Beware, people. I challenged Grant to a test in real time on Dublin with two witnesses and he agreed to it and then almost immediately pulled his post and closed the thread. DO NOT TRUST THIS SCAMMER!
you should ask super-roulette, not Grant
Quote from: Spike on July 04, 2009, 04:50:25 AM
Beware, people. I challenged Grant to a test in real time on Dublin with two witnesses and he agreed to it and then almost immediately pulled his post and closed the thread. DO NOT TRUST THIS SCAMMER!
Spike I asked Tom to close the thread and he obliged. I have offered a trial and received no response.
Tom does not receive anything from me for openly discussing his results and the tirade of abuse that has been directed his way is unwarranted and unfair.
Matt
tirade of abuse that has been directed his way is unwarranted and unfair.>>
All I know is he agreed to a fair test and then pulled his post and closed the thread. What am I supposed to assume from that?
Just another scam..
Quote from: Spike on July 04, 2009, 06:24:55 AM
All I know is he agreed to a fair test and then pulled his post and closed the thread. What am I supposed to assume from that?
Just another scam..
Spike, yes I can see why that looks a little smelly, happily agreeing to a test and then locking the thread, but it was only because I asked him to.
As I mentioned my offer of a second independent trial fell on deaf ears...it is not like I am trying to deceive anyone.
Matt
In my book this bot has been classified as a very high risk investment. It was tested by a moderator over many many months and shown to be a failure. Twocat lost money that to some would be a considerable amount. I don't need to test the bot to know it won't win consistently, that has already been done and the results are in. But now you're trying to blame these losses on a faulty internet connection. I followed Twocat's tests. I looked at the graphs. The drawdowns from the systems, in terms of units, are crazy and if the systems were to be tested in the public area they would be scrapped as unplayable. Typically the drawdowns were in the high hundreds and often creeping into several thousands. That tells me the bet selection is fatally flawed and its hit rate is absolutely nowhere near high enough to generate steady profits. Progressions bust and they always do. What's to say they can't bust five times on the trot and wipe you out...in fact, someone researching your bot found this to be the case. Everyone knows a negative progression system will take you to the cleaners. I don't know why you think because a system is automated it magically becomes a winner. And my motive on this forum is to help people with their ideas, maybe show where they are going wrong and can be improved, and to dispell myths like "you can make money while you sleep" and "the longer you play the more you win". I have a job I like, I am learning from an expert how to beat the game conclusively and I have good relations with my family. Why would I be jealous of a system seller? The motives that should be questioned are yours and your affiliates.
Quote from: Number Six on July 04, 2009, 08:27:16 AM
In my book this bot has been classified as a very high risk investment. It was tested by a moderator over many many months and shown to be a failure. Twocat lost money that to some would be a considerable amount.
It did and does continue to win consistently. Sam won many sessions on end before he had the loss, why does not that count as a winning system? Can you assure a win each and every session? If you are having a bad session, do you continue until you lose your entire bankroll? I never blamed or am trying to blame the internet connection for the loss, I said that losing connection and resetting mid game magnified the potential for a loss. I have never said draw downs wont occur, they most definitely will, the key to being successful is having sufficient bank roll to absorb them when they occur. Tom has won close to 1500E to date, in my eyes that is very successful - would you not agree? Oh by the way, Sam is still actively using the software, he is a hardened roulette player and most definitely sees the value in it.
Quote from: Number Six
I don't need to test the bot to know it won't win consistently, that has already been done and the results are in.
The results are in? What about Tom's results? What about the results of other's who are using it? You are more than happy to only look on one side of the coin and totally ignore the other side because it may contradict your point of view. How can you know it won't win consistently if you haven't used it? By declining the test you are simply implying you are unsure whether or not convictions about it not working are as valid as you make them out to be.
Quote from: Number Six
in fact, someone researching your bot found this to be the case.
No one can research it without using it, who was this mysterious researcher?
Quote from: Number Six
I don't know why you think because a system is automated it magically becomes a winner.
You must not read what I write carefully. I have never once said the automation makes it a winner. Specifically I posted the automation is simply an interface to what is 'under the hood'. The fact it is automated makes it easy to use and allows people who do not want to be a slave to the table do other things. Automation without cleverly designed strategies is useless.
Quote from: Number Six
And my motive on this forum is to help people with their ideas, maybe show where they are going wrong and can be improved, and to dispell myths like "you can make money while you sleep" and "the longer you play the more you win".
I have made close to 300E, playing .03 E bets in the last 6 nights while I slept, so no need to dispel it, as a myth, it is FACT. Yes it is true, even though it is hard for you to accept anything that doesn't align with your own ideals, but the more you play, the more you will win. The strategies are sound, so it stands to reason that this must also be fact.
Quote from: Number Six
I have a job I like, I am learning from an expert how to beat the game conclusively and I have good relations with my family. Why would I be jealous of a system seller? The motives that should be questioned are yours and your affiliates.
I have not one affiliate. I too have a loving family and a full time job. But I am also a thinker, someone who is curious about why things happen as they do. I understand the game of roulette, more than you realise N6. You want to pursue your way of studying the game and that is fine, but I don't like to overcomplicate things, I see them for what they are and this led me to developing strategies for beating the game consistently. Label me a SCAM artist if you will, but basing this on the fact I am selling something is absurd.
Matt
Your bot plays SYSTEMS, not strategies. If it played strategies it would be closer to a long term winner and WOULD NOT experience drawdowns running into thousands of units. The fact is Twocat is now in debt by two hundred euros (possible more?). The bot is losing money, how can you even try to deny that? Systems win and lose. They lose more than they win. I don't trust anything Thomas Grant writes, he is not an independent party, he is an untrustworthy tester who probably has financial incentives to put your bot in a good light. No one else has come forward to say they win consistently because these people don't exist. The botists hide in an underground forum group and complain to each other that they are losing money hand over fist. Of course, you always try to blame them for losing and using dodgy settings, not actually the bot. Guess what? I over the past six nights I have been building a time machine and this morning I went back to the cretaceous. Cool, eh? Wow, I can say anything.
It did and does continue to win consistently.<<<
No, it doesn't. If it did, you wouldn't be selling it, you would keep it a secret and be terrified somebody would find out about it. No mechanical or automated system or method can beat random outcomes, its mathematically impossible. Thats why its called 'random', its unpredictable.
QuoteBeware, people. I challenged Grant to a test in real time on Dublin with two witnesses and he agreed to it and then almost immediately pulled his post and closed the thread. DO NOT TRUST THIS SCAMMER!
Yes it's me your local SCAMMER.
And yes you did challenge me.
But I just followed what Matt asked me to do.
And that was to lock the topic.
Matt was getting fed up with people asking stupid questions.
He has already offered a trial of the software.
But why believe anything I have to say.
I'm just a scammmer... apparently.
Sheeesh,I feel like I am in a five setter at Wimbledon ;)
Strategy, system, method, it is all just semantics, you can call it whatever. Doing anything, whether repetitive, mechanical, or on a hunch or whim is a system. The dictionary definition of a system is "A group of interacting, interrelated, or interdependent elements forming a complex whole
N6, how do you judge the effectiveness of a method of play? Long term results? Ability to turn over the bank roll, once? twice? three times? No one is denying Sam lost money, but why do you not recognise he also won money? He turned over his bank roll 4 times on two separate occasions - if he had quit at this point, would you still say it was a losing method?
