TwoCat tests the bot on casino account #1

[TwoCatSam]

Matt

I agonized over even posting my loss, but I said I would and I am--if nothing else--a man of my word.  I knew there would be repercussions.  Those of us on your forum appreciate your efforts.  We don't think--we know you will succeed!  You said a lot more about how the bot works than I ever would have.  One thing: the bot has given me new respect for Winkel and his binomial distribution.  And the law of the third he spoke of so often.

Matt, I have learned from Marcia that not only I, but she was re-starting the bot that fateful night.  No telling how many times it was re-started. 

Now I am working with the new system recently programmed into the bot.  While it may throw a clunker from time to time (stock market) the upticks will far out pace the downturns. 

God, I am growing sick of this forum!

Sam

[Number Six]

I'm glad you're "almost sorry" for my loss.  I almost believe you!

I'm almost sorry because you conducted a test with real money for the forum's benefit. Remember that the only bots around at the moment implement flawed progression systems. You talk about bot users...yes, I believe there are many, as there are many people here who are desperate for a solution. They want it given to them. Few of them are willing to work hard for it. Many think bots are the answer. But they, and their users, are a joke. None of them will win over the long haul, and that makes them a waste of time. They're pretty much a 100% scam. The sellers know they don't work. It's like selling boxes made out of porcelain to unsuspecting cricketers. hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_(cricket)

I'm sorry you feel the way you do. I only want to help people avoid the losses you have suffered. I tell the truth. People don't listen. Bots have got junk under the hood. There isn't a single bot user out there winning consistently.

Number6 I find your comments offensive and full of ignorance.

Of course you do, it's your bot and you have a financially-driven interest to defend it. Truth is, it's losing people money. You're a system seller. Nothing more, nothing less. I do think automation may have potential for the future, and maybe one day you'll produce something great. But perhaps you should increase your knowledge of the game first and accept that certain things regarding it are impossible. Hey, I chime in with the facts and truth from time to time. You can't take it. It's not my problem. I do it for the benefit of the people to whom you're trying to sell a false dream.

[super-roulette]

N6, for someone who told me they couldn't be bothered discussing this, you seem to take great interest in commenting in someone else's thread in an attempt at belittlement.

Why do you assume I have no knowledge of the game? You know absolutely nothing about me. Do you think I have just dropped from the sky and decided to make a quick buck flogging a roulette system? You make many false assumptions, why don't you try listening a little?

Roulette in itself is not a complicated game, in fact I think many people's frustrations are that they over complicate it. Systems based on mysticism and magic, on hunches and feelings, they will all lead to ruin. N6 have you heard of Ayn Rand? If not Google her,you may learn something.

RNG or live dealer, they can both be overcome - it really is not rocket science.  In fact it is far easier to gain an edge over a real wheel, a physical device, that is not truly random, which over 10s, 100s and 1000s of spins exhibits characteristics which can be tracked, measured and taken advantage of. This is where we are heading and it is very exciting at the potential this software has.

I do not know why you are intent on trying to discredit me, I have never once returned likewise to you. Yes I posted a link here (one link) to my website, to promote a software product I know that works. When Victor said it wasn't allowed, I understood and asked if a test could be run, Victor obliged and well here we are. You offer advice to others on the forum that is constructive and helpful, so I am bemused at your vehement dislike for something that is and will continue to be a powerful tool for playing roulette.

Matt

[Number Six]

Matt, I am not trying to discredit you. I have facts. You don't like them and call them false assumptions. You're kidding yourself. You say this bot will win long term. You're in denial of the maths of the game. It doesn't work because it can't work - the maths won't allow it. You seem to believe otherwise, which is why should expand your knowledge. Your bot is just another progression system, only it's automated. You sell it and says it works. Please tell me...why does automation overcome the house egde? That is the primary attribute of the bot. It has nothing else worthy of discussion. It plays systems, probably entirely rule-based, that are subject to randomness's brutal nature. And save the AI crap. That's an illusion that won't wash with me. It has no concept of strategy or intuition. Your bot IS a primitive x and y system. Dress it up all you want, it won't change the truth. In my book it's a scam because it won't achieve what you're claiming.

