rf much the same way. I dont tolerate the cr*p and the rules are enforced. This means there is less activity, but it's overall of a higher quality. I could let the forum run losse, then it's be a real buzz of activity, but that's not what I want. This overall is better for the forum but it takes longer to build a member base of good members contributing good content.
GG is relatively unmoderated, but it's a closed forum so everyone puts up with each other's stuff. The only new posters are mark howe's 100's of aliases from when he hacked the forum, and they are used to attack me. lucky me.
At Victor's new forum, he;'s building and allowing absolute scammers to lurk there. There really are too many to mention. But one is alabalah who first joined rf saying roulette cant be beaten, then he claimed to have the hg for sale, then it all fell apart for him. I gave him ample opportunity but he raised every red flag and in the end it became nauseatingly obvious what he was. Allowing that kind of person to conduct a scam on his forum is Victor's business, but I wont let that kind of trash go on here even if it means the forum is overall quieter.
Quote from: Steve on September 27, 2010, 04:27:12 AM
So what does 'Bombus' really mean? I cant die unless I know.
nolinks://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:e7KSPbd8pFQJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee+bombus+flight&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au (nolinks://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:e7KSPbd8pFQJ:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumblebee+bombus+flight&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au)
.. and so the great mystery is solved. Well, it has been a great life, see you all on the other side.. well not ALL of you.
I don't agree the forum is dead. the forum is very much alive. and people do keep posting. If the forum were dead nobody actually would reply in this thread. And very much so with other threads. If there were any. but every time there lots of unread posts when I come, and that's a fact. Despite some claims the forum is dead.
Some people do WISH it was dead, but wishing and facing the reality is not the same thing.
. . . i wonder if the state of Gamblers Glen is on peoples minds. It does seem to be heading toward oblivion,still Alan Fischer has it coming after giving Spike in particular a free rein. I do think the mods on this board should research GG a little,Spike Gizmotron & Nathan detroit are 100% spoilers
Spike and Gizmotron say you can beat roulette and were "spoilers". Others like myself and Jean-Claude say you can't and we are also accused of being "spoilers". I guess the happy medium is the agnostics. :D
"Spike Gizmotron & Nathan detroit are 100% spoilers" >>> What the heck does that mean? Ken
Spike Gizmotron & Nathan detroit are 100% spoilers" >>> What the heck does that mean? Ken
. . . a polite way of saying c**ts.
Spikes crap on GG speaks for itself.
Gizmotron
quote
"I once built a complex simulation to test for the extremely rare situation and how often that would occur. I could do this for you privately. It might be something you would like an answer to. Computers are excellent for figuring things out. I would keep the result private. Just in case you are interested. "
I'm not explaining that to you.
Nathan Detroit
in answer to the sobs of wheres Spike
"i do hope hes not unwell"
Sycophant or what
Whether you believe that there is a way to beat Roulette or not, you are right!
Quote from: mrlucky1933 on October 01, 2010, 01:15:31 PM
. . . I wonder if the state of Gamblers Glen is on peoples minds. It does seem to be heading toward oblivion,still Alan Fischer has it coming after giving Spike in particular a free rein. I do think the mods on this board should research GG a little,Spike Gizmotron & Nathan detroit are 100% spoilers
I'm talking reading randomness. And while doing that it causes many here to flip out. That's their fault, not mine. But I also help people with their questions. I even go as far as to build simulators so that others here can see the results of their ideas. I do this despite people like you that are clearly only here to make trouble. Pot, Kettle, Black, funny how that often happens.
if we are talking about scammers, then why the hell is gizmo here ?
he tries selling anything everywhere, when i first came on, there he was trieing to sell me something.
gizmo dosent contrabute, he calls people names and yet no one repeorts him, why the hell is he here ?
maybe you would like to answer that steve.
In my opinion he is a scammer running around loss and you still let him run around, check his posts.
I've spent four years posting around here. It was only in the past six months that I finally got tired of being accused of never sharing my secrets. So I offered a real opportunity to get something I consider valuable. I did it to prove I could share it in the open. But that fact is lost on you. All you see is another scammer. Well tough shit. I came to the table. I did stand up for it. In a short while I'm going to prove it too. That will be phase two of showing that I stand behind my knowledge. When I get done with all this you will be in the archives of this forum as a classic flat earth moron. You just don't rate spoiling the party to please you. All you have is your assumptions. I can plow you under any time I want to. I've just chosen to do this my way.