1000s of of units draw down is relative to the bet size. The bet size was .01, so this is 10E. You can comfortably make between 500 and 1500 units a session playing the way Sam did, even with 1000 unit draw downs. Drawn downs are not only expected, but accepted. It is an undeniable fact that the balance will normalise from a draw down and then increase.
Tom is an independent third party. I do not know why you assume otherwise. Happily accepting the word of others that something doesn't work, but then dismissing the word of someone who says it does, simply because you don't feel you can trust him, smacks of hypocrisy.
The forum is not underground or hidden, it is simply restricted to people who use the software. It is very active and vibrant and we are right on the cutting edge of the game of roulette, both in regards to automation and the game itself. Contrary to what you think,we do not complain to each other about losing money. The forum is a supportive, helpful place to be and as I have stated many times, numerous people are winning consistently.
I have never blamed anyone for losing due to using dodgy settings. You insist on creating your own illusion bubble.to help validate in your own mind that something not aligned with your own ideals can't work. I provide as much support as people need. There is a learning curve attached to using the software correctly and efficiently and the best way to ensure continued success is to simply practice with it before playing for real. However like I have said, once someone has the software I can not control how they use it, I can only offer advice on how it should be used.
N6 your attempt at humour is facetious. I simply state it as it is. I now know we are going no where with this. We are at and will always be at polar opposites. I think however, you need to argue your points more objectively, being subjective and allowing emotion to influence your basis of belief, will only lead you to incorrect conclusions.
Matt
Matt was getting fed up with people asking stupid questions.>>
Yes, scammers get very frustrated when people question them. Why can't they just shut up and send the money is what all scammers think, oh well..
You insist on creating your own illusion bubble.>>>
Its no illusion or fantasy that no bot or system can predict random with any accuracy. I repeat, if you had such a bot, you would keep it top secret and be terrified somebody would find out about it. It would be the proverbial goose that laid golden eggs. In the old days, if there was such a goose, would the owner have leant it out for peanuts? He would have kept it under lock and key, as you would have done also.
Get real..
Mr super-roulette comic,
I have seen you write numerous times that the bot will only win with the right settings. This is a joke. No amount of tweaking can turn a losing system into a winner. Twocat experienced what everyone does when they buy a system. It works for a while and then wipes you out. You re-deposit and give it another go. You get wiped again. And just because you are using 0.01 chips doesn't make 1000s of units drawdown acceptable. What if I wanted to use 1 euro chips? Would I need a bankroll of 50,000? 100,000? A million? You are an amateur and have fallen into this trap of thinking 0.01 chips are nothing and that with a big enough bankroll you can ride through the bad stints. It's ignorance of the very highest order. Twocat actually lost 430 euros in ONE sitting. That is 43,000 units. It is utterly stupid. Those figures alone are enough to suggest that your systems are completely impractical. I mean, seriously, I couldn't lose 43,000 units if I TRIED!
Lastly, that you don't know the difference between a roulette system and a strategy also proves you are largely clueless.
Lastly, that you don't know the difference between a roulette system and a strategy>>>
Its amazing the number of scammers that know almost nothing about the game. Remember JBrockBetting awhile back? He knew nothing about roulette, yet tried to convice us he had beaten it. Pretty funny..
Quote from: Number Six on July 04, 2009, 08:02:35 PM
I have seen you write numerous times that the bot will only win with the right settings. This is a joke. No amount of tweaking can turn a losing system into a winner.
N6 are you telling me you have no strategy for your gameplay? Of course you need to use the correct settings, it is not hard coded, but configured by the user, dependant on available bank roll, level of risk and strategy played.
Quote from: Number Six
It's ignorance of the very highest order. Twocat actually lost 430 euros in ONE sitting. That is 43,000 units. It is utterly stupid. Those figures alone are enough to suggest that your systems are completely impractical. I mean, seriously, I couldn't lose 43,000 units if I TRIED!
More fallacious information from you N6, Sam was not playing .01 units at the time.
Quote from: Number Six
Lastly, that you don't know the difference between a roulette system and a strategy also proves you are largely clueless.
Once again you need to resort to personal attacks and insults to emphasise a point, which displays an inability to put forth a point of view in a constructive, educated manner.
The software is designed to be used as an investment tool, but you would know this as you seem to know so much about something you have no experience with. I have never deviated from the purpose of the software. Do you know how investments work N6? It is not about taking 100 units and coming out with 150. It is about having a 1000 unit bank and making 50 - 100 units a day. Some days wont be as profitable but most days will. You don't enter the share market with $100 and expect to make much if any profit. $10,000 is more like a starting base and if after 1 year you have made half that you have done remarkably well. With a 1000E bank roll, you can comfortably and reliably make 50 to 100E a day each and every day. The key to making repetitive gains is having the neccessary bank roll and being patient.
Tom is well over 2000E now - ooohh I forgot, he is not a credible enough individual 8)
Matt
It is an unviable investment. Buy it. Lose. My gameplay IS a strategy. Yours is a system. No comprende? No.
I have never insulted or "attacked" you. If that were the case I would have been warned. Can you hear a violin playing softly in the background? Please wipe your nose and get a grip.
With a 1000E bank roll, you can comfortably and reliably make 50 to 100E a day each and every day
There is absolutely no way you can guarantee that. This is scammer talk.
he is not a credible enough individual
Correct
Sam was not playing .01 units at the time
Even if he was using 0.20 chips a 2150 complete loss is still lunacy. (Sorry, yes, faulty connection, right? Dodgy settings? What else can you blame the bot's failure on? Shifting tides? Voodoo? Bilderberg? The Papal State?)
On the Super Roulette page you state that when you 'discovered NO-ZERO roulette' you 'won every game, 100-150 units per session'.
This is baloney. Taking out the zero makes no difference whatsoever in how much you win, unless you're playing right at the house edge. And the edge is still there, with or without the zero. It comes from the unequal payouts if you win. 3/1 bets pay 2/1, 36/1 pays 35/1, etc. The EC's have fair payouts, but removing the zero makes no difference unless you're playing right around 50/50, and thats not winning, is it. If you're winning 100-150 units per session, the zero counts for nothing in the scheme of things.
Odd that you think it does, its almost like you don't know the game at all. Or its all baloney. Either way, the bot doesn't do what you say it does, its mathematically impossible.
The zero makes a huge difference if you're playing a relatively simple mechanical system. The overall bankroll trend will be down, but with no zero you can take your profit on the upturns (although the drawdowns will be large). I wouldn't use a bot, but I can believe you'd make money on a no-edge game IF you have an adequate bankroll. The other edge the casino has is the fact that its bankroll is so much bigger than that of the punter, and even without the zero it will still win long-term. In real-life, Goliath always beats David. ;D
You can't outspend a casino. The no zero is something of a gimmick. If everyone breaks even in the long run how does the casino stay in business? Because of progression systems. It's where people lose. If no system will win long term and super-roulette is a system, what is the point in buying it?
