E.C testing

[MATTJONO]

I have created a flatbetting even chance system with bets placed on average every 7 spins.



session 1 test. ( 230 spins ) bets placed 37 times.


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W=27
L=10

+17UNITS


matt

[roul.ette]

Hi, Mattjono, looks interesting!!

How do you bet ?

Friendly roul

[The Spiders Kiss]

Hi Matt
Nice results mate.
Are you gona impart more information?
I would be interested to see how your betting
TSK

[Colin]

HI Matt I 4 1 would love to see the full system by G** the results are great .MATT please please post  TKS Colin

[northa]

Gave this method a go yesterday

2 sessions using all six EC

+6units(60 euro) 78spins
+8units(80 euro) 83 spins
In play money
Did not go lower than starting and max draw down
was about 3 units.
Will continue to test.

[MATTJONO]

Gave this method a go yesterday

2 sessions using all six EC

+6units(60 euro) 78spins
+8units(80 euro) 83 spins
In play money
Did not go lower than starting and max draw down
was about 3 units.
Will continue to test.

nice one Northa.

[Number Six]

Hi Jono,
I've been messing around with your strategy, and started testing a variant that is a little more aggressive. To be honest I was a bit sceptical in the beginning as ECs are notoriously difficult to win consistently with - and I'm still not 100% convinced - but perhaps your idea is worth pursuing. Don't want to be a downer but my experience of ECs is entirely forgettable. Anyway, I'm working on something else at the moment but I'm also interested in adding a new approach to my game. So for now I'm looking at the ECs. I've tested your strategy variant against 100 spins from Spielbank - that amounts to approx. 70 bets, so you can see that it's pretty much playing nearly every spin. A breakdown:

Session 1      
Spins      51      
Bets      34      
Won      20      
Lost      14   
Hit rate   59%      
Bal.      +6   

Session 2   
Spins      50
Bets      33
Won      23
Lost      10
Hit Rate   70%
Bal.      +13
   
Session 2 was a delight. I've also used a 6-point divisor and you can add around 3 or 4 units to the +21 total. A pluscoup would also work as long as the hits are regular. For the next session I might consider a positive progression of some kind to escalate the balance - I think this would work very well. Tomorrow I'll let you know how I'm testing. It's very similar to the method you outlined in the full systems board, just has a few changes here and there. I've also got an excel spreadsheet if you want to have a look. With methods like these there are many different variants and it's all about finding the most effective one, which can sometimes be time-consuming. Perhaps you should get this coded if you can.



Session 3
Spins      50
Bets      38
Won      22
Lost      16
Hit Rate   58%
Bal.         +6

[MATTJONO]

Hi six.

Very glad to still be seeing each session in the profit side.

I hope from this we can change your view on E.C betting. And cannot wait to hear your adjustments to the smart way. Ill be tying to keep up with you NumberSix and ill work with you to try and find the most effective way of playing this type of play.


JONO

[MATTJONO]

I have done a test and would like to share the results.


betting all even chances after 2 hits depending whever or not we would of won the last bet (trying to avoid the zig-zag motion) which is where we find most of the losses.

so playing all EE?,OO?,RR?,BB?,HH?,LL? AFTER A VERTUAL WIN.

ODD   EVEN
W   W
W   L
W   L
W   L
W   L
L   W
L   L
W   L
L   W
W   W
L   L
W   -2
W   
W   
W   
7   


+5units from odd/even

RED   BLACK
W   W
W   L
W   W
W   L
L   L
L   W
W   L
W   L
W   L
W   L
W   -7
L   
W   
W   
L   
W   
L   
W   
L   
13   

+6units from red/black

HIGH   LOW
W   L
L   W
W   L
W   L
L   W
W   
W   -1
W   
W   
W   
W   
W   
W   
W   
W   
11   


+10 from high/low



SUMMARY OF 220 SPINS// 75 BETS PLACED....29LOSING BETS AND 46 WINNING BETS.

AND 0 APEARED 6 TIMES.

it seems that we get a winner and a loser for each of the even chances betting the same way with the same rules on high bets +11 and on low bets -1.



JONO

[See_Jerek]

Playing this on a live wheel is very consuming is it practical?

@Matt

what happen to your street system?

[Number Six]

Jerek, how's it going mate?
It's not impractical I don't think. Placing one bet every 3 spins. But yes, time-consuming, unless you're using very high value chips. It's too much of a grind for me, so I've made a variant that's more aggressive, betting around every 2 spins. I'm also introducing Marven's up as you win staking plan, as I think a positive prog would suit this. Got 500 Spielbank spins to test against, so I'll post the spreadsheet when done.

6

[MATTJONO]

Playing this on a live wheel is very consuming is it practical?

