New strategy to be tested

[jimenez]

it depends ..
that's why I asked for testing the method since probably is better to wait for 4xDD...
We are lacking of statistics...

[Jeromin]

On that particular session, with the advantage of hindsight, the best progression is 1-3-stop, starting at 3xD. 1 unit on dozen, 1 on columns, then 3 each. SD/ DS on the first step pays 1, SS on the first pays 4, SD/DS on the second step pays 1, SS pays 10, DD/0 losses 8.

1000 spins:

1,10,1,10,1,10,1,1,1,10,10,-8,10,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,10,1,10,-8,1,1,10,-8,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,10,1,1,10,-8,1,1,1,1,10,1,1,-8.
Total: 105 units.

When the first loss of 8 units comes, we're already 56 units ahead and we're never even close to negative territory. Plus, every -8 is preceded by at least one +10. Of course it is possible to extend the progression to cover for 5xD, 6xD and 7xD, but it would also mean starting further away from the table limit, rather than potentially 1/6 of table limit (€250 where I play, €41.6 per unit )
The question for me now is whether this 1000 spin sample is representative or atypical. I'll test a few more, both from that sample and from other casinos. I'll be looking for similar payouts and for similar 3xD-4XD to higher D ratio, that is, a sharp drop after DD DD DD DD.

[jimenez]

... the best progression is 1-3-stop, starting at 3xD.
1 unit on dozen, 1 on columns, then 3 each. SD/ DS on the first step pays 1, SS on the first pays 4, SD/DS on the second step pays 1, SS pays 10,
DD/0 losses 8.

The question for me now is whether this 1000 spin sample is representative or atypical.

1000 spins are nothing !They are not representative .
We need more data for sure
I was thinking to play and see the formations of DD on Streets and six-lines together with D and C.

[Lanky]

it depends ..
that's why I asked for testing the method since probably is better to wait for 4xDD...
We are lacking of statistics...

Yes Mate I can see that and thats why I am trying to help You by supplying more spins for You.

From what I see that Your doing is a later Version of the JD=Jump Dozen and the JC= Jump column.
In other words Your D means that the Dozen/Column Changed from the last Spin.
And You S means that the same Dozen/Column repeated.

The difference with the Notations on the JD & the JC is that they are recorded as W for Your D and a L for Your S.
And they will run across the page and not down....
They will be underneath each other so it will be easier for You to see.

I have plenty of them on Record and I can supply You with them from a Tracker that Victor made Years ago.
And some kind Person may just make You a Tracker with the D and the S as the notations.
Having said that it won't change the fact that they are still the JD & the JC.(as I understand Your System)

Below I will supply You with approx 700 spins.

All You have to do is substitute Your D for a W and Your S for a L
As they stand now it would be.
W=D
L=S

I have more if You are interested.........Lanky.

SPIELBANK WIESBADEN SPINS   11/01/08.

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Lanky.

[redhot]

On that particular session, with the advantage of hindsight, the best progression is 1-3-stop, starting at 3xD. 1 unit on dozen, 1 on columns, then 3 each. SD/ DS on the first step pays 1, SS on the first pays 4, SD/DS on the second step pays 1, SS pays 10, DD/0 losses 8.

1000 spins:

1,10,1,10,1,10,1,1,1,10,10,-8,10,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,10,1,10,-8,1,1,10,-8,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,10,1,1,10,-8,1,1,1,1,10,1,1,-8.
Total: 105 units.

When the first loss of 8 units comes, we're already 56 units ahead and we're never even close to negative territory. Plus, every -8 is preceded by at least one +10. Of course it is possible to extend the progression to cover for 5xD, 6xD and 7xD, but it would also mean starting further away from the table limit, rather than potentially 1/6 of table limit (€250 where I play, €41.6 per unit )
The question for me now is whether this 1000 spin sample is representative or atypical. I'll test a few more, both from that sample and from other casinos. I'll be looking for similar payouts and for similar 3xD-4XD to higher D ratio, that is, a sharp drop after DD DD DD DD.

tested this quickly on 450 spins, ended +14 and included two losses of -8

[Jeromin]

Well you're right, they're not representative. Second 1000 spin session, same actuals, same wheel, next batch:

3xD: 15
4xD: 12
5xD:  5
6xD: 5
7XD: 1
8XD: 1 (!)

The 8XD was rapidly followed by 7XD, 5XD and  5XD, 4 to 10 spins appart...

Three SS help a bit but overall -54 units ( every time I I count it I get a slightly different figure, so this is all +/-2) for the second 1000 unit session.

[jimenez]

Thanks Lanky for your contribution..

8x is the first time to see it for me ..


Thanks for this.

[Jeromin]

8x is the first time to see it for me ..


Thanks for this.

With a 2 step progression, an 8XD in not so much the problem as 12 losing progressions vs only 27 winning ones.
Of course, a progression that takes 8xDD into account is possible, 1-3-9-27-81-243, and every bet's a winner, unless I hedge for 0, wich would eat up the one unit profit, or even more in the last two steps. The risk is bumping into a 9XDD, or several 0's, but the reward is the occasional SS, specially in later steps. I'll look it up

[Jeromin]

Well, enjoying once again the benefit of hindsight, and setting the progression at precisely 8 steps, I get a tidy profit of 415 units. The 7xDD, a 6xDD and a 5xDD all end up with SS. The problem, of course is that the final bet is 486 units, over my table limit, meaning a unit would have to be about €.50. The previous session had a two step progression, and while it only made 105 units profit, the base unit be se much higher, up to €41 per unit. Plus the risk now is much greater.

I guess we'll need to wait for extensive mechanical reults. This job, when done by hand,  is slow, tedious and error prone.

[jimenez]

A possibile option:

to track the Streets with the C and D..

C-D-S

DDD
DDD
DDS

we have to see how long can be the DDD...

[DOC]

Hi Jimenez

I have sent a message to your inbox, please read and reply.

I have also attached a programmable excel doc here so you can see that this system is in my opnion not worth the wait for 100, let alone 300 or more spins.  Insert your own numbers and let me know if you feel the same.  Sheets 1-3 have only 110 numbers but you can cut and past the formuals to stratch for as many number sas you want.

On sheets 4-5, there are over 400 numbers and I have manually made adjustments to the betting so adjust these if you overwrite the numbers.  DDD betted 100 on each col/Doz but if I lost i doubled up on the next spin.

Cheers

CHRIS

[Mr J]

@DOC >> Did you read that post I left you a few hours back?  Ken

[Mr J]

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