Hi is there any updates on Roulettebot Pro yet,i am just loosing money all the time no matter what settings i use
The zero makes a huge difference>>
The only way the zero makes a difference is if you're playing close to even, and whats the point of that.You can use a progression but they will always bust you in the end, so again, whats the point.
Thomas Grant says: Well here is my biggest pay day so far.
It says €500 but it came to €450 after trans fees Thank you Matt for making this possible.>>
LOL! Bot's don't work people, don't be scammed. You can't beat random with a bot or any mechanical system. Don't say you weren't warned.
Hoo Boy
What a mess I've caused!
I can't deny a word Number6 has said because I said just what he said I said. I am now down 188 Euro. I have not lost 188 Euro. Whether anyone wants to believe it or not, I am learning fascinating things about numbers and the directions they take. I am finally convinced there is a fair RNG and that's Bet Voyager. Their numbers are produced by some kind of sampling of mosquito farts in Nairobi or something like that. Absolutely, 100% random! (Talk about a lightning rod!)
Anyway, Thomas Grant is not a liar. He has blown 30 Euro into 2,010 and I am rightly jealous. I wish I could do it and I don't quite understand how he does it. I think he bets big.
Matt is not a liar or a scammer. Neither is Tiago or any of the rest of us. You gents can believe what you want. I said I would tell you the truth and I have. If I told you the truth about what I've lost in the good ol' U.S. stock market, well---you'd really call me a liar then. I don't hear anyone moaning for me over that!
Sam
am loveing this super roulette was a joke from day one another supper bot i love a good laugh ... :lol:
Thomas Grant has turned 30E into 3000E using Super Roulette. He has made videos and posted them for his "cronies" to view. Folks, like him or not, he's got the evidence and he didn't fake it.
I'm kinda starting to hate him!
Sam
The only way you can know the evidence isn't faked is if you were standing right there when he did it. Were you? I can make videos all day long that make it look like I'm doing whatever I want, anybody can.
No, Spike, I wasn't standing next to him. He's in Australia and I'm in Oklahoma. I could use TeamViewer to watch his bot running, but I don't need to. I trust him.
Sam
Might as well put this here as there are far too many threads on this forum now. We should attempt to limit the number of threads and combine like information in a single thread.
Let us liken the bot to moving a load of bricks. A forklift sets down a thousand pounds of bricks all neatly bound with steel straps and cardboard. Even the hulk would have a chore carrying that load away, but even Pee Wee Herman can carry a brick at a time. Just cut the steel straps and start carrying bricks. It will take you ages, but you can move the whole stack.
Such it is with a bot. What you cannot humanly do sitting before a computer for 1469 spins, the bot does tirelessly. That is the number of spins it took for me to earn 5E today. I could--I suppose--sit there for that long but I doubt it. I couldn't carry that stack of bricks either.
What the bot does is let you reduce your bet (brick load) to one you can manage and then carry them over time.
I could have used a lever analogy with the fulcrum and plank and how you move more with a long plank and the fulcrum closer to the load, but I seem to like bricks today.
I'll probably get a few thrown my way now!
Sam
I wonder if any experienced player still believes in the fairy-tail of bots and the hundreds of dollares they give for certain. I'm almost sure not.
Problem is the new players this people fool and make them waste money on their software. My friend was one of them, wasting money on the famous sniper roulette against our advice and losing more money (as expected).
If you know a person like I do that works in a casino for 15 years, you know this is plain rubbish. There is no money guaranteed system in roulette, and if it did exist they wouldn't share it/sell it to you. Why sell a bot for 99$ and risk that the casino finds out when you could keep it for yourself and never work again, only living with the profit of the bot?
This man and the people who tell the wonderful benefits of the bot are nothing but people hired by the owner, winning a share of the sales. Don't believe me? I wouldn't like to see more people go bankrupt because of these players, but you can give it a try. I bet with you that it won't be a nice experience and the fault will be always be yours, or you didn't do it right, or the system isn't 100% effective (it only is for people like Thomas), etc. . .
That is the number of spins it took for me to earn 5E today.>>>
And because no bot or anything else can predict random outcomes accurately, thats the number of spins it will take you to lose 5E next time.
>>but I don't need to. I trust him.>>
I don't trust anybody when it comes to money. I need proof I can watch.
You're a "Doubting Spike", that's for sure. I respect your opinions. I always allow you guys could be right! Aw, you're probably not!!
Sam
If you really and truly understand the nature of random and how it works, you would know without a shadow of a doubt that no bot, no system, no device, no nothing can ever and will ever accurately predict random above a 50/50 expectation. Its a mathematical impossibility.
Its always amazing to me that nobody questions fact that a casino totally depends on math for its income, yet players laugh and scoff at the same math, like its a joke or something. A casino can go to any bank, show them the math of how they'll win, and get a loan on it. If a player tried that, he'd be shown the door.
Spike
I would love to truly understand the nature of randomness. Frankly, I don't understand what there is to understand.
Sam
Frankly, I don't understand what there is to understand.>>>
Thats like in the old days when your well wet dry, or your cow stopped giving milk, or infectious diseases killed off most of mankind. They blamed it all on the devil and frankly, didn't understand what there was to understand.
Once you start to grasp random and how it operates, you see how math absolutely rules it. And you see what can beat it and what doesn't ever have a chance of beating it.
I truly don't understand you Spike.... I mean, three posts above the one you're reading now you said:
Quote from: Spike on July 06, 2009, 11:04:52 PM
nothing can ever and will ever accurately predict random above a 50/50 expectation. Its a mathematical impossibility.
Then, in the post directly above the one you're reading now you said:
Quote from: SpikeOnce you start to grasp random and how it operates, you see how math absolutely rules it. And you see what can beat it
You've also made numerous posts in the past about how you have a method that allows you to consistently win, and that you don't plan on sharing it with anybody.
So which is it? Can roulette be beaten or not? Just in the two posts I've quoted you've said two different things. I'm not trying to argue with you, I just truly don't know which side of the fence it is you stand on.
You've also made numerous posts in the past about how you have a method>>
I don't predict, I guess. I call it educated guessing. Because there are no triggers in random, nothing mechanical has a prayer of working, all you can do is guess. Its an art form that only gets better and better with practice.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on July 06, 2009, 05:28:47 PM
Thomas Grant has turned 30E into 3000E using Super Roulette. He has made videos and posted them for his "cronies" to view. Folks, like him or not, he's got the evidence and he didn't fake it.
I'm kinda starting to hate him!
Sam
Err, not sure how to take that Sam.
I know we have had our differences in the past.
But Hate is rather a strong word.
Peace to all.
Err, not sure how to take that Sam.>>>
I take it he doesn't realize you are either a liar or extremely mistaken. Its one or the other, there's nothing else..
Quote from: Spike on July 07, 2009, 01:11:57 AM
Err, not sure how to take that Sam.>>>
I take it he doesn't realize you are either a liar or extremely mistaken. Its one or the other, there's nothing else..
