The vaporware is proceeding as expected. Here is an excerpt from one of the concepts:
on mouseUp
global spinList, dozList, colList, rbList, oeList, lhList
global globalTrendList, attackMode, thisSpinHold, theSpinCount, goodSpin
put the number of items in spinList into zap
put the text of field "fld2" into thisSpinHold
setGroupsNow -- creates the groups as a string
processSpin -- cleans up the spin entry box
if goodSpin = "true" then
add 1 to theSpinCount
put theSpinCount into field "fld3"
end if
trapSpin -- fills in the Lists - dozList, colList, rbList, oeList, lhList
------------- example: 13232132 or 11211222121212
-----------------
makeBetSelectionSingles -- gets data on existing singles
end mouseUp
on makeBetSelectionSingles
global betCode, winLossList, thisSpinHold
global spinList, dozList, colList, rbList, oeList, lhList, globalTrendList, attackMode
put findSinglesEC(rbList, 3) into holdECRB3
put findSinglesEC(oeList, 3) into holdECOE3
put findSinglesEC(lhList, 3) into holdECLH3
put findSinglesDOZ(dozList, 3) into holdDozDoz3
put findSinglesDOZ(colList, 3) into holdDozCol3
put findSinglesEC(rbList, 7) into holdECRB7
put findSinglesEC(oeList, 7) into holdECOE7
put findSinglesEC(lhList, 7) into holdECLH7
put findSinglesDOZ(dozList, 7) into holdDozDoz7
put findSinglesDOZ(colList, 7) into holdDozCol7
end makeBetSelectionSingles
function findSinglesEC thisListX, hNum
put "" into conditionSingleTF
put the number of chars in thisListX into hNumChars
put char (hNumChars - hNum) to hNumChars of thisListX into holdBatch
put offset("11", holdBatch) into tHold
if tHold > 0 then
put "false1, " after conditionSingleTF
else
put "true1, " after conditionSingleTF
end if
put offset("22", holdBatch) into tHold
if tHold > 0 then
put "false2" after conditionSingleTF
else
put "true2" after conditionSingleTF
end if
return conditionSingleTF
end findSinglesEC
function findSinglesDOZ thisListX, hNum
put "" into conditionSingleTF
put the number of chars in thisListX into hNumChars
put char (hNumChars - hNum) to hNumChars of thisListX into holdBatch
put offset("11", holdBatch) into tHold
if tHold > 0 then
put "false1, " after conditionSingleTF
else
put "true1, " after conditionSingleTF
end if
put offset("22", holdBatch) into tHold
if tHold > 0 then
put "false2, " after conditionSingleTF
else
put "true2, " after conditionSingleTF
end if
put offset("33", holdBatch) into tHold
if tHold > 0 then
put "false3" after conditionSingleTF
else
put "true3" after conditionSingleTF
end if
return conditionSingleTF
end findSinglesDOZ
Exhibit "A"
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fhome.earthlink.net%2F%7Egizmotron%2Fbbv.jpg&hash=31fc7717f3bf5f357cab41e3423370bcf86ed01c)
But does it get TV stations? Will it make coffee? Does it do anything useful at all.
Quote from: cheese on April 05, 2011, 07:37:43 PM
But does it get TV stations? Will it make coffee? Does it do anything useful at all.
Cheese, what is this unproductive arguing? Gizmo comes up with something, why are u just bashing him with no concrete ideas or proving he does anything wrong? i don't necessary mean that he is right or u r wrong, i just can't see your point. U just tell him that his ideas don't work, no examples, no proof, nothing. Is it about roulette at all?
Or your personal relations with Gizmo?
If u have some better tricks in your sleeve why not show?
is it for sale. just sit at the table and press the button. and the next number comes up.
Quote from: iggiv on April 05, 2011, 07:56:03 PM
I don't necessary mean that he is right or u r wrong, I just can't see your point.
My point is, he never comes with anything thats usable, he just talks talks talks about what he's GOING to do. He's been talking for over a year now and has produced zero. He did his Proof Demo here and proved he knew how to lose. Now he's going to build a box and win with that? What am I supposed to say. Hooray?
Quote from: cheese on April 06, 2011, 12:25:50 AM
My point is, he never comes with anything thats usable, he just talks talks talks about what he's GOING to do. He's been talking for over a year now and has produced zero. He did his Proof Demo here and proved he knew how to lose. Now he's going to build a box and win with that? What am I supposed to say. Hooray?
You might mention that before I began to take on students all I ever talked about was randomness, trends, patterns, dominances, and other characteristics of randomness, including reading randomness. You were pretty much in agreement with all that until I decided to share it with others. Then you became my personal internet troll. And that's all you have offered anyone for the past year. Cheese/ Spike was not one of my students. He has no idea what works. He says he has spoken with a few past students of mine that can't win with what I showed them. It's not my fault if they failed to learn. It happens all the time in colleges across the country. Do those students go find a Father Roulette figure to cry on their shoulders? Did they have to pay for their education even though they failed? Heck yes they do. This is not a case of unfairness. In fact all my past students get a free version of the working black box tool. Then there will be no excuse for not being able to win. And then there will be no need for Father Roulette. Cheese is a fundamentalist extremist. He thinks he wrote the book on Roulette. He thinks his unsubstantiated accusations should be taken as the gospel. In the past year I'm the only one here that has taken a stand and done something about my claims. Cheese / Spike has offered nothing but hate speech.
Cheese thinks he can win more than he can lose long term playing even chance bets only and flat betting. He will not share his secrets with anyone. If you don't believe me just look at what he has written at GG under the name Spike, here under the name Spike and Cheese. You will soon know who it really is that never comes with anything usable.
The only thing he does now is wreck threads.
Quote from: pins on April 06, 2011, 12:09:34 AM
is it for sale. just sit at the table and press the button. and the next number comes up.
It's a computer application. It lets you enter the last spin, you press spin, and then it tells you what to bet for the next spin. It's not an automated online internet bot. You can't use it at a live B&M casino. They won't allow computers at the table. You will need to use it with an online casino. You can also use it to prove that I have been telling the truth all along. At some point it will reach a consciences and achieve validation of concept. It was designed specifically to accomplish that goal. Because it's an algorithm, it is mathematical proof that the house's advantage is not an absolute, written in stone, that the frequentest oriented probability experts say it is. It's designed to end debate. It is only being presented at this forum.
After it has been seen to be effective I will sell it to individuals. There will not be excuses for not doing the work to gain the needed experience with this. I will always let any potential customer try it out first. They will be able to prove to themselves that it works before they ever put up any purchase price. But for now, everyone will be able to try it out here at this forum. I think that is about as fair as I can make it.
u r gonna let everybody download it?
u enter last spin-- it tells u what to bet based on 1 last spin only or previous spins as well?
Quote from: iggiv on April 06, 2011, 11:09:04 AM
u r gonna let everybody download it?
u enter last spin-- it tells u what to bet based on 1 last spin only or previous spins as well?
It's a black box.
Definition: "a. A device or theoretical construct with known or specified performance characteristics but unknown or unspecified constituents and means of operation."
I'm going to let everybody download it.
I'm not going to explain how it works. I've done that. I'm done taking on students. "This is the future."
So when do you reckon this software will be ready Gizmo?
Quote from: Mike on April 06, 2011, 11:56:51 AM
So when do you reckon this software will be ready Gizmo?
It took me about two hours to create the interface and the controls to license it. It took about two hours to isolate the singles in all the outside table bets in a telemetry format. So I have about four to five hours on it in two days so far. Some days I really feel like working on it. I think it will take about three weeks.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 06, 2011, 11:16:17 AM
It's a black box.
Definition: "a. A device or theoretical construct with known or specified performance characteristics but unknown or unspecified constituents and means of operation."
I'm going to let everybody download it.
I'm not going to explain how it works. I've done that. I'm done taking on students. "This is the future."
ic. thanx for explaining....will be waiting for your mysterious black box
Wow, that's a first time in 15 years. I was debugging this part of the program and it turns out I forgot to save something yesterday. But luckily I had posted the improvement here above. So all I had to do was cut and paste the corrected handler from here. It saved about 30 minutes. I was testing to see if everything sent out correct telemetry on singles. It does.
