The following system aims for:
Long term winning strategy
BR consideration, no criteria sizewise
None or very little progression
Covering the entire table and still make a profit
Fast recovery opportunities
Minimize the waiting for a certain pattern/trigger enabeling plenty og betting opportunities
The system:
Free spin and wait for the following trigger: 3x BBB or 3x RRR. - This will happen often.
Bet the opposite color +2 units and 1 on last winning color.
example
BBB - bet 2 on R and 1 on B
now for the catch. bet the smallest amount available on 0 ( zero ), but keep in mind the calculation requires this bet to provide equal or more profit than the outcome of the units bet on B/R. So in total you bet will look like this:
colors appeared : 3x BBB
bet 2 on R
bet 1 on B
and 0.1 ( if minimum ) on 0 (zero)
lets continue.
if R wins, then you are up 1 unit - 0.1 bet on 0
if R and B loses, then you are up 0.1 x 36 - bets on B and R ( this happens more than often and is very nice )
if B wins, then you are down 1 unit and have to decide which recovery play to chose. I use one of two options.
1. I continue to bet on B with 1 unit, since we might as well have hit a streak and thus recovered all losses in one spin.
- if you have a gutfeeling the streak is long, you naturally keep betting after having recovered the loss.
2. I bite the dust and accept the loss of 1 unit, recovering it over the next few plays, either by combining option 1 with doubling the next bet after a new trigger.
Option 1 would appeal to many since the extra winnings made here can makeup for a loss or two in a row.
Important notices.
Always restart cycle after a win
Always cover 0 with the smallest bet possible
Never panic and go Martingale on this system
Set a loft for winnings, ie. +50 and one for losses, ie. -5
I have only tried this system for a few weeks now, so I could have been lucky and missed a valid point or two. However, 10.000 + spins and lowest drawdown of 4 units, atleast indicates to me that this could be used as is or modified to "perfection" if needed.
My BR is not impressive, but I have made a total of 1.469 units plus since the beginning of this and no loss, since it was recovered during play.
Let me know what you think.
Kind regards
//Codegenic.
I remember seeing a variation of this on RouletteForum called Absolute Winner. I tried the Dozens version of this. Didn't work out. What if the recovery part doesn't recover (Which was my case.) The number kept hitting the least winning dozen until I couldn't continue the system. Is there a stop loss? How about safeguards?
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 09, 2008, 08:21:25 PM
I remember seeing a variation this on RouletteForum call Absolute Winner. I tried the Dozens version of this. Didn't work out. What if the recovery part doesn't revover (Which was my case.) The number kept hitting the least winning dozen until I couldn't contunue the system. Is there a stop loss? How about safeguards?
The stop loss is the limit you set personally. If you go 3 cycles without winning, then your loss will be a total of 3 no matter how you do the math, being that you accept the 1 loss unit per cycle without recovering using option 1.
Safeguards, again, is up to you, but by not using progression etc you play safe and minimize losses.
Playing dozens is not to be compared with this play. You could have 2 dozens "sleeping", but either color bet will come out, and both are betted on, so I dont think that is fair comparisson. The advantage with this system is hitting streaks faster and covering 0 as well.
Could you provide some sample tests? Elaborate step-by-step if you would please (lots of details)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 09, 2008, 09:29:21 PM
Could you provide some sample tests? Elaborate step-by-step if you would please (lots of details)
Yes that will be appreciated ;)
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 09, 2008, 08:21:25 PM
I remember seeing a variation of this on RouletteForum called Absolute Winner. I tried the Dozens version of this. Didn't work out. What if the recovery part doesn't recover (Which was my case.) The number kept hitting the least winning dozen until I couldn't continue the system. Is there a stop loss? How about safeguards?
I played AW too,it was good for a while I did won around 3000 units with it then boom hit a maximum progression and lose around 1000 units.But its ok,I stop and just collected the balance 2000.
Hi Codegenic,
I'm a little puzzled:-
You bet 2 chips on the opposite, 1 chip on the same as last and .1 chip on zero (following a string of three wins for R or B). Total chips in play = 3.1
Return for opposite win = 4 = +0.9 chips profit
Return for same win = 2 = -1.1 chips loss
Return for zero win = 3.6 = +1.5 chips profit
Just betting 1 chip on opposite and .1 chip on zero Total chips in play = 1.1
Return for opposite win = 2 = +0.9 chips profit
Return for same win = 0 = -1.1 chips loss
Return for zero win = 3.6 = +2.5 chips profit
Good luck and keep winning.
