Randomness Effectiveness Versus Visual Ballistics Effectiveness

[gizmotron]

Anyone that knows my writing knows that I seldom comment on VB skills.

I was just wondering something. With randomness it is impossible to remain in the dominate state of positive effectiveness. It must pass through times that are effective, ineffective or chaotic. So what happens with VB players.

Are VB players always effective. If they too pass through times of ineffectiveness is there a reason for that happening. Like wheel type, dealer changes, ball size, slow moving wheel, fast moving wheel, etc... for instance. Do VB players experience chaotic results  for effectiveness. Having the playing skills a very good musician is a state of mind. It comes from experience.

I'm just wanting to compare the states of effectiveness. I wonder how VB experts see effectiveness as compared to randomness experts. Perhaps we can learn from each other.

[Spike!]

I do know that VB goes in streaks.  You might win 6 out of 10 spins and lose 12 in a row.  Its a too hit and miss for me, also way to much work for the return you get.

[bombus]

Have you ever retrospectively analyzed the behavior of the wheel after some of your elegant patterns or dominant trends? Perhaps there is often an identifiable correlation between the two?

[gizmotron]

Have you ever retrospectively analyzed the behavior of the wheel after some of your elegant patterns or dominant trends? Perhaps there is often an identifiable correlation between the two?

No I have not. My four elegant patterns in my lifetime were all from differing group types and sized groups. As far as common dominances they are from R/B, and the other EC's, the columns/sections, and specific pie shaped cuts of the wheel disk. There was never a single group of the pie shaped sections that had any consistent thing to it because of location on the wheel. In other words I can read the randomness of the wheel that is being analyzed for visual ballistics. I would never see the connection if there were one. I have no skills in that area.

[I have cookies]

In other words I can read the randomness of the wheel that is being analyzed for visual ballistics.

That is in dead intressting comment or should i say statment - can you explain - where the playing modell you use define correlation of elements that will give you and positive expectation !!
It would be very cool to see how you would define an high probability area or areas and how you come to the conclusion that they are just that - high probability areas - where you would aim to place your bets and gain some units - having an edge ...

Cheers ...

[gizmotron]

That is in dead intressting comment or should I say statment - can you explain - where the playing modell you use define correlation of elements that will give you and positive expectation !!
It would be very cool to see how you would define an high probability area or areas and how you come to the conclusion that they are just that - high probability areas - where you would aim to place your bets and gain some units - having an edge ... Cheers ...

I can only assume that it's possible to condense visual ballistics down to a skill of reading physics. Reading randomness is about taking the current traits of each characteristic into account. The simplest form being dominance.

Most people are aware when a streak of blacks lasts more than 10 spins. Sometimes they see when black and red alternate like a shoelace pattern in a pair of shoes, back and forth. That kind of trend can continue for a while too. The key to advantage is guessing correctly that things continue during a stretch that just coincidently continues in their favor. The trick to trends is not in recognition of the trend but recognition of the effective state that it tends to continue. The following of a trend is only the bet premise, the bet selection process. The advantage comes from knowledge about effectiveness. That comes from experience, strategy, and a little MM.

What I lack is the insight that can be gained from the same kind of experience from the VB players. I get the bet selection process. It's an acquired skill. But the effectiveness and dealing with it might be interesting too.

[winkel]

The problem with VB is to find the suitable conditions.
If you will find them you must also have the knowledje to observe if wile playing these conditions will change.

so VB-Paying just behaves like playing a "trend". So VB has no advantage. thank you for the proof, that VB is nonsense like anything else.

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winkel

[Nathan Detroit]

Yup, If the  ball  hits  it`s  great , otherwise blame  the  misfortune on all the 3  factors listed by Jordan. 

[gizmotron]

so VB-Paying just behaves like playing a "trend". So VB has no advantage. thank you for the proof, that VB is nonsense like anything else.

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winkel

Using trends for bet selection is not nonsense. It just makes no sense to those that have never experienced its worthiness. Math oriented gamblers are on the very bottom of the experience list when it comes to practical sense. Proof of that is in there dogmatic rejection of trends as a source for a betting premise. They are stuck in a search for anything that will mathematically change the odds. They even think that the trends players are trying to claim that. Nothing can be further from the truth. But that's just too bad. The math types go on accusing the trend players anyway.  It's all part and parcel of having to tolerate the least experienced players and their limited understanding. Be nice to those math oriented players. They need it.

[gizmotron]

hehe...

math trends and phisics trends have nothing in common...

what you all see in maths trends are just random spins that made by luck a random trend..

VB trends are not random...are based on phisics facts.

only if you know how VB works you can have an opinion.

I wrote a computer program that uses the factors that make up a spin result from release to final landing spot. The sole purpose was to create a real world truly random numbers generator that succeeded in being truly random. There are many things that can happen that end up effecting the results of the physics involved. It's just my opinion but the human brain can't factor all that in and expect to get it all right.

[winkel]

hehe...

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what you all see in maths trends are just random spins that made by luck a random trend..

VB trends are not random...are based on phisics facts.

only if you know how VB works you can have an opinion.

so what is the difference between an detected/expected trend which doesn´t hit and a VB-expected area, that doesn´t hit because the ball jumps further than expected?

Both bets are just unlucky. And vice-versa if both hit.

The reason is because he doesn t play anymore with 37 numbers in every spin but in the most of the spins (when ball hit dd) the VB player is playing with less than 37 numbers...in some occasions may be 20 or even 12 If the conditions are very good...(jump of the ball + how many times theball will hit the desired point)

desired point If you need desire, there is no phyics in it, is it?

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winkel

[Herb6]

So does this mean that AP players aren't winning these days playing wheel bias or visual ballistics?

[Spike!]

So does this mean that AP players aren't winning these days>>>

Not like they were 10 years ago, or even 5 years ago. VB is something the casinos have aggressively attacked with counter measures, such as newly designed wheels. Now VB players spend the vast majority of their time looking for wheels to exploit, and coming up with nothing more often than not. Thats why some of them are so desperate for other ways to win at roulette, they thought bias and VB play would last forever.

[I have cookies]

I did not expect any more then poor comments from some of the members who reply - my humbel opinion ...
Sure conditions is not like the 80s - but saying that the casino would notice an true AP milking and lose money back so it does not get so obvios - is just rediculus and just show what kind of knowledge some of you have ...

I have never heard or know any roulette system player like Spike an others lose money back to the casino - why would they - casinos does not care about action players who belive they have an 72% with even money bets - it is also rediculus ...

When does an AP know he master the skills - when he starts to give some of the profits back to the casino - I would not claim the same apply for bias as it is an hole different ball game ...

Cheers

[sherminator]

"Thats why some of them are so desperate for other ways to win at roulette, they thought bias and VB play would last forever."

Well said spike!  

The game is just warming up for the trend players.

[sherminator]

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