Well, I am sure glad that someone with such a positive outlook on life has graced these pages.
Keep posting Spike.
Enjoying the barbs.
I am sure glad that someone with such a positive outlook>>
Neither positive or negative, just factual. You're not and can't beat roulette with a bot. Fact.
Quote from: Spike on July 07, 2009, 01:46:16 AM
I am sure glad that someone with such a positive outlook>>
Neither positive or negative, just factual. You're not and can't beat roulette with a bot. Fact.
Yes, your factual. and correct.
No one can beat Roulette with a bot.
No harm in trying though.
Hey Spike, looks like 7000 reasons why you need to have more faith :D
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/270/
(nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/270/)
Matt
Scammers desperate for sales, nothing new here. 7000 reasons to not to buy your crap.
@ Matt,
As I've said before, I believe it could be possible to make money with your bot using a simple system provided you have the necessary bankroll and are playing a no-zero wheel, and I'd like to put this to the test. Would you be willing to give us details of one of the systems your bot uses so that I can write a simulation? What I need is: (1) bet selection and money management (progression if used, plus any stop losses or wins) (2) Average number of spins played per session. (3) Recommended bankroll.
Preferably nothing too complex, but something that has made money in the past and continues to do so. It will be interesting, if nothing else, to see what kind of drawdowns you get. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Spike on July 07, 2009, 02:52:57 AM
Scammers desperate for sales, nothing new here. 7000 reasons to not to buy your crap.
Wow, so many good reason not to buy crap.
If I had a wad full of money and stuck it under your nose.
You would still not be satisfied.
Ohh well, no one is forcing you to purchase it.
Or asking you to. You complain all you like.
Some will, some wont. So what, next.
PS: just as a side note.
The price of the bot has gone up.
Since Matt added in a LIVE casino.
$375 I think the new price is.
Wow the commissions on that would be nice.
May have to talk to Matt about getting some.
I find it remarkable how Grant is the only person on the face of the earth who is using bots and winning. Every bot he uses, he wins. He never loses. Hollywood should make a film about him. $375? That price is utterly inflated beyond all reason. You really would have to be out of your very small mind to pay that sort of money for something that is going to lose you your BR. Got money to burn? Buy super roulette. The price has gone up because it now interfaces with DB, where there is a house edge the bot will never overcome. This scam is sick.
Tangram, you will never be given that kind of information. That is too much of a challenge and would prove the system to be absolutely useless and the seller a robber. If super roulette was a manual system the seller would have been booted from this forum as soon as he signed up.
Quote from: Number Six on July 07, 2009, 07:57:00 AM
Tangram, you will never be given that kind of information. That is too much of a challenge and would prove the system to be absolutely useless and the seller a robber.
You were offered this information unconditionally N6 and you declined.
Matt
Quote from: Tangram on July 07, 2009, 05:01:01 AM
@ Matt,
As I've said before, I believe it could be possible to make money with your bot using a simple system provided you have the necessary bankroll and are playing a no-zero wheel, and I'd like to put this to the test. Would you be willing to give us details of one of the systems your bot uses so that I can write a simulation? What I need is: (1) bet selection and money management (progression if used, plus any stop losses or wins) (2) Average number of spins played per session. (3) Recommended bankroll.
Preferably nothing too complex, but something that has made money in the past and continues to do so. It will be interesting, if nothing else, to see what kind of drawdowns you get. :thumbsup:
Tangram,
It would not be fair on people who have purchased the software to publicly disclose how and why it works. Saying that you seem to be a person of integrity and someone who at least realises the HUGE advantage removing the house edge gives the player against RNG; Tom's results are testament to this.
We are not playing against the game of roulette at BV, but against a random number generator, in an even chance game. Cleverly designed strategies based on logical, expected outcomes allow us to actually manipulate the odds and put them in our favour during a session.
I would be happy to email or PM you details of the way the software works and the strategies embedded into it and you can determine whether or not you can code it into RX. If you can I would be interested to see the results and feel free to publish them here.
Matt
First the bot only worked on no zero wheels. Now that it is compatible with dublin bet (a popular online casino) it just happens to also work on the single zero wheels. IF THAT IS NOT A SURPRISE. What happend to the bot? did it get SUPER powers?
@ everyone who is thinking about bying this, plz try to think about what u are bying. What does it actually do? Its not all roses and sunshine.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Thomas Grant
Sorry, Mate, I forget you're Australian and I American and we have a different vernacular. When one of us see another doing something real well, we might say, "I hate you, man!". Now that doesn't me we hate you; it means we hate that we can't do what you're doing. It's misplaced jealousy or envy. Or when a woman looses twenty pounds her friends say, "Don't you just hate her?"
No offense directed to you. I hope you hit 10,000 before the week is out.
Sam
Quote from: super-rouletteI would be happy to email or PM you details of the way the software works and the strategies embedded into it
Thanks Matt, I've sent you a PM.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on July 07, 2009, 10:36:29 AM
Thomas Grant
Sorry, Mate, I forget you're Australian and I American and we have a different vernacular. When one of us see another doing something real well, we might say, "I hate you, man!". Now that doesn't me we hate you; it means we hate that we can't do what you're doing. It's misplaced jealousy or envy. Or when a woman loses twenty pounds her friends say, "Don't you just hate her?"
No offense directed to you. I hope you hit 10,000 before the week is out.
Sam
Thanks Sam.
If you like.
I can do a live 1 on 1 session with you.
Just skype me.
Quote from: Skrizy on July 07, 2009, 09:30:39 AM
First the bot only worked on no zero wheels. Now that it is compatible with dublin bet (a popular online casino) it just happens to also work on the single zero wheels. IF THAT IS NOT A SURPRISE. What happend to the bot? did it get SUPER powers?
@ everyone who is thinking about bying this, plz try to think about what u are bying. What does it actually do? Its not all roses and sunshine.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
It originally started of for a no-zero roulette board so the betting styles were geared towards a no-zero board. Now with the single 0 capability to the bot new systems have been implemented to better suit the live 0 board. Different system will likely be added to Super Roulette as time goes by.
I find it remarkable how Grant is the only person on the face of the earth who is using bots and winning. Every bot he uses, he wins.>>>
He's a scammer, of course he's going to say anything he needs to say to sell his crap. These people disgust me..
Yep, they are sick as f*** >:D I can't believe people are actually buying into it, though.
If you ask me absolutely not a single seller should be allowed here, let alone actually accommodated and encouraged by moderators. It's irresponsible. Like I said before, if super roulette was pushing a PDF he'd have been booted a long time ago. It just goes to show how FOOLED people are by automation. Schmucks. Somehow because this product is a bot and not a manual system it's all OK. Super roulette is just a system seller and his presence here is insulting to all those who have been scammed in the past.
Quote from: Number Six on July 07, 2009, 05:55:06 PM
If you ask me absolutely not a single seller should be allowed here, let alone actually accommodated and encouraged by moderators. It's irresponsible.
I cannot say I agree with you here No.6
NO clickable links are allowed here @ VLS to any "sell able" product
The only moderator who I am aware of who has tested this is 2Cats & he lost......
ONE moderator NOT moderators BTW
So I for one don't see that as encouraging
My personal view on bots ?
Well surely they are only as good as the system / way the are programmed to play.......
& IF I paid ANYBODY to programme my HG (I wish) then that person would have it as well....
So bots are definitely NOT for me....
Hi Xman,
You disagree about the moderator reference? OK, I think it is irresponsible for ANY moderator to associate with a system seller. My opinion. I have said it, and I doubt I'll mention it again. Even though the super roulette link isn't posted anywhere, they are using the forum as a marketing ground. I think it's unacceptable. And I will badger them ad nauseam until they vanish. They are not helping anyone. They contribute nothing. The truth is no one can use this bot and win consistently. Anyone who says otherwise needs maths lessons. Anyone who is winning is either the luckiest person on earth or a liar.
No one would sell the HG for $375, lol
Vero nihil verius
:)
Hey No.6 ;)
That's fine mate :good: Like everybody here your opinion is respected. You state they use this forum as a marketing ground & to a certain degree I concur with that.
But at least here the likes of you, Spike & anybody else have the chance to put your 2 cents forward...... :rtfm:
People will makes their own decisions in the long run, but at least here BOTH sides of the coin are on show.
& just to be clear on this :-
I am in NO condoning ANY bot of any description
But I AM condoning the right to discuss them here.....
Finally as I stated in my previous post :-
Well surely they are only as good as the system / way the are programmed to play.......
& IF I paid ANYBODY to programme my HG (I wish) then that person would have it as well....
So bots are definitely NOT for me....
Quote from: Number Six on July 07, 2009, 07:02:07 PM
No one would sell the HG for $375
You are still missing the point, I never have once said it is the grail. I have stated and continue to state, that the automation along with cleverly designed strategies allow it to be used as an investment tool - and it works. The strategies used at BV do not work at the live dealer. Live dealer requires beating the wheel and not the game and the software is accompolished at doing that
Matt
The roulette grail wins more than it loses. Your bot is a self-confessed non-grail, therefore it loses more than it wins, correct? I can't see how your "strategies" are proper roulette strategies when you have demonstrated ignorance on what a strategy actually is. You think the difference between a system and a strategy is the spelling. You are wrong. Your bot has rules coded into it, meaning it implements a mechanical system. And now your bot will murder live wheels? How? Can we assume that you are one of the forum's most skilled and knowledgeable advantage players? That you have mastered techniques to give you a physical edge? I saw a screenshot with a "hot sectors system". Tell me about the hot sectors. How does the bot define a hot sector, what logic does it have for defining a hot sector and how does it attack a hot sector? Or is it all a secret we have to pay $350 to be made privy to?
"OK, I think it is irresponsible for ANY moderator to associate with a system seller.", said Number Six.
I was co-administrator and I resigned that position. Would you feel better if I resigned as moderator? Then you ask Lanky as I already have!
I knew nothing of bots until Victor asked me to test this thing. I said I would report honestly as I have done. I am currently down about 165 Euro. You have stated you believe my loss, yet you continue to rave against this bot. Frankly, I don't know what you're looking for in this forum. If Lanky wants he can give you my old position and you can mute me so I can't post.
6, here's the way it shakes out. If I have to choose between this forum and the bot, there will be no choice: I will leave this mess in a heartbeat. As far as I know no one has forced you to buy this bot nor have I read any complaints from any users saying they were scammed. Link me to one post if you can, for I have truly missed it.
What is happening with this bot is state of the art, cutting edge and all that. It is not for me to say what's up; Tiago or Matt can do that if they wish. I will say this: You might be surprised what this bot has proven over a million spins. Is it perfect? No. Is it finished? No! How archaic is a Walkman or Discman compared to an Ipod?
This forum is being broken three ways: There's the guys who are honestly trying to learn and devise ways to play. There's the bot users. Lastly, there's the guys who can do anything--damn near walk on water--but they can't show you.
The old adage "Time is Money" is so true. When you consider the people who post hints, play "I've Got a Secret" and send people on wild goose chases vs the people who sell bots for money, who is most at fault? I say the former! How many people have spent valuable time away from their families looking for something that just isn't there but some phony says it is, so they keep looking. After the wife and kids are gone, they keep looking. They would probably trade places with the guy who spent money on a bot in a heartbeat.
From now on, don't pull any punches with me. If you think I'm a lying thief, just say it. I will work hard at trying to care less, but I probably won't be able to. By the way, that goes for anyone else, too. Do you get the idea I just really don't care?
Sam
A bot is only as good as the system its playing. Its nothing without the system you give it. IT doesn't win or lose. the SYSTEM wins or loses. So saying you win huge with a bot is stupid, its the system that wins. And NO system beats roulette, so where does leave you? With scammers and liars.
QuoteNO system beats roulette
Well, this may be true.
If so, then what do you use to play roulette.?
How successful have you been?
What do you do when play roulette?
All I see is a great deal of criticism.
And no proof to back it up.
Show me the money.
Can you?
I dare you to.
In other words.
Put up. Or shut up.
If so, then what do you use to play roulette>>
I use a non-mechanical method called educated guessing. Its unprogrammable, it relies on experience and practice.
Quoteeducated guessing
educated guessing vs RNG or Live Casinos.
Hmmm, ok, that sounds fantastic.
Your not basing it on any previous spins.
Or any previous systems, methods, or anything else.
Looks like your playing the monkey stock market method.
Or the throw the dart at the board while blindfolded.
Well if that works for you. Keep it up.
Must be if your doing so well with it.
Your not basing it on any previous spins.>>
I'm not? If you say so. Don't hurt your brain thinking about it, believe me, its over your head..
Quote from: Spike on July 07, 2009, 04:38:10 PM
I find it remarkable how Grant is the only person on the face of the earth who is using bots and winning. Every bot he uses, he wins.>>>
He's a scammer, of course he's going to say anything he needs to say to sell his crap. These people disgust me..
And you disqust me,Spike.It's not you that are talking,but you speak
in somebodys else name/You well know "WHO"/maybe you think
you will get a "FAMOUS" bet from him.........Iboba
@iboba
You don't need anything from anyone to notice this is a scam. What spike is trying to do is question these scammers. I compare them with pickpocketters, They are a plague! For anyone with a little bit of intelligence, google the name of the bot and read the website, look at the 'evidence' and u will see. Its the same as any other scam site. Iboba the fact that u are frustrated with spike is that he gets complimented and not u. The fact that you're name is published on the green website in a bad way means that u didn't read it or didn't listen. The fact that u defend these crooks, speaks for itself...
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Quote from: Skrizy on July 08, 2009, 09:49:12 AM
@iboba
You don't need anything from anyone to notice this is a scam. What spike is trying to do is question these scammers. I compare them with pickpocketters, They are a plague! For anyone with a little bit of intelligence, google the name of the bot and read the website, look at the 'evidence' and u will see. Its the same as any other scam site. Iboba the fact that u are frustrated with spike is that he gets complimented and not u. The fact that you're name is published on the green website in a bad way means that u didn't read it or didn't listen. The fact that u defend these crooks, speaks for itself...
