bet all of them at the Same Time using Lanky 6 point Divisor Plan! reset All of the Bet when you get any profit.
dozen1 and dozen 2
dozen 2 and dozen 3
dozen 1 and dozen 3
Never lost for 6 weeks!!
can u be more specific?
Now, that's a good way to play.
For those who didn't get it, it's like 3 players betting 2 dozens/columns each, simutaneosly.
If 1 player is losing, 2 others are winning at the same time.
Is Lanky's 6 point the best progression? Have you tried other progressions?
Thanks and best wishes,
CashGrowth.
Bet all three dozens at the same time. LOL
Why are these idiots allowed to post anything here???
Hey insidebets!
I think Buju meant progressing on all double dozens at the same time.
You called him an idiot... quite heavy mate, take it easy.
Anyone testing it?
Best of luck to all,
CashGrowth.
You just cannot bet on all three dozens at the same time. Period. It REALLY is Math 101. I don't care if you bet more on one or two dozens. It makes no sense at all. It is so basic that I won't even explain why.
I will just add that anyone who does not understand this must have failed maths in grade 1.
Quote from: insidebet link=topic=16730.msg116925#msg116925 date=1280720604
You just cannot bet on all three dozens at the same time. Period.
Yes you can, as long as you use a progression...
Quote from: Ka2 on August 02, 2010, 03:26:42 AM
Yes you can, as long as you use a progression...
Oh yes. By the way try Fibonacci.
I didnt pay much attention for obvious reasons (B&M casinos would have an itch) but was not that what a guy time ago wrote in this same forum? Somebody called Pearl.
This is a NEWBIES very BAD topic....
Insidebets! I am not into MATH 101, I am into Mathematical Beauty! that is the difference between me and you!
Jean-Claud! I have played over 6 years and I have tried most systems. . .
And finally I dont post anything like most of you guys without testing. . . just try it!
My little friend ...betting on both REB or BLACK or ALL 3 DOZ is a childinsh and GF thing...
I am sorry
Quote from: Jean-Claud link=topic=16730. msg116944#msg116944 date=1280751176
My little friend . . . betting on both REB or BLACK or ALL 3 DOZ is a childinsh and GF thing. . .
I am sorry
JUST GIVE ME ANY 20 NUMBERS AND I WILL SHOW YOU HOW THIS WORKS!!! ANY NUMBER!!!!!!
Hi Buju, I have added you on to my MSN.
How do you use the progression? By increasing the same amount on every dozen equally and stop when each double-dozen wins? Do you think other light progressions can be used such as Fibonacci or '1 up as you lose' as It would be difficult to apply Lanky's progression on a land based casino.
Best wishes,
CashGrowth.
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go buju!
I m all eays to look how u play this method
Hi gents,
I have just tested it: 3 players playing a different double dozen each, using fibonacci progression, and resetting when result is +1 from previous bank roll.
Using Bayes spins (session from hell as way too many repeats, however no zeros), + 3 units @ spin 4, and even after so many dozen repeats, the bankroll was set back to 100 (initial bankroll) on the 19th spin.
Result after the 20 spins was -2 units, check xlsx file attached.
Best wishes,
CashGrowth.
Hi Buju,
Thanks for the system. Do you use the betting scheme independantly for all 3 bets, or is there 1 betting scheme? (So all bets have same amount betted on them)
Red dwarf
Quote from: Bayes link=topic=16730. msg116947#msg116947 date=1280752358
Divisor 6
Target 12
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Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
5 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D3 / Lost 4 UNIT on D2 and D3]= PROFIT 0
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
15 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 3 UNIT on D2 and D3/ Lost 4 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT +1
TOTAL PROFIT 0 +1 = +1
SO RESET
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Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
5 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D3 / Lost 4 UNIT on D2 and D3]= PROFIT 0
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
22 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 3 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Lost 4 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT +1
TOTAL PROFIT 0 +1 = +1
SO RESET
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Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
24 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 2 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Lost 4 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT 0
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
16 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 2 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Lost 6 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT -2
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 4 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
3 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Lost 4 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 4 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT +2
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
3 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Lost 6 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 3 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT -1
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 4 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
3 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Lost 8 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 3 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT -3
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 5 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
6 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Lost 10 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT -6
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 5 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
18 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 5 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Lost 4 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT +3
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 5 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
29 [Lost 4 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 5 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 3 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT +4
Bet 3 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 5 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
23 [Won 3 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 5 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Lost 6 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT +2
Bet 3 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 5 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 4 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
15 [Won 3 UNIT on D1 and D2/ Won 5 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Lost 8 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT 0
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 5 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 4 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
36 [Lost 4 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 5 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 4 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT +5
TOTAL PROFIT 0 + (-2) +2 + (-1) + (-3) + (-6 ) + 3 + 4 + 2 + 0 + 5 = +5
SO RESET
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Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
6 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D3 / Lost 4 UNIT on D2 and D3]= PROFIT 0
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
17 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2, Won 3 UNIT on D2 and D3] , [Lost 4 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT +1
TOTAL PROFIT 0 +1 = +1
SO RESET
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Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
23 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 2 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Lost 4 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT 0
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
9 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2, Won 3 UNIT on D1 and D3] , [Lost 4 UNIT on D2 and D3]= PROFIT +1
TOTAL PROFIT 0 +1 = +1
SO RESET
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19 SPIN
GRAND TOTAL PROFIT +9 UNITS
go buju!
Quote from: Cash Growth link=topic=16730. msg116952#msg116952 date=1280756264
Hi gents,
I have just tested it: 3 players playing a different double dozen each, using fibonacci progression, and resetting when result is +1 from previous bank roll.
Using Bayes spins (session from hell as way too many repeats, however no zeros), + 3 units @ spin 4, and even after so many dozen repeats, the bankroll was set back to 100 (initial bankroll) on the 19th spin.
Result after the 20 spins was -2 units, check xlsx file attached.
Best wishes,
CashGrowth.
only use 6 point divisor plan! Using Bayes spins
+9 units
Quote from: reddwarf on August 02, 2010, 11:12:08 AM
Hi Buju,
Thanks for the system. Do you use the betting scheme independantly for all 3 bets, or is there 1 betting scheme? (So all bets have same amount betted on them)
Red dwarf
see the above example, Using Bayes spins...
HI Buju. How many spins have you played in 6 weeks?
Quote from: Jean-Claud on August 02, 2010, 10:23:02 AM
I m all eays to look how u play this method
i hope you go it now!! just try live wheel number! ANY NUMBER!!!
Quote from: bene126 on August 02, 2010, 12:20:58 PM
HI Buju. How many spins have you played in 6 weeks?
between 250-300 spin per day! 40 days x 250spins = 10,000 spins AND Won about £3000, LISTEN EVERYBODY, TRY IT YOURSELF BEFORE YOU PLAY FOR REAL SO THAT YOU WILL GET CONFIDENCE!
This looks interesting buju! But are you just increasing if you lose on one of them?
like 2,2,2 units. Then you lose and then bet 2,3,2 for example. Or do you juse the six point divisor?
Fripper
buju
Why don't you play spin #1 virtual instead of real. It always ends as 0 profit and you put yourself at risk for the Zero.
Then use the results for your calculation on spin #2
TTT
Yes indeed. And we must cover the zero with a low bet, otherwise it is devestating when it hits..
Quote from: Fripper on August 02, 2010, 12:30:19 PM
This looks interesting buju! But are you just increasing if you lose on one of them? NO
like 2,2,2 units. Then you lose and then bet 2,3,2 for example. Or do you just the six point divisor? YES
Fripper
buju
Can you give us an example of your divisor betting using the run you posted.
I use the divisor also and I do not balance with the amounts you are betting on each dozen.
TTT
Quote from: TicTacToe on August 02, 2010, 12:37:17 PM
buju
Why don't you play spin #1 virtual instead of real. It always ends as 0 profit and you put yourself at risk for the Zero.
