TwoCat tests the bot on casino account #1

[thomasgrant]

The TwoCat shuffle.
Looking forward to seeing that in action.
Best of luck.
Keep us all posted.

[TwoCatSam]

Number 6

As an American, I cannot play at Playtech.  I am still at Bet Voyager playing on a friend's account.  I have three of them actually.  Three people I'd send a hundred Euro to in a minute and never worry.

I am proposing a test to the Administrator, Lanky, the Co-administrator, Xman1970 and Victor.  If they accept, I will either pass of fail.  If I fail, I'll cease to speak of the bot or Super Roulette.  If I win, I will propose a second, real-money test to be performed with all three of the above looking over my shoulder. There is a 95% chance I will double my bankroll before I lose it.  Since only one person can put money in this account, if it grows he can testify it grew through winnings and not deposits.

If I win, Victor keeps the 200 Euro.  If I lose, Victor, I will NOT leave the forum as I said before.  I will just not speak of the bot anymore.

Should we put this to a forum vote?  Should I just shut up?  Despite what Number 6 and some others believe, I have no financial interest in this and don't stand to make a penny.  All I want to do is show that it can be done.  Hmmmmmm.....What if I personally guaranteed someone a refund if they bought the bot and could not make their money back?  I could deposit the money with Victor in advance.   I'll have to think on that one.  I don't even know what the bot sells for!  Now there's an LOL.

Sam

[thomasgrant]

Current price for Super Roulette standard is $249.00 USD

Current price for Super Roulette Live is $375.00 USD

Now if you consider it to be expensive.
Compare it to CasinoBusters.
They are charging $1200 for a system or systems.
Or what I paid Murph for his crappy systems. $1000

2 people have made over $10,000 with this bot.
I happen to be one of those people.

As for what other members have made.
Well you will have to ask them.
It's Roulette.
It's RNG or Live play.

TwoCat has done well with it at times.
And lost with it.

The new version is about to be released.
With many new features.
And improvements.

[VLSroulette]

Sam, listen, your offer is quite generous, yet remember, this isn't for "Victor to keep" but for the forum to have some "cushion" either for better resources or to cover shortage for a given month.

I suggest you get to make the test after we get "really" back: on monday we move to an arse-kicking datacenter in Chicago; thanks to your extra we raise connectivity from 100Mbit to 1000Mbit, a x10 increase

After the initial void from visitor's Internet Providers to point to the new location, I'm getting everything back, including the chart tag and of course attachments, downloads, etc.

Then the forum is ready for hardcore load.

Hope this gets to a fine result.

Regards.

[Marven]

Current price for Super Roulette standard is $249.00 USD

Current price for Super Roulette Live is $375.00 USD

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TwoCat has done well with it at times.
And lost with it.

The new version is about to be released.
With many new features.
And improvements.

LOL

[TwoCatSam]

Victor

OK, for the forum then.  For the good of the group.  Have a look at the attached screen shot.  This morning I was at 3.25 Euro.  Tonight I'm at 22.12 Euro.  Let's talk units:  From 325 units to 2,212 units.  An increase of 1,887 units.  Let's talk percentages:  An increase of almost 700% in one day.  Who you gonna call?

I propose that in January I PayPal Victor 100 Euro for him to put in an account only he can touch.  He and he alone can withdraw.  I will give Lanky and Xman the user and password and they can check on it from time to time.  We will have to coordinate when I'm not going to be playing.

There is a 95% chance I will double the bankroll.  Victor can withdraw it all and use it for the forum as he chooses.  If the 5% devil jumps up and gets me, I shall cease to speak of the bot--any bot forever.  I'll just post about other things.  Psychology, mostly.

So, Mr. Victor, think on this one.  It's over two months until January.  I'll be scraping up my pennies!

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[Lanky]

I will give Lanky and Xman the user and password and they can check on it from time to time.  We will have to coordinate when I'm not going to be playing.

Hi Sam.

Mate while I certainly appreciate Your trust in Me.

I will have to decline the offer......I don't want the user-name and or the password given to Me.

Thanks Mate.

Lanky.

[xman1970]

@ 2Cats

I'm happy for you to post your results here, but like Lanky I feel that ADMIN shouldn't have access to your account.