14, 22, 17, 34, 3, 12, 28, 5, 35, 1, 16, 13,
Singles:
false1, true2 122111212112
false1, true2 221212211121
false1, true2 121211212111
true1, false2, true3 222311313122
false1, true2, true3 212133122111
false1, true2 122111212112
false1, false2 221212211121
false1, true2 121211212111
false1, false2, true3 222311313122
false1, false2, false3 212133122111
Sleepers:
false1, true2 122111212112
false1, true2 221212211121
false1, true2 121211212111
true1, false2, true3 222311313122
false1, true2, true3 212133122111
false1, true2 122111212112
false1, false2 221212211121
false1, true2 121211212111
false1, false2, true3 222311313122
false1, false2, false3 212133122111
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 06, 2011, 10:45:33 AM
Cheese thinks he can win more than he can lose long term playing even chance bets only and flat betting. He will not share his secrets with anyone.
Just not true. I share everything I have with the casino every time I play. They are the only ones who pay well.
Quote from: iggiv on April 05, 2011, 07:56:03 PM
Cheese, what is this unproductive arguing? Gizmo comes up with something, why are u just bashing him with no concrete ideas or proving he does anything wrong? I don't necessary mean that he is right or u r wrong, I just can't see your point. U just tell him that his ideas don't work, no examples, no proof, nothing. Is it about roulette at all?
Or your personal relations with Gizmo?
If u have some better tricks in your sleeve why not show?
Yeah i totally agree with you.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 06, 2011, 10:59:50 AM
It's a computer application. It lets you enter the last spin, you press spin, and then it tells you what to bet for the next spin.
Wow! Can you imagine what this will do when it hits the market? It will shut down online roulette and probably B&M roulette as well. You can have a tiny earphone hidden in a pair of glasses and signal the last spin to an accomplice. He'll then tell you where to place the next bet. The chances of being caught are nil. What will the hit rate be? Will it win at least 60% of the placed bets? More? How much will it cost? This device can make millions for the user, it can't be cheap to buy. How come nobody has thought about this before? Just design a computer program to beat roulette, piece of cake. Dumb little me, I've been doing it the hard way..
Quote from: cheese on April 06, 2011, 10:00:57 PM
...Dumb little me, I've been doing it the hard way..
Actually I've discovered something building this. It's more disciplined than I usually am. It will be real interesting to see how fast it can react to change. I know it ferrets out the three states almost perfectly.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 06, 2011, 10:29:08 PM
Actually I've discovered something building this. It's more disciplined than I usually am. It will be real interesting to see how fast it can react to change. I know it ferrets out the three states almost perfectly.
As soon as you prove here, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that it picks winning bets, I make a pledge that I will buy it. I'm serious. All you have to do is prove it. How hard can that be? The question I have is, should I keep playing my method in the casino, or throw it out and wait for the box? Its a real dilemma.
Plodding along again:
13, 24, 18, 29, 15, 12, 1, 34, 31, 5, 22, 28, 2, 2, 2,
conRed - maybe - sleeper
conBlack - no
conOdd - maybe - sleeper
conEven - no
conLow - no
conHigh - maybe - single
conDoz1 - no
conDoz2 - maybe - sleeper
conDoz3 - maybe - single
conCol1 - maybe - single
conCol2 - no
conCol3 - yes - sleeper
---------------------------
true1, false2 221221112122222
true1, false2 122112121122222
false1, true2 121211122122111
false1, true2, true3 222321133123111
true1, false2, true3 133233111211222
true1, false2 221221112122222
false1, false2 122112121122222
false1, false2 121211122122111
false1, true2, false3 222321133123111
false1, false2, true3 133233111211222
true1, false2 221221112122222
true1, false2 122112121122222
false1, false2 121211122122111
false1, true2, false3 222321133123111
false1, false2, true3 133233111211222
false1, false2 221221112122222
false1, false2 122112121122222
false1, false2 121211122122111
false1, false2, false3 222321133123111
false1, false2, true3 133233111211222
============================
Data charted in my practice software:
| L M H | 1 2 3 | | B "R"| L H | O E | -- ## -- Line
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 13 -- 1
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 24 -- 2
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 18 -- 3
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 29 -- 4
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 15 -- 5
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 12 -- 6
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 1 -- 7
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 34 -- 8
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 31 -- 9
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 5 -- 10
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 22 -- 11
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 28 -- 12
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 2 -- 13
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 2 -- 14
| X | X | | X | X | X | -- 2 -- 15
Looks like it needs more work on the Doz / Col sections.
There, that's better. Boy are those Doz/Col sections messed up. More work debugging to do.
OK, found it. It should look OK now. COOLNESS! This really works so far.
P.S. Yes, I actually did debug this right here while modifying this thread, and adding to it. I have the software report telemetry back from different stages so that I can see it. In a way the software tells me where it's broken. It makes it real easy to fix it that way. And I can see that it is working up to that point too. This text window has a nice layout for looking at this telemetry. The software has a little text window. And I kill two birds with one stone. Also, a few of you might have seen me update it while it took place.
This means less than nothing to most of us. All we care about is a 500 spin test when you place the next bet from actuals supplied be a 3rd party and you pick the winning bet more often than not. Whats the hit rate, you haven't said.
Quote from: cheese on April 07, 2011, 09:18:03 PM
This means less than nothing to most of us. All we care about is a 500 spin test when you place the next bet from actuals supplied be a 3rd party and you pick the winning bet more often than not. Whats the hit rate, you haven't said.
Try to show some patience Father Roulette. Only you get to use that magical randomness where no matter what 30 to 40 spins happen you always get to turn them into favorable conditions. Oh, that's right. There are no favorable conditions. That's really bad news for those of us that have winning streaks. It must be tough keeping up that Zen babbling stuff and the cloak of Father Roulette bit?
There you go again, making demands about hit rates. New this season on the cable channels, Father Roulette and His Command Post.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 08, 2011, 11:30:29 AM
There you go again, making demands about hit rates.
Its a logical question. You claim to have 'vaporware', something that doesn't even exist and never will exist, and you can't make up a mythical hit rate to go with it? C'mon, sure you can..
Oh yeah, Father Roulette of harping again... Blah Blah Blah!
So here is history being made. This is from the screen of the Black Box Validator software. It's the first time that the screen properly executed & displayed correctly. This is the actual cut and paste from it.
Quote
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 08, 2011, 07:20:47 PM
Oh yeah, Father Roulette of harping again... Blah Blah Blah!
So here is history being made. This is from the screen of the Black Box Validator software. It's the first time that the screen properly executed & displayed correctly. This is the actual cut and paste from it.
Quote
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
<<<< -- 0 -- >>>>
<<<< -- Loser! -- >>>>
<<<< -- Shit! -- >>>>
Um, place all you have on black.
<<<< -- 1 -- >>>>
<<<< -- Shit, shit, shit! -- >>>>
That's it, I'm outa here...
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Only joking gizmo... ;D
That is hilarious, Bombus.
That was funny. I learned everything I know about Roulette from Spike. Cheese has set a new low for himself. Some days are far better than others.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 08, 2011, 08:57:48 PM
I learned everything I know about Roulette from Spike.
Tell us something we don't already know.
It's a proud moment for me.
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at 150
Place a bet of 50 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 50 on Dozen 3
I have it going into and out of attack mode. I have one last thing to add to it. I want to provide a session difficulty warning that it's had very few attack opportunities and when they were tried that didn't win enough to make that session worth the trouble.
This software makes bets after 12 spins have been entered. It then places a bet somewhere no matter what. There are no not bet spins. That alone reduces my chance to win. If you were to use it to play online you could sit out spins. Other than that, basically it's done. For now I'm going to power test it looking for bugs. I'm then going to offer it to a few existing students to see what they think during a beta test. And then! Guess what? I'm going to make it available to everyone here to try it out. Everyone will be able to demo this. You will use your own spins from your own sources.
What the heck. Let's give this a go. I have no idea if it wins or loses. It's designed to attempt to not bet big when conditions are worse. It attacks when conditions are best. It should produce losing streaks as well as winning streaks. I have no idea how long it will take to reach a good win.
It's not set to quit at a certain win goal.
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.