Best regards
Hi Codegenic,
I have a typo above - the return for a zero win is 3.6 profit = +.5
Betting the opposite and zero wins significantly more when zero hits, 2.5 instead of 0.5
If the method is working well for you try betting it this way and you will profit more when zero hits and profit (or lose) exactly the same when it doesn't.
Best regards
Haha, I'm gonna have to start keeping a notebook on all your B/R system variations CG ;)
Keep up the good work!
MD 8)
Thank you all for your responses. I will get back to you here on with an extended play session. I just came home from London. Wont be long, no more than two hours.
//Codegenic
Quote from: see_jerek on October 10, 2008, 05:41:50 AM
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 09, 2008, 09:29:21 PM
Could you provide some sample tests? Elaborate step-by-step if you would please (lots of details)
Yes that will be appreciated ;)
the following series is taken from last nights play:
B B R B R R B B R B B R B B B R R R R R R B R R R R 0 R B B B R R B B B R B R R R R 0
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43
spin 1-12 shows no trigger, so no bets are placed
spin 13 - 15 equals 3 identical colors, and qualifies as trigger.
I therefore placed a bet at 1 unit on the color R and won
spin 16 - R - bet 1
spin 17 - R - bet 1 - W ( I continued betting hoping it was a streak )
spin 18 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 19 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 20 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 21 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 22 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 23 - 25, another trigger
spin 26 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 27 - R - bet 1 - LW ( this time I won 36 x 0.1 units because 0 is always covered with the lowest bet )
spin 28 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 29 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 29- 31, another trigger
spin 32 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 33 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 34 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 34 - 36, another trigger
spin 37 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 38 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 39-41, another trigger
spin 42 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 43 - R - bet 1 - LW ( this time I won 36 x 0.1 units because 0 is always covered with the lowest bet )
I then quit since I got ahead and felt it was time to get back to my hotelroom :)
Let me know if you need more examples.
//Codegenic
Quote from: codegenic on October 10, 2008, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: see_jerek on October 10, 2008, 05:41:50 AM
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 09, 2008, 09:29:21 PM
Could you provide some sample tests? Elaborate step-by-step if you would please (lots of details)
Yes that will be appreciated ;)
the following series is taken from last nights play:
B B R B R R B B R B B R B B B R R R R R R B R R R R 0 R B B B R R B B B R B R R R R 0
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43
spin 1-12 shows no trigger, so no bets are placed
spin 13 - 15 equals 3 identical colors, and qualifies as trigger.
I therefore placed a bet at 1 unit on the color R and won
spin 16 - R - bet 1
spin 17 - R - bet 1 - W ( I continued betting hoping it was a streak )
spin 18 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 19 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 20 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 21 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 22 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 23 - 25, another trigger
spin 26 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 27 - R - bet 1 - LW ( this time I won 36 x 0.1 units because 0 is always covered with the lowest bet )
spin 28 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 29 - B - bet 1 - L ---> Here when you lose for the 1st.time you always stop and wait for another new trigger (3BBB or 3RRR in a row)??
spin 29- 31, another trigger
spin 32 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 33 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 34 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 34 - 36, another trigger
spin 37 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 38 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 39-41, another trigger
spin 42 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 43 - R - bet 1 - LW ( this time I won 36 x 0.1 units because 0 is always covered with the lowest bet )
I then quit since I got ahead and felt it was time to get back to my hotelroom :)
Let me know if you need more examples.
//Codegenic
Hi Codegenic,
Thanks for your new approach on the R/B system.
I like the play on the even chances mate.
I put some questions on the same quote of your last post.
¿What amount of bankroll you recommend?
Also you play for a specific target (like for example :40/50 units per session) and quit or quit when you are ahead for a certain amount??
Cheers,
JLP.-
Quote from: JLP on October 11, 2008, 06:27:16 PM
Quote from: codegenic on October 10, 2008, 03:13:43 PM
Quote from: see_jerek on October 10, 2008, 05:41:50 AM
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 09, 2008, 09:29:21 PM
Could you provide some sample tests? Elaborate step-by-step if you would please (lots of details)
Yes that will be appreciated ;)
the following series is taken from last nights play:
B B R B R R B B R B B R B B B R R R R R R B R R R R 0 R B B B R R B B B R B R R R R 0
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43
spin 1-12 shows no trigger, so no bets are placed
spin 13 - 15 equals 3 identical colors, and qualifies as trigger.