Quote from: darrynf on February 13, 2011, 11:12:45 PM
if we are talking about scammers, then why the hell is gizmo here ?
he tries selling anything everywhere, when I first came on, there he was trieing to sell me something.
gizmo dosent contrabute, he calls people names and yet no one repeorts him, why the hell is he here ?
maybe you would like to answer that Steve.
In my opinion he is a scammer running around loss and you still let him run around, check his posts.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 13, 2011, 11:54:53 PM
I've spent four years posting around here. It was only in the past six months that I finally got tired of being accused of never sharing my secrets. So I offered a real opportunity to get something I consider valuable. I did it to prove I could share it in the open. But that fact is lost on you. All you see is another scammer. Well tough shit. I came to the table. I did stand up for it. In a short while I'm going to prove it too. That will be phase two of showing that I stand behind my knowledge. When I get done with all this you will be in the archives of this forum as a classic flat earth moron. You just don't rate spoiling the party to please you. All you have is your assumptions. I can plow you under any time I want to. I've just chosen to do this my way.
you cant prove jack mate, thats why you keep babbling, there you go again calling me names, you are a joke gizmo, no one takes you seriously, im surprised no one has band you for selling nothing, worthless info.
you never said anything to me apart from offering to teach me fortoo much money, you have nothing on here to back your self up, you are just words, wheres your proff, I know you dont have to prove anything to anyone and that would be fine by me but its the fact you call people names and put people down, you just seem fake and i have no idea why you are even here.
@gizmo,
personaly i dont care how many years you have been here posting, YOU ARE THE BIGGEST SCAMMER HERE, and yet you come up with all the excusses.
whats a matter gizmo, im not going to roll over for you, what really anoys me about you is that you call people names and on top of that you babble.
you are a fake, you dont have a winning system and if you did you wouldnt be here.
theres nothing about you that is truthful, you are the biggest scammer here and i still dont know why you are here :nono: :nono:
@gizmo,
if you have been here for 4 years, then why the hell have you decided to show (if thats what you call it, but you wont) your wins now ?
4 years, you are the biggest fake here, bigger then phase 2, you shouldnt even be here.
but anyway you are here (still dont get it), you will speak your babble and sound like you are from the mid century (how come you decided to change), shwo something that means nothing if not that then excusses.
The first casino in Holland started here in Zandvoort about 35 years ago. From the beginning I am a enthusiast gambler.The PC makes it possible to analyse random rows. My first programs I have made on the commodor 64.The PC has changed a lot .
On the forum I give my advice and critical comments.In the meantime I am an old man with a lot of experience.I will not take this all in my grave.
I will share my experience with new starting interested rouletteplayers and also warning for the risk.Roulette can be a dangerous game.
I've dealt with con artists for 40+ years of investing in stocks, commodities, real estate, rare coins, antiques, auctions, and gambling. With Roulette it's so easy to verify if a person is for real or a con artist - just take my little test; demo your system/skills in real time right here.
Here are the instructions:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/if-you-want-to-demonstrate-your-system-in-public/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/if-you-want-to-demonstrate-your-system-in-public/)
Simple as pie and then folks can find out who is real and who is a phony.
Until a live demo is performed I just assume folks are blowing smoke and listening to them will just get you into trouble. John Gold took my challenge, heck he created it, and is someone I pay attention to now on this website.
Join him, it's really lonely here..............
P.S.
The excuses offered as to why someone can't demo in real time are just hilarious - I'm writing them down in a journal of crazy things folks do and may publish this later. There are NO excuses why you can't demo your skills/system in real time except your phoniness.....
Maui's:English is not my first language.I don`t understand every thing what you write.At the hand you give no answers on my guestions.I asked you the difference between a live wheel and a fair RNG.I will demonstrate my way of wagering to every well interested people.
I invite you for a Private demonstration.
I wrote before my computer crashed on your link.