[Tiago2]

It doesn't work because it can't work

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/

See link above, check the post dates.
Started on April 14th with €30 on June 28th has now got €780 in the casino (withdrew money several times). Three months. 26 times more than his initial amount he started with still in the casino to use.

Sorry to hear about your loss TwoCatSam, SR is built with profit/loss targets, it'll do exactly as you set it to. It wont prevent you from not setting one or restarting it immediately after a loss target is reached. Money management is always a key factor at winning in roulette.
Continuing playing AI System in SR after connection to the internet was lost wasn't the best idea. AI system relies on a steady flow of numbers. All the best Sam, and may you recover tripple from the loss you had.

[rjeaton1]

Hey there TwoCat, I too am very sorry about your loss...that's really too bad.  I wish it to be your last though 

I think Victor has mentioned this to you before on this thread, but I don't know if you noticed it so I'll mention it again. 

You should look into a Virtual Private Server.  It has all the resources of a server, but you can treat it like it is a personal computer.  You just control it via your computer.  But, even with your computer off, it continues to run.  You don't have to worry about disconnects at all (unless it's from BV's end of course).

There is more in the sponsor section, you should really check it.  I mention a site in there that gives a free trial so you can see if you like it without the financial commitment.

[super-roulette]

N6, not only are you trying to discredit me, but you are also discrediting a number of other like minded people (intelligent people I might add) who spent many hours on developing and refining AI so that now it is a very powerful strategy. You have taken all that work that we as a group invested ourseleves into and diluted it down, to one four letter word - CRAP - in my eyes that is discrediting it. And you do it without a hint of the mechanics of how and why it works.

Binomial distribution and standard deviation can be drawn upon and used in an even chance game, because they have their roots in science and they do hold true for a large spin sample. Argue this all you want, but being able to automatically track 100s of spins and wait for triggers to occur before placing a bet, means you enter the game when it is favourable for the player, you are in the 'sweet spot' so to speak and betting is alot more efficient and draw downs are much less.

I have never once argued the maths can be beaten,- never, what I have put forward is that if we use logic and reason we can implement systems and strategies that manipluate the odds and give you an advanatage, especially in a game of even chance (BV no zero). In this very section of the forum you are testing an E-C strategy, well any mathemathician would tell you that it is impossible to win with outside bets, given the -2.7%, you cannot possibly gain an edge. Yet as you mention there is a tendecy for numbers to clump and streak, which us true, so you find that maybe you can manipulate the odds in your favour. The software also has a strategy that capitalises on this phenomenon.

N6 I think you miss the point of the software. It is not the BOT that does the winning, the BOT simply interfaces the systems and strategies and automates the whole process. The BOT is only as good as what is under its hood. All systems are rule based, whether mechanincal or dynamic, so your point is void. You dont sit down at a table and have no idea what your strategy is, do you? Of course not, you have some rules or ideas in mind on how you will play, dependant on how the session unfolds - the systems and strategies within the software are no different, of course they have defined parameters, but these are highly configurable by the user and they also react to what the numbers are doing.

Sam lost money yes, but he also turned his intitial BR over 4 times, so one could argue he also won money. If someone from your study group, went to their local casinso and put into practice what you taught them, and tripled their BR, you would say your ideas worked very well. If that same person went back the next day and had a bad session, got frustrated, let emotion get in the way and lost the lot, would you say your system is a failure and was a victim of randomness? Of course you wouldnt, you would say losing sessions will come from time to time, but they key to being successful in the long term is knowing when to quit a session that is going against you. Many people are winning daily with this software, myself included, but I know you do not belive that.

N6, I understand your skepticism to a point, but don't agree with the prickliness of how you convey it.

[Number Six]

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/other-software-for-roulette/super-roulette-software-real-money-play/

See link above, check the post dates.
Started on April 14th with €30 on June 28th has now got €780 in the casino (withdrew money several times). Three months. 26 times more than his initial amount he started with still in the casino to use.

Sorry, I simply don't believe a word that man writes.

Or anyone's bot propaganda. This guy The Force has spoke to users of your bot. None of them are winning consistently.