Then use the results for your calculation on spin #2
TTT
Yes of course you play spin #1 virtual instead of real... I just did that for explanation reason! (i dont want to make a confusion). Use your common sense for betting the dozens, for example instead of play D1=2 / D2=3 / D3=2 you just play the difference between the dozens, which is you only bet D2=1
Quote from: TicTacToe on August 02, 2010, 01:00:33 PM
buju
Can you give us an example of your divisor betting using the run you posted.
I use the divisor also and I do not balance with the amounts you are betting on each dozen.
TTT
JUST USE LANKY'S 6 POINT DIVISOR, BUT CHANGE YOUR TARGET FROM 6 TO 12. (TARGET= 12/ DIVISOR= 6, =INTIAL BET IS 12/6 = 2 )
Hi TicTacToe,
I have the same problem. I already found out that each double dozen is treated as a seperate game: so the bet for this specific double dozen is reset once there is an individual profit. The whole game is reset when there is an overal profit. This ends the session and restarts the 2/2/2 bet
A this ,moment I'm able to "almost" reproduce the game. Hope this helps a little bit
red dwarf
Quote from: reddwarf on August 02, 2010, 01:30:50 PM
Hi TicTacToe,
I have the same problem. I already found out that each double dozen is treated as a seperate game: so the bet for this specific double dozen is reset once there is an individual profit. The whole game is reset when there is an overal profit. This ends the session and restarts the 2/2/2 bet
A this ,moment I'm able to "almost" reproduce the game. Hope this helps a little bit
red dwarf
:thumbsup: YOU GOT IT RIGHT! THIS IS EXACTLY HOW YOU PLAY THIS METHOD!!!!
Hello there. . . Reading through your postings, very interesting :yahoo:. . . What happens if a zero is spun !!! Thanks
And cause im new to this, sorry!!!!! Can u give us a quick run down of lankys 6 point divisor. . . . :clapping:
Hi Buju,
I know I'm almost there! I have a small issue though: in the 3rd session, after the number 6 was spun, I get the following bets 2/7/2, you bet 2/5/2. I this because you use Lankys safety bracket, Or did I make a calculation mistake?
My calculation Dz2&3 in total lost 28 units after spin 6, so bet would be 40/6=> 7, not 5. where do I make the mistake?
red dwarf
By the way Paul2010, just use the search function and search for "6 point divisor"!
Ok cheers red dwarf, ill take a look. . . Do you know what happens on this system if a zero appears. . .
Quote from: reddwarf on August 02, 2010, 02:26:50 PM
Hi Buju,
I know I'm almost there! I have a small issue though: in the 3rd session, after the number 6 was spun, I get the following bets 2/7/2, you bet 2/5/2. I this because you use Lankys safety bracket, Or did I make a calculation mistake?
My calculation Dz2&3 in total lost 28 units after spin 6, so bet would be 40/6=> 7, not 5. where do I make the mistake?
red dwarf
By the way Paul2010, just use the search function and search for "6 point divisor"!
Dont forget, after spin 6, THE DIVISOR WOULD BE 8 (after 2 straight loses you add the divisor by 1, 2 straight loses you add the divisor by 2, etc... ) so the divisor NOT 6 but it would be 8, 40/8=> 5
Hello buju. . . Think i got the jist of it all. . . Just like some advise on what to do if a zero appears!!! ::)
Hi Buju,
Thanks! I'm going to check it right away.
Paul, when the zero appears all 3 double dozens loose, no problem. To reduce the impact of the zero you can apply diferential betting (As Buju already mentioned in one is post):
lets assume that we have to bet 2/3/4/ (DZ1&2 2, Dz2&3 3, Dz1&3 4), we now have to substract the minimum bet, which is 2 from all dozens, so we bet 0/1/2. If now zero hits you loose 3 in stead of 9. But in your calculations you keep on calculating with the original 2/3/4.
red dwarf
Can someone write about Lanky 6 point Divisor Plan. I found some website about it but I don't understand everything. Can someone explain this plan ?
Quote from: pablos on August 02, 2010, 05:25:12 PM
Can someone write about Lanky 6 point Divisor Plan. I found some website about it but I don't understand everything. Can someone explain this plan ?
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/)
Quote from: Kyla Shooter on August 02, 2010, 05:27:23 PM
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/)
For all you who aren't familiar with Lanky's 6 point divisor bet method. It is an excellent way to bet for any bet selection, although it is a little difficult to understand and calculate. Especially, if you are calculating for 3 separate bets.
Why not try Hermes' leveller betting system. You bet 1,1, then 2,2, then 4,4 and continue to bet 4,4 until you are even or plus. You can go another step to 8,8 and then stay at 8,8 until you are even or new high. It's a little easier to calculate your next bets and it seems to work quite nicely. You can't always prevent going into the hole for a while, but if you have enough bank, it always comes out, well, so far.
GLC
Thanks guys I think I get it now. I just misunderstood something. I am used to that 5/7 means that 5 is divided into 7 pieces not the opposite way and I had to do some little more translation because english is not my mother tongue. Since I understand Lanky (I think) I stay with it first. Thanks for help.
One more question. Do you use the rule that after two losses in the row you add to the divisor 1 ? I mean do you use basic form of Lanky plan ? baceuse in the thread you linked there some other kind of play for dozens I mean increasing divisor every 4 losses in the row. To clarify do you increase divisor always by 1 and every two losses in the row and decrease it after win ? and here we are talking about 3 people playing two dozens each or 3 people playing 1 dozen each. Would it be the same ? because 3 people playing each two dozens that would be a lot of counting in short time.
I viewed example in this topic again and I am confused. Can someone tell me the rules use here:
We start with 12/6. Can you tell me the exact rules of increasing and decreasing divisor ? beacuse here in the examples after two losses in the row stake went form 2 by 3 to 4. I dont know why ?
Shouldn't it be: Start 12/6 =2, loss, 14/6 = 3, loss, 17/7 or 6 but in both cases it is 3 isn't it ?
Ok think I understand it should be:
12/6 = 2, loss, 16/6 =3, losss, 22/7=4 right ?
I found some very helpful tool here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/?action=dlattach;attach=4830 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/?action=dlattach;attach=4830)
and in example is:
Reset
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
24 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 2 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Lost 4 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT 0
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 3 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
16 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Won 2 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Lost 6 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT -2
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 4 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
You can bet all 3 dozens or columns at the same time and be a winner but must be differential betting. His way is only painful at zeros coming. Not for US roulette.
Kapisko!
Hermes
I do not believe he bets on all 3 dozens at once. He would be a fool. I think he just shows it that way for example/tracking purposes. Differential betting is the exact same thing. Let us end that discrepancy right now.
I think the method is excellent. As long as we are sure the 6 point divisor is the way to go.
Quote from: keel44 on August 02, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
...As long as we are sure the 6 point divisor is the way to go.
I doubt you'll find better than the divisor for this. As long as the bet slection method is strong the divisor will boost it - IMO.
Well the question is then: How many times will a dozen repeat? That is the only way this will lose.
I guess it does not have to repeat, but hit 5 in a row, miss a couple, then hit 5 in a row again. I wonder if the divisor plan drags it out long enough. I really never used it before.
8)
Quote from: keel44 on August 02, 2010, 10:45:57 PM
I do not believe he bets on all 3 dozens at once. He would be a fool. I think he just shows it that way for example/tracking purposes. Differential betting is the exact same thing. Let us end that discrepancy right now.
I think the method is excellent. As long as we are sure the 6 point divisor is the way to go.
Keel,
I think you are wrong about betting all three simultaneously. In his first post he stated very clearly that we are betting on 1,2; 2,3; and 1,3 at the same time. In his example later on he showed by his play of the numbers that he is betting all three sets at the same time.
Differential betting is a must for protection against a zero.
I know that you think if you can't win by betting only the 1,2 dozens every spin or only the 2,3 dozens every spin or only the 1,3 dozens every spin, then how can you expect to win just because you put them all together? The only answer, if it indeed works, is that by winning in one or two bets you can reach a new high and reset. A long loser can be mitigated by many resets before it reaches extra large bet sizes thus killing any small wins by the other two sets.
It will obviously have losing sessions, but it might just be a long term over-all winner. With enough testing we'll see what happens. You know how often these systems can start out like gang busters only to fizzle out when the losing sessions start coming in. We all hope for the best, but most are a little doubtful.
Nice system, Buju. I've tried differential betting on E.C.'s and also on the three dozens individually, but never thought to try betting on the dozens in sets simultaneously. Bravo.
George
We have to hear it from Buju himself. I think he uses differential betting. I think he was just showing us how to track on paper. After all, you get the same result with protection from zero. Why not do it that way?
The theory on why it works is because of the 6 point divisor plan which can stretch out a repeating dozen until the table gets choppy again. The bankroll needed could be significant, so you could only play with $1 chips. I just tried for fun and I won $10 in 28 spins real easy. A short but sweet example. I will do more tests later. I am sure many will.
KEEL
Ok, but everybody agrees to better play it on single zero?
Or are some of you guys playing it on double zero??
Bob
Quote from: foreverBOB on August 03, 2010, 01:27:08 AM
Ok, but everybody agrees to better play it on single zero?
Or are some of you guys playing it on double zero??
Bob
i think a person's location is the biggest factor in which wheel they play.
Quote from: keel44 on August 03, 2010, 01:02:20 AM
We have to hear it from Buju himself. I think he uses differential betting. I think he was just showing us how to track on paper. After all, you get the same result with protection from zero. Why not do it that way?
The theory on why it works is because of the 6 point divisor plan which can stretch out a repeating dozen until the table gets choppy again. The bankroll needed could be significant, so you could only play with $1 chips. I just tried for fun and I won $10 in 28 spins real easy. A short but sweet example. I will do more tests later. I am sure many will.
KEEL
Quote from: buju on August 02, 2010, 01:01:15 PM
Yes of course you play spin #1 virtual instead of real... I just did that for explanation reason! (I dont want to make a confusion). Use your common sense for betting the dozens, for example instead of play D1=2 / D2=3 / D3=2 you just play the difference between the dozens, which is you only bet D2=1
Quote from: keel44 on August 02, 2010, 11:50:50 PM
Well the question is then: How many times will a dozen repeat? That is the only way this will lose.
I guess it does not have to repeat, but hit 5 in a row, miss a couple, then hit 5 in a row again. I wonder if the divisor plan drags it out long enough. I really never used it before.
8)
As I remember good when I was checking 700k spins from live casino from this forum maximum repeat was 12 or 13 for one dozen.
I'm testing the scheme of Buju, with differential betting. It looks awsome! (The clue is actually diff betting, without it you will get hammered).
I'm going to recheck in an hour or so, if it still holds, I'm going for a few spins in a real money RNG (I'm one of the fews who do not believe there is a difference between B&M and RNG, unless of course the RNG is rigged, but a clever casino would never do that as it is the safest way to make a lot of money (for the casino that is)
red dwarf
Hello
I think I understood the example except one thing. After third 3 came your bettings were:
3 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Lost 8 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 3 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT -3
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 5 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
6 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Lost 10 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT -6
My calculations here for D1 and D3 were target 12 and divisor 4 and the bet should be 3. I suppose that when target is 12 you reset divisor to 6 I mean you reset when you are break even ? Is that correct or I made some mistake. I am almost sure as the excel calculator from the link above do the same but I just want to be sure because I am new with this method and Lanky plan. Someone can help ?
Quote from: pablos on August 03, 2010, 01:18:07 PM
Hello
I think I understood the example except one thing. After third 3 came your bettings were:
3 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Lost 8 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 3 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT -3
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D2 EACH
Bet 5 UNIT ON D2 and D3 EACH
Bet 2 UNIT ON D1 and D3 EACH
6 [Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D2 / Lost 10 UNIT on D2 and D3 / Won 2 UNIT on D1 and D3]= PROFIT -6
My calculations here for D1 and D3 were target 12 and divisor 4 and the bet should be 3. I suppose that when target is 12 you reset divisor to 6 I mean you reset when you are break even ? YES!!! Is that correct or I made some mistake. I am almost sure as the excel calculator from the link above do the same but I just want to be sure because I am new with this method and Lanky plan. Someone can help ?
Thanks for explanations. You wrote you made 10 000 spins and 3k pounds. Can you tell what chips did you use I mean how many chips you were in plus during a day session 250-300 chips average. When I tried to understand the example it took me a while to made calculations of next step. How do you do all this calculations in short time ? Do you use any tool ? I mean in live roulette in my casino there is only 30 sec for bet that is why I ask. Do you bet on 0 in any case ?
Quote from: pablos on August 03, 2010, 01:58:46 PM
Thanks for explanations. You wrote you made 10 000 spins and 3k pounds. Can you tell what chips did you use I mean how many chips you were in plus during a day session 250-300 chips average. When I tried to understand the example it took me a while to made calculations of next step. How do you do all this calculations in short time ? Do you use any tool ? I mean in live roulette in my casino there is only 30 sec for bet that is why I ask. Do you bet on 0 in any case ?
With a lot of practice you will do the calculation in 30-40 seconds. It will be very helpful if someone do the excel for this system.
I am playing £1 chips, the maximum i have bet is £249.
nolinks.SuperCasino.com (nolinks://nolinks.supercasino.com) 1 minute to play, Minimum bet on dozens are 1 chips and Maximum bet are 1000
nolinks.smartlivecasino.com (nolinks://nolinks.smartlivecasino.com) 45 second to play, Minimum bet on dozens are 0.25 chips and Maximum bet are 500
Thanks once again. I found some excel calculator which can be used but somebody could change it and addapt to this sytem:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/?action=dlattach;attach=4830 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/?action=dlattach;attach=4830)
Unfortunately I am tied to my casino by first deposit bonus but thanks for info.
It will be very helpful if someone do the excel program for this system and Contra D'Alembert (Positive D'Alembert). please... please...PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
We can for example open that excel calculator in three tabs each for one double dozen than we should only substract lowest bet from each 3 bets. I think that for somebody who knows excel good it would be few minutes of work to addapt aboved calculator to this system.
I was wrong here because bets are for double dozens not one dozen so simple substract is wrong.
here you go,
not perfect, but useful, goto frontpage, enter the numbers in the first column, the rest is, hopefully self explaining
This is a great betting scheme, but be carefull, once in awhile you will run against the tablemax,
But if you have balls of steel, a nice profit should be possible!
Unless of course Buju has anothr nice trick up his sleeve (like do you use a safety bracker?)
red dwarf
Looks really nice but can you check it once again. I ask because after the first bet when we bet for example 1 on each dozen profit shouldn't be 0 in all cases except 0. Can I delete this 28 to start using it ? Can we change the target in three tabs from 6 to 12 and it will work good also ?
And two more questions. Does it reset after overall profit or we have to do this manually ? and how to reset it manually do we have to close the file and open it again or there is some other way ? and last question how to extend this tables because after about 100 spins there is nothing :)
is this better?
I made a mistake in the calculation of the per spin profit.
If I'm not mistake, when you change the divisor on the tab Dz12, it will change for all tabs.
I also added the safety break settings on the first page because I did not want to debug the original script.
if you have questions, maybe we can chat, works way faster
red dwarf
oops small mistake in total profit calculation (sorry, I'm kind of tired)
I think it is good to post here questions that way other people can benefit but I sent you my skype. One more thing concerns me now. Maybe I am wrong but I think that after first bet we should bet on two dozens the same higher amount and on third dozen basic bet. Maybe I understood it wrong. Bet in the cells mean the bets on each dozen or bet on each pair of dozens ? Can you check it and answer ?
Maybe just do this when you have more time and will be not tired and meanwhile people post here their questions and concerns.
Hi Pablos,
The cells show the bet on dozen (so we actually bet twice that amount). By the way, here you have version 4, I added a simple reset button.
Although I can make it way nicer and smarter, this works for me, I hope it does work for you.