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 14, 2011, 10:22:57 AM
The excuses offered as to why someone can't demo in real time are just hilarious - I'm writing them down in a journal of crazy things folks do and may publish this later. There are NO excuses why you can't demo your skills/system in real time except your phoniness.....
Look, your plea, your formidable request, whatever it is, I get it. Had I never gained the experience of teaching I would have never learned first hand that I can demonstrate my abilities in real time using your requirements. They are real enough to prevent cheating. I have learned first hand that what I do is almost impossible to figure out if not explaining each decision. I'll deliberately jump around with different flat bets. So I agree with you. There are excuses though. My internet connection will still be in 1% mode for at least two more weeks. But hey, I need to practice from that site so that I can keep up with chat and the on-line casino in enough time.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on February 14, 2011, 10:52:48 AM
Maui's:English is not my first language.I don`t understand every thing what you write.At the hand you give no answers on my guestions.I asked you the difference between a live wheel and a fair RNG.I will demonstrate my way of wagering to every well interested people.
I invite you for a Private demonstration.
I wrote before my computer crashed on your link.
A live wheel and a RNG are two completely different things.
The reason the PowerBall lottery used ping-pong balls with numbers on them is to show there is no cheating.
I know of no "certification" for a RNG - it can be rigged and it would take tens/hundreds of thousands of spins to check it out.
We have live spinning Roulette wheels that are the closest we have to an unbiased wheel - that's my choice for a Roulette test.
I have written RNGs, when I used to own a software company, and I know just how easy it is to insert bias - easy as pie.....
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 14, 2011, 11:55:48 AM
Look, your plea, your formidable request, whatever it is, I get it. Had I never gained the experience of teaching I would have never learned first hand that I can demonstrate my abilities in real time using your requirements. They are real enough to prevent cheating. I have learned first hand that what I do is almost impossible to figure out if not explaining each decision. I'll deliberately jump around with different flat bets. So I agree with you. There are excuses though. My internet connection will still be in 1% mode for at least two more weeks. But hey, I need to practice from that site so that I can keep up with chat and the on-line casino in enough time.
I live in a world where excuses mean nothing - they don't pay the bills, allow me to shop, or have any fun. Excuses are meant to be overcome - that's my advice....
MauiS: On a dutch forum I also have published rigid pseudoRNGs.I did hide an extra number.The RNG showed only numbers 0-36.A much bigger problem is ,if the software is manipulated.It is easy to program the software so the result depends on the wager or the profit.A live ball has no memory software has.you and I do not trust the RNG roulette.The casino is only interested in software with a higher profit for the casino.Then it is easy to understand successful wagering is more complicated.On a manipulated RNG it is more difficult so play successful.
In spite of these facts I dare to demonstrate my strategy in public
Quote from: schoenpoetser on February 14, 2011, 06:43:39 PM
MauiS: On a dutch forum I also have published rigid pseudoRNGs.I did hide an extra number.The RNG showed only numbers 0-36.A much bigger problem is ,if the software is manipulated.It is easy to program the software so the result depends on the wager or the profit.A live ball has no memory software has.you and I do not trust the RNG roulette.The casino is only interested in software with a higher profit for the casino.Then it is easy to understand successful wagering is more complicated.On a manipulated RNG it is more difficult so play successful.
In spite of these facts I dare to demonstrate my strategy in public
Not sure what all this means - you gamble at a B&M casino or on the internet. Both offer spinning balls and RNGs.
The spinning ball can't be forecasted and the RNG can be - but why would a casino want to mess around and do that?
I've never heard of ANY person demonstrating that a RNG was rigged at ANY casino - supply a link if you know of one.
Unless proof can be offered we must assume the casinos are happy with their built in profit and the game is fair to play. If you argue against this you've go to back it up with some kind of proof to be believed.
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 14, 2011, 06:58:04 PM
I've never heard of ANY person demonstrating that a RNG was rigged at ANY casino - supply a link if you know of one.
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/ (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/)*documented*-proof-of-cheating-rng-software/
Quote from: xman1970 on February 14, 2011, 07:42:52 PM
nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/ (nolinks://rouletteforum.cc/online-gaming/)*documented*-proof-of-cheating-rng-software/
This looks like a UFO chat room - I mean a link form some kind of new agency, like ABC, CNN, NBC, etc - someone besides a UFO convention.
