TwoCat tests the bot on casino account #1

[Number Six]

Mr Chips should read this crap. He thinks Spike and Gizmotron are the comedy duo. The real comedy is right here.

Someone has been editing my posts - I know it for a fact because the time stamps have changed, from when I actually made the post to when I apparently did. What's that all about? Did I break any rules or what? No, of course I didn't. I said nothing untoward yet some tyrant is twisting my words. It is unacceptable to be censored like this. It's a roulette forum not the goddamn general assembly. Now, what kind of people would do that? Scammers?

[super-roulette]

You are basically all scammers and would lie out of your teeth to make a sale

N6, I take it this means you are not interested in testing the software?

Matt

[Mr Chips]

I don't know one end of a bot to the other. I admit to complete ignorance as to how they work, but I am not slow in seeing
the possibility of a betting opportunity, which could well be in the players favour.
 
I don't know if the bots can make selective bets, by that I mean after x number of spins the particular system activates a
trigger to commence placing bets. There are certain systems that would be impractical at a b & m casino, but ideal for use
in a bot.
 
I understand that on line casino's are getting wise to players placing a number of bets over a long period of time, suspecting
the use of bots and selective betting could well get round that problem.
 
I am willing to learn as to what bots can and can't do, but it seems to me there are endless opportunities using systems that
work particularly well with bots.
 
Mr Chips

[super-roulette]

coming soon to a live dealer near you...
Matt

[TwoCatSam]

For a time, I will only post on my own threads.  I am going to publish my latest graph.  Notice how the line dips into the negative and then makes a steady climb to the win limit of 5E?  This graph is most representative of those I see on a daily basis.

Victor once spoke of a "positive tram" and how you should learn to identify them.  The upward swing of this graph is a positive tram.  It could just as easily be a negative one, or one that just goes down a ways and then bounces around at about level for hours.  After that trot it will either go wildly up or wildly down.  This is when I loose.  Though it is wrong, I am learning to pause the bot while on a negative tram.  I just go away for a hour.  I do this when I am down about 20E.  When I return, I try to sit with the thing a while and see what it's likely to do.  I firmly believe this thing could be programmed to "go virtual" as Victor used to say until the tram became positive.

What has this to do with anything?  Just this.  I am now running a RNG.  Yet, I have seen this same thing happen in real play on a real wheel.  As winkel said, it makes no difference as to RNG or live.  So while numbers may be displayed from a random source, wheel or RNG, they tend to follow the same patterns.  If we can identify these patterns, more to the good. 

Here's the graph.  Note it's about 1,000 spins, not 4,000 like yesterdays.  Yesterday was a bear!

Sam

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[vix]

Thanx for updating sam 

[TwoCatSam]

Well, there is reason to celebrate in Botsville tonight.  I probably shouldn't, but I will anyway.  

An idea came along and Tiago liked it so much he dropped his hamburger and immediately coded it into the bot.  Matt ran it through his 1,000,000 RNG spins and here's the result.

By the way, it's FLAT-BETTING!  I have no idea how it's done; don't really care.  For those of you who notice there is no profit in the window, that is because Tiago has incorporated a blazing-fast test feature which produces nothing but the graph.  You may look at the graph to see the figures.

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[Skrizy]

Dear Twocat.

Looking at the pattern of the graph line, no way that is a flat betting system. I don't in any way want to offend u! But from my point of view the graph is behaving abnormal for flat bets. And i will tell u why. The profit indicated by the line is not always the same (wich is a strong indicator for a flat betting system). I know there are different bets with different profits and that even with a flat betting system profits don't always have to be the same, but the variance is too swingy. There are also a lot of falls and those have different lengts indicating a different betsize. 2 reasons to believe some sort of progression is used.

I hope we can politely debate about it. I can only advise others to do the same.

Kind Regards,
Skrizy.

[Number Six]

Please tell us about the bot's so-called AI. I have asked serious questions before about the bot. But I have received no answers whatsoever. Now, what is this? Are you actually trying to help people with the bot by answering serious questions, or are you just marketing it by posting graphs?

So my serious questions are: tell the forum about the bot's AI feature. I have looked on the site. As usual the description of the AI is about two sentenences and contains nothing but some pap about standard deviation and averages. From what I can make, the bot is still using precise maths to calculate bets, therefore it is following rules and the betting process is still mechanical. Also, please define a hot sector. How does the bot define a hot sector and why and how does it attack it?

These questions apply to anyone.

[rjeaton1]

Dear Twocat.

Looking at the pattern of the graph line, no way that is a flat betting system. I don't in any way want to offend u! But from my point of view the graph is behaving abnormal for flat bets. And I will tell u why. The profit indicated by the line is not always the same (wich is a strong indicator for a flat betting system). I know there are different bets with different profits and that even with a flat betting system profits don't always have to be the same, but the variance is too swingy. There are also a lot of falls and those have different lengts indicating a different betsize. 2 reasons to believe some sort of progression is used.

I hope we can politely debate about it. I can only advise others to do the same.

Kind Regards,
Skrizy.

Here is my guess...  When using flat bets, on a win or loss, the appearance on the BR balance graph will have an angle to it.  That angle will be slightly tilted to the right and be going up or down.  Then, between bets there is a flatline, and then again, on a win or loss it either goes up or down with an angle tilting slightly to the right.

However, any BR balance graph has to "compact" that graph as it gets "deeper" into the amount of spins it has to graph.

So, at spin 20 the angle of the br balance graph line will be easily visible on a win or loss.

At spin 1000, it will be less visible.

At spin 10000, even less so.

At spin 1,000,000 what happens is that any angle is almost imperceptible.  So, what happens is if there are two, three, four, even five wins in a row using flat betting, and they are all done back to back (or very close to back to back) the balance graph will have no way of showing any "angle". 

What I mean is, it will look like the graph shot up 5 units all in one win...when in fact it took five wins to get it.

Open up rxtreme and flat bet for 20 spins.  Make yourself win 5 times in a row, don't bet for 5 spins, then lose 5 times in a row, then don't bet for 5 spins, then just win in a chop sequence back and forth.

Then, let RXtreme run for 1,000,000 spins...even 100,000 spins and then go back and look at the BR balance graph again.

You'll see it begins to look more and more like you got those 5 wins all in one shot...same goes for the losses.

You'll also see those 5 spins you went in between without betting become almost invisible on the graph.

I believe that graph is flat betting...if you do what I've said, you will too.

[rjeaton1]

Alright, I'm not doing anything at the present moment, so I figured I'd save you the trouble and do what I instructed myself...

Here is the first BR balance graph.  I spun 5 times without betting.  Then, I won 5 flat bets in a row (on red).  Then, I spun 5 times without betting, then I lost 5 bets in a row (on red).  Then I spun 5 times without betting.  Then, I flat bet on red and won/lost in a chop patten for 11 spins.  Here is what the BR balance graph looks like.

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[rjeaton1]

Here is that same graph, but at 7k spins:   (you'll see it looked like I won, then lost 5 units all at the same time)

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[mistarlupo]

Thanks for the clarification, rjeaton1, nice work!

TwoCatSam,
Congratulations, sir... really impressive results, your new idea is good obviously!
Keep up the good work and keep us updated with information about your further tests. Appreciated.

Good luck.

[TwoCatSam]

I will be happy to answer any questions I can.

First, this is not my idea and none of the things in the program are my ideas.  I could not explain AI to you if my life depended on it.  Tiago has explained it thoroughly and I will readily admit--I simply cannot grasp it. 

As to the graph, Matt is the one who made it with 1,300,000 spins he has.  He is the one who says it is flat betting.  I truly believe him as I have his 1,300,000 spins and could check it.  By the way, he posted something once I could not believe so I asked for the spins.  He sent them and I ran the test robot.  Exactly, to the penny, the same results on two different settings.

Frankly, I do not understand hot sectors as hot sectors are part of a wheel and RNG has no wheel.  I think they just had to call it something.

As for myself personally I do not use hot sectors, sectors or AI, although I do test about 4,000 to 5,000 spins per day with AI.  Whatever it is and whatever it does, it is most impressive.  By the end of July I should have something like 150,000 spins cataloged into trots of from 900 to 4,000 spins each.  I plan to do a complete study on them with different settings and report.  Perhaps I should publish that here.

I am using a feature that was one of the very first in the bot.  I found it to be quite trustworthy and am happy to continue to play real money with it.  I have learned to use Victor's "tram" idea and when I see I am on a negative tram, I pause the bot and wait for two hours.  While each number is randomly selected, the tram will often go from negative to positive and then onward to my goal. 

RNG numbers, or at least those from Bet Voyager, follow very identifiable trends.  Consider the numbers produced as tiny drops of white paint.  Now consider them arranging themselves into a shape--a cat for example.  That's this trot; the next trot may be a dog. 

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Using #10 bets on all bets.  Granted I hit a lot of single numbers.  I would cut the whole total in half to be realistic.  Call it #810.  But it is real, believe it or not.

The blue line that ends at about #2400 is the one that will buy the beer.  It is the AI.  It is not luck; the other is mostly luck.

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[TwoCatSam]

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