I can't think of a better way to do this. I have no idea if I beat Roulette with it or not. By everything I've learned about mechanical rule based systems this should not be able to out perform the house's edge. But it might. It will take a lot of testing to see if it does the job.
I have not placed the session difficulty warning layer in this yet. Good luck. And please don't use it at a real casino. In some cases it might be against the law. That's on you if you are that dumb. I take no responsibility if you break any laws. It might be legal to use it while gambling on-line. It could be suggested that it's a technical adviser.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 06:44:37 PM
It's designed to attempt to not bet big when conditions are worse. It attacks when conditions are best.
What does this mean? What does a 'worse' condition look like? What does a 'best condition' look like? I'm serious, give some examples. You must know, you put them in the software. How can random conditions be better or worse when you have no clue, no hint, no idea what the next spin is. Its exactly like somebody saying this is a bad time to pull the arm on a slot machine. Its completely random, how could they possibly know when a right time to play is? Its silliness personified and shows a complete non understanding of how random works and what it is.
Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 06:59:12 PM
What does this mean? What does a 'worse' condition look like? What does a 'best condition' look like? I'm serious, give some examples. You must know, you put them in the software. How can random conditions be better or worse when you have no clue, no hint, no idea what the next spin is. Its exactly like somebody saying this is a bad time to pull the arm on a slot machine. Its completely random, how could they possibly know when a right time to play is? Its silliness personified and shows a complete non understanding of how random works and what it is.
If I got everything I know about Roulette from you then why can't you answer this one on your own? I even built a BLACK BOX simulation so that it demonstrates everything you have complained about up until now. It makes bet selections. It's built this way with the idea that I would never explain it to anyone. That includes you chump. I will never wise you up.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 07:13:36 PM
I even built a BLACK BOX simulation so that it demonstrates everything you have complained about up until now. It makes bet selections.
I get it, more vaporware. Never mind. Good luck with you're 'good and bad' times to bet. Because thats all you'll have, luck...
Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 07:19:37 PM
I get it, more vaporware. Never mind. Good luck with you're 'good and bad' times to bet. Because thats all you'll have, luck...
It's not vaporware any more. It's in your face. Others just might find it valuable. You don't actually think that others here drink your Kool-aid do you Father Roulette? :spiteful:
This is just more thread wreckage brought to you by the disruptor, Cheese.
======================================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 07:24:48 PM
It's not vaporware any more. It's in your face.
Its not in my face. I'm not downloading nonsense, why would I. Knock yourself out.
Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 07:34:45 PM
Its not in my face. I'm not downloading nonsense, why would I. Knock yourself out.
It really doesn't matter you know. You said it did not exist and that it never would. You are a bad streak.
=============================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 07:40:42 PM
It really doesn't matter you know. You said it did not exist and that it never would.
Um, you just said you don't even know if it wins or loses. So the vaporware that picks the next bet and wins more than it loses it still nonexistent. All this 'thing' you have could be, is a roulette playing applet that does nothing but play the game like every other applet does. Yawn..
Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 07:47:14 PM
Um, you just said you don't even know if it wins or loses. So the vaporware that picks the next bet and wins more than it loses it still nonexistent. All this 'thing' you have could be, is a roulette playing applet that does nothing but play the game like every other applet does. Yawn..
=============================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.
Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 07:47:14 PM
All this 'thing' you have could be, is a roulette playing applet that does nothing but play the game like every other applet does. Yawn..
It's not an applet. It's an application. It really exists.
Definition: "A program designed to be executed from within another application. Unlike an application, applets cannot be executed directly from the operating system."
What does this have to do with Roulette discussion? It just proves that you are full of shit today. Let's see if that's a trend.
=============================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 08:02:13 PM
It's not an applet. It's an application. It really exists.
Applet, application, whatever. It doesn't pick the right bet more often than not, does it. It just plays the game of roulette like any applet or application does. Thats all it can do. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. But I'm not...
Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 08:08:50 PM
Applet, application, whatever. It doesn't pick the right bet more often than not, does it. It just plays the game of roulette like any applet or application does. Thats all it can do. If I'm wrong, I'll admit it. But I'm not...
How would you know anything about it idiot? You won't try it.
=============================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 09, 2011, 08:22:25 PM
How would you know anything about it idiot? You won't try it.
Don't need to, I already know what it is. Somebody will report here soon that I was right.
Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 08:24:42 PM
Don't need to, I already know what it is. Somebody will report here soon that I was right.
=============================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.
wow, it won! i guess it must be used as hit-n-run. From the beginning it started winning then lost some, then
go almost even
Just did a 100 spin session test and finished at +160 units! It was as high as +230.
Quick question: I noticed a bet of 10 and a bet of 50. Is this program using a 2-level flat bet?
2nd question: Does the casino allow you to talk on your cell phone while at the tables via blue tooth in your ear? If so, I can have a partner telling me where to bet from home while i'm placing bets at the table!!! :lol: :thumbsup:
Quote from: iggiv on April 09, 2011, 09:17:55 PM
wow, it won! I guess it must be used as hit-n-run. From the beginning it started winning then lost some, then
go almost even
I'm proud of the maiden voyage of my latest contraption. Thanks for testing it.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on April 09, 2011, 09:21:55 PM
Just did a 100 spin session test and finished at +160 units! It was as high as +230.
Quick question: I noticed a bet of 10 and a bet of 50. Is this program using a 2-level flat bet?
2nd question: Does the casino allow you to talk on your cell phone while at the tables via blue tooth in your ear? If so, I can have a partner telling me where to bet from home while I'm placing bets at the table!!! :lol: :thumbsup:
Wow, that's great. I wonder what this day will tell? Yes, this algorithm uses a two level attack and fall back strategy. My casino does not allow cell phones while you play. You might get arrested trying that. Don't blame me if that happens.
Second test reached +200 in 50 spins. These were real spins from Speilbank Weisban.
Just started session #3 and only 14 spins into the session I had to stop and make a post. +450 units in 14 spins! It won all 14 of the first spins without a loss! :clapping:
I finished up session #3 at +340 units. It went up and down but there were alot of zero's holding it back. Excellent results.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on April 09, 2011, 09:33:23 PM
Second test reached +200 in 50 spins. These were real spins from Speilbank Weisban.
Imagine that. I was a tad burnt out finishing this two weeks ahead of what I thought it might take. I still don't feel like testing it any time soon. I just need a big tall Whiskey and Coke. Whoopee! I barely believe that the code won't find a spot where it won't make a decision. I went through each step really fast. It might still be putting out messages for all I know. Sorry about that if it does.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on April 09, 2011, 09:38:00 PM
Just started session #3 and only 14 spins into the session I had to stop and make a post. +450 units in 14 spins! It won all 14 of the first spins without a loss! :clapping:
I think I'll go get that drink now.
Gizmo, thanx a lot man. i am gonna test it more. but what happened on the beginning, was stunning. such a winning streak. then it started losing and getting even. we must use hit-run, i guess, not overabuse It
Quote from: iggiv on April 09, 2011, 09:51:55 PM
Gizmo, thanx a lot man. I am gonna test it more.
No no, don't test it more. Lets all just pretend its a consistent winner and we won't have to hear anymore about it.
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on April 09, 2011, 09:38:00 PM
I finished up session #3 at +340 units. It went up and down but there were alot of zero's holding it back. Excellent results.
Enough testing, log onto a online casino and go crazy. You could be a millionaire by tomorrow. No more testing, you've done more than enough.
Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 10:06:42 PM
Enough testing, log onto a online casino and go crazy. You could be a millionaire by tomorrow. No more testing, you've done more than enough.
Didn't you say it would lose? All its doing is winning.
Quote from: cheese on April 09, 2011, 10:06:42 PM
Enough testing, log onto a online casino and go crazy. You could be a millionaire by tomorrow. No more testing, you've done more than enough.
Good idea, I just may do that. Who accepts US players?
it must be used as hit-run i guess. it starts winning then loses of continue playing
Quote from: ll l ll l lll ll on April 09, 2011, 10:20:16 PM
Didn't you say it would lose? All its doing is winning.
Yes, now's the time. Quick, find a casino to play it at. Quick, before its too late....