A Vegas newspaper would do fine - I'm sure it would make it there if it could be verified as actually have happened.
And something newer than 2004.
I await another link.....
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 14, 2011, 07:47:20 PM
This looks like a UFO chat room - I mean a link form some kind of new agency, like ABC, CNN, NBC, etc - someone besides a UFO convention.
A Vegas newspaper would do fine - I'm sure it would make it there if it could be verified as actually have happened.
And something newer than 2004.
I await another link.....
that link is from ANOTHER roulette forum.........
do with it what you wish, I was just trying to help...... ;)
shame on me right ?
Quote from: xman1970 on February 14, 2011, 07:50:08 PM
that link is from ANOTHER roulette forum.........
do with it what you wish, I was just trying to help...... ;)
shame on me right ?
I just did a Google search on "Roulette wheel tampering" and I get the typical ads for making a zillion dollars on Roulette. I just don't see any credible links to any news story about casinos cheating with bogus Roulette wheels.
In fact the Google SER page looks like my spam mailbox - UFO stuff.
Guys, there is no evidence anywhere that bogus Roulette wheels are used in casinos.
Maybe in the back room of a Chicago gambling hall but not Fortune 500 type companies.
You asked about RNG n I supplied you with a link, which you ignored......
You have now changed it to "roulette wheels" etc etc.....
I can think of better ways to waste my time...... :good:
gl 8)
Quote from: xman1970 on February 14, 2011, 08:00:49 PM
You asked about RNG n I supplied you with a link, which you ignored......
You have now changed it to "roulette wheels" etc etc.....
I can think of better ways to waste my time...... :good:
gl 8)
Just did a Google search "RNG casino cheating" and got the same UFO sites as Roulette wheels.
There are no links except to UFO sites - all bogus.
Supply a link written by a credible news service if you can.
You can't - this is all mumbo jumbo about absolutely nothing.
Only UFO nuts believe Roulette wheels or RNGs are tampered with in casinos - why on earth would a casino do so?
All rubbish....
why wouldnt they ?
its possible for rng online to be rigged, im not saying it is or it isnt, no doub some will be.
as for live wheels, i could only presume they arnt rigged, if the casinos boot you out for making to much money then i dout wheels are rigged.
the dealer can change the way he plays but that wont make any difference, in fact it could make you win.
anyway i thought this was about forums being dead, is it really ?
i would say slow not dead, and there are some twisted people here lol
any i dont think live wheels are rigged but rng im not sure, its hard to beat anyway and people think they have something then it losses then they think it cheats, i dont think they need to cause its random and you cant predict the future.
anyway thats my 2 cents
MauiS reply 77:
I thought you did not trust the software of RNG roulette.Now you write the contrary.I cannot prove RNGs are manipulated.I play RNG very often and I have gathered a number of very suspected displays.Playing Martingale on the even chances rows of 12 and more occurred too much.
Why are you suspicious when I demonstrate strategies on a RNG casino of my choice while you don`t trust the software of the casinos.I play RNG because I can handle the speed of the spins.The live roulette's are too slow and most the time to place your units is too short.Everybody is invited anytime to watch a demonstration.
Don`t waste your time searching all roulette sites for a Holy Grail
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 14, 2011, 10:33:23 PM
Only UFO nuts believe Roulette wheels or RNGs are tampered with in casinos - why on earth would a casino do so?
All rubbish....
The rng's i played (like playtech and microgaming) are rigged...no question about it.
You can check it for yourself very easely.
On a 36 number roulette bet on 34 numbers and see how much the 2 numbers drop that you don't have covered. Then after a couple of spins pick 2 other oncovered numbers and see how much they drop.
Put 10c on number 1 and 1euro on all other numbers...spin for an hour and see how many 1's will drop...then change that number and spin for an hour....same will happen again and again.
Also I can predict rng's...and i can make numbers appear and dissapear....problem is i can't make money of that by fair betting.
Trust me on my command i can make it drop black 80%...just by betting progressive on red....I can make zero's appear 4 times an hour and i can make the zero dissapear. Just bet progressive on black/red, odd/even en zero will come at least 4 times an hour every hour. Then bet on zero and see how long you have to wait for it.