Your bot plays systems because it is programmed to follow rules. It can't think, although you might have convinced yourself it can. The only strategies that can defeat roulette are adaptive ones that are about as close to autonomy as you can get, meaning they are not governed by rules. Instead of being designed to circumvent randomness, they use the natural flow of randomness. Of course, randomness can't be predicted, so when and what to bet can't be built into any system. It's exploited through human intervention and ability. Short of physics-based methods, adaptive strategies are the only viable winning solution. I highly, highly doubt your bot implements an adaptive strategy, because if you or any of your cronies had the talent to devise one you wouldn't be selling bots would you? You're concerned with binomial distribution and standard deviation...means nothing to me because it's all fallacious. You can't use binomial distribution to gain an edge. Poisson maybe.

[Tiago2]

Its more than just a bot, its an entire community behind it.

N6, to quote you from nolinks://vlsroulette.com/law-of-the-third/a-quick-word-on-system-theory/

When the conditions are deemed favourable the method becomes fully operational and attacks, following a hypothetical game tree that adopts a solid shape and changes in real-time to show how the attack is progressing (compared to how it should) and what counteraction is to be taken if things start going wrong.

There is a similer concept already inplemented into SR. I've spent years developing bots, coding countless betting styles, implementing various ideas and yet all the while keeping focus on the core of the roulette-bot, re-writing, re-fining then re-writing it again. And thats what has the power to drive SR. A car without it's engine is useless, an engine without the car isn't much good either. The toughest, the most complex methods of play can be coded into a bot, adaptive or non adaptive. I've spent years building a framework for roulette betting strategy styles to be easily created, tested, refined and tweaked.

Quote N6
Remember that the only bots around at the moment implement flawed progression systems. You talk about bot users...yes, I believe there are many, as there are many people here who are desperate for a solution. They want it given to them. Few of them are willing to work hard for it. Many think bots are the answer. But they, and their users, are a joke. None of them will win over the long haul, and that makes them a waste of time. They're pretty much a 100% scam.


You speak like you actually know what you're talking about, SR is not just a bot SR is a community. With countless hours spent as a group discussing ideas, finding out what works and what doesn't, we've had online conferances and so much more to improve SR. We come up with an idea we test it, if it holds water we refine it. If its pure trash we chuck it. Ask the members of SR forum, ask them about the effort put into SR, the ideas coded into the bot that made it better or the ones ones coded then tested with the bot only to be trashed because it didn't work. I know you wont because you detest the idea of bots. Corrected if Im wrong, but if I remember correctly you've been playing roulette for over 20 years. You've started when computers weren't much more powerful than todays calculators. You've dug yourself a rut, you've got cozy in it and found what works for you. Doesn't mean thats the only thing that works. You're limiting yourself now N6. The human mind is extraodinary and it has something computers don't. The power to think, and thats why man created computers to help them think and work quicker.

Quote N6
because if you or any of your cronies had the talent to devise one you wouldn't be selling bots would you

If you're so high and mighty and full of great ideas why are you here? If you know how to play roulette and win consistently in the long haul why are you still here?! and sharing those ideas to the world? I can't answer that for you, but in my opinion great ideas can always be improved. You may spend years developing a great way to play roulette, release it to the public and someone will improve it! That other someone doesn't have to start from scratch, no, he's got an already thought out idea with hundreds of hours put into it that he doesn't have to go through himself to reach that level. Why release a great roulette bot to the public, to improve it!

You're not just tring to discredit Matt and the hard work he's done to launch SR, you're discrediting an entire community who (gosh) dares to think differently than you. Yes we use bots, we've grown sick and tired of tracking everything down with pen and paper. So much time and effort spent doing it manually when researching and seeing outcomes to ideas are just a click away. There's got to be a coder behind it yes, thats me. By all means don't think coding is easy, don't you dare think coding ideas into a program is simple, a waste of time and the lazy's mans way out of it! Once its coded what would have taken weeks or even months to do manually is done in seconds! Months may still be spend developing an idea but it be alot less developed had we not used a bot. I've spent years developing bots and increasing their potential, and to have someone who, from the way he writes, knows virtually nothing of what a bot is capable off and rants of like a know-it-all-maniac discrediting hard work, work that one (me and countless others) has put so much blood into... by all means N6 stay in your study group section where you actually help others move forwards.

[super-roulette]

N6, civility is obviously not your strong suit, once again you need to resort to personal attacks against me and the people who have helped develop the software, we are all cronies now? 