I therefore placed a bet at 1 unit on the color R and won
spin 16 - R - bet 1
spin 17 - R - bet 1 - W ( I continued betting hoping it was a streak )
spin 18 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 19 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 20 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 21 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 22 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 23 - 25, another trigger
spin 26 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 27 - R - bet 1 - LW ( this time I won 36 x 0.1 units because 0 is always covered with the lowest bet )
spin 28 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 29 - B - bet 1 - L ---> Here when you lose for the 1st.time you always stop and wait for another new trigger (3BBB or 3RRR in a row)??
spin 29- 31, another trigger
spin 32 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 33 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 34 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 34 - 36, another trigger
spin 37 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 38 - B - bet 1 - L
spin 39-41, another trigger
spin 42 - R - bet 1 - W
spin 43 - R - bet 1 - LW ( this time I won 36 x 0.1 units because 0 is always covered with the lowest bet )
I then quit since I got ahead and felt it was time to get back to my hotelroom :)
Let me know if you need more examples.
//Codegenic
Hi Codegenic,
Thanks for your new approach on the R/B system.
I like the play on the even chances mate.
I put some questions on the same quote of your last post.
¿What amount of bankroll you recommend?
Also you play for a specific target (like for example :40/50 units per session) and quit or quit when you are ahead for a certain amount??
Cheers,
JLP.-
Depending on the size of your bets, I would recommend as little as 10 units with the ability of betting 0.1 / 1 / 5 / 10
or 30 units if betsizes are 1/5/10/25.
Targetplay isnt the key element here as you are not challenged with great drawdowns. I would however recommend that you time your playsessions not to durate of more than 20 minutes per session. Manage to get out with at profit, then restart the online casino eg, and play another 20 for more profits.. This way, if you play an hour a day, then you will obtain 3 x times profit totaling somewhere between 10-20 units per session, giving you a total of 30-60 a day. Euros that is :)
//Codegenic
I see why you call this a Holy Grail, it has potential. Made a little money from and like you said after about 20 minutes it's time to leave. For me, the losses began to accumulate soonafter.
Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on October 11, 2008, 09:09:24 PM
I see why you call this a Holy Grail, it has potential. Made a little money from and like you said after about 20 minutes it's time to leave. A little after, the losses began to accumulate.
I am very carefull using that term. By no means is this system by definition "the holy grail", but it does show potential as you say.
Regarding the 20 minutes session, yes I must admit, it seems algorythms change at this point.
Its very important playing the 0 as well, could be a life saver.
I did however add another play to this, by altering the style a bit. Focusing on streaks only. Takes longer but also makes up for the bets spent.
By simply changing the play to, waiting for 3 x BBB or RRR, and then actually betting on the same color showing up for 3 times, then you are more than likely to hit a 4-9 streak.
example
BBB hits,
you then bet B, it hits and you continue hitting it till it loses.
Eg. BBB, then B hits again and you keep betting -B B B B then R, where you lose. But you still made a nice profit.
Remember betting the 0 everytime during this.
Should you be unlucky,
BBB then B then R, you didnt lose either way since you invested the 1 unit won from earlier hoping to hit another B
//Codegenic
Quote from: codegenic on October 09, 2008, 07:01:19 PM
My BR is not impressive, but I have made a total of 1.469 units plus since the beginning of this and no loss, since it was recovered during play.
Let me know what you think.
Kind regards
//Codegenic.
When you say out of 10,000 spins tested, your bankroll is 1.469 do you mean you are up +147 units? Or are you only up 1.4 units or less than 2? If you are only up 1.4 units, wouldn't it seem like you are not going anywhere, simply running in place?
Quote from: madupz4 on October 11, 2008, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: codegenic on October 09, 2008, 07:01:19 PM
My BR is not impressive, but I have made a total of 1.469 units plus since the beginning of this and no loss, since it was recovered during play.
Let me know what you think.
Kind regards
//Codegenic.
When you say out of 10,000 spins tested, your bankroll is 1.469 do you mean you are up +147 units? Or are you only up 1.4 units or less than 2? If you are only up 1.4 units, wouldn't it seem like you are not going anywhere, simply running in place?
I meant that I ended at one thousand four hundred and sixty nine, starting with a BR of 30 euros. I varied the bets, starting with low wagers in the beginning and then steadily played 5 euros a bet and then 10 etc.
Quote from: codegenic on October 11, 2008, 09:38:54 PM
Quote from: madupz4 on October 11, 2008, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: codegenic on October 09, 2008, 07:01:19 PM
My BR is not impressive, but I have made a total of 1.469 units plus since the beginning of this and no loss, since it was recovered during play.
Let me know what you think.
Kind regards
//Codegenic.