Also i have printcreens of things like number 22 spinning 7 times in 14 spins....9 reds, a zero, 9reds in a row and that 3 times in 1 hour...etc etc....things i never seen on a live roulette with anyone. All the people i ask in real life and on forums etc never ever have seen this to.
I'm so sure that it's rigged that i want to make some bets....on a 36 number wheel i cover 33 numbers for 10 spins. Everytime i win (with the 33 numbers covered) the money is yours...everytime i loose (with the 3 uncovered numbers) you give me 10euro.
Also i bet 100 euro i can make the zero appear 4 times an hour every hour.
Rng is nothing more then a cartoon (just like online slots) and has nothing to to with picking random numbers....it looks at your bets and most of all your bankroll.
Now i play roulettepinball...that's random for real...whahahahahaha.
This Roulette chat room and all the others have folks wanting to believe in things that are not true - this is a mystery to me; in order to magically break Roulette you must believe in magical things I guess is the answer.
Anyone can make a claim about anything - its bogus unless you can prove it.
Just saying that casino management would gladly risk their freedom from prison in order to make their stockholders a few more pennies is totally insane. If they did cheat for the stockholders the stockholders would find out and sue the casino out of existence and see to it that management went to prison.
You guys have been watching too many gangster movies - every casino in Vegas is owned by a Fortune 500 company and is audited all the time and Vegas police and the Vegas Gaming Commission and probably all kinds of federal agencies with too much time on their hands.
You offer no proof to your claims and thus get lumped into UFO sightings - you know the kind, where lots of believers see UFOs everyday but somehow their cell phone cameras never seem to work or are always out of focus.
This goes for all the wild claims of seeing patterns in random numbers - crazy talk with nothing to back it up.
At least UFO tall tails are kind of interesting, fixed RNGs, fixed Roulette wheels, and patterns in random numbers are totally boring.
Not one of you can supply any link to anything but UFO sites to backup anything you say - not one of you.
Why folks want to believe this dribble is beyond me - but many of you believe in civilizations capable of interstellar travel bumbling around earth, like the 3 Stooges, is just as crazy....
It is very cheap to write Harald and I see UFO`s on the PC.The displays of the RNG gives real results not illusions.
The suspected displays are not a proof the RNG is rigged.Therefor are the samples too small.You are blind for these matters.
Have the courage to watch a demonstration.On SKYPE I can tell you when I suspect the results of the RNG.
One successful demonstration is also not a proof I can beat the Roulette.
I am very realistic about playing roulette.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on February 15, 2011, 09:54:43 AM
It is very cheap to write Harald and I see UFO`s on the PC.The displays of the RNG gives real results not illusions.
The suspected displays are not a proof the RNG is rigged.Therefor are the samples too small.You are blind for these matters.
Have the courage to watch a demonstration.On SKYPE I can tell you when I suspect the results of the RNG.
One successful demonstration is also not a proof I can beat the Roulette.
I am very realistic about playing roulette.
My suggestion is to call NBC, CBS, ABC, BSNBC, and Fox and sell them your story - RNG's are rigged in the millions of gaming machines (slot machines) and that you just want the movie rights to the story.
That would be far more productive than running a test that proves absolutely nothing.
You need to take a live Roulette machine, from a live casino, and demonstrate that in 100,000 spins the numbers don't follow 1/37, and even there the results are too small to stand up to any kind of scrutiny. That means 2,702 Green 0s will show up as well as 1,2..36. Now if 2,722 show up what does that mean? Or 2,692?
You would need a mathematician to certify, and place his professional reputation on the line, that the RNG is biased.
That will never happen, there is NO need for casinos to cheat - they already turn lead into gold every day of the year.....
P.S.
If a mathematician could ever prove that the RNGs in the slot machines are biased then that mathematician would be set for life - his own reality show, book deals, movie deals, zillions in endorsements.
I'll keep a sharp eye out for a mathematician on the next box of Wheaties I buy.....
I'm telling you guys - the money is in UFO stories not RNG stories.....
I gave some methods to check for your self. Why not try it? Serious.
