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I am about 3,800 numbers into the Zuma tester of 15,000 double-zero numbers. I have hit the wall five times and am still up around 10,000. I am doing this very carefully and if I feel I made a mistake I do the trot over.
Unless I hit a devil of a bad patch, this thing looks pretty darn good!
Sam
Questions? Comments? Welcome!! Vitriolic criticisms? Bring 'em on. Let me show this forum how to ignore.
TwoCat
The "IgnoreMeister"........
Hi Sam,
I have now noticed that you have done the whole thing wrong. You will have to start over again.
;D Just kidding! Great job mate! BTW. I liked your video. It made things really simple. Also nice to be able to put a voice to the man.....now you don't have to be talking Afrikaans (or in a Afrikaans accent) to me in my mind anymore! :lol:
Cheers mate!
Jakk
Sam,
By any chance, do you happen to have a record of the number of hits so far? I'm writing a post in the reference area on how to calculate the "z-score" and want to go through a couple of examples. Rather than make up something it would be better to take a system which is actually being tested in the forum.
I need 3 things: number of placed bets, number of wins (hits), and the probability of a win. You're betting two numbers right?
Thanks Sam.
Ken, can you give a name of "my method"?
GogoCro
I thought of either "The Tandem" or "The Couplet" system. Anyone...........
Jakk
Nearly gave me a heart attack......... I'm so used to doing things wrong, I thought I had!
Tangram
What I have is the number of trots, number of wins, number of losses and the spin on which it won. Would you like me to scan and post my first sheet? You can see what I'm talking about.
Mr J
You're most welcome!
Sam
Sam, IMO like both names, its up to Ken I think. System deserve a name.
Will you finish all nums in tester?
Do you have any other nums to test on to mix up a little,
btw great job!
Gogo
The N.O.W.Y.L.Y.S.B.Y.T.A.W System?
Hey, just a suggestion :thumbsup:
The Disambiguation Principle or Let's Stick Together.
Twos' Company?
GogoCro
I aim to finish all 15,00----over time!
I do not have access to 00 numbers except in this tester. I am American and would love to find a way to play at my flippy-card almost-roulette wheel here in Oklahoma.
Some day I will test it on 0 and non zero tables. I will test it until one of two things happen: It fails or I start betting real money!
Sam
Aw, geez, TSK..........that's it!!
How about it Ken? Two's Company? Man, it won't get any better than that!
Tangram!
What if I just counted the number times the thing won the progression vs the times it lost? It's over a hundred wins and about five losses. Would that do?
Sam
Aww, don't you like the "Not Only Will You Lose Your Shirt But Your Trousers As Well" system? :-\
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"Two's Company" it is. Sure, why not.
Thanks.........
Am about to finish spin 4,000......
Update later.........
Sam (I love dots..............)
OK, here's the deal.........
I have done 4,000 spins minus the few at the end of each thousand that I could not do. I start anew at each thousand in the book. I am using Mr J's progression and $5.00 assumed bet. I have lost five progressions and won far more than 100 for a profit of $11,845 American.
So draw from it what you will. I'll continue to test.
Sam
Take it or leave it, I have run my own test.........500,000 spins.........single zero configuration.
Lots of room for winning, but lots and lots of room for losing too, so may good luck (the force) be with you.
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Sam wrote:
What if I just counted the number times the thing won the progression vs the times it lost? It's over a hundred wins and about five losses. Would that do?
Not really Sam, but thanks anyway. BTW, what do you mean by a "trot"?
There's my buddy! That sucks guys, take care. Ken
A trot is how ever long you play. Or how many spins it takes to hit the wall or win your progression. Sometimes it's 1 and sometimes it's 45. Then it becomes 56...... :(
Sam
From the graph it looks as though losing 10 progressions on the bounce is quite common.
bombus,
Can you test just the bet selection w/o the progression. I mean the win/loss ratio flat betting, that would be more interesting.
Regards,
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At 4,641 spins, profit is $11,680.
This is super boring! :-\
Sam
Well, I made it to 5,000. Am up $14,800 based on a $5 bet as Ken outlined. I have lost 7 progressions.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 05, 2009, 02:55:22 PM
Well, I made it to 5,000. Am up $14,800 based on a $5 bet as Ken outlined. I have lost 7 progressions.
I am now at 5,393 spins and the profit is $17,730 based on Mr J's progressions. I have lost 7 progressions.