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Everyone to it's own.I don't defend nobody,but to accuse someone as a scam,
without any proof/where are the scammed ones??/---And who gives S***T for any green pages
---After all, with whos rights is my name there???---He is the greatest conman arround,as he is
scamming young people brains in here,let alone his bet is the greatest scamm ever.....there is a
reason for it......and that's a FACT...............................Iboba
Now u are accusing someone of scamming without any proof. The scammed ones have allready reply'd, again u fail to read and listen.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy
Quote from: Skrizy on July 08, 2009, 10:58:19 AM
Now u are accusing someone of scamming without any proof. The scammed ones have allready reply'd, again u fail to read and listen.
Kind Regards,
Skrizy
Well in that case,it's still none of your bussines.You better worry about your
green pages.Back door???I have more knowledge in my toe,then all of your
imaginary trustees together with yourself.Amen................Iboba
iboba, don't worry about some of these people that try to accuse me of scaming someone.
They are yet to produce one iota of evidence to prove their claims.
Having a link on a website is not classed as evidence.
Because I have already stated several times.
That yes, I promote Roulette Bot Pro on my website.
So what, big deal. Has anyone that purchased it, feel like they got ripped of?
If so. There is a money back guarantee.
As for Super Roulette.
Again, nowhere on any of my post or on my own website does it have a link for Super Roulette.
TwoCat told me off, for adding my website as a link in my signature.
So I removed it from my signature.
All these fools are doing is sending more traffic to my website.
And I would like to thank them all for doing so.
Keep up the great work.
Keep telling people how I am scammer.
Makes me so happy.
Increase in sales and sign ups since this topic was started.
Thanks again Skizzy.
They are yet to produce one iota of evidence to prove their claims.>>>
Evidence? All we have is evidence. There is NO system that beats roulette consistantly, yet you have somehow magically programmed a robot with one? Its utter bullsh--.
Increase in sales and sign ups since this topic was started.>>
See people? Thats all these scammers care about, more sales. Wise up, don't feed the fat assed scammers..
QuoteWise up, don't feed the fat assed scammers..
I'm not fat, just big boned. (Eric Cartman/South Park)
Keep feeding, keep feeding.
We need more gullible people.
The more the merrier.
My site needs even more traffic.
Thanks Spike.
You have done me a great service.
Quote from: thomasgrant on July 08, 2009, 05:58:34 PM
Keep feeding, keep feeding.
We need more gullible people.
The more the merrier.
My site needs even more traffic.
Thanks Spike.
You have done me a great service.
I sure that comment is your attempt at sarcasm Thomas, but pls enough..... :nono:
Anything similar comments WILL get you warned.......... :rtfm:
Or of course it wasn't sarcasm in which case I doubt the members here will take kindly to being called gullible....... >:(
We need more gullible people.>>>
I'm sure you do, but if I can keep just one poor sot from buying your garbage, I've done my job. I know way too many people who 'invest' their money in crap like yours and get nothing out of it but heartache.
Nothing wrong with his comments -- sarcastic or otherwise.
He wasn't attacking any individual. So I fail to see the need for 'a warning' (shock...horror...) It was simply a generic, non-specific statement aimed at nobody in particular.
I wasn't offended by it. I take the view: "If the cap fits then wear it." On some things I'm gullible; on others I'm not.
And that cap probably fits most people at some time during our involuntary journey through this Vale of Tears laughingly called 'life'.
On some things I'm gullible;>>>
I think the mod's point is, the forum isn't here to take advantage of people. I, too, find it very odd such a scammer item is available here.
>>laughingly called 'life'.>>
Laughingly? Whats your name for it?
Sam, you sound depressed. When I first joined the forum I found a lot of information in your posts and testing of systems (that were freely available and contributed by other members). Now you are a bot user and you seem to be a different person entirely. I don't dig your vibes any more. I don't approve of sellers being accommodated in the forum. System sellers are scammers. They are here to further their own gain. They are not here to help people. They contribute absolutely zilch. What is so hard to understand about that? Most of what you say nowadays is a joke. Bots are cutting edge? Dream on. So I ask why they are consistent winners. Where is the answer? There isn't one. Why? Because the scammers don't want to embarrass themselves further by displaying their total ignorance of the game. This whole affair is just absurd. You ask what I'm looking for in the forum? I have already stated that. But you don't care so why does it matter anyway? Look, I'm done with this. In no capacity do I wish to be part of a community in which system sellers are welcomed. It is wrong on so many levels. These people are parasites and they sicken me. You have resigned as co-administrator. Well, I'll go one better than that and have that No.6 removed for good. The scam can proceed seamlessly. I have made my point over and over and I no longer want to be around people who are desperate and idiotic enough to think that bots are going to fill their wallets. Literally, it makes me sick and I need to liberate myself from this stupidity.
It wouldn't bother me if they said IF you have a winning system and IF you transfer it to the bot, you'll win. But they don't say that. They say having a bot means you'll win and this is a bold faced lie.
Quote from: Spike on July 08, 2009, 11:19:20 PM
It wouldn't bother me if they said IF you have a winning system and IF you transfer it to the bot, you'll win.
That I've absolutely got to agree with Spike. I can't say anything about Super Roulette as I haven't used it. But, bots don't lose you any money by themselves. It's the systems that they play. So, if you've got a winning system, and you choose to put it into a bot, then you should be fine.
That was the reason I chose to promote the website in my signature and not any other roulette bots.
Well, these scammers always fall back on blaming the player when the system crashes. On one hand super roulette says turn on the bot and the longer you leave it running the more you win - poppoc**k. But on the other hand he uses the same old BS lines like money management will negate the house egde and when you lose it's because you weren't patient (!) enough or used the wrong "settings" or whatever. It's a big joke and the biggest roulette scam going. These sellers and their affiliates are a disgrace to the forum. I don't want anything to do with anyone who is selling anything. Books, bots, whatever. Screw them all.
"if you've got a winning system"
Point is there isn't one, so if you buy a bot with pre-coded systems how is it not a SCAM?
Good grief, people. I would have thought you'd just assume it's the program that wins. The bot is just that--a programmable device that places the bets your system calls for. The bot itself in no way wins any more than a hammer drives a nail. YOU drive a nail WITH a hammer.
Number Six
If you have a problem with bots, sales of bots, talk of sales of bots, or whatever then you need to talk to Victor. He is the person who sold--yes sold--the ad AYS or whatever. He is the one who volunteered Lanky (who refused) and the me to test the bot.
Why the bot wins: It can work your system at such a low bet-rate that it can stay for hours until it wins. You could not do that. All you need is the bankroll and patience. A swift internet connection to Bet Voyager would certainly be a plus. I am down to 1/4 of my speed that I had when I started.
Six, perhaps I've changed. People change. Perhaps I've moved on.
Here is a chart of today's. This took over 4,000 spins to win 5E. Who's going to sit through 4,000 spins? I know, I probably faked the graph. Put in 4,000 numbers by hand. You guys are fighting a loosing battle. Do you still ride horses or have you graduated up to "horseless carriages"?