Like I said I played it a lot. And on rng things happen that never ever happen on a real wheel. I did some sessions just to proof it was not random. And trust me I could steer numbers and colors like a car. Before I start a session the goal was let's say to make zero's appear. And trust me they did. For me that was solid proof. More solid then any other proof that it is random.
7 times number 22 in 14 spins....9reds a zero 9reds in a row and that 3 times in 1 hour. What proof do you need more that this is not a random thing? It reacts on your betting. Please try what I said instead of reacting like the world ends.
You want proof than proof it for yourself...like I said make the zero appear and dissappear. Just bet 1 hour on red/black, od/even etc....count the minimum of 4 zero's you get in the hour every hour...then make the same bets but cover the zero....then count the zero's again....do this at will at any time any place.....do it left to right and back to front.....the results are always the same.
Pick any number and count how many times it wil drop in 20/50/200 spins...then bet on all numbers but that number and spin again 20/50/200 spins....see how many times that number will drop....it is realy to silly for words...and no better proof then that.....trust me....do this today at 21.00 hours...do it again tommorrow...do it again in 3 days etc etc...you will always have the same results. Make it funny and start with number 1 and after 50 spins number 2 etc etc....see how it climbs with you before your own eyes.
Or try this....want a row of reds a zero and a row of reds again? Just bet progressive on black. Then try to get them again by betting progressive on red. Try 10 times with progression on black and then 10 times with progression on red. I'm sure you will see what I mean. Do this again from back to front and from left to right...do it in the morning and in the evening...do it naked and do it on 1 leg...results are always the same...why?
You can make this very black and white...and instead of puting words in other peoples mounths you also can ask what they mean with rigged. I never said there's a person behind the rng that's pushing buttons to cheat. Or hidden magnets or whatever. But I know for 100% rng are not random....again they react to your bets and bankroll. Trust me I don't say this after I got 5 reds in a row and lost 50c....I don't scream 'cheat cheat cheat' after 4 same numbers drop in a row. I don't cry if I lose 100 euro at a roulette.
I'm a very sceptic person....if I see it I believe it...not a second sooner. I don't believe in ufo's or in a god...I do believe in nature and rigged rng's...because I see it...not once not twice but over and over again....and with me many many others. I also play live roulette wheel and on real roulette's in casino....all that time I never ever see things that happens on rng's....I asked a lot of people and they say the same...so for me the proof is real proof. And no1 has ever given proof that rng are random...so can you understand that for me the proof is solid? Just like you I believe myself. Only I have proof that I share. Most people who say otherwise never share their proof...why?
If people give you proof, or better yet a way of proving for yourself, then why start talking about ufo's. Why not try the proof instead? Oh and if you do try the proof I gave then remember you must ofcourse play for money....playing funmode is not the same. I smiled a lot of times when I found out that a lot of people who claim it's random and made money of it haven't played for real money....or made 1c bets and after winning 10 rounds they say its fair, their system works 100% and they made 10 units profit in 1 hour. Play for money and it's a different ballgame. No matter what you do in the beginning you win a little...then the rng software kicks in....try it....make the zero appear and dissapear....bet all but 1 number and make it appear more then any other time...see for yourself....if that's not proof then what is? And why would so many people say this? What do they gain from that? Ego boost? Come on...I presume were adults here.
If I see the reaction of some to the word rigged I want to say, to make it clear, I don't wanna attack any1 or something...but english is not my native tounge...so maby sometimes the words sounds harder or angrier then I mean. But I hope you understand that again for me the proof is solid...and all that are on the other side of the conversation are mostly not willing to try it....3 people did try it....2 said that they now also had the proof...the other I never heard of again....and he was always in attackmode and only tried it to proof me wrong....so if I was wrong he would be the first to put it on the forum...but not a word.
So again I would like to ask the people who think rng's are random to try the things I said. If you don't and don't have any proof that rng's are random and only go on attackmode with things like seeing ufo's and call me cheap then I can't take you serious on this...and I'm sure with me a lot of others.
Oh and another thing...I only try to warn others...again I have no gain from this and I don't need an ego boost....what's your motive? Seriously. I'm trying to warn others for my mistakes with real time findings. Are you trying to help others to make money on rng's? If so then please help me :give_rose: And if you can give me real proof that rng's are random then I'm the first here to eat my previous words and admit that I was wrong. But till then please think about what the result can be if people believe 1 or the other.....if people believe me, and lot's of others, they save money 100%....if people believe the very small group of people who say it's fair and random then they have a very big change of losing money.