When you say out of 10,000 spins tested, your bankroll is 1.469 do you mean you are up +147 units? Or are you only up 1.4 units or less than 2? If you are only up 1.4 units, wouldn't it seem like you are not going anywhere, simply running in place?
I meant that I ended at one thousand four hundred and sixty nine, starting with a BR of 30 euros. I varied the bets, starting with low wagers in the beginning and then steadily played 5 euros a bet and then 10 etc.
Ok. Also when you say to bet ".1" on the zero what is ".1" if i'm playing at a $5 min bet per table?
Quote from: madupz4 on October 11, 2008, 09:50:24 PM
Quote from: codegenic on October 11, 2008, 09:38:54 PM
Quote from: madupz4 on October 11, 2008, 09:32:19 PM
Quote from: codegenic on October 09, 2008, 07:01:19 PM
My BR is not impressive, but I have made a total of 1.469 units plus since the beginning of this and no loss, since it was recovered during play.
Let me know what you think.
Kind regards
//Codegenic.
When you say out of 10,000 spins tested, your bankroll is 1.469 do you mean you are up +147 units? Or are you only up 1.4 units or less than 2? If you are only up 1.4 units, wouldn't it seem like you are not going anywhere, simply running in place?
I meant that I ended at one thousand four hundred and sixty nine, starting with a BR of 30 euros. I varied the bets, starting with low wagers in the beginning and then steadily played 5 euros a bet and then 10 etc.
Ok. Also when you say to bet ".1" on the zero what is ".1" if i'm playing at a $5 min bet per table?
Hi madupz4,
He puts an insurance bet on zero (.1 = 0.1) to cover the loss and stay break even or on top from last bankroll high when zero spuns (bets : 2R + 1B + 0.1Z for example).
So for 5 minimum bet would be : 0.5 units on zero I think.
Codegenic thanks for your last answer.
Cheers,
JLP.-
Hi JLP & Codegenic,
2R + 1B wins or loses 1 chip if either R or B is the bet result.
1R wins or loses 1 chip for the same bet result.
2R + 1B + .1 on zero wins .5 if zero is the outcome.
1R + .1 on zero wins 2.5 if zero is the outcome.
The original staking plan wastes 2 chips profit for a zero outcome and gives no advantage for any other outcome.
Best regards
My math may be off, but 0.1 x 36 when a straight bet is placed gives more than 0.5 back.
Anyways, there is a reason to the madness of bettin R2 B1.
//Codegenic
In total it gives back 3.5 units but since you already have R2 B1 you lose those 3, profiting only 0.5 units.
Whereas if you only had 1 unit on red, the profit would be 2.5 units.
hey thanks for your system! are you using this sysytem on rgn or live roulette? can i use this system to other even bets like odd/even or high/low?
thank mate
The system can be applied to both live/rng casinoes.
As for the argument regarding the loss/waste of units betting both colors.
For starters, betting on zero using the smallest amount available, will result in a very acceptable loss og 0.1 euros/usd OR give you a very acceptable winning of 36 x the wager, minus the bets on both colors.
Now lets adress the actual bets prorportions, by defining these.
Naturally a bet consisting og 0.1 euro on zero, 1 euro on B and 2 euros on R will result in the formerly mentioned observations by coolpaddy and shorty. Meaningless to say, betting 1 euro on R will give you the same result. However I never mentioned that 1 unit EQUALS 1 euro or 1 usd. The term unit refers to the amount of unit, not the size of it. So 1 unit could easily be 0,5 euro/usd and 2 units could easily be 2x 0.1 euro/usd. Hope it clarifies the issue. The point in betting on BOTH colors is to enable continuous bets on the color that won, with lowest bet, since it could easily be the beginning of a streak that will recover or increase.
The system can be applied to all even bets and also outside bets like dozens, even though a different approach moneywise / betsizes will be needed. The actual system still requires betting on zero no matter what. Its in your interest.
//Codegenic.
Hi Codegenic,
I have made a suggestion for improvement - of your system/profits.
If there is no room for improvement that's ok. A simple explaination of the advantage of putting 3.1 chips into play would clear up any confusion.
Best regards
Quote from: codegenic on October 12, 2008, 10:18:24 AM
The system can be applied to both live/rng casinoes.
As for the argument regarding the loss/waste of units betting both colors.
For starters, betting on zero using the smallest amount available, will result in a very acceptable loss og 0.1 euros/usd OR give you a very acceptable winning of 36 x the wager, minus the bets on both colors.
Now lets adress the actual bets prorportions, by defining these.