By the way, I'm a total technology laggard, so I do not have skype, we can chat using the vlsroulette chatbox though!
red dwarf
Quote from: reddwarf on August 03, 2010, 05:27:42 PM
oops small mistake in total profit calculation (sorry, I'm kind of tired)
You are great!!! :thumbsup:
but one more correction... it has to be reset (end of session) after total profit. on your excel data, in bet 3 after 35 come it needs to be restart because we are in profit. anyway great job!
Hi Buju,
The reset I still have to fix, here you have the item you requested via chat
Hi Buju,
Reset I still have to fix, here you have the item you requested by chat
By the way, just delete the numbers in the first column, tehy are linked to my simulator...
Hi all
This calculator is great .... the only thing missing is the differential calculator.
I'd do it, but I'm a totally null with excel.
Thanks for the sheets guys.
TTT
Hi TicTacToe,
I'm waiting for a personal message from Pablos, according to him something is wrong. Once I've troubleshouted I will add the differential column
red dwarf
added bets per dozen and differential bet,
pablos can you please check?
Buju, you should be able to check the contra d'alembert implementation
G'day,
Good on you guys, this is how to get ahead, work together!!
Glenn.
Hello Glenn my friend! Anything new? Ken
G'day Ken,
Just working on getting my system tested on 10 million decisions from random. org,
this is about 2 - 2.5 million placed!
a previous version passed the 1 million placed test.
It will take a while to convert the program to run that many decisions.
It looks like it will be to complicated to play at a B & M without using a PDA!!
Luckily we have a 10 - 5000$ airball here in Sydney where you're allowed to use computers!
Glenn.
added contra d'alembert
Hi minibaccarat,
you really make me curious. Of course I understand that you want to keep the system to yourself, but can you give a glimpse?
red dwarf
a snapshot of a simulated run: in other words, in a B&M you will almost certain win! (unless you'll keep on using this system)
Could you check it with diffrent table limits ? Cheating table limits we can increase bet per dozen even to 8000 chips.
he spreadsheet does not accomodate it yet, but applied time simple dozens (with specific settings) it is as amazing as buju's claims!
I'm quite busy the rest of the week , so maybe I'm able to post a few results next week.
red dwarf
By the way pablos, you are right, table limits do influence the result a lot! Hopefyully next week I'll have an update
I dont know if you used excel for test but I think there are still some mistakes. Maybe I dont understand something but for example: 16 target, 6 divisor and there is unit 4. For me it is not correct. Unit should be 3. Maybe you changed some sets I dont understand or I dont know but that is my opinion. Can you repost or check it ? Check each tablet DZ12 etc for losses. There is weird way the target, divisor and units are changed or maybe I dont understand something.
Maybe it is time to leave it for today :)
i have been looking to the excel very carefully and there is a big mistake.....
Buju where did you find mistake ? For me tablet DZ13 acts weird but I cant find the reason. (but I check ver.6)
Quote from: pablos on August 03, 2010, 10:02:28 PM
Buju where did you find mistake ? For me tablet DZ13 acts weird but I cant find the reason.
I will explain in to you everything tomorrow... talk to you tomorrow... by the way we should thank reddwarf for his hard work!
Yes thanks reddwarf for your great effort. I think for me it is also enough for today.
Hello
I try to do my own excel calculator from begining but I need some help. First of all I studied once again example of buju and something is different in my calculations: after 15 came my calculations for Dozens 13 were target 27 divisor 6 and bet 5. I dont know if it is just small mistake or I didn't understand something. I want to know to avoid any mistakes in my calculator. The second: can you tell me what safety divisor break, safety target break and ony other breaks if exists mean ? because I dont know what they mean I cant apply them in my calculations. So far the rules I know are:
Divisor 6, Target 12, increase divisor after two losses in a row, decrease divisor after win, when target for pair of dozens is < 12 start from begin for this pair, after overall profit reset all. Someone can help ? and what are your experiences with this system ?
Quote from: reddwarf on August 03, 2010, 09:04:01 PM
a snapshot of a simulated run: in other words, in a B&M you will almost certain win! (unless you'll keep on using this system)
What wonder me most is what was starting capital and what is the probability that that sytem can duoble up the bankroll before it crashed ? If it is more then 50% then it is very good sytem if you know what I mean. Because do we really need a system that never lose or just a system which can win more than lose ?
I made excel calculator but with basics settings. I see that stake can go high fast especially when after many losses few win come in a row then divisor can go down to even 2 and stakes are still high. Some additional settings are needed. Any ideas ? Buju can you tell your all rules you used ?
Quote from: pablos on August 05, 2010, 12:53:50 AM
Hello
I try to do my own excel calculator from begining but I need some help. First of all I studied once again example of buju and something is different in my calculations: after 15 came my calculations for Dozens 13 were target 27 divisor 6 and bet 5. I dont know if it is just small mistake or I didn't understand something. I want to know to avoid any mistakes in my calculator. The second: can you tell me what safety divisor break, safety target break and ony other breaks if exists mean ? because I dont know what they mean I cant apply them in my calculations. So far the rules I know are:
Divisor 6, Target 12, increase divisor after two losses in a row, decrease divisor after win, when target for pair of dozens is < 12 start from begin for this pair, after overall profit reset all. Someone can help ? and what are your experiences with this system ?
What wonder me most is what was starting capital and what is the probability that that sytem can duoble up the bankroll before it crashed ? If it is more then 50% then it is very good sytem if you know what I mean. Because do we really need a system that never lose or just a system which can win more than lose ?
I made excel calculator but with basics settings. I see that stake can go high fast especially when after many losses few win come in a row then divisor can go down to even 2 and stakes are still high. Some additional settings are needed. Any ideas ? Buju can you tell your all rules you used ?
yes sometimes the stakes can go high... here is the recent setting I am using to reduce high stake and reduce long string,
DIVISOR=6, TARGET= 6, NO SAFTYBREAK! and sometimes I combine with Contra D'Alembert for last dozen (increase the stake by one chip when you win on last dozen, decrease the stake by one chip when you lose on last dozen.)
I even start betting on both all dozens and all columns together at the same time so that you can reset quickly without getting the stake high! I am still winning.... BUT WE DEFIANTLY NEED EXCEL CALCULATOR!
send me your excel calculator and let me have a look.
I made excel calculator but only with basic rules which I described above. I made it in Open Office but it should work in MS Office as well. Some additional settings are needed because stakes can go really high when divisor go down to even 1. I hope calculations are good but I can't guarantee that. Please check it first on some manual example.
nolinks://uploading.com/files/e525cedc/buju_lanky_dozens_beta.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/e525cedc/buju_lanky_dozens_beta.xls/)
Added possibility to change divisor and target. Seems to work good but check it first on some manual example:
nolinks://uploading.com/files/mb25bf7c/buju_lanky_dozens_ch_beta.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/mb25bf7c/buju_lanky_dozens_ch_beta.xls/)
I don't know why but these links seems to be expired. I attached files to the post. These version I made long time ago but I think these are the same. File ...400.xls is the same as first but has 400 records because first has only 100.
The divisor shouldn't get that low. To control stakes you need to bring in a new divisor and add a new target when it gets to 4 or 3, thus it becomes a grinding strategy. I have used it extensively in the past and found it to be a moderately effective progression but the bets can still get out of hand in a bad drawdown. It's quite versatile, for example you don't just need to use a divisor of 6, yet it's also in many ways unremarkable, ie it can land you in a lot of trouble.
What settings do you suggest ? I thought about adding new basic target and divisor when divisor should go down from 3 to 2 I mean the lowest divisor I allow is 3. That was my assumption when I was playing with target 12 and divisor 6. What do you think ? It would be ok ?
Yes, that is what is recommended in the original divisor thread. However there are no real rules for the divisor, I mean there are no optimal settings. You can define the divisor and when to use the saftey brake according to your bankroll etc, in attempt to stop the bets spiralling out of control. You need to tinker with it yourself in order to find something that is acceptable. It must be said though that in a bad drawdown it becomes harder and harder to break even no matter what you do. These drawdowns are already built into the game and by using a fixed bet selection they are unavoidable. Technically it should be impossible to discover any bet selection that works with a progression.