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 15, 2011, 10:30:48 AM
P.S.
If a mathematician could ever prove that the RNGs in the slot machines are biased then that mathematician would be set for life - his own reality show, book deals, movie deals, zillions in endorsements.
I'll keep a sharp eye out for a mathematician on the next box of Wheaties I buy.....
What about science? You like stories like that? Stories that involve math and technique for dealing with complex decisions. Try looking into Analytic Hierarchy Process (AHP). There is a science that exists that only needs a small nudge from me to see it take off. You see, they only see a value in fields such as government, business, industry, healthcare, and education for it. They just have not imagined it yet. All they need is a nudge. I'm thinking that between Bayesian probability and things like this it won't be long now. Perhaps I should drop my logic bomb, as I have always threatened to do. That would bring the forums back to life.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 15, 2011, 03:41:57 PM
What about science? You like stories like that? Stories that involve math and technique for dealing with complex decisions. Try looking into Analytic Hierarchy Process (AHP). There is a science that exists that only needs a small nudge from me to see it take off. You see, they only see a value in fields such as government, business, industry, healthcare, and education for it. They just have not imagined it yet. All they need is a nudge. I'm thinking that between Bayesian probability and things like this it won't be long now. Perhaps I should drop my logic bomb, as I have always threatened to do. That would bring the forums back to life.
Go for it - nuke the gaming industry.
(Let me know a few hours before so I can short gaming stocks and make a killing)....
always insightful isnt he,
though i have no idea what that has to do with roulette.
Gizmotron, u sure can talk a talk, but can u walk a walk? Why u don't make some public sessions -- teamviewer,
chat, skype, whatever. And prove to many skeptics that u can walk a walk too. We just hear from u about some
"logic", "reading randomness", "teaching students", a we have never seen any results. Maybe u r right about your abilities, but some people deny them. So why don't u prove them? only talking the talk. i can get some random numbers, be it random.org or live wheels. let's see how can u win.
your call
Quote from: iggiv on February 20, 2011, 12:24:05 PM
Gizmotron, u sure can talk a talk, but can u walk a walk? Why u don't make some public sessions -- teamviewer,
chat, skype, whatever. And prove to many skeptics that u can walk a walk too. We just hear from u about some
"logic", "reading randomness", "teaching students", a we have never seen any results. Maybe u r right about your abilities, but some people deny them. So why don't u prove them? only talking the talk. I can get some random numbers, be it random.org or live wheels. let's see how can u win.
...your call
I'm working on it. For the last two years many here have said that you can't read randomness. So I'm just about to set up a free school of reading randomness right here. I'm even giving my software tool away for free too. Some people will only need this to get going. But most of you are still going to lose, even knowing how to read randomness. But the discussion over it being something that is possible or not will be laid to rest once and for all.
So what am I going to get from those math oriented types that insisted that reading randomness is not possible?
that would be great, Gizmo. myself i am not sure. Maybe u r right who knows. I am looking forward to see (and myabe learn) in practice
what u call "reading randomness"
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 20, 2011, 01:28:32 PM
I'm working on it. For the last two years many here have said that you can't read randomness. So I'm just about to set up a free school of reading randomness right here. I'm even giving my software tool away for free too. Some people will only need this to get going. But most of you are still going to lose, even knowing how to read randomness. But the discussion over it being something that is possible or not will be laid to rest once and for all.
So what am I going to get from those math oriented types that insisted that reading randomness is not possible?
If you can convince me that random numbers have patterns that can be used to forecast future events beyond a 50/50 chance I will send you $100 in Outback Gift Certificates! Dinner is on me. But I'm going to play 2 hours or 100 spins here live on live TV Roulette, using your techniques, and must make at least a $1 profit with play money.
You have my word on this......
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 20, 2011, 05:05:30 PM
If you can convince me that random numbers have patterns that can be used to forecast future events beyond a 50/50 chance ...
BOY! "You are going to have to get your mind right." "What we have here is a failure to communicate."
