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Can you tell the difference between RNG and Actuals? - a challenge

Started by Tangram, June 13, 2009, 05:55:41 AM

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Mr Chips

Tangram,
 
I will put the degree of certainty by my choice and will examine the results at the end of the test. In set 1 it would have been 90%.
 
Set 2 = actuals 70%
 
Mr Chips

Shorty


Tangram

Set #1 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%  :(
Set #2 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 70%  :)

where DOC = "degree of certainty"

Set #3

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Shorty


winkel

This is guesswork.

Where are the hints that show you to be RNG or actual?
How do you identify them?

br
winkel

Mr Chips

Winkel,
 
As far as I am concerned it's not guesswork, I do apply a certain methodology and consider certain other factors as well. I would not say it's
perfect, but then I don't have a system that wins on every occasion either.
 
The test has just started and what I would find helpful is examining a group of PRNG numbers which Tangram will produce at some point.
 
Mr Chips

Mr Chips

Tangram,
 
Set 3 is tricky, as at the moment I can't progress past 50:50. 0 is the sleeper in this group, did you forget to program it  ;) ;D I don't
rely on such considerations, but having arrived at a 50:50 from my usual method I then look for further clues.
 
If it's ok with you I will delay a decision on set 3 and move on to set 4.
 
Mr Chips

Tangram

No problem Mr Chips, make your decision when you're ready.

Quotedid you forget to program it

Ah, now that would be a clue wouldn't it.  :nono: ;D

Set #1 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%   :(
Set #2 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 70%  :)
Set #3 - decision deferred

Set #4

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Mr Chips


Tangram

Set #1 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%    :(
Set #2 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 70%   :)
Set #3 - decision deferred
Set #4 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 60%  :(


Set #5

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Mr Chips

Tangram,

On this occasion I don't mind being wrong. My methodology told me PRNG hence the 60% DOC and the other clues came on the side
of actuals. So I'm pleased my methodology proved correct. The other clues certainly mirrored actuals in many respects.

I should really have asked you for a couple of examples of your PRNG before the test, but at least I have got an example now.

This will be a very interesting test for me, as I have done a bit of research some time ago and some PRNG appear easier to identify
than others and if your PRNG proves a tough nut to crack, it will greatly enhance my research.
 
Cheers
 
Mr Chips


Tangram

Sorry Mr Chips  :'( 

set #5 was actuals. Maybe you'll put on a spurt in the final furlong.  :clapping:

QuoteI should really have asked you for a couple of examples of your PRNG before the test, but at least I have got an example now.

We can always carry on, no need to stop at 10 sets. It's a good RNG though.  >:D

Set #1 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%  :(  
Set #2 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 70%   :)
Set #3 - decision deferred
Set #4 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 60%  :(
Set #5 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%  :(

Set #6

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Mr Chips

Tangram,
 
Same result as set 1 with  DOC of 90%, I certainly wouldn't place bets on that Table :o
 
When I get to set 10 I will see if I can make any sense of the results.
 
Mr Chips

Tangram

Bravo!  :)

Set #1 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%   :( 
Set #2 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 70%    :)
Set #3 - decision deferred
Set #4 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 60%   :(
Set #5 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%   :(
Set #6 (PRNG) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%   :)

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Tangram

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