Could you make a version with text input/output? Just a console application without gui. It would be better for testing, because all what would be needed is to redirect an input and output. I would like to see graphs it would produce. Don't bother with gui.
input format: numbers, each number on a line
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output format (gnuplot):
spin balance <another numeric values>...
#comments
1 0
2 0
# bet 50 units on low
3 50
# bet 10 units on red
4 40
# bet 30 units on dozens 1,2
5 -20
and so on
to run it just something like: tracker.exe < input.txt > output.txt
Gizmo, vaporware means we will lose it?
Gizmo, the black box started losing. Even though i hit-n-run. lost 2 times already from the beginning.
Quote from: iggiv on April 09, 2011, 11:55:01 PM
Gizmo, the black box started losing..
Say it ain't so. Keep trying, do more testing.
I testet 01.10 1998 and 02.10 1998 Hamburg spins and it peddled around -150 and +20 most of the time. I testet around 120 spins each day and both finished negative, which aint saying much because i could have just finished when i was at +20. But none of the days seemed to accumulate any gains .
Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 12:02:35 AM
Say it ain't so. Keep trying, do more testing.
I told you it would produce win streaks and loss streaks. I left out a layer for session difficulties. So far it's doing what I hoped it would. My students know how to deal with losing streaks. Or, they were told about it anyway. So don't act surprised when they come. You have to be smarter than the wood that makes up the wheel. This works pretty good for getting to this stage. I'm not done yet. I have one more layer to add to it. The global effectiveness layer.
Quote from: Kelly on April 10, 2011, 01:02:03 AM
I testet 01.10 1998 and 02.10 1998 Hamburg spins and it peddled around -150 and +20 most of the time. I testet around 120 spins each day and both finished negative, which aint saying much because I could have just finished when I was at +20. But none of the days seemed to accumulate any gains .
Great. That's a real world test. So it grinds away when things are bad. I hope I can identify that and put out the bad session warning when it happens. That may not be good enough but the person playing it has to eventually understand that this thing's goal is to seek out conditions that are identifiable. It's mostly just a device that obtains the three states. That's exactly what it should do. It will be funny to see if the Mathboyz only have bad experiences with it. You know, does this program produce curve fitted results because of user bias? That will be a real interesting observation of the members at this forum.
Quote from: mr.ore on April 09, 2011, 11:07:33 PM
Could you make a version with text input/output? Just a console application without gui. It would be better for testing, because all what would be needed is to redirect an input and output. I would like to see graphs it would produce. Don't bother with gui.output format (gnuplot):
No frigging way man! With a console driven access you could reverse engineer the algorithm. Hence the polite reference to producing it as a Black Box in the first place. Nice try. Make your own graphs. This is a proof of concept demonstration. That is all it was ever meant to be. There must be a division between seeing it work and how it actually works.
Quote from: Kelly on April 10, 2011, 01:02:03 AM
But none of the days seemed to accumulate any gains .
Very sad. I knew this would happen, I hate it when I'm right.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 01:03:55 AM
So far it's doing what I hoped it would. My students know how to deal with losing streaks. Or, they were told about it anyway.
If you hoped it would lose, you were correct. Your students better know how to deal with losing, its all they'll be doing.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 01:12:09 AM
Great. That's a real world test. So it grinds away when things are bad.
It gets ahead, it gets behind, it finishes losing right at the house edge. It works perfectly. Congrats!
Curve fitted results because of user bias ? I just put the number in the box as they appears. I just tried 03.10 1998 Hamburg and at spin 216 its down -280 but it has been below -300 at several points. Even if i shoukld have missed a spin, which is impossible to back track, there really are no gains so far. Should i cut and paste the numbers in here ? In the old days they could be verified on the net but they are gone now, but i think i have seen an upload somewhere on the net.
Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 12:02:35 AM
Say it ain't so. Keep trying, do more testing.
What a ridiculous comment. You are so invested in my downfall that I think you don't want anyone to know that I raped you. I may be toasted beyond belief but I earned this. I really don't care if you are having one of your chronic hissy fits. You are an amoeba compared to my brain power. I can dismiss you with a simple handler or a function.
function dealWithSpike
put cheese into cessPoolStinksLikeShit with happyFace & eatItToo
end dealWithSpike
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Sorry for taking up so much space. The - sign, is marking a dealer shift.
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Gizmo,
I tested 6 sessions of past real spins from the casino that I play at. American 0/00 Wheel. Bad results for me.
(126 Spins -260.) (56 Spins -140.) (64 Spins -300.) (93 spins -100.) (79 Spins -200.) (112 Spins -130.)
Could be a case of really bad luck. I'll be testing it some more. I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your efforts. Thanks.
VKM
Quote from: Kelly on April 10, 2011, 01:33:18 AM
Curve fitted results because of user bias ? I just put the number in the box as they appears. I just tried 03.10 1998 Hamburg and at spin 216 its down -280 but it has been below -300 at several points. Even if I shoukld have missed a spin, which is impossible to back track, there really are no gains so far. Should I cut and paste the numbers in here ? In the old days they could be verified on the net but they are gone now, but I think I have seen an upload somewhere on the net.
You are so happy finding a losing streak aren't you? There's no bias here. We can all see your valued integrity coming forward in a timely manner. Did you get any win streaks? Maybe you are a bad luck magnate.
Quote from: VKM on April 10, 2011, 01:44:49 AM
I tested 6 sessions of past real spins from the casino that I play at. American 0/00 Wheel. Bad results for me.
(126 Spins -260.) (56 Spins -140.) (64 Spins -300.) (93 spins -100.) (79 Spins -200.) (112 Spins -130.)
You didn't play long enough for each session. Unless you're using a progression, these results wouldn't be consistent.
Quote from: VKM on April 10, 2011, 01:44:49 AM
Gizmo,
I tested 6 sessions of past real spins from the casino that I play at. American 0/00 Wheel. Bad results for me.
(126 Spins -260.) (56 Spins -140.) (64 Spins -300.) (93 spins -100.) (79 Spins -200.) (112 Spins -130.)
Could be a case of really bad luck. I'll be testing it some more. I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your efforts. Thanks.
VKM
That's what I've been waiting for. Could you publish those spins in comma delimited formats. Those long line delimited formats are boring. Thanks
No im not happy, it would have been great if it worked. Personally i don`t give much credit to a 3 day test, in this case around 500 spins, because mathematicly it could have been a bad streak.
But compared to what you say it/you can do, it failed miserably. To be honest, most 2 doz/columns play usually fails big time for some reason. We testet one of Izak Miziayay (Letstalkwinner) systems and it really had a hard time getting in profits most of the time.
Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 01:48:35 AM
You didn't play long enough for each session. Unless you're using a progression, these results wouldn't be consistent.
Warning, forum difficulties. Cheese has nothing to do with this software and his comments are speculative based on personal conflict bias and personality dysfunction. He has no idea what is needed to make this improve. He just loves to disrupt and wreck discussion threads. It's mostly an attention issue. So be polite please but don't encourage him.
Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 01:48:35 AM
You didn't play long enough for each session. Unless you're using a progression, these results wouldn't be consistent.
Cheese,
Each of those 6 sessions were the length shown. They are what they are.
VKM
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 01:50:07 AM
That's what I've been waiting for. Could you publish those spins in comma delimited formats. Those long line delimited formats are boring. Thanks
I'm not familiar with the term "comma delimited format". Would an example be 1,2,3,4,etc.?
VKM
Quote from: Kelly on April 10, 2011, 01:53:49 AM
To be honest, most 2 doz/columns play usually fails big time for some reason. We testet one of Izak Miziayay (Letstalkwinner) systems and it really had a hard time getting in profits most of the time.
Yes, I never play any bet selection where the bet is less than the return. You're just asking for trouble. Even with a good bet selection, you can get in over you're head very quickly. If you're using a progression, you're done before you even begin.
If what we are seeing is example of clustered losing streaks then that is great. That is what I was hoping for. Cheese is clueless on this . He thinks his shit does not stink because of this failing. Only he is about as cool as any mathboyz or Snowman himself. I really don't care to discuss this. I've been excited that some here have done work and validation for me. It's all good. So I will go back to work on this and set a few more intelligent layers to it. Thanks, I took a break, got a much needed blast from my favorite libation and watched as a few people saw the green fairy as I have all along.