I'll try again. You can't use trends to predict, forecast, or even expect an outcome. In reality, all you have is a bet selection and then a unique independent outcome. You don't win because you have changed those odds. So dinner is completely out of the question at this point.
Got it yet? Try to remember it. It will make all your sophistry far more interesting.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 20, 2011, 05:57:51 PM
BOY! "You are going to have to get your mind right." "What we have here is a failure to communicate."
I'll try again. You can't use trends to predict, forecast, or even expect an outcome. In reality, all you have is a bet selection and then a unique independent outcome. You don't win because you have changed those odds. So dinner is completely out of the question at this point.
Got it yet? Try to remember it. It will make all your sophistry far more interesting.
I hope making a $1 profit in 2 hours or 100 spins is still the definition of "winning system".
Maybe I assumed too much?
M-S, I'm not sure what you might have assumed. There was a member here named Spike. He called it making an educated guess. The concept was then known as "Educated Guessing." It's a good stab at "decision analysis." DA is a known concept, the term decision analysis was coined in 1964 by Ronald A. Howard.
You don't change the odds. You change your play. I call it "Play Management." Unless it has already come up. I coined the concept a few days ago on just a few forums, including this one. Why don't you research that. I might not have coined that one. It's not "player management," that would be a different concept, like managing players on a team. And it's not like play "Management" like in playing games that have to do with management.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 20, 2011, 06:18:39 PM
M-S, I'm not sure what you might have assumed. There was a member here named Spike. He called it making an educated guess. The concept was then known as "Educated Guessing." It's a good stab at "decision analysis." DA is a known concept, the term decision analysis was coined in 1964 by Ronald A. Howard.
You don't change the odds. You change your play. I call it "Play Management." Unless it has already come up. I coined the concept a few days ago on just a few forums, including this one. Why don't you research that. I might not have coined that one. It's not "player management," that would be a different concept, like managing players on a team. And it's not like play "Management" like in playing games that have to do with management.
I don't know anything about subjective Roulette playing - I'm guessing that's what most folks do when they wander into the Roulette area - WAG - Wild Ass Guess.
There is no way to teach or pass on subjective betting or investing - everyone has their own "gut feelings" and I've never heard of anyone teaching "gut feelings".
Oh, well I guess my $100 is safe in my wallet....
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 20, 2011, 06:28:44 PM
There is no way to teach or pass on subjective betting or investing - ...
Yet here I am. You need proof or you are not going to waste your time. That's pretty thin. What I do has a value that demands that it be kept to just an elite few. If it gets out like counting cards was then it will effect a change in the way casinos allow its use. If play management is the solution then it will have thousands of books written about it. I know how many years went into reaching this point. You don't. For all I know you really are here to find a system that works. Could you be that inexperienced? You say you owe this form of entertainment to your self and your grand list of life experiences.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 20, 2011, 06:42:57 PM
Yet here I am. You need proof or you are not going to waste your time. That's pretty thin. What I do has a value that demands that it be kept to just an elite few. If it gets out like counting cards was then it will effect a change in the way casinos allow its use. If play management is the solution then it will have thousands of books written about it. I know how many years went into reaching this point. You don't. For all I know you really are here to find a system that works. Could you be that inexperienced? You say you owe this form of entertainment to your self and your grand list of life experiences.
Teaching subjective knowledge is 100% dependent on the student. Try teaching oil painting to someone like me who has problems drawing stick figures.
Or, trying to teach me how to play the piano is a waste of time - I have no musical talent.
Trying to teach someone to be a gambler is going to be 100% dependent on that student. I've never met natural gamblers but I believe they probably exist somewhere.
Good luck teaching gambling that is 100% subjective to folks like me - you will get nowhere fast.
A natural born gambler doesn't heed your help.....
Gizmo, why waist time on some unproductive theory arguments? Better show us something real, concrete.
Sorry i don't mean to push u, your right is to argue as much as u want, i am just curious. U say u gonna
make a school for reading randomness, go ahead! If not a school, then at least give some examples, give some concrete ideas instead of arguing with people which don't trust u. Let's make something real useful and concrete out of all this.
deal?
so much time spent on useless arguments. Reply with something REAL bud! If u say that u can :clapping: