If you have a question i can help you.
1. What is the longest serie of an even chance ever seen online?
2. Do you think it is possible to make profit if you only have 13 wins in 50 spins with a bankroll of 500 units?
Betting every spin ofcourse.
Looking forward to your answers.
Blaise Pascal gave us the answer centuries ago.A sere of 10 occurs in average 2^10=1024 spins.This row you can expect regular1024 spin s give 1024 different rows.Every row have the same chance.This is without account the Zero.
IN 1024 spins you can expect 1024/37=30 zeros.Study random rows is the basic for learning the roulettegame.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on February 19, 2011, 06:52:18 AM
Blaise Pascal gave us the answer centuries ago.A sere of 10 occurs in average 2^10=1024 spins.This row you can expect regular1024 spin s give 1024 different rows.Every row have the same chance.This is without account the Zero.
IN 1024 spins you can expect 1024/37=30 zeros.Study random rows is the basic for learning the roulettegame.
You are right, but I think you need to read the question again.
Give it another try.
Quote from: Fripper on February 19, 2011, 06:21:22 AM
1. What is the longest serie of an even chance ever seen online?
2. Do you think it is possible to make profit if you only have 13 wins in 50 spins with a bankroll of 500 units?
Betting every spin ofcourse.
Looking forward to your answers.
I can't answer the question but I see all Red or Black on the marquee all the time.
Why on earth ask about winning 13 times in 50 spins on an EC outcome?
If that started to happen you get up and walk away - playing Roulette would be a waste of time.
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 19, 2011, 11:45:15 AM
I can't answer the question but I see all Red or Black on the marquee all the time.
Wow, I see them to.
I don't know why you keep answering the questions when you don't have an answer?
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 19, 2011, 11:45:15 AM
Why on earth ask about winning 13 times in 50 spins on an EC outcome?
If that started to happen you get up and walk away - playing Roulette would be a waste of time.
Because he wondered if someone had any questions, can't I do that then?
Would it be a waste of time if I saw only 13 wins in 50 spins on my particular EC? Can't understand what you mean.
No hard feelings.
Quote from: Fripper on February 19, 2011, 06:21:22 AM
1. What is the longest series of an even chance ever seen online?
2. Do you think it is possible to make profit if you only have 13 wins in 50 spins with a bankroll of 500 units?
Betting every spin ofcourse.
Looking forward to your answers.
1. The negative expectation is not due to a certain amount - but some one could use what happen to be the most as a bench mark to be a rare event - i would say that around 32 reds or blacks in a row is the bench mark and it also apply to be 32 singels or 32 series to chop - this event has what i know occur once in world history.
It can happen again and it could be more extreme.
The negative expectation does allways find its own way sometime around any pick of bet selection or pattern once or many times in a row.
The only option - my opinion to play even money bets is to measuring strong imbalance of some kind and not force to play with or against the particular sequence and only place a bet when there is a indication of significant change present to capture formation of a different kind then the previous one.
2. I can but wont teach or judge different methods but i will comment what i believe based upon my knowledge.
I would not be suprice that some one can place many many bets with small gains and overcome larger downswings.
There is a jungel of bet selections and progression that sometimes will cut it and sometimes they don't.
With math and probability i would state the following.
Note with all does millions of simulations i run i can say that 3.0 STD is not so rare - but it is not so common that you see 12 or 14 in a row with out some kind of opposite effect that cut the formation also the record is around 5.25 STD.
There exist one true way how to observe the distribution based upon the law of series - is not a law - it is just that observation where you can apply math and probability that you can count on to a certain degree.
To talk about red and black with different formations/patterns is a waste of time as it is a false positive when it comes to how some one should read and understand randomness regarding even money distribution.
I hope this helps to some degree and i back up all my statements above if some one would argue against what i just wrote.
I also have the opinion that many players would get better results if they apply how to measuring using STD and common sense how to attack the game to gain a profit on regular basis.
Cheers
Quote from: Fripper on February 19, 2011, 01:17:13 PM
Wow, I see them to.
I don't know why you keep answering the questions when you don't have an answer? Because he wondered if someone had any questions, can't I do that then?
Would it be a waste of time if I saw only 13 wins in 50 spins on my particular EC? Can't understand what you mean.
No hard feelings.
Looking at the output of a RNG, either software or a spinning Roulette wheel is totally worthless - totally.
It doesn't matter how many Reds or Blacks appear or alternating sequence, the output means nothing.
That's all I'm telling you guys - I know many here just don't want to accept that answer and have lots invested in this rubbish but you're all just wasting your time and money.
There are no verifiable tests you can point to - zip, zilch, zero.
So get upset as much as you want but reality is reality.......
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 19, 2011, 06:44:14 PM
It doesn't matter how many Reds or Blacks appear or alternating sequence, the output means nothing.
But it can mean something if you give it meaning. But that's not enough. You must use it combined with Playing Management. That's something far beyond money management.
And, it's fun too. It's all out entertainment. Too bad you are missing out on that.
Quote from: Gizmotron on February 19, 2011, 07:54:28 PM
But it can mean something if you give it meaning. But that's not enough. You must use it combined with Playing Management. That's something far beyond money management.
And, it's fun too. It's all out entertainment. Too bad you are missing out on that.
