Can you tell the difference between RNG and Actuals? - a challenge

[Mr Chips]

Tangram,
 
I have been looking back on the previous posts and did not pick up on the following:
 

I was planning to use 3 sets of PRNG spins. Whether this makes things harder or not I have no idea, my intuition tells me
it shouldn't

I was wondering why 3 different sets and what are the differences. I did mention in a previous post that some PRNG are easier
to identify than others. I am happy to carry on as things are, but I would be grateful if you could explain about the different sets.
 
Back to the test, again 90% DOC and it's actuals.
 
Mr Chips

[Tangram]

Mr Chips,

I should make clear that I'm only using one PRNG. When I said "3 sets of PRNG spins", I was referring to our initial decision to specify how many sets would be PRNG, then I realised that this wouldn't be good idea. Sorry if this was confusing, I should have deleted the part at the beginning of that post. 

Set #7 was PRNG I'm afraid. 

Set #1 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%   
Set #2 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 70%   
Set #3 - decision deferred
Set #4 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 60%   
Set #5 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%   
Set #6 (PRNG) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%   
Set #7 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 90% 

Set #8

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[Mr Chips]

Set 8 = actuals, Doc 80
 
Mr Chips

[Tangram]

Set #1 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%     
Set #2 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 70%   
Set #3 - decision deferred
Set #4 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 60%     
Set #5 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%     
Set #6 (PRNG) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%   
Set #7 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 90%   
Set #8 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 80%   

Set #9

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[Mr Chips]

set 9 = actuals DOC 95%

[Herb]

Determining whether these streams are from actual wheels or RNGs is really tough.  Especially since they are so short. 

Looking at this stream, my guess is that it's from a real wheel.

[haribekur]

They are RNG, i guess..

[Tangram]

Set #1 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%     
Set #2 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 70%     
Set #3 - decision deferred
Set #4 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 60%     
Set #5 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%     
Set #6 (PRNG) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%     
Set #7 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 90%   
Set #8 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 80%   
Set #9 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 95%   

Mr Chips, would you like me to post a new set for #3, or are you happy using the same one?

@ Herb,

Do you think it's possible to tell RNG from Actuals? how many spins would you need to be "pretty sure"?

Set #10

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[Mr Chips]

Hi Tangram,
 
I will stick with set 3 and post after set 10.
 
Herb is correct about the streams being short, but it would take a fair bit of time and work to fully analyse a long set of spins.
 
I admit this challenge was more difficult than I had originally imagined. What I hadn't bargained for was the degree of difficulty
with the actuals. If you had said set 9 was PRNG I would have been very surprised, as the 95% DOC reflected that every
indication pointed to actuals. At first I look for a certain strong indication, which was present in set 9, but absent in the other
actual sets. It then follows to examine the secondary indications and I suppose realistically, it requires a number of sets to
differentiate between the different sets of actuals and PRNG.
 
Despite the degree of difficulty, I am pleased to have participated in this challenge and it has given me some ideas to improve
on my existing method.
 
If possible some time I would grateful if you could let me have say 1000 PRNG spins to work on.
 
I will let you have set 10 and 3 tomorrow.
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

Set 10 = actuals doc 90%
 
Set 3 = PRNG doc 70%
 
Mr Chips

[Herb]

This set 10 is most likely RNG, or a rather random wheel.   Usually real wheels don't look quite this random.

My vote for set 10 is RNG

[Herb]

Any chance you can give us about ten sets at a time?

By the way, set 3 looks more like a real wheel to me.

My vote for set 3 is real wheel

[Tangram]

Ok, that brings this test to an end. Final result:

Set #1 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%      
Set #2 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 70%      
Set #3 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 70%      
Set #4 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 60%      
Set #5 (Actuals) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%      
Set #6 (PRNG) identified as PRNG with DOC 90%      
Set #7 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 90%    
Set #8 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 80%    
Set #9 (Actuals) identified as Actuals with DOC 95%    
Set #10 (PRNG) identified as Actuals with DOC 90%  

Mr Chips,
I'll upload 1000 PRNG spins for you a little later.  

@ Herb,
I'm impressed, that's 3 out of 3 correct so far  

Any chance you can give us about ten sets at a time?

Sure, likewise I'll upload them later today - do you mean the same number of spins in each set (but 10 of them), or 10 x the number of spins in each set?

[Herb]

Give us some more. Let's keep the spin sample sizes the same.  I'm curious as to whether I can keep above 60%.

[Tangram]

Mr Chips,

I've attached a file with 1000 PRNG spins. I'll post another 10 sets (a mixture of PRNG and Actuals) a little later for Herb. 

[Tangram]

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