Naturally a bet consisting og 0.1 euro on zero, 1 euro on B and 2 euros on R will result in the formerly mentioned observations by coolpaddy and shorty. Meaningless to say, betting 1 euro on R will give you the same result. However I never mentioned that 1 unit EQUALS 1 euro or 1 usd. The term unit refers to the amount of unit, not the size of it. So 1 unit could easily be 0,5 euro/usd and 2 units could easily be 2x 0.1 euro/usd. Hope it clarifies the issue. The point in betting on BOTH colors is to enable continuous bets on the color that won, with lowest bet, since it could easily be the beginning of a streak that will recover or increase.
The system can be applied to all even bets and also outside bets like dozens, even though a different approach moneywise / betsizes will be needed. The actual system still requires betting on zero no matter what. Its in your interest.
//Codegenic.
Hello Codegenic,
Thanks for the system,I feel it rather safe and any player would be able to bear the loss,are you playing the original version or the modify one.I think it will be the best for you to advise loss limit and when to quit when you are ahead.That will be appreciated.Thanks mate
does anyone have any experience with the system "Triple Bonus Roulette" by Izak Matatya?
he recommends playing on all three dozens (by using differential betting he actually bets on only two) and the zero at the same time.
Quote from: coolpaddy on October 12, 2008, 11:10:59 AM
Hi Codegenic,
I have made a suggestion for improvement - of your system/profits.
If there is no room for improvement that's ok. A simple explaination of the advantage of putting 3.1 chips into play would clear up any confusion.
Best regards
I am always happy when others comment on the use or lack thereoff a system. Especially if they feel they can add to the case and better it. Afterall, its a community in which we share our experiences and ideas.
So keep up the good work and thank you for your time.
//Codegenic
Quote from: see_jerek on October 12, 2008, 11:15:15 AM
Quote from: codegenic on October 12, 2008, 10:18:24 AM
The system can be applied to both live/rng casinoes.
As for the argument regarding the loss/waste of units betting both colors.
For starters, betting on zero using the smallest amount available, will result in a very acceptable loss og 0.1 euros/usd OR give you a very acceptable winning of 36 x the wager, minus the bets on both colors.
Now lets adress the actual bets prorportions, by defining these.
Naturally a bet consisting og 0.1 euro on zero, 1 euro on B and 2 euros on R will result in the formerly mentioned observations by coolpaddy and shorty. Meaningless to say, betting 1 euro on R will give you the same result. However I never mentioned that 1 unit EQUALS 1 euro or 1 usd. The term unit refers to the amount of unit, not the size of it. So 1 unit could easily be 0,5 euro/usd and 2 units could easily be 2x 0.1 euro/usd. Hope it clarifies the issue. The point in betting on BOTH colors is to enable continuous bets on the color that won, with lowest bet, since it could easily be the beginning of a streak that will recover or increase.
The system can be applied to all even bets and also outside bets like dozens, even though a different approach moneywise / betsizes will be needed. The actual system still requires betting on zero no matter what. Its in your interest.
//Codegenic.
Hello Codegenic,
Thanks for the system,I feel it rather safe and any player would be able to bear the loss,are you playing the original version or the modify one.I think it will be the best for you to advise loss limit and when to quit when you are ahead.That will be appreciated.Thanks mate
Thanks for your comment.
My advice on loss limit would be a max decline in your beginning BR of 5 percent and max decline in your profit of 10 percent within the range of a 20 minute play session. Either which comes first :).
If you are closer to your goal by 5 or less profits, then you may quit the session.
//Codegenic
Hi Codegenic,
You are right - this is a discussion forum. I've made a very positive suggestion on this thread and also asked a very simple question for the benefit of anyone playing or considering playing the system.
Your staking plan sacrifices 2 chips profit on a zero hit - I can't see the logic for this. Maybe you can explain or demonstrate the advantge of betting 3.1 chips as opposed to 1.1 chips.
Best regards
The idea of betting 3.1 units serves two purposes:
1. It enables you to cover all bets with different unitsizes as mentioned earlier.
2. It holds a psychological advantage for those who considers a lower win, better than a loss. I agree with you that its a step in betting that can be surpassed just by betting as you proposed, but some players are affected by the loss and sees it as a complete fiasco, as where winning 1 unit, even though the math is the same and the winnings are lower, still is considered a winning, not a loss, thus making them feel more safe.
Do you my point now? Is the glas half empty or full? I only try to accommodate players who handles smaller wins better than losses, even though the outcome of that actual play is the same.
//Codegenic