Well, I'll have to settle for believing that random numbers are actually random.
I know that folks dying of thirst in the desert see fresh water lakes where none exist - I'm guessing this is something similar.
The burden of proof is on you guys who believe you see things where none exits - until I see a demo I'll stick with the definition of random numbers - they are random and contain nothing at all....
I Have Cookies,
Let's pretend there is no zero. Do you know the odds of 450 reds and 550 blacks in 1000 spins? What about 400 reds and 600 blacks? Do the odds change when it becomes 4,500 reds and 5,500 blacks in 10,000 spins?
Thanks for offering to help with this. Can you also tell me where to look to learn about standard deviations and odds?
Sam
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 19, 2011, 08:02:47 PM
Well, I'll have to settle for believing that random numbers are actually random.
I know that folks dying of thirst in the desert see fresh water lakes where none exist - I'm guessing this is something similar.
The burden of proof is on you guys who believe you see things where none exits - until I see a demo I'll stick with the definition of random numbers - they are random and contain nothing at all....
There's no burden of proof. You chose to see nothing. You are rewarded for seeing nothing by getting nothing. You've invested nothing. This is how it really is. Those that do the work reap their rewards. Those that complain about it reap their reward too. I am completely satisfied that you get nothing from it. Keep up the good work. Pay for your casino stool and your drinks. It's all good. It's all fun.
Quote from: MauiSunset on February 19, 2011, 08:02:47 PM
I know that folks dying of thirst in the desert see fresh water lakes where none exist - I'm guessing this is something similar.
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Quote from: Gizmotron on February 19, 2011, 08:13:56 PM
There's no burden of proof. You chose to see nothing. You are rewarded for seeing nothing by getting nothing. You've invested nothing. This is how it really is. Those that do the work reap their rewards. Those that complain about it reap their reward too. I am completely satisfied that you get nothing from it. Keep up the good work. Pay for your casino stool and your drinks. It's all good. It's all fun.
Yet you refuse to backup your grandiose claims.
I know there is nothing to random numbers and what you think you see will wipe you out in a few hours of playing Roulette right here in real time.
I sure hope you have money to blow.....
I Have Cookies,
I just want to catch your eye and refer you to my question a few posts back (in case you missed it with all the interference).
Sam
Quote from: birdhands on February 20, 2011, 01:43:24 AM
I Have Cookies,
I just want to catch your eye and refer you to my question a few posts back (in case you missed it with all the interference).
Sam
I read it.
QuoteCan you also tell me where to look to learn about standard deviation
Yes i can show you but in the same time i also have to show you how to deal with the distribution - that is a new thread/topic - do you want me to start one?
Regarding your second question so does it not matter what is periodic or average or due or not due during 1024 trails - my opinion.
The new world start from the moment when you pick your starting point from where you measuring and forward into the future as the past trails have no meaning - except your window you measuring for STD and forward.
Cheers
Birdhands:The standard deviations of random rows belong to very large or infinite samples.A normal session of a rouletteplayer consist of 100 to 250 spins.For every random row you can create a diagram of the balance.The features of such diagrams can learn you the deviations of small samples.Somewhere on the forum I have placed a diagram for High/Low.Seldom is the amplitude more than 15.In my theoretical HG I used this feature.Nobody has researched my suggestion.
I want to know about money bet strategies.I wanna to know the strategies for winning the money bets.Kindly help if you can.
Hello HunterBran,
The even money bets are at the same time the worst and the best bets available for roulette depending on who you ask or what's being spun.
They can be cruel or they can be kind or they can be cruel to be kind.
The best thing you can do if you must play the EC's is to bet with your gut when they are kind and against your gut when they are cruel.
So, when you're a dragon keep betting until you have reached your target, and when you're a worm bet against yourself until you have reached your target (or observe until you're a dragon again and then chase your target).
:)
Quote from: HunterBran on May 01, 2012, 02:47:22 AM
I want to know about money bet strategies.I wanna to know the strategies for winning the money bets.Kindly help if you can.
Learn the six point divisor for evens by Lanky.
Say you're betting red and getting lots of hits. That's concentration. Then the blacks come in droves. That's dispersion. What the divisor does is let you get through the period of dispersion and lets you recover when the next period of concentration comes.
Does it ALWAYS work? I don't know.
Lanky says professional gamblers in Australia have used it for 30 years. I find it very helpful.
Here is a system that most everyone will tell you does not work. Try it. Wait for 5 of any EC to come in ROW and the bet the opposite for 5 spins. You will win probably 90%+ of your progressions. When you do not, use the divisor to get you out of trouble. Be prepared to spend a few hours getting out. Be prepared to make some HUGE bets and NOT make any mistakes.
Your nerves and emotions can kill you!!!! You can even quit the game and come back another time and finish.
This system is not perfect and the math certainly says it won't work over a Rouzillion spins. But it's pretty darn good.
Sam
P.S. Forum, I am coining a new word: Rouzilliion. It is zillions of roulette spins. All may use it; I won't sue!
Quote from: HunterBran on May 01, 2012, 02:47:22 AM
I want to know about money bet strategies.I wanna to know the strategies for winning the money bets.Kindly help if you can.
If you want to know about a system using double dozens/columns, I can help you. It has been posted somewhere, so it is not mine.
Let me know.
Sam