Samster
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I am not fighting a losing battle. Super roulette has demonstrated that his knowledge of the game is scant at best. The bot's sytems are based on the same old fallacious principles that have been losing for centuries. I don't think you're faking anything. Your loses are real. You will lose again before you break even.
I'm sorry Sam, but I wince looking at that graph. There is no way I would be playing with that bot if the bank balance jumps around like that.
It can work your system at such a low bet-rate that it can stay for hours until it wins. You could not do that.>>
What a ridiculous statement! What the HELL does bet rate have to do with winning or losing??? A system either wins or it loses, placing more bets makes no difference whatsoever. It can spell disaster, in fact. Do you people have a clue what your doing?
The graph shows that after 4000 spins you're $7 in profit? And you think thats winning? LOL! Do you know anything about testing systems and the variances involved? Apparently not..
Quote from: xman1970 on July 08, 2009, 06:14:51 PM
I sure that comment is your attempt at sarcasm Thomas, but pls enough..... :nono:
Anything similar comments WILL get you warned.......... :rtfm:
Or of course it wasn't sarcasm in which case I doubt the members here will take kindly to being called gullible....... >:(
ROFL.
Sure no problem.
No offense meant.
Just a gibe at those that try in vain to smear me.
I try and respect the mods.
Even though we may not see eye to eye at times.
But I can delete the post if you wish.
Thank you for you concern and warning.
It has been noted.
No other time will I call members that G word.
Quote from: thomasgrant on July 09, 2009, 03:55:43 AM
ROFL.
Sure no problem.
No offense meant.
Just a gibe at those that try in vain to smear me.
I try and respect the mods.
Even though we may not see eye to eye at times.
But I can delete the post if you wish.
Thank you for you concern and warning.
It has been noted.
No other time will I call members that G word.
Nope the post can stop right were it is as far as I'm concerned.....
Thx for your reply & understanding in this matter...... 8)
This is absolutly nonsense...
Twocat is always posting graphs with major downfalls over several thousand spins, and at the end there is even more loss or a small profit (BUT NOT WORTH RISKING YOU'RE BANKROLL). YET MR Thomas Grant always posts grahps of less then 400 spins with big profits. Some grahps only showing 30 to 50 spins. THIS doesn't make any sense. Everyone can make grafhs of winning systems over 400 spins (IT isn't even that hard).
From all i have learnt (not only me, other descent ppl to) there isn't any winning system with the use of progression, yet several progression system are sold on this bot. That can't be true!!
I hope more ppl that got ripped of by this, step to the plate. There isn't anything to be a shamed of, but u could help others who are thinking of buying this. Togheter we can make this END!!
Kind Regards,
Skrizy.
Quote from: xman1970 on July 09, 2009, 04:40:27 AM
Nope the post can stop right were it is as far as I'm concerned.....
Thx for your reply & understanding in this matter...... 8)
Your welcome.
If I have offended anyone by calling them the G word.
Please take my sincere apologie.
Can I now continue to defend my position?
I recall the debacle of the so called murph incident.
Where again, I was wrongly accused of selling a system.
I was not the one that sold it.
But I did purchase it.
What a waste of money that was.
Skrizy
I cannot speak to why Thomas Grant posts graphs with 400 spins.
As to my graphs, they are not fake. You may believe anything you wish. People ridiculed me just as much when I posted charts and videos of the G.U.T. They ridiculed Mr Chips mercilessly. They would have crucified Winkel if they could have gotten their hands on him.
Quite a lot of hate on this forum lately.
Sam
QuoteQuite a lot of hate on this forum lately.
Sam
Sam, you and I can argue our points till we are blue in the face.
It wont change anything. N6, Spike and Skritzy all seem to be out to do what ever they wish to do.
And discredit anyone that says they are winning any money playing roulette.
Regardless of the system, or non system. Or bot or no bot.
I could say I am winning using the trow the dart at the number method.
It wont make a scrap of difference to them.
I could show them all the details of all the transactions.
Still, they will say the documents were forged.
Or I used PhotoShop to edit them.
Makes me laugh.
Let them vent all they wish.
Let them call me anything they wish.
A liar, a cheat, a scammer.
Whatever. Makes no difference to me what so ever.
You and I both know better.
You were the first person to use the bot.
I just followed your lead.
You know it works.
You know it works on a live table.
You have seen the videos I did of it playing on Dublin Bet.
No, not the ones that were posted here.
Not sure if you have used it on Dublin Bet or not.
Or if you have used it on Smart Live Casino.
No matter what we do in life.
We will have people that will be against us.
It would be interesting to find out how many thought Colonel Sanders (KFC) was scammer.
What I don't understand is why N6 turned down Matt's offer of a trial of the bot. He had a chance to get some real evidence that the bot makes money consistently on BV but instead declined. Could it be that he doesn't want to risk being proved wrong? >:D
Now I suppose I'll be accused of being a "scammer-lover" ;D
Quote from: Tangram
What I don't understand is why N6 turned down Matt's offer of a trial of the bot. He had a chance to get some real evidence that the bot makes money consistently on BV but instead declined. Could it be that he doesn't want to risk being proved wrong? >:D
Now I suppose I'll be accused of being a "scammer-lover" ;D
Don't be a knucklehead I do not have enough time to test this thing. I am not a con man. I have a real job to do. So I test the bot and indirectly end up advertising this scam? You struck me as a person that understands the maths of the game and why no rule-based system will profit consistently. Are you also being fooled by the automation gimmick? These scammers know nothing about the process that powers roulette. They know NOTHING. Super roulette has regularly referred to mathematical and probability principles and uses those principles to justify the "logic" of his bot. There is no logic to random. That is why it is random and inexplicable. Pascal himself was broken by the fact that he couldn't beat his own game with maths. He expanded probability theory in the pursuit. It got him nowhere. Do you really think that super roulette has done what Pascal couldn't? If I was given access to the bots systems, I would have taken that. Then I would have tested them manually and had them RX coded and simulated over many, many bets. I have no fear of being proved wrong because I understand maths. If super roulette was a productive poster and made his systems available to the public I wouldn't be bothered. He is a seller. That bothers me.
And yes I asked for my account to be deleted immediately. I want no part of this disgusting charade or the sickening tactics that are going on here. I have been told that the forum will undergo changes soon and I have been asked to be patient while they are carried out. I will wait.
Quote from: Number Six on July 09, 2009, 02:56:35 PM
If I was given access to the bots systems, I would have taken that. Then I would have tested them manually and had them RX coded and simulated over many, many bets. I have no fear of being proved wrong because I understand maths.
N6, anyone who uses the software, has full access to the strategies within. The mechanics of how the software works is totally transparent and if the player desires, totally configurable.
Matt
QuoteBots are not a scam, its just the way they are sold that is!
So does that go for everything?
Late night adds for health products.
Do they fall into scam?
Just because of the way they are sold?
Quote from: Number SixI do not have enough time to test this thing.
Oh come on. How much time does it take? 2 minutes to set the bot and let it run for a few hours - isn't that part of the attraction of using a bot? so that you don't have to sit for hours in front of your computer?
Quote from: Number SixSo I test the bot and indirectly end up advertising this scam?