Ok I understand. It must be adequate to the situation and my bankroll. Have to think about it.
Quote from: Number Six on August 08, 2010, 03:55:47 PM
Yes, that is what is recommended in the original divisor thread. However there are no real rules for the divisor, I mean there are no optimal settings. You can define the divisor and when to use the saftey brake according to your bankroll etc, in attempt to stop the bets spiralling out of control. You need to tinker with it yourself in order to find something that is acceptable. It must be said though that in a bad drawdown it becomes harder and harder to break even no matter what you do. These drawdowns are already built into the game and by using a fixed bet selection they are unavoidable. Technically it should be impossible to discover any bet selection that works with a progression.
I totally agree with Number Six. The six point divisor is as good as any betting system because with the safety brake option, you can control your bet size. The problem is the more you apply the safety brake, the longer it will take to finally reach your win target. I have come to the conclusion that a bet selection that doesn't win with a flat bet, won't win in the long run with a progression. Even the 6 point divisor. It just appears to keep you ahead but only until things balance out. The 6 point divisor's main value is that it helps keep your bets within your bankroll, so your losses don't add up so quickly. But, it may take hours, days, weeks, etc... to finally get out of the hole.
In the long run it's not much different than just taking the loss and recovering through normal play. It's like splitting the line with the cancellation betting method. In a bad enough downturn, it can take forever to play out the split lines and finally come out on top.
Just my take on it,
GLAC
The 6 point divisor was intended for horse racing if I am not mistaken. Where odds are all over the place.
I just made a calculator with safety break and I see that that bets are lower but total profit is lower as well. I made safety break when divisor would like to go down from 3 to 2 and then another target 12 is added and divisor 6 to present one. I am just after doing this and I did it on first version so divisor and target can not be changed but you can download it if you want.
target 12, divisor 6 (can't be changed), safety break at divisor lower than 3
nolinks://uploading.com/files/b9bm15m4/buju_lanky_sf3.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/b9bm15m4/buju_lanky_sf3.xls/)
I didn't check it for mistakes yet so be careful nad take a look first and do some tests
I made safety break depending on divisor size. I think it would be better to make it dpenending on bet size.
Anyone try to play this system yet except buju ?
Quote from: buju link=topic=16730. msg117116#msg117116 date=1280857549
It will be very helpful if someone do the excel program for this system and Contra D'Alembert (Positive D'Alembert). please. . . please. . . PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I wrote a script for roulette extreme several months ago, playing "normal" d'Alembert on RED/BLACK even chances, independently.
This system never won, no matter which spin sets I fed into the roulette extreme. And the loss was much higher than 2. 7%.
I still don't understand why it never won. . .
Florin and did you maybe try to write some script for this system ?
No, it's today when I have read this thread and I'm not very fast in writing scripts.
I ask because any help would be appreciated. :) I am also not expert of excel but I wanted to add few more functions. I think that playing columns and dozens (I am working on it) in the same time it is a good idea but playing without safe break is dangerous even with target 6. I made some tests and when there is no safety break fluctuations of bankroll can be really high.
Like I supposed playing with safety break is better that without it but safety break depending on divisor value is not good either because lowest divisor 3 doesn't mean than bet can't be high. Sometimes bets go high. I don't know maybe changing it for 4 would change it some way but I think that best solution would be safety break depending on value of bet although firts test I made weren't a good as I thought.
I made calculator for betting in the same time on dozens and columns.
6 Divisor, 6 Target, no safety break
nolinks://uploading.com/files/22mdabdm/buju_lanky_dozens_6_6_dc2.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/22mdabdm/buju_lanky_dozens_6_6_dc2.xls/)
here you insert numbers in column X on main page instead of C as it was in previous version
I tried to apply safety break like in 12/6 calculator but when I made test the results were terrible so I dont know if I made some mistakes or just this safety break caused this. I made some test on 1000 spins on the calculator above and graph looks nice going steadily up but sometimes sharp slumps can be really big. I think that sometimes safety break can cause bets even higher than without it. It is because without safety break stakes reset more often and when the safety break is applied then after one bad series stakes doesn't make it to reset before the second bad series come. I think that it is needed safety break depending on bet value or for example depending on loss value but so far I couldn't make it.
i cant download the file from the link provided keeps saying download limit reached which i never downloaded anything from the site
I don't know why. There is no any problem on my computer just have to wait some time before download but try this.
Are you suppose to reset back to your base bets when profit reaches new high point? This program you made does not do this, but it is a good tool.
thanks
KEEL
Yes buju play this way I mean reset stakes whenever overall profit is reached. This calculator doesn't do this but you can simply remove all numbers and start all over again. So far I didn't figure out how to make reset automatic besides first I would like to apply some other functions. If you know how to do such a function any help would be appreciated :) If you use it to play note that there is no safety break in this calculator. Although target is only 6 stakes can go really high sometimes so be careful.
Here I applied 12 target, 6 divisor and divisor 3 safety break in calculator aboved.
nolinks://uploading.com/files/5385ace2/buju_lanky_dozens_12_6_dc2sf3.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/5385ace2/buju_lanky_dozens_12_6_dc2sf3.xls/)
but as I wrote safety break divisor in present form isn't as good as it should be. Test it and tell me what are your opinions and outcomes.
can u attach the file instead please cant downtload from the link
Too big to attach it here. Have to upload it somewhere else. Do you wait before download ? To free download you need to wait some time on the website above.
I dont know why you have some troubles with uploading.com. Maybe you just dont wait enough time. Anyway try this.
nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/jfci1c (nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/jfci1c)
Hi Pablos. . .
these file are incorrect.
it watches this screen. . .
the version with (Divisor, 6 Target, no safety break) works very well. . . .
thanks a lot... for your job !!
I have to check it but maybe you put numbers in wrong column. In version for dozens and columns you insert numbers only in column X not in column C (it won't work then). I wrote about it in post about 6/6 no safety break. It pertains to both versions. I thought it was clear. At first sight second version works good. I have to take a detailed look.
I insert the numbers in column x, but this is the result...
I have to take a look. On my computer it looks like work good. I use and made it in Open Office but it should work good in MS Office as well although I dont guarantee that but I think it is not the reason. Did you do something else with the file or put some other numbers somewhere else ? Maybe try download once again and can you tell me which link did you use to download ?
I have still download the program, but the problem is equal
to this link:
nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/jfci1c (nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/jfci1c)
Here is how it looks on my computer. Does anyone else have the same problem with this file ? On my computer looks good. My only though now is that maybe it is caused by different language or program used to open the file if you use MS Office. I 'll check it once again maybe I used some letters which your program dont recognize. Here are the same commands as in version 12/6 s safety break for dozens only. If that version worked good for you ?
Can you check it ?
nolinks://uploading.com/files/b9bm15m4/buju_lanky_sf3.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/b9bm15m4/buju_lanky_sf3.xls/)
Hey Pablo
i tried it and it works .. and i dont even use excel .. i use open office scalc ..
thnx cheerz
Quote from: pablos on August 09, 2010, 01:33:55 PM
I ask because any help would be appreciated. :) I am also not expert of excel but I wanted to add few more functions. I think that playing columns and dozens (I am working on it) in the same time it is a good idea but playing without safe break is dangerous even with target 6. I made some tests and when there is no safety break fluctuations of bankroll can be really high.
Like I supposed playing with safety break is better that without it but safety break depending on divisor value is not good either because lowest divisor 3 doesn't mean than bet can't be high. Sometimes bets go high. I don't know maybe changing it for 4 would change it some way but I think that best solution would be safety break depending on value of bet although firts test I made weren't a good as I thought.
I made calculator for betting in the same time on dozens and columns.