@Matt

what happen to your street system?

hi jerek I agree with you it is very consuming but most of my tests seem to pan out at +1unit for every 10spins on average depending on what triggers you use. making +20units in 200spins seems not practicle...BUT think about it we go to casino with $200 bankroll playing with $10 on the even chances flatbetting, I Believe you could double $200 to $400 in a max of 200spins with very little risk of losing your bankroll. (BUT YES the only problem I have with this is the time consuming part)

im sure Numbersix will give us even more hope for this play.
JONO

[Natural9]

MattJ what best triggers to use

[Number Six]

Triggers for the aggressive smart way:

Playing all 6 ECs.

Track until you have two ECs hitting back to back...eg RR OO...etc.
The third decision makes the pattern to be attacked...eg RR(R) or BB(B) or HH(H) or OO(E)...whatever it might be.
If an attack wins, that pattern stays dominant for the next attack. If it loses, that pattern deactivates and changes.

EG....patterns active are BB(B), RR(B), HH(L), LL(H), OO(E), EE(E)

[table=,]
Out,Comb,Bet,Res,Notes
5,RLO
34,RHE
33,BHO,RR – Bet B,W,RR(B) stays active. Track from this spin
6,BLE,HH – Bet L,W,HH(L) stays active. Track from this spin
21,RHO,BB – Bet B,L,BB(R) is new pattern. Track from this spin
28,BHE
26,BHE,HH - Bet L,L,HH(H) is new pattern. Track from this spin        
12,RLE,BB - Bet R,W,BB(R) stays active. Track from this spin
,,EE - Bet E,W,EE(E) stays active. Track from this spin
[/table]

mjono, this is your method, yes? Only there's no waiting for the sequence to break after a win or lose?
To me it makes more sense to attack aggressively and not wait for the breaks as the logic, if there is any, is to jump on the dominant series. The ECs do tend to clump together and chop in singles rarely, so waiting for breaks means you're missing a lot of opportunities and not exploiting the dominant series to full effect. I'm still in two minds about this, although I've now tested 250 spins and around 200 bets and I'm about +40 flat betting.

I'm trying to test this way wholesale at the moment against 500 Spielbank numbers, but it's taking some time. I've only done 100 so far. Here is the summary:

100 Spins
81 Bets
44 Won
37 Lost
54% Hit Rate

It's +11 flat betting but...I also applied Marven's five leveller and got +32! That's a nice return. It was -10/11 at one point, but a good run towards the end (13 wins in 15) netted 42 units to give the 32 profit. I think that was lucky, which is why I'm still not convinced. It's a nice simple method and I think someone should code it for RX.

I've attached my spreadsheet (there may be compatibility issues) - the outcomes are on sheet 1 - with the first 100 numbers done. Gold bets are the wins, pinkish the losses. wx1, wx2 etc is the number of wins in the last 5 for Marven's leveller. Someone can carry on testing...or shall I do it  

6

Took down spreadsheet, there is a new one later on.

[Number Six]

I tested the next 100 numbers and got +2 flat betting and +6 from the positive progression (was at +30ish during a good run....in a real situation I would have walked, obviously). I don't have time to continue testing, so everything combined I've got these results flat betting:

[table=,]
Spins,Bets,Won,Lost,Hit Rate,Bal
350,276,155,121,56.2%,+34
[/table]

Positive progression:
[table=,]
Spins,Bets,Won,Lost,Hit Rate,Bal
200,171,90,81,52.6%,+46
[/table]

It's a nice little method and the positive staking plan works very well with it. Regardless of how you play it, I'd recommend a fairly high but achievable profit target, such as 15 units and a loss of -10 (flat betting). Or play in sessions of max. 50-100 spins. The progression is actually very good, because it's not uncommon to encounter excellent runs winning around 12 or 13 in 15 bets or 8 in 10 - get that and you'll easily recoup any deficit and come up at something like +30-40 units (you won't, however, get these results if you virtual bet or wait for sequences to break because you'll be missing the dominant series). It's down to preference I guess. I'm not a full grinder.

My strategy for this would be to bet aggressively with the up as you win plan and just ride the flow until the appearance of a lasting dominant series. When that series breaks, I'd quit the session and expect to have in the region of at least 20+ units (depending on previous outcomes). If the series doesn't come, I'd quit after a couple of hours and start attacking the pleins  

EDIT:
Made a few mistakes with the results. The progression balance is actually +46, not +38. From the second test of the Spielbank numbers, the profit was +14. I've attached new spreadsheet. In both sets of 100 numbers you can easily see where the good runs occur and the profits escalate hugely They don't last long, however, so if anyone wants to play this aggressive way, timing the exit point with maximum profits is important. Mjono, I feel I'm taking over your method...I'll finish testing the 500 numbers and that will be that.

Six

-Took spread down. Doing another test 

[Number Six]

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