My goal is to finish the 15,000 by April 1st.
Sam
Hi Sam
Nice going mate
The Spiders Kiss
Thanks!!
Thanks for your time Sam. Ken
Ken
My pleasure. If this thing makes it through the Zuma Tester, it will be the only system I know of that has!
Sam
Even if it does Sam, you know we will hear the same arguements from "the other folks". Myself, I have played this method LIVE 31 times. 12 of the 31 have been skipping a spin 10 times, as in my last rule change. My results are very nice and are getting noticed too much. I usually sit next to the wheel and a couple times, floor actually came over and looked under the wheel cause my leg is always way under there, I really stretch out when I sit. Its a bit funny. Ken
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 31, 2009, 11:23:11 PM
Ken
My pleasure. If this thing makes it through the Zuma Tester, it will be the only system I know of that has!
Sam
I hope it makes it through the Zuma, Sam.
If it does, it will be the second system I'm aware of to do so... both using up as you lose progessions BTW.
Bombus
I don't suppose you'd care to share who's on first?
Sam
I would never ask that. Then it looks like I care. Ken
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 01, 2010, 11:55:02 AM
Bombus
I don't suppose you'd care to share who's on first?
Sam
Yes, that's right............lol.
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Mr J's right, who cares if 100 systems beat the zumma tester. Knowing might help with future system development, but it wouldn't have any bearing on your current system test at all.
I'd like to see a flat betting method beat it though...even so, the zumma tester being a bit old and all, 15000 spins is not a lot in this day and age of computer testing.
I care because of this fact........
Any system which was not reverse engineered to fit the Zuma is a winning system until proven otherwise. (My opinion only!)
Right now I am not so concerned as to IF the "Two's Company" system works; I believe it does. I am more concerned as to why, and if any two numbers selected at random at the beginning of the trot would work just as well.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 01, 2010, 08:34:00 PM
I care because of this fact........
Any system which was not reverse engineered to fit the Zuma is a winning system until proven otherwise. (My opinion only!)
Right now I am not so concerned as to IF the "Two's Company" system works; I believe it does. I am more concerned as to why, and if any two numbers selected at random at the beginning of the trot would work just as well.
Sam
It's a very interesting point you make, Sam.
Everyone will tell you it's all about the selection process, and the progression is just a tool to help ride out the bad times.
I suspect the two are more closely related than that.
For the record, the other system I know of that beat the zuma has a similar bet selection premise... that being it jumps about the place... I call it shunting, and I like to think of 37/38 train tracks to run on, and the system shunts the train from one track to another.
Just picking two random numbers will work almost as well, but I think Two's Company's use of the current wheel history would push it slightly ahead of the random numbers... and any push along is good in this game.
Thoughtfully shunting your selection + long progression makes it very hard for the wheel to beat you. Problem is, when it does beat you it's expensive...a right bloody train smash!
Cheers.
Any 2 numbers? I as well have played MANY 2 number methods with the SAME progression etc. This method gets much better results and in the long term BUT it shouldn't. This has been my POINT for well over 7 years. Not all methods (bet selection) and not all progressions are the same. Why? I have no idea, I ONLY know this through trial and error, nothing more. Ken
Ken
I will be quite happy to make money using this system and never know how or why it works. Actually it is heartening to know that something does not have to follow the laws of logic to work.
Sam
Yep, good point sir. Ken
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 01, 2010, 08:34:00 PM
Right now I am not so concerned as to IF the "Two's Company" system works; I believe it does. I am more concerned as to why, and if any two numbers selected at random at the beginning of the trot would work just as well.
Sam
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 02, 2010, 01:21:08 AM
Ken
I will be quite happy to make money using this system and never know how or why it works. Actually it is heartening to know that something does not have to follow the laws of logic to work.
Sam
???
Now I'm confused...
That was the plan. :laugh:
Don't know how or why--not accusing anyone--but my answer to bombus disappeared.
bombus
I would like to know how the system works, but if I never do that's fine.
I have been on lucky streaks so many times and mistook them for a grail. I'd like to know why a system works so I could know I'm not just on a lucky streak. However, if I never learn why something works, but it does, that's good enough for me.
Sam
Ok Sam.
Fair enough, mate.
Good luck with your testing.
Does the test on 500,000 spins use logarithms?