6 Divisor, 6 Target, no safety break
nolinks://uploading.com/files/22mdabdm/buju_lanky_dozens_6_6_dc2.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/22mdabdm/buju_lanky_dozens_6_6_dc2.xls/)
here you insert numbers in column X on main page instead of C as it was in previous version
I tried to apply safety break like in 12/6 calculator but when I made test the results were terrible so I dont know if I made some mistakes or just this safety break caused this. I made some test on 1000 spins on the calculator above and graph looks nice going steadily up but sometimes sharp slumps can be really big. I think that sometimes safety break can cause bets even higher than without it. It is because without safety break stakes reset more often and when the safety break is applied then after one bad series stakes doesn't make it to reset before the second bad series come. I think that it is needed safety break depending on bet value or for example depending on loss value but so far I couldn't make it.
this version work
QuoteI don't know why. There is no any problem on my computer just have to wait some time before download but try this.
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/try-it!!/?action=dlattach;attach=6113 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/full-systems/try-it!!/?action=dlattach;attach=6113)
and this version..
work for me..
If you use Open Office can you check this one ? and if problem still occur can you check each dozen tab and show me some example how it look ?
I use 2.2 version of Open Office and it works good on my computer.
nolinks://uploading.com/files/a79497e9/buju_lanky_dozens_12_6_dc2sf3%25282%2529.ods/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/a79497e9/buju_lanky_dozens_12_6_dc2sf3%25282%2529.ods/)
I have open this file with 2 programs
1: OpenOffice 3.2
2: Microsoft Excel 2003
this the result....
Hey Pablo
Both sheets work perfectly with open office i use 3.1 .. thnx for your work ..
btw.. did a quick test with some wiesbaden spins .. highest bet was 1188 units .. scary .. but still ended up way in profit ..
cheerz
I dont know why there is a problem with this newest calculator. I have to check it. Maybe I should upgrade my open office nad see then. I used the same commands as in 12/6 3 safety break for dozen. I have to compare these two files but I dont know if I find the mistake because on my computer everything works good anyway I will try.
Quote from: Breeze88 on August 15, 2010, 07:42:22 AM
Hey Pablo
Both sheets work perfectly with open office I use 3.1 .. thnx for your work ..
btw.. did a quick test with some wiesbaden spins .. highest bet was 1188 units .. scary .. but still ended up way in profit ..
cheerz
What you mean by both sheets work with open office 3.1. You say about both 12/6 and 6/6 for dozens and columns with .xls extension or about this last with .ods extension ?
That is why I want to apply different safety break. Safety break in present form is good but dont guarantee that bets wont go high.
ok thanks many...
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
pablo
those two sheets work with open office 3.1
nolinks://uploading.com/files/b9bm15m4/buju_lanky_sf3.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/b9bm15m4/buju_lanky_sf3.xls/)
nolinks://uploading.com/files/a79497e9/buju_lanky_dozens_12_6_dc2sf3%25282%2529.ods/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/a79497e9/buju_lanky_dozens_12_6_dc2sf3%25282%2529.ods/)
Ok Thanks for respond so there is still some problem with this xls file. When saving in Open Office some file as a xls file there is a warning that it may cause some problems but it is weird that problem is only with this file.
Quote from: Breeze88 on August 15, 2010, 08:19:07 AM
pablo
those two sheets work with open office 3.1
nolinks://uploading.com/files/b9bm15m4/buju_lanky_sf3.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/b9bm15m4/buju_lanky_sf3.xls/)
nolinks://uploading.com/files/a79497e9/buju_lanky_dozens_12_6_dc2sf3%25282%2529.ods/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/a79497e9/buju_lanky_dozens_12_6_dc2sf3%25282%2529.ods/)
Thanks Breeze....
but it does not work to me
equal errors... :( :(
how do i reset when your ahead
You just have to delete all numbers and start again.
one last thing im still not sure im just playing how is told on the post,do i make bet for example 1st dozen came and then if the chart showing bet 2nd and 3rd dozen do i start my bettings then please clarify.cheers
You just insert first number and then start betting. The first bet is always on the different dozens than the dozen which number came from. When you are in profit then you start from begining. Buju just posted some other calcualtor in new thread maybe he changed some rules I don't know but this is a play according to rules in this thread.
which excel calculator has got the safety break can someone please attach it for me.thanks
As I saw many people had some problem to work these files properly. I made them in some older version of Open Office 2.2.0. You can download it from here:
nolinks://nolinks.oldapps.com/openoffice.php?old_openoffice=5#Download (nolinks://nolinks.oldapps.com/openoffice.php?old_openoffice=5#Download)
I don't use english version but I think that it should be ok as well. If the problem still exist I can upload my version of software. I don't know why it is incompatible with newer version of Open Office or excel.
can we use this system on no zero table ? thx
Yes you can use this system on the zero table roulette if you want. I just prefer live roulette than RNG and I assume you think about RNG telling about no zero roulette.
I created some new version where you can change safety break divisor. It is in the cell S7 in the main tab. Safety break divisor should be between 1 and 6 but sheet do the calculations with higher one as well. Safety break between 6 and 12 has some sense although it was intended to be lower or equal 6. Safety break above 12 has no sense at all because then it would be higher then target. Lower safety break means higher profit but higher risk that we will be broke. Safety break 1 means no safety break at all. Higher safety break means lower risk but lower profit also. I like 4, 5 or even higher like 6 or 7 but you can use your own. Previous version had safety break 3 so you have some comparison if you used it.
You can download it from here:
nolinks://uploading.com/files/471bc3ec/buju_lanky_sf3ab.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/471bc3ec/buju_lanky_sf3ab.xls/)
Quote from: pablos on December 19, 2010, 04:43:33 PM
Yes you can use this system on the zero table roulette if you want. I just prefer live roulette than RNG and I assume you think about RNG telling about no zero roulette.
I created some new version where you can change safety break divisor. It is in the cell S7 in the main tab. Safety break divisor should be between 1 and 6 but sheet do the calculations with higher one as well. Safety break between 6 and 12 has some sense although it was intended to be lower or equal 6. Safety break above 12 has no sense at all because then it would be higher then target. Lower safety break means higher profit but higher risk that we will be broke. Safety break 1 means no safety break at all. Higher safety break means lower risk but lower profit also. I like 4, 5 or even higher like 6 or 7 but you can use your own. Previous version had safety break 3 so you have some comparison if you used it.
You can download it from here:
nolinks://uploading.com/files/e4ed85cf/buju_lanky_sf3ab.xls/ (nolinks://uploading.com/files/e4ed85cf/buju_lanky_sf3ab.xls/)
I would try it but that website doesn't want to play nice haa
another link
nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/np2u52 (nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/np2u52)
This is not an insidebet system you should understand it. I will bet all 3 and win most of the time. Clever progression is the key. The negative side of it if too many zeros come in short period of time! Covering zero all the time is costly.
Hermes
I played for some time with these new safety breaks. I thought that 4 or 5 is really good to use but with these safety breaks there is still possibility that we will be broke. These safety breaks are applied just more often than 2 or 3 and bets are kept lower but in a bad series we need more time to be in plus. I thought about two ways of playing with this system. First method is safety break 1 which means no safety break at all. In this method we don't use reset but we use stop loss and reset when we reach profit or loss which is for example 100 chips. In other words we dont use safety break (we use 1) and we don't stop playing (we don't remove numbers) until we reach profit or loss for example 100 or 200 chips or whatever you want. I think 100 is ok but you can use your own and you just have to stick with it. When you reach this profit or loss then you reset and start new progression. In this method we need at least 50% progressions in plus to be in plus overall. I did some tests and it was hard to say if it was more or less 50% progressions in plus. It was just small sample. You just have to try it yourself but I think that it can be a good method.
The second method is playing with some higher safety break like for example 7. Although there is still a chance to be broke with every safety break there are some better and worse safety breaks. I think that 7 is one of the best for long term playing which means that in the begining we can be very often in minus and we need many bets to be in plus but bets are kept quite low. Earlier I wrote that safety break should be lower or equal 6. Safety break 7 (and everyone between 7 and 12) acts similar like divisor 7 (or any other between 7 and 12) with no safety break. In other words safety break between 7 and 12 in some way replaces divisor. The bad thing about this method is that quite often we meet minus profit in the begining and we need many bets to be in plus that is why it is very hard to use it in live roulette (very long time needed) but not everyone has trust in RNG that is why you have to decide yourself if you want to play this way. In this method you can use some higher stop profit or stop loss like 300, 500 chips or even higher or you can use 100 or 200 from first method or you can play in standard mode and reset whenever you are in profit.