No, you test it and report on the results. You have no vested interest in cherry-picking the results as Matt does, so we have an
objective review of the bot's performance.
Quote from: Number SixYou struck me as a person that understands the maths of the game and why no rule-based system will profit consistently.
I do understand the maths, which is why I believe that the bot could work
at a no-zero casino. With a zero, forget it. Many people don't understand the compounding effect that the zero has when many decisions are played, it works just like interest on your savings, only in reverse. Your bankroll will steadily and inevitably be depleted. But with no edge, you only need a sufficient bankroll to ride out the downswings.
On the wider issue of people using the forum as a marketing platform, I agree with you. I've said before that if sellers are to be allowed here they should confine their advertising to a separate section,
and they should offer some kind of free trial/money back guarantee
and they should be required to make a monetary contribution to the forum - why should they get free advertising? Just my opinion, it's up to Victor to decide, it's his forum.
Well, I said I would stay out of this fray, but it's difficult......
Skrizy
I agree with your ideas on testing. When I became a co-administrator some time back, I said my goal was to lead this forum in proper testing. I think this is called empirical testing, where you look at the data before you. I am all for double-blind testing also. If I had my way, every person who comes on this forum claiming to have the "Holy Grail" would either be asked to demonstrate same or leave the forum. As it is, they give hints and some chase after them. It is always a dead end.
I am doing my dead-level best to offer an objective view of this bot. I can tell you this without reservation: The damn thing is a ton of fun to play with. While I am now down 145 Euro and making a scratching, digging climb out of the hole, I have not lost in the true sense of the word. Will I? I may or may not. Time will tell. I firmly believe--and I may be wrong--that this thing can and will be programmed to capitalize on the positive trams Victor once spoke of. When that happens, I firmly believe this bot will become a constant-profit generating device. An on-line investment tool.
For those who poo-poo playing with pennies............
I am gaining about 10E per day using pennies. That is 300E per month or about $500 American. That is not a bad little sum for setting a bot and leaving it alone twice a day. I just must eliminate the down turns! The run from hell is what gets me. And, yes, it will always be there; we must learn to deal with it and move on. We can't prevent hurricanes either, but we somehow live through them as a race.
As to a sales section on this forum, I suggested that, also. Like most--if not all--of my suggestions it fell on dear ears. And it is Victor's forum in the final analysis. He can do as he pleases.
The last two trots the bot has ran a perfect positive tram. It is running one now on my other computer. How long will it last? Who knows?
Sam
Sam,
I never thought I would be interested in bots but I am getting more and more fascinated by them. Your reports of testing a bot
is very interesting and I hope you will continue to let us know how you get on and thankyou for keeping us informed.
I am sure that a particular type of system needs to be used by bots to eliminate those downturns. It will require a complex
program, but that is I am certain the way forward for future bots.
Best Regards
Mr Chips
Mr Chips
Thanks for those words of encouragement. People much smarter than I are working to eliminate the down turns. Maybe they can; maybe they can't. I can assure you one thing: If they never even try they surely won't! And they just might!
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on July 10, 2009, 04:07:00 PM
Mr Chips
Thanks for those words of encouragement. People much smarter than I are working to eliminate the down turns. Maybe they can; maybe they can't. I can assure you one thing: If they never even try they surely won't! And they just might!
Sam
Sure hope so Sam.
Amazingly this topic isn't called TwoCatSam scam.
Only my name seems to be the one that has the suffix scam attached to the end of the topic.
Will have to read the archives to see who else has been tarnished with the word Scam.
I think Murph may have been. But that could of been my fault.
Does anybody have a list of online casinos where they allow you to use robot's to place the bets? Don't most of them have a clause in the user agreement that prohibit the use of robots? Don't they have software that detects robots?
Just wondering..
Quote from: Spike on July 10, 2009, 05:25:07 PM
Does anybody have a list of online casinos where they allow you to use robot's to place the bets? Don't most of them have a clause in the user agreement that prohibit the use of robots? Don't they have software that detects robots?
Just wondering..
I am sure we can find you some.
That will make you so happy.
A casino that allows no bots.
Try going to real one. No, not online live casinos.
I mean the brick and mortar type.
Ours down here is called SkyCity.
Its an old Railway station. They made it a Casino.
Tangram, in a way I do not even have the resources to test the bot. I have two PCs at home and a laptop. I use them all, in a roundabout way, all the time. I couldn't give one up for hours and hours, weeks and weeks. If I were given the systems I would have them coded and tested comprehensively in a week. I have direct access to a hardware-based RNG. If I want I can get fifty billion TRNG numbers, generated by the same process as BV. I don't need to test the actual bot. Only the systems matter.
As for the lack of a zero, it makes absolutely no difference to rule-based systems. In the long run neither the casino nor the player will win. To win consistently the bot would have to gain and keep a tangible edge. You cannot do that with rules. People who argue against it have no idea about the roulette process. They may think they know the game inside out, but they don't know randomness. That's why there are more losers than winners.
When a bot is coded, all that happens is rules are programmed. You tell a bot what to do and it does it, be it constantly, under certain circumstances or after a set of precise conditions have been met. Super roulette plays purely mechanical systems, not strategies as the owner regularly claims. The owner is either very ignorant or is lying. I have asked about the bot's so-called "AI", how it defines a "hot sector" and a number of other questions, none of which have been answered satisfactorily. Yes, you can know everything about the bot, but only AFTER you have surrendered your cash. Does that sound like an "investment"? No money back guarantee? What does that sound like? If you want to call it an investment, it is very high risk. You enter into it blind as a bat, without a clue of what will happen or what you can expect. If your luck is in, you will win. When you luck out you will lose.
Quote from: Spike
Does anybody have a list of online casinos where they allow you to use robot's to place the bets? Don't most of them have a clause in the user agreement that prohibit the use of robots? Don't they have software that detects robots?
Just wondering..
I don't think playtech allow them, there is something in their t&cs and they can detect them. They'll rightly refuse payouts and close your account. Apparently Betvoyager doesn't have anything in their user agreement about them, but they can definitely also detect them. I'm sure casinos like DB would welcome them.
Thomas
I was once called "TwoCatScam" although I've never offered anything for sale.
Sam
Try going to real one. No, not online live casinos.
I mean the brick and mortar type.>>>>
You mean so you can get arrested for using a cheating device like a bot? All the casinos I go to in MI will charge you with a felony for using any device. What planet do you live on?
Quote from: Spike on July 10, 2009, 08:41:58 PM
Try going to real one. No, not online live casinos.
I mean the brick and mortar type.>>>>
You mean so you can get arrested for using a cheating device like a bot? All the casinos I go to in MI will charge you with a felony for using any device. What planet do you live on?
Did I say to take in a device?
I just said go into one.
I live on planet Earth.
Home to people just like you.
Did I say to take in a device?
I just said go into one.>>
What a stupid thing to say, then. I go 'into one' 3-4 days a week, big deal.
Well Spike thinks he knows all.
And can prove all.
He tries in vain to attempt to discredit me.
And falls flat on his face.
Makes me laugh.
Keep it up Spike.
With your assistance.
I may make it to Europe yet.
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