Quote from: VKM on April 10, 2011, 02:01:34 AM
I'm not familiar with the term "comma delimited format". Would an example be 1,2,3,4,etc.?
VKM
Yes, that's perfect. It's just commas and spins, no space bars. (empty space)
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 02:10:03 AM
I've been excited that some here have done work and validation for me. It's all good. So I will go back to work on this and set a few more intelligent layers to it.
Thats a good idea. You said the proof demo worked out great too, you said you were pleased with the outcome. The outcomes from this contraption must have you overjoyed. I know they tickle me.... These results saved me the time and trouble fiddling with it myself. Thanks, everybody.
Gizmo,
The 6 sessions that I tested.
Session 1
21,24,2,31,17,18,12,19,12,12,35,26,13,11,32,23,4,25,7,2,23,27,24,30,9,16,17,36,34,24,29,3,33,3,10,21,27,2,21,30,28,8,11,9,3,19,10,33,4,18,20,11,3,11,11,17,5,31,21,2,22,32,21,15,00,20,31,0,5,25,8,0,36,36,25,23,30,3,15,19,34,9,17,17,29,2,20,23,26,1,31,36,23,19,0,6,23,24,21,24,36,25,13,29,35,24,10,1,35,30,9,00,24,7,0,35,00,12,0,34,18,31,
26,30,10,36
Session 2
25,2,3,25,13,11,12,17,23,20,25,6,21,19,8,18,5,21,22,31,15,19,00,12,23,00,15,30,29,15,33,30,0,29,25,11,29,6,25,
15,28,17,16,26,23,24,2,6,28,17,28,3,13,2,0,27
Session 3
6,9,29,18,18,9,10,16,33,15,25,13,16,32,21,9,25,8,3,00,33,22,13,35,22,23,5,23,30,8,27,34,5,16,00,5,17,9,5,27,7,30,33,0,28,36,24,28,36,16,4,1,33,19,1,7,24,36,27,36,31,33,25,2
Session 4
1,3,36,24,29,26,13,28,4,32,35,25,24,31,16,21,14,14,26,10,25,30,5,1,22,12,17,15,25,11,18,31,00,15,23,24,31,4,34,25,32,7,1,00,13,28,28,19,00,17,36,2,16,9,3,18,28,32,00,17,13,8,8,00,30,29,7,31,23,33,27,12,16,32,17,1,31,00,34,
14,21,20,31,20,18,19,0,19,1,16,14
Session 5
24,31,15,13,36,9,14,00,25,36,36,27,15,7,00,14,35,29,00,6,17,8,34,28,28,11,33,10,16,22,15,6,19,36,2,33,27,18,14,6,8,2,20,19,24,23,9,1,27,9,5,7,26,33,32,31,21,12,27,19,10,22,5,13,22,27,2,21,6,7,20,26
Session 6
3,24,2,5,20,34,15,34,00,30,7,33,19,20,10,9,29,30,6,29,2,26,1,18,0,22,27,19,26,31,34,18,2,8,32,19,25,12,33,15,20,
33,17,32,29,1,16,29,2,29,20,18,34,19,24,00,21,21,28,29,18,24,21,24,16,34,00,24,13,29,25,23,28,29,35,32,33,0,
22,1,9,24,7,3,21,21,21,17,3,6,28,35,5,32,32,29,7,1,8,14,29,18,3,17,18,26,15,30,16,4,3,35
VKM
By the way that's not how I typed the numbers in. They are in the right order but I didn't type them in the long rows.
Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 02:17:08 AM
Thats a good idea. You said the proof demo worked out great too, you said you were pleased with the outcome. The outcomes from this contraption must have you overjoyed. I know they tickle me.... These results saved me the time and trouble fiddling with it myself. Thanks, everybody.
Yes, that fits you perfectly. You are attracted to six straight losses in a row. It's almost like a moth to a flame for you. Remember, you think your perfection has no downside to it. You are Father Roulette, the Zen master that deserves admiration. You are far too animated for any typical cartoon character. You are Super Spike. What a small contribution you actually offer to anyone. I earned the right to show what I know, You earned the right to be nothing. All you do is kill threads.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 03:03:36 AM
Yes, that fits you perfectly. You are attracted to six straight losses in a row.
You said you were pleased at that outcome, go and read it. So are you pleased or aren't you, make up your mind. I'm pleased by it and this contraption outcome, I'm very easy to please.
Quote from: VKM on April 10, 2011, 02:58:57 AM
Gizmo,
The 6 sessions that I tested.
Thank you for all this work. It's invaluable to me. Imagine that, six huge losses in a row. It's like a perfect storm. I could have played hundreds of sessions to find this sequence of events.
Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 03:08:58 AM
You said you were pleased at that outcome, go and read it. So are you pleased or aren't you, make up your mind. I'm pleased by it and this contraption outcome, I'm very easy to please.
Thread Killer!
======================================================
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Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 03:10:02 AM
Thank you for all this work. It's invaluable to me. Imagine that, six huge losses in a row. It's like a perfect storm. I could have played hundreds of sessions to find this sequence of events.
HUH? Losing six short sessions is well within the bounderies of probability, its not unusual in the least. Losing 15 in a row, that would be pushing it. Winning six in a row is just as likely.
Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 03:18:34 AM
HUH? Losing six short sessions is well within the bounderies of probability, its not unusual in the least. Losing 15 in a row, that would be pushing it. Winning six in a row is just as likely.
Thread Killer!
======================================================
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Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 03:20:07 AM
Thread Killer!
Anybody that questions you or disagree's with you is a thread killer. You don't want a discussion, you want a pulpit where you can preach.
You want a real test, do 6 500 spin sessions and look at the results.
Quote from: cheese on April 10, 2011, 03:24:42 AM
You want a real test, do 6 500 spin sessions and look at the results.
This is not a discussion. It's just another command from you. All you do is filibuster the threads like an internet stalker.
Thread Killer!
======================================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.
Dear Spike,
This is not a discussion. It's just another command from you. All you do is filibuster the threads like an internet stalker.
Thread Killer!
======================================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
This is a self extracting archive. It contains a simple installation program. It will place a shortcut icon on your desktop. It comes with an un-installer in your programs folder.
Dear Spike,
This is not a discussion. It's just another command from you. All you do is filibuster the threads like an internet stalker.
Thread Killer!
======================================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
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Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 03:32:16 AM
Dear Spike,
This is not a discussion.
OK, I'll download it and post the results of 6 500 spin tests.
This software does not contain bad session avoidance. So knock yourself out. It has already produced the exact results I hoped it would. That should please you too. You think that this testing is the final word of what's going on here. I hope you get medical treatment that reaches at least this highest expectation. You deserve at least that much concern in your final days.
======================================================
This is an untested Beta. It might have bugs. It has never locked up. There are no memory leaks. Please report feature requests. It's intentionally minimal.
nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe (nolinks://home.earthlink.net/~gizmotron/getbetaGBB.exe)
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Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 03:47:57 AM
This software does not contain bad session avoidance. So knock yourself out.
I changed my mind already. Its too much work for no apparent reason.
Cheese - "I changed my mind already. Its too much work for no apparent reason."
First time you acted smart all day.
QuoteThis software does not contain bad session avoidance. So knock yourself out.
Arhh gizmo......thats a bit far fetched, whats the point then ?
The results so far just fluctates around expectation with a very bolded arrow pointing downwards. One could have obtained the same results by just betting 1 and 2 dozen. If that was your goal, then why make a black box with a hidden bet selection ? Im pretty sure your algorithm is designed to pick the best bets according to your beliefs. Any system goes in plus if there is a bad session detector that kicks in before this happens. The problem is, you don`t know when that is gonna happen.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 01:21:00 AM
No frigging way man! With a console driven access you could reverse engineer the algorithm. Hence the polite reference to producing it as a Black Box in the first place. Nice try. Make your own graphs. This is a proof of concept demonstration. That is all it was ever meant to be. There must be a division between seeing it work and how it actually works.
Console driven black box is still console driven blackbox. It would not be blackbox if you provided us with source code. We need a graph with enough spins where we could prove that your bet selection can always select or create winning streaks without too long period of choppy state. It is what you claim, right? That it would catch streaks, always. Then you cannot avoid losing streaks. If you can ensure winning streaks then positive progression would be way to go.
Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 04:39:47 AM
Console driven black box is still console driven blackbox. It would not be blackbox if you provided us with source code. We need a graph with enough spins where we could prove that your bet selection can always select or create winning streaks without too long period of choppy state. It is what you claim, right? That it would catch streaks, always. Then you cannot avoid losing streaks. If you can ensure winning streaks then positive progression would be way to go.
Well this won't be console driven.
I'm going to add sequence testing. That will allow comma delimited tests without having to enter each spin one at a time. There's far too much tedium in all this slow testing.
Quote from: Kelly on April 10, 2011, 04:21:39 AM
Arhh gizmo......thats a bit far fetched, whats the point then ?
The results so far just fluctates around expectation with a very bolded arrow pointing downwards. One could have obtained the same results by just betting 1 and 2 dozen. If that was your goal, then why make a black box with a hidden bet selection ? Im pretty sure your algorithm is designed to pick the best bets according to your beliefs. Any system goes in plus if there is a bad session detector that kicks in before this happens. The problem is, you don`t know when that is gonna happen.
I do too. I'm surprised at that you can't think with common sense. It's so easy that I can instruct the software to do it. Do you doubt that?
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 04:41:42 AM
Well this won't be console driven.
I'm going to add sequence testing. That will allow comma delimited tests without having to enter each spin one at a time. There's far too much tedium in all this slow testing.
You should not bother with this feature, because if user enter a whole sequence, your software could analyze it and curve fit results. With console you enter number to standard input, and immediately you see a decision on standard output, so no potential cheating is possible. To make your tool credible, you should rather avoid this possibility.
Rather than comma delimited sequence I would recommend one number per line, there are a lot of spins in this format. You might also just use white space as a delimiter, then any space, tab or newline would be delimiter.
Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 05:55:36 AM
You should not bother with this feature, because if user enter a whole sequence, your software could analyze it and curve fit results. With console you enter number to standard input, and immediately you see a decision on standard output, so no potential cheating is possible. To make your tool credible, you should rather avoid this possibility.
Rather than comma delimited sequence I would recommend one number per line, there are a lot of spins in this format. You might also just use white space as a delimiter, then any space, tab or newline would be delimiter.
Dude, you are hot! Another programmer to go up against Gizmo and his baloneyfest. 'Curve fit results' indeed. This is very easy to do and is the downfall of most system innovaters. Even me. I have to be very strict in my testing to avoid curve fitting, its a minefield, to say the least. And its hurts nobody but yourself..
Well, I have made a simple bot to test gizmo's box. I have found very nice scripting environment: nolinks://sikuli.org/ (nolinks://sikuli.org/)
It allows mixing python code with image recognition for GUI automation. It would be actually very nice for making casino bots, everything is already there, just watch that demo. Combination of easy IDE with powerful python programming language makes it very useful tool. Also works in Mac and most importantly in Linux, so it is obvious choice for me.
So I have automated inserting spins into gizmo's box. While it is still slow, I can run it overnight. The application could be hacked with windows functions to put data there directly and quickly, but I do not want to crosscompile windows application just for that, too much hassle and coding not worth it.
Not much spins have been tested, I will try to improve speed somehow, but tomorrow we might see some good graphs and other info on his method.
I add image of my application and first short results, they mean nothing though, only few spins.
Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 08:35:57 AM
I will try to improve speed somehow, but tomorrow we might see some good graphs
Uh oh... Keep tuned to this channel... :-\
I am going to play Dungeons&Dragons right now, so I will run some spins while I am not at computer. Now we schall see if it can catch streaks >:D, or fails horribly :diablo:.
Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 05:55:36 AM
You should not bother with this feature, because if user enter a whole sequence, your software could analyze it and curve fit results. With console you enter number to standard input, and immediately you see a decision on standard output, so no potential cheating is possible. To make your tool credible, you should rather avoid this possibility.
You are right of course. I was just thinking that honest individuals might like quick and easy tests. It never occurred to me to open that door to curve fitting the process. I do like your bot solution though. That worked. I might try to add using a lock screen function for after the spin button click and the resulting displayed results where it would unlock the screen. That might or might not speed up your auto-bot a little. Thanks for running these tests.
Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 08:52:16 AM
I am going to play Dungeons&Dragons right now, so I will run some spins while I am not at computer. Now we schall see if it can catch streaks >:D, or fails horribly :diablo:.
It should capture everything that randomness delivers. There must be the three states. Each session should produce some or all of these conditions. That is what you should eventually discover. There is no strategic method in it yet to avoid losing. And it keeps going, at least playing minimum sized bets. What I'm wondering is, does it grind away when bad conditions exist. Like those 6 sessions that all lost all bunched together like that. Those sequences could have been played until a huge loss was discovered in each session for instance. They might not be real spins that occurred at some time and where published at some casinos on-line resource. They could have been entered intentionally to lose. They could be completely legitimate too. I'd like to see those spins, where they originated from. (I looked back at them. They are from an American casino, no on-line gambling there. They must be personally recorded spins.)
Six losing sessions all in a row. That's clear cut evidence of the global effect. If I can see it then I can defend against it with a strategy.
Gizmo,
A little info on the 6 sessions of spins.
I don't record numbers very often but I had kept those. They were recorded at the same casino, same wheel, but at different times over a period of several months. There were no gaps in the individual session number streams. The sessions are shown in the correct order that they were recorded.
VKM
Quote from: VKM on April 10, 2011, 01:29:18 PM
I don't record numbers very often but I had kept those. They were recorded at the same casino, same wheel, but at different times over a period of several months. There were no gaps in the individual session number streams. The sessions are shown in the correct order that they were recorded.
They are great. It might have taken me weeks to find this losing streak. I can use it to create a transitional shift option that attempts to reverse against the trend. I do have a wLwL list but I only look back a few spins. Like I've said. I need to add a loss avoidance level to it. I built one a few years ago to avoid the swarms of zeros on the American wheels. So far things actually look pretty good. This will be a more difficult week with it. Maybe this will take three weeks after all.
So I added a repeat function from a comma delimited list, just for my testing:
VKM, here are the win / loss totals for each spin. Also a list of the "wL's" for each session.
Yours: (-260) (-140) (-300) (-100) (-200) (-130)
Mine: (-210) (-130) (+220) (-120) (-130) (-110)
my repeat function might have not placed the very last bet. So the last spin might not have been counted. That would explain the discrepancy between these results. But all the steps are accurate.