These are just my ideas maybe you have yours. Just try it if you want.
Quote from: buju link=topic=16730. msg116913#msg116913 date=1280702813
bet all of them at the Same Time using Lanky 6 point Divisor Plan! reset All of the Bet when you get any profit.
dozen1 and dozen 2
dozen 2 and dozen 3
dozen 1 and dozen 3
Never lost for 6 weeks!!
I understand what you are saying, i have seen this theory before else where, you use a progression on the losing dozen, system a(1d2d) system b (2d3d) system c (1d3d)
for an example if dozen 2 hits ( system a and b wins) even though you dont gain from the first spin it when you use a progression, thats when you start to gain money. use a progression on system c and keep the other bets the same. i tested this theory out over a thousand spins and won all the time but you can still lose and if you do its high.
hi darrynf
could you please explain your way with the progression further with few spins. Buju,s way is to much complicated. a bit morer explanation with the progression will be helpful.
thanks
catalyst
Quote from: catalyst on January 13, 2011, 11:35:34 PM
hi darrynf
could you please explain your way with the progression further with few spins. Buju,s way is to much complicated. a bit morer explanation with the progression will be helpful.
thanks
catalyst
i wouldnt use the system as i know it can lose high, i think he has explain it well. i think when i tested it i used a martinggale on the dozen that loss, i cant remember much but i know i wouldnt use this system but if you took out the money that you won then it wouldnt matteras much cause you cant lose whats not there.
more then likely you will make more money then your br but take it out after you have finish and dont play to longer turns
best system i found so far, thx buju :biggrin:
On the second page buju explained one example but if you can't understand it still than first you should read this topic
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/6-point-divisor-plan/) about Lanky plan which you can use on dozens, colours etc. I couldn't understand it too in the begining. Besides you can use excel calculator which were made to not to calculate everything manual. In the last version of calculator you can change safety break and when you set 1 then there is no safety break and it is the same as buju playing but you have to remove all numbers whenever you are in plus and then start again. When you calculate everything manual then you can use safety break whenever you want and this is advantage of playing manual comparing to use some excel calculator with safety break. I thought about doing some safety break "on demand" in excel calculator but so far I didn't. Buju system don't use martignale. First understand Lanky divisor plan on one dozen then you should understand buju system.
i dont use martingale, i use the excel calculator that have 6 point divisor.
hi pablos!
Are you play on this system now? how much you won?
Vyacheslav, Ufa
To be honest I haven't played with this sytem very much because I spent much time on creating these excel calculators. I created many versions as you can see. When I made one then I started to test it, then I played with it, then when I realized that I can lose, when I met really bad session then I started to create some new version and so on. I am in plus but few times I was on the edge of void because I didn't use some stop loss. Sooner or later with every calculator you can meet series that kills you. You can try some stop loss or some high safety break or something else and maybe you will win. Anyway so far I didn't find the way to win all the time with this system. I think that the key can be stop loss or playing like buju on a paper with pencil than we can use safety break whenever we want and I think that this is advantage of playing comparing to use some excel calculatr where safetybreaks are applied atomatically but to try it we need some RX coding or some long term playing. Some people say that with stop loss it can be a winning system. I haven't played long enough to confirm that. I think that excel calculator with safety break "on demand" would be really good but I don't know if I can do this in excel maybe for some time and playing with paper and pencil requires really fast counting especially when we playing on live roulette.
I agree with you that the stop loss is a good thing, without a stop loss we will have a large rate. I can not understand how buju combining this system with Contra D'Alembert for last dozen. Do you have relationship with buju? when you're offered their calculators buju gone so fast.
sorry for my english))
I made a few calculators as well as you. I had the same problem as you. This is a deadly series of:
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I had a bet 730 and total profit of -2400, this is bad.
I contacted buju only via this forum. One user wrote ha had quite good outcomes using stop loss. He wrote he play quite long and he is in plus. He uses some stop loss like for example 250 units per bet. I dont know maybe I have bad luck or he has good luck but I tried recently to use stop loss like this and I was winning for few days but today I had terrible session, almost 1000 units loss. For these few days I won maybe 100 - 150 units. I dont have these numbers but one coulmn hit only once during about 25 spins.
I think the need to combine with Contra dalembert for last dozen when profit -50 units, or not to put a dozen after 4 or 5 losses.
I wrote to buju in the Email, he does not respond.
When progression takes place and a zero number appears you get dipper with your bankroll.
This system is like playing "RUSSIAN ROULETTE"!
John
That is why I wrote that playing manual is better than excel calculator because our safety break is felxible, then we can use it whenever we want and with calculator we have safety break which is applied always in the same moment and situation. Besides you can cover 0 if stakes are really high if you want.
There are 3 ways to solve the problem.
1. We must tell ourselves time STOP,
2. using roulette without zero,
2. watch the behavior of dozen.
There is a waste of time to look for patterns in random numbers, I think so.
I wrote this already that stop loss can be the key because without it bad serie is only a matter of time. I dont use RNG so I play only live roulette with 0. I don't know what do you mean by behavior of 10.
What do you mean by behaviour of dozen, waiting for one dozen to repeat x times for example or waiting for one dozen to be only x times during last y spins ? The one thing I think can be good with playing this system is: when we have bad serie then usually one dozen hit quite often and we bet two other dozens for example dozen 1 hit quite often then stakes for 2 and 3 go up and we have bad serie so when bad serie ends then I think that maybe it is a good idea to start new serie from the same number which started previous bad serie maybe not the same number but I mean start betting again from dozen 2 and 3 because it is low propability that we will meet the same bad serie with 1 dozen to be hit often.
As I wrote one user wrote to me he was winning quite long using some stop loss like 250 units per bet. He wrote he was winning quite long and met only one such a bad serie. He was using 6 target, 6 divisor calculator with no safety break which is for playing dozens and columns in the same time so it is the way buju was playing for some time but as I wrote when I was playing this way I was winning for few days but after that I lost in one session almost 1000 chips losing more than I won earlier. I don't know if he had just good luck or me bad luck but you can try it if you want.
I know there is such a thing as "Bad luck" - I've seen it several times while playing casino games.
There is also a thing called "Good luck" - I've seen it several times while playing casino games.
I'd say it happens to me 5% on the bad side and 5% on the good side, with 90% of the time normal luck.
Statistics guarantees that these two extremes exist - do you know what they feel like?
Just yesterday I was trying out some concepts on Rushmore, with real money, and the first spin was a Green 0, lost the next spin and then another Green 0 and then another Green 0. The method I was trying out, for real, was bombing out as it has never done in 500 practice spins.
I realized that I was hip deep in "Bad luck" and just closed the session and came back in 30 minutes with everything acting like the 500 spins before - "normal luck".
Now if I didn't realize what "bad luck" was I'd have dug my heels in and lost 10 times as much money. Normally the second Green 0 would have gotten my attention in 3 spins but I was so focused on doing the new technique correct that it took a 3rd Green 0 in 4 spins to slap me upside the head.
Know the difference.............
P.S.
This was the 3rd time I tried the new technique for real, the 2 tries before acted like "normal luck", the 2 tries since then acted like "normal luck". I don't expect to see "bad luck" for a while, (knock on wood).....
Quote from: pablos link=topic=16730. msg128686#msg128686 date=1297283137
What do you mean by behaviour of dozen, waiting for one dozen to repeat x times for example or waiting for one dozen to be only x times during last y spins ?
For example:
One dozen not fall out of 5 or 4 times, then we stop to put on it and freeze the accounts. Then we wait when the ten rolled 2 or 3 times in a row and are starting to put on it.
I want to understand how to use the Contra Dalembert how buju to use it . Pablos or someone else, you can show how you get this add-on to the system? This is an important note which must not be forgotten. I'll show you how I figured it out a bit later.
I have a couple of interesting ideas to this system, for them I'll tell you later.