But I do appreciate you trusting me for that position 

[VLSroulette]

"Mr. Sam" This forum and community is grateful to you a lot! I'm willing to assist in anything I can.

Be certain anything deriving from this is to be be used for the good of us; for the group to enjoy in resources.

I have no problem in having the password for your account. Anyway I'm not going to play; it is only for checking out the balance; making some screenshots for the fellows and we are all happy

As for the what to do shall you win = hardware, hardware and more hardware! Hooray! (I must admit I'm like a kid with a new toy when getting hardware upgrades  ).

[TwoCatSam]

Listen, Gentlemen, I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable. 

This is for January, 2010 so we lots of time to rat it out.

Meanwhile I will post my November and December test results.  If I fail, there will be no test anyway!

The purpose of this real-money test is to show that I actually can win 10,000 units.  Makes no difference if the units are pennies or dollars. 

It will be fun!  What's the down side?  I blow a hundred Euro and I shut up about bots! 

Don't count on it.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

1 to 100.000 is too large of a betting range for the EC's. They were sooner or later going to realize this and make the adjustment.

(The blue is Sam's.)

Marven

Now that I understand you--or do I?  I understand you to be saying this:  A range of 1 unit to 100,000 units is too large of a betting range for the EC's.  OK, now do I have that right?

If I do NOT have it right, what do you mean?

If I DO have it right, why would a 1 to 100,000 range be too large for an EC?

Thank you.

Sam

[VLSroulette]

...Regarding 1 to 100,000; it may be too large when compared to the regular table limits at the casino... Considering one purpose of table limits being not allowing players with deep enough pockets win consistently with only their huge bank and a dim probability of losing as a technique.

i.e. such range allows for a martingale of 17 elements:

1
2
4
8
16
32
64
128
256
512
1024
2048
4096
8192
16384
32768
65536

And next one would be: 131072, which totals 17 playable steps for a martingale.

Say someone waits for 10-13 of an even chance and starts a 17-step marty... perhaps he could last quite a while before a 27 to 30 of the same color kicks-in.

What if the scheme is a D'alembert? Rise +1 on a lose. 1 to 100.000 is quite a number to try.

[winkel]

(The blue is Sam's.)

Marven

Now that I understand you--or do I?  I understand you to be saying this:  A range of 1 unit to 100,000 units is too large of a betting range for the EC's.  OK, now do I have that right?

If I do NOT have it right, what do you mean?

If I DO have it right, why would a 1 to 100,000 range be too large for an EC?

Thank you.

Sam

They have already changed the limits on No-Zero-Roulette and on Roulette with no house edge:
new maximum 100 euro

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winkel

[Marven]

If I DO have it right, why would a 1 to 100,000 range be too large for an EC?

Because with a huge range available, using a progression, the probability for the event that would kill the progression would be tinier (although the house's long-term edge still exists because that event WILL happen). The player could therefore win a bit too much over a longer period, during which he might stop coming back and move to another casino before he gives all the money back. They want to keep things realistic, not too tiny of a range so they can attract progression players, but not too huge either. This is especially true for land based casinos. Why? Because in online casinos (especially RNG) people play a bigger amount of trials, it's easier to keep playing on and on, therefore the event causing depletion is more and more expected to occur.
This, by the way, is the reason why you usually find bigger ranges for low value chips, and smaller ranges for high value chips. For instance in one casino, you might find:

$0.01 - $15 Range: 1 to 1500
$2 - $100 Range: 1 to 50

This is because even if those playing $0.01 unit (using a progression) keep winning for a relatively long while, it's no big deal because they won't be winning big anyway, but rather small and slow.

So to sum up:
It's not because progression players will become long term winners, but because the casino doesn't want to wait for an event that occurs once every 3 months of non-stop betting before they can get their money back, especially when higher chip values are involved. They're running a business and they literally expect you to lose at one point. If you don't, then to them something is wrong.

Marv

[TwoCatSam]

Marven

So, if I understand you..........

1.  The casino had a spread of 1 to 100,000 pennies
2.  Robots happened!
3.  The casino dropped the spread from 1 to 10,000.

And in your opinion event #3 had nothing to do with #2.  It was just pure coincidence.  Had a robot never been invented, they would have still dropped the limit.

OK!

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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