Session 1
21,24,2,31,17,18,12,19,12,12,35,26,13,11,32,23,4,25,7,2,23,27,24,30,9,16,17,36,34,24,29,3,33,
3,10,21,27,2,21,30,28,8,11,9,3,19,10,33,4,18,20,11,3,11,11,17,5,31,21,2,22,32,21,15,00,20,31,
0,5,25,8,0,36,36,25,23,30,3,15,19,34,9,17,17,29,2,20,23,26,1,31,36,23,19,0,6,23,24,21,24,36,
25,13,29,35,24,10,1,35,30,9,00,24,7,0,35,00,12,0,34,18,31,26,30,10,36,
0, -10, 0, 10, 20, 0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 20, 0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 20, 0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60, 70, 50, 60,
40, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110, 90, 100, 110, 90, 100, 80, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 80, 60, 50, 30,
10, -10, 0, -20, -10, 0, -20, -10, -30, -20, -40, -30, -50, -70, -60, -50, -40, -60, -80, -100, -120,
-110, -100, -120, -110, -100, -90, -110, -130, -120, -140, -130, -120, -140, -160, -150, -140,
-130, -120, -110, -130, -150, -140, -130, -120, -140, -130, -120, -140, -160, -180, -200, -190,
-210, -200, -220, -210, -220, -210, -200, -210, -220, -210,
LnolinksLnolinkswLLnolinkswLLnolinksnolinkswLwLnolinksnolinkswLwwLwLLnolinkswLLLLLLwLwwLwLwLwLL
nolinksLLLLwwLnolinksLLwLwwLLnolinkswwLLnolinksLwwLLLLwLwLwLwwLLwL
Session 2
25,2,3,25,13,11,12,17,23,20,25,6,21,19,8,18,5,21,22,31,15,19,00,12,23,00,15,30,29,15,33,30,
0,29,25,11,29,6,25,15,28,17,16,26,23,24,2,6,28,17,28,3,13,2,0,27
0, 10, 20, 0, -10, 0, 10, 20, 0, 10, 20, 0, -20, -10, -30, -20, -10, 0, 10, 20, 30, -70, -60, -80, -100,
-90, -110, -100, -120, -110, -120, -130, -140, -130, -120, -140, -160, -150, -140, -160, -150, -140,
-130,
wwLLnolinksLwwLLwLnolinksnolinksLwLLwLwLwLLLwwLLwwLnolinksL
Session 3
6,9,29,18,18,9,10,16,33,15,25,13,16,32,21,9,25,8,3,00,33,22,13,35,22,23,5,23,30,8,27,34,5,
16,00,5,17,9,5,27,7,30,33,0,28,36,24,28,36,16,4,1,33,19,1,7,24,36,27,36,31,33,25,2,
0, 10, -10, 0, -20, -10, -30, -20, -40, -30, -50, -40, -60, -50, -70, -60, -50, -40, -60, -80, -100,
-120, -110, -130, -120, -140, -130, -150, -170, -160, -150, -170, -190, -210, -200, -220, -240,
-230, -220, -210, -200, -190, -180, -130, -80, -30, 20, 70, 120, 170, 220,
wLwLwLwLwLwLwLnolinksLLLLwLwLwLLwwLLLwLLnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinksnolinks
Session 4
1,3,36,24,29,26,13,28,4,32,35,25,24,31,16,21,14,14,26,10,25,30,5,1,22,12,17,15,25,11,18,31,
00,15,23,24,31,4,34,25,32,7,1,00,13,28,28,19,00,17,36,2,16,9,3,18,28,32,00,17,13,8,8,00,30,
29,7,31,23,33,27,12,16,32,17,1,31,00,34,14,21,20,31,20,18,19,0,19,1,16,14,
0, -100, -90, -80, -100, -90, -80, -70, -90, -110, -100, -90, -80, -70, -90, -80, -70, -60, -80, -70,
-60, -80, -70, -80, -90, -110, -100, -90, -80, -70, -60, -80, -100, -90, -80, -70, -60, -80, -70, -90,
-80, -70, -60, -80, -70, -90, -80, -100, -90, -110, -100, -90, -110, -100, -90, -80, -70, -60, -50,
-70, -60, -70, -60, -80, -70, -60, -80, -70, -90, -110, -100, -90, -80, -100, -90, -110, -100, -120,
LwwLnolinksLLnolinkswLnolinksLwwLwLLLnolinkswwLLnolinkswLwLnolinksLwLwLwLwwLnolinksnolinksLwLwL
wwLwLLnolinksLwLwLw
Session 5
24,31,15,13,36,9,14,00,25,36,36,27,15,7,00,14,35,29,00,6,17,8,34,28,28,11,33,10,16,22,15,6,
19,36,2,33,27,18,14,6,8,2,20,19,24,23,9,1,27,9,5,7,26,33,32,31,21,12,27,19,10,22,5,13,22,27,
2,21,6,7,20,26,
0, 10, 20, 0, -20, -10, 0, -20, -10, -30, -20, -10, -30, -20, -40, -30, -20, -10, -30, -50, -70, -60,
-50, -70, -90, -110, -100, -120, -110, -130, -120, -110, -130, -120, -110, -100, -90, -110, -130,
-120, -110, -130, -140, -130, -120, -140, -130, -120, -110, -130, -120, -110, -130, -120, -110,
-130, -120, -110, -130,
wwLLwwLwLwwLwLnolinksLLLwwLLLwLwLwwLnolinkswLLwwLLwwLnolinksLwwLwwLwwLL
Session 6
3,24,2,5,20,34,15,34,00,30,7,33,19,20,10,9,29,30,6,29,2,26,1,18,0,22,27,19,26,31,34,18,2,8,32,
19,25,12,33,15,20,33,17,32,29,1,16,29,2,29,20,18,34,19,24,00,21,21,28,29,18,24,21,24,16,34,
00,24,13,29,25,23,28,29,35,32,33,0,22,1,9,24,7,3,21,21,21,17,3,6,28,35,5,32,32,29,7,1,8,14,29,
18,3,17,18,26,15,30,16,4,3,35,
0, 10, 20, 0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 20, 0, 10, 20, 0, -20, -40, -30, -20, -10, 0, 10, 20, -80, -100, -90, -80,
-70, -60, -80, -70, -60, -80, -70, -90, -110, -130, -140, -130, -120, -110, -100, -120, -110, -100, -90,
-110, -100, -90, -80, -70, -60, -50, 0, 50, 100, 150, 50, 60, 70, 50, 60, 70, 80, 90, 100, 110, 10, -10,
0, -20, -30, -50, -40, -30, -50, -40, -30, -50, -40, -30, -50, -70, -90, -80, -70, -60, -50, -40, -30, 20, 70,
-30, -50, -70, -90, -100, -90, -80, -100, -120, -110,
wwLnolinkswLLwwLLLnolinksnolinksLLnolinkswLwwLwLLLLnolinkswLnolinksLnolinksnolinksnolinkswLwwLnolinksnolinks
LLwLLLwwLwwLwwLLLnolinksnolinkswwLLLLLwwLLwL
So there is a graph of 1024 spins from Wiesbaden. Upward spikes are almost always only two spins long, after a lower bet a higher bet is made. If after such a win system bet lower bet size unit, I think it could have won over those spins. Money management is not well adapted to this bet selection, at least in this case. To make it a winner, maybe waiting for virtual loss of some size and then betting would have helped in those spins. I must stress that 1024 spins means absolutely nothing, it is not enough spins to see wheter a method is good or bad. If I could I would run it over 100000 placed bets, and if it won, I would test it for 1000000 placed bets to test wheter it is semi-holy grail. Gizmo, with a good progression your method might be quite good - you already use positive progression, so just make it better.
QuoteI might try to add using a lock screen function for after the spin button click and the resulting displayed results where it would unlock the screen.
Rather than that, be more cooperative. There are tools which can change window class settings of a particular application, so it would only annoy potential hacker(or give him a fun overcaming another obstacle). There would not be a lot of persons who would want to run a bot over your blackbox just to find your method's weaknesses, lol. It is already too slow, only 1000 spins over quite a long period of time, not good for testing. I have seen random over millions of spins, so I think I understand a little about what it can do. I cannot run your blackbox over millions of spins, it is not worth my time, so I probably won't do it, only if I were REALLY bored and found a way how to do that quickly.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 03:57:44 PM
So I added a repeat function from a comma delimited list, just for my testing:
VKM, here are the win / loss totals for each spin. Also a list of the "wL's" for each session.
Yours: (-260) (-140) (-300) (-100) (-200) (-130)
Mine: (-210) (-130) (+220) (-120) (-130) (-110)
my repeat function might have not placed the very last bet. So the last spin might not have been counted. That would explain the discrepancy between these results. But all the steps are accurate.
Gizmo,
I'll run these session spins again later this evening to double check whether I goofed up. I'll post the results tonight.
VKM
Quote from: VKM on April 10, 2011, 05:18:36 PM
I'll run these session spins again later this evening to double check whether I goofed up. I'll post the results tonight.
Don't waste your time. You might want to look at that third session though. I'm more interested in those wL's lists. I can do something with those. I will do something with those.
Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 05:17:36 PM
Rather than that, be more cooperative.
Could you send me those same 1024 spins. I'll format them for you if they aren't comma delimited.
I'll run them through my repeater. It will run them in under ten seconds.
Thanks
Here you go. Those spins are already on another forum, maybe even somewhere there, I am not sure. They should be live spins from Wiesbaden connected into one large continous file of spins.
tr -s '\r\n' ',' < AllWSpinsRet.txt | sed -e 's/,$/\n/' > AllWSpinsRetComma.txt
Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 05:39:42 PM
Here you go. Those spins are already on another forum, maybe even somewhere there, I am not sure. They should be live spins from Wiesbaden connected into one large continous file of spins.
How many spins are these? There must be millions of them.