Quote from: konor on February 13, 2011, 06:20:29 PM
For example:
One dozen not fall out of 5 or 4 times, then we stop to put on it and freeze the accounts. Then we wait when the ten rolled 2 or 3 times in a row and are starting to put on it.
I want to understand how to use the Contra Dalembert how buju to use it . Pablos or someone else, you can show how you get this add-on to the system? This is an important note which must not be forgotten. I'll show you how I figured it out a bit later.
I have a couple of interesting ideas to this system, for them I'll tell you later.
To all you folks who believe that the past history of a Roulette wheel magically affects future spins, try this simple experiment:
Whenever you get a "magical" signal, on an EC bet, just look at the last number spun and flip a coin - heads you go with the last number and tails you do the opposite.
You will find that a random decision is exactly the same as your "magical" signal - no difference, zip.
That means you have nothing.............
I also didn't use contra Dalembert and I don't know how buju did it. I only used basic rules and safety break but I thought about this system recently and I came to the conclusion that buju system actually doesn't differ very much from pure Lanky plan on double dozen so I thought about come back to Lanky plan and playing with paper and pencil then we can apply safety break whenever we want and in whatever form we want I mean we have more control over stakes because so far none calculator has some flexible safety break.
I only checked it once but you can do some simple test. Take some calculator put some numbers in it to make bad serie then look at dozens where bet are high for example you have bad serie and bets for dozen 1 and 2 went high so go to the tab DZ12 where calculations for pair of dozen 1 and 2 are made and look at the unit bet then you will see how the bets would be if you were playing with Lanky plan only on one pair of dozens. Then you will see that bets in main tab are similar as bets in that pair of dozens. Bet in buju system can be little lower but it is not big difference in my opinion.
i dont think a stop loss will work with this system or any for that matter.
this system can have a dozen sleep for 30+ and if its the one you have your bets on, which happens more often then not.
remember if one dozen hits then two dozens are losing, sorry to say but this strategy dosent work and i have played it, it dosent matter what progression you used.
i would use virtual betting and keep trck of it that way and bet real money on the one that has the lowest bet, not sure if it helps i havent done this but this system losses to big when it losses.
i think most win come before the 6th progression, so after a win from the 6th progression i would stop the session as it all ways seem to get higher, you always win the first few games.
maybe the stop loss should be after so many games, one thing i notice is that after a win the next win gets gigher in the progression, so either stop after a win on the 6th progression or stop when you have no wins on the 6th progression.
just a thought
I made some tests recently on 10k sipns form live casinos. I testes version where you can change safety break. I tested 12 target 6 divisor calculator. I tested about 5 versions of safety breaks and one with no safety break. I tested playing without reset after profit just playing 10k spins, spin after spin. All versions with safety break I tested in the begining actually kept bets low but after some time sooner or later let say few thousand spins they ended with big loss or huge bets per dozens like few thousand chips per bet or even few times higher. It was because in versions with safety breaks after many spins there was a situation that one bad serie didn't end and another started so new safety break was applied and so on, stakes didn't manage to reset before next bad serie came so new targets were added many many times with every safety breaks and stakes went very high. It can seems weird but best results were with no safety break test which mean basic play of buju system. In this test I met also many bad series where stakes went high. There were two high ones with about 2400 chips per bet after about 1500 spins and the biggest about 3000 chips per bet after about 6000 spins but in this test with no safety break system buju earns about 2,7 chips per bet average so even when that bad series came bankroll was big enough to last that bad series without some big loss. Although during that bad series fall was about 3000 - 4000 chips in bankroll total loss of the system was only about 300 chips during the first serie and no loss during the second. What is the conlusion. With bankroll which is big enough we could last out bad serie like this 3000 chips per bet, even if the serie didn't come in the begining we would need for example smaller bankroll because playing without safety breaks earns chips quite fast, faster than any other version with safety break. My thought is that we could try to beat the roulette by force, no safety break, no reset just play to the end until we will win how much we want or we let say double up our bankroll. The only question is what is the biggest bet we can meet. To answer that I think we would need some RX coding. During 10k spins the highest I met was about 3021 per bet. Such a bad serie we could last out with bankroll big enough and table limits we could also beat by betting in the same time dozen, street, line and if needed even numbers. My only thought now is if we could meet higher bad serie. I am afraid that yes but if someone can code in RX maybe could help.
The one more conlusion. When we play without reset stakes can go really really high like I said few thousand chips per bet or even ten times higher but when we play with reset after every win such bad series very often change into not bad series at all. it is very big big difference in stakes when we play with or without reset after profit but reset is good but is not the solution because there are some bad series that doesn't change even if we reset.
Unfortunately I tested calculator on other set of spins and in one bad serie stakes went high to about 11k per bet which is in many casino too high to bet besides I dont know if it is the highest bet we can ever meet but I am not sure if this second set of spins was from live casino. It was from playtech 20k spins from this forum. I think that maybe some stop loss would be a solution. Some time ago I tested 100 chips stop loss without reset in 12/6 calculator but outcomes weren't firm. I want to test some other calculator too. Maybe result will be better. I think that maybe some higher stop loss like 1000 chips would be good but more tests are needed.
I made some tests on 6 target 6 divisor no safety break calculator too. I testes 2x 10k spins. Bets in worst series seems to be lower than in 12/6 calculator. I tested calculator for playing dozen and columns in the same time. It can be weird but worst series on dozens were lower than worst series on columns. Bad series in dozens were for example like 1350 per one dozen with 2600 fall in bankroll, 1700 per one dozen with 5000 fall in bankroll and worst 3000 bet per dozen with 9000 fall in bankroll. Bad series on columns were worse for example 2200 bet per dozen with 4000 fall, 3650 per dozen (-7200 fall), 4600 per dozen (5000 fall) and worst 4900 bet per dozen with 4800 fall. Bankroll nedeed to last out such a bad serie should be even higher than falls of bankroll because I didn't take into consideration bets in last spins which were win, because thay didn't increased fall but we needed chips to bet them so sometimes we would need 10k to 15k bankroll to last out bad series. What is more I tested dome bad series and I saw that some bad series with reset play after every profit changes into not bad series at all I mean bets 4000 per dozen could change into bets 80 chips per dozen when playing with reset but what can be surprising some bad series doesn't change at all even if we reset. For example worst serie on columns changed when playing with reset. I attached some bad series which doesn;t change even with reset and some which change or not (the second are the same as first plus more). You can try them just paste them into 6/6 no safety break calculator.
So test on 6/6 calculator seems to be better than on 12/6. If the bets remain on that level we could last out bad series. I dodn't know why bad series on columns are worst than on dozens. I thought it shouldn't be big difference. Maybe playing only on dozens with this calcualtor is good idea and maybe 20 k spins test is just too short to make any good conclusions.
If you want you can do some tests yourself. Here is 12/6 calculator and all you have to do is to change safety break. You can use your own numbers if you want just paste them in the coulmn.
nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/lscnyk (nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/lscnyk)
Here is 6/6 no safety break calculator with 10k numbers
nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/1ddhhm (nolinks://nolinks.sendspace.com/file/1ddhhm)
These are ods files. I made them as ods because they are much smaller, xls files would be few times bigger. You have to open them in Open Office. If you have any problems with files here in the topic there is a link to the version where these files should work good or you can just inrease your xls files by copying all cells with functions to 10k cells down.
Pablos:A long time ago I tested also my systems in very large samples.The results are sometimes very interested.I like small samples 100 to250 spins.These samples give more information how to play the roulette.You can program a small sample so that it finish allways with a hit.See my Martingale excelmodel with the SSB principle
I was looking for some really bad series that is why I tested on 10k spins but I think that it is even not enough. The best would be some RX coding. I dont know your system but I think that short samples doesn't tell much unless we test many short series. I did it also but outcomes weren't firm. How can I find your martignale excel model. Can you give some link ?
hi all! I tested all versions of this system, many modifications, mix it with other systems. All options are bad. So this is a common system of losing a great distance. Here no betting system is not suitable, stop loss will not help. Buju just lucky so far, but it's not forever. still less will be a big plus. :(