You also are calling Tom a liar. Tom is one of the most honest people I know (sometimes maybe too honest) and he calls it exactly how he sees it. He is affiliated with the software in no way whatsoever, he has indeed won that much (started at 30E, in fact he is now at 1000E) and I and other's can confirm this. But obviously it matters not to you, as you will only believe what you want to.

I also find it a nonsensical argument when people say "if you find a winning strategy, why would you sell it?" Why wouldn't you? Why not have two potential income streams rather than one? No need for smoke and mirrors about some secret strategy. I have invested time and money into developing and testing the software, and I know it has a value, hence it commands a sale price - simple commerce. To label me a scammer because I am selling something is just a sign of immaturity and jealously.

The Force says he has spoken to people who have lost money, which you believe readily, yet when I tell you many people (including myself) are winning money you instantly dismiss it and insinuate fabrication. Once someone buys the software I have no control over how they use it. I give guidelines on recommended bank rolls and advocate people practice alot in fun mode and with the saved spins feature so they can see how a game flows and can change. If a tradesman slams a nail into his finger, does he blame the nail gun?

The BOT is not hard coded, it is entirely user configured. I give the logic and reasoning behind why the strategies work and the player then configures it to play according to a basic template, but it is not stricly defined in any way. Yes I have looked at the poisson distribution, and I agree it can could also be used to advantage, the software is constantly being developed so we may explore this in the future. Saying that, standard deviation in respects to binomial distribution and zscore calculations are proving to be wonderful markers to identify betting opportunities.

N6 as dogmatic as you are that there is no way this software can do as it claims, I am prepared to put myself out there, as I know that it does exactly what it purports to. How about if I organise a trial for you and you can give it a run for a day, a week, a month, however long, no strings attached, report back whatever you like...

Matt

[The Spiders Kiss]

N6 as dogmatic as you are that there is no way this software can do as it claims, I am prepared to put myself out there, as I know that it does exactly what it purports to. How about if I organise a trial for you and you can give it a run for a day, a week, a month, however long, no strings attached, report back whatever you like...



Well now this would be the acid test....How about it No6  
The Spiders Kiss

[thomasgrant]

Sorry, I simply don't believe a word that man writes.

Ohh dear... looks like my name is mud again.

There was a time when they said the earth was flat.
There was a time when they said the earth was the center of the universe.
There was a time when they believed the 4 minute mile could never be broken.
There was a time when man though that he could never achieve flight.

Time and experience have proven all these to be incorrect.
Plus, someone had the balls to go out and do it, regardless of what other people said.

Did you know that Marconi was locked up in a asylum
for even telling people that radio waves could be carried threw air.

What does that say about my claims?
Are they true? Or a bunch of baloney.

Lets see.

Some will say that I am liar.
A peddler.
A scam artist.

Some will say.
F that. This guy has been upfront.
And put all he has on the table.

Personally...

I could not give a rats behind what you think.

My bank balance and me are on very good terms.
So make up your own mind.

Before someone else does.

[thomasgrant]

N6 as dogmatic as you are that there is no way this software can do as it claims, I am prepared to put myself out there, as I know that it does exactly what it purports to. How about if I organise a trial for you and you can give it a run for a day, a week, a month, however long, no strings attached, report back whatever you like...

Well now this would be the acid test....How about it No6  Huh?
The Spiders Kiss

Does that mean you have the Bot?
And have used it?

[thomasgrant]

N6 this person uses a bot as well.
Are his result untrue?

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/first-test-of-my-new-toy!-(the-bot-tiago-made-for-me)/

The bot is similar to Super Roulette.
Looks the same.
Different system.
That is the beauty of it.
Any system can be coded into it.

Just about ready to go to play on a live wheel.

[The Spiders Kiss]

No mate.It doesn't.
I am not a fan of bots either if you want to know the truth.I feel roulette is a game that you need to "feel" and I dont think you can do that with a bot  yet ...but neither am I as highly sceptical of them as No6 is, cos I can see that maybe you may be able to make a quick short term profit whilst the strategy you are playing is in motion.
My point was that if No6 tested it and he said it worked..well then I guess we would all have our eyes opened.
The Spiders Kiss

[The Spiders Kiss]

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