Well I took the first 1024 and ran them in about ten seconds:
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Can you guess why the second group of win losses is shorter than the first group? The "wL's" lists are identical.
There are 700000 spins. Those first 1024 are the same as I tested, your results are different now from test with the beta tracker though. Ten seconds for 1024 spins, there must be a lot of computations in your code going ;)
Graph is similar, but you improved in the beginning ;)
Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 06:40:57 PM
Graph is similar, but you improved in the beginning ;)
I haven't put in a cheese / Spike requirement to quit the session at a 5 to 7 unit win. With these bets that would be 50 to 70. I'll look back at all those lost session to see if I would have won.
Quote from: mr.ore on April 10, 2011, 06:30:35 PM
Ten seconds for 1024 spins, there must be a lot of computations in your code going ;)
19 seconds with the screen refresh after each spin.
With the screen locked it took 44/60 of a second.
Dang, I really hate admitting this but I've seen something in the "wL's" lists. It occurred to me that cheese / Spike is correct about flat betting. At least as far as this current state of this sim goes that is. I still haven't done anything about avoiding losses yet. But this is cool. The second run of the same the 1024 spin test above has a lower loss rate and it also reaches the win goal. This might need a new run on those first six sessions from further above. Thanks Cheese.
OK, session one reaches the Cheese threshold of 5 to 7:
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Session two does not:
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session three does not:
0, 10, -10, 0, -20, -10, -30, -20, -40, -30, -50, -40, -60, -50, -70, -60, -50, -40, -60, -80, -100, -120, -110, -130, -120, -140, -130, -150, -170, -160, -150, -170, -190, -210, -200, -220, -240, -230, -220, -210, -200, -190, -180, -170, -160, -150, -140, -130, -120, -110, -100, -90,
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Session four does not:
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Session five does not:
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Session six does:
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Gizmo,
Session 3:
My first results = (-300)
Your results = (+220)
My Double Check of Session 3:
My Double Check results = (+230)
Could there have been a glitch in my first results? I think I noticed in the Double Check that the Higher Bet Level
was being used towards the end of the session. I don't know what causes the Higher Bet Level to kick in. Is it possible that a mistake on my part or a glitch caused it to not kick in when I originally ran the session spins?
VKM
Quote from: VKM on April 10, 2011, 10:53:21 PM
Gizmo,
Session 3:
My first results = (-300)
Your results = (+220)
My Double Check of Session 3:
My Double Check results = (+230)
Could there have been a glitch in my first results? I think I noticed in the Double Check that the Higher Bet Level
was being used toward the end of the session. I don't know what causes the Higher Bet Level to kick in. Is it possible that a mistake on my part or a glitch caused it to not kick in when I originally ran the session spins?
VKM
If you look at the "wL's" list you will see a huge win streak is at the end. All I know is that you got good results the second time. Could it have been a different list of spins?
This is interesting. Every example so far has won one unit. The most it ever lost was two units before winning that one unit. A low threshold and flat betting might be a very powerful method with this.
It was for sure the same group of spins. I'm happy that the mistake has been corrected. Thanks for pointing it out to me. The cause of my mistake remains a mystery to me.
I hope that it didn't cause you any problems or extra work. Thanks again for all of your effort.
VKM
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 10, 2011, 11:13:19 PM
A low threshold and flat betting might be a very powerful method with this.
Flat bet and get out when your ahead. Unless you never are ahead. Don't you just hate when that happens?
VKM, it was no trouble at all. I built an automated repeat function that works through a list of comma delimited spins that have no empty space. Like this 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,22,23,24,25 etc...
So what if a 1 unit win and a hit and run technique is good enough? What say you?
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 11, 2011, 12:11:26 AM
So what if a 1 unit win and a hit and run technique is good enough? What say you?
Works great. Unless you're never 1 unit ahead. Or have a big drawdown and go into the hole. You have to have a stop limit, if you don't you could lose you whole BR trying to win 1 unit. No matter how good your system, there are always sequences from hell that will wipe you out. Thats why I don't use systems.
Quote from: cheese on April 11, 2011, 12:05:35 AM
Flat bet and get out when your ahead. Unless you never are ahead. Don't you just hate when that happens?
What's far more interesting is that there are always more single "wL's" losses than there are doubles losses and beyond. And there are tons of wins between the single losses. I can use that too. A machine can out perform a tired human.
Quote from: cheese on April 11, 2011, 12:26:19 AM
Works great. Unless you're never 1 unit ahead. Or have a big draw down and go into the hole. You have to have a stop limit, if you don't you could lose you whole BR trying to win 1 unit. No matter how good your system, there are always sequences from hell that will wipe you out. Thats why I don't use systems.
I agree somewhat. In every case there were losses before that 1 unit win. In every case the downside was no more than 2 units. But I really think that more downside is needed, but not much more. I can deal with the double loss, LL. The system can wait until the LLL's ends. It's somewhat rare that they travel in packs. Also, a percentage of L's to "w" can be tracked for a percentage rate and a trending rate. It's possible to see zones of absence L's or at least zones of minimal L's.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 11, 2011, 12:53:41 AM
What's far more interesting is that there are always more single "wL's" losses than there are doubles losses and beyond. And there are tons of wins between the single losses. I can use that too. A machine can out perform a tired human.
No, whats interesting is you haven't even begun testing yet. There are dozens of systems that do well on the first 50K and then go in the toilet permanently. Kelly saw one that went a million spins, I believe.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 11, 2011, 01:05:07 AM
I agree somewhat. In every case there were losses before that 1 unit win..
The more you test it, the more you'll sequences that will kill you dead in the casino. Where you'll lose 20 or 30 units and stop. Then next time you go, you're 30 units down. So you spend the next sessions trying to win it back, and it happens again. Thats what systems do, they can't be ready for every sequence. Thats why they'll never work. You know all of this, why are you pretending you don't.
Quote from: cheese on April 11, 2011, 01:10:39 AM
No, whats interesting is you haven't even begun testing yet. There are dozens of systems that do well on the first 50K and then go in the toilet permanently. Kelly saw one that went a million spins, I believe.
This thing stands the best chance of winning by ending all sessions very quickly. John Patrick preaches three and out for losses. I'm using real samples of real spins. So far these charts have the win point very soon after the betting starts. I can check the conditions for favorably before entering the real bets. I know how to do this on my own. It's another thing getting a machine to look before it leaps.
Quote from: cheese on April 11, 2011, 01:16:54 AM
The more you test it, the more you'll sequences that will kill you dead in the casino. Where you'll lose 20 or 30 units and stop. Then next time you go, you're 30 units down. So you spend the next sessions trying to win it back, and it happens again. Thats what systems do, they can't be ready for every sequence. Thats why they'll never work. You know all of this, why are you pretending you don't.
I have bad sequences factored in. I have not added a feature for them to the program yet. This first phase was bet no matter what the conditions are. I'm going to add a look before you leap level to it. One thing that is possible to see is when a bad patch changes to a good patch. It's not 100% accurate but you can see good and bad conditions now in my "wL's" lists. This is a computer program. It can stop at two or three units down. When a sequence doesn't work then it means that the perfect sequence to wreck it just started. It's time to find a better segment of conditions. It's either that or the method for bet selection must change to what would currently work.
Oh my goodness, I just had an epiphany. I'm going to re write the software. I've never charted this at a real casino before. I see a connection that is right in front of my face. Hm... It's so simple too. A computer can do this with ease. I'm giving up on two level betting forever.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 11, 2011, 01:32:57 AM
I have bad sequences factored in.
I have a perpetual motion machine. It works great, until it stops and I have to get it going again.
Quote from: cheese on April 11, 2011, 01:44:00 AM
I have a perpetual motion machine. It works great, until it stops and I have to get it going again.
I know you do. You can't stop posting. Blah, blah, blah is your very best too.
Oh, this is very interesting. I expected to see it go downhill like before.
0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 10, 20, 20, 30, 40, 40, 40, 40, 40, 50, 60, 60, 50, 40, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50, 50, 60, 70, 80, 80, 90, 100, 110, 110, 110, 110, 120, 130, 140, 140, 140, 140, 140, 150, 150, 150, 150, 150, 150, 160, 170, 170, 170, 170, 170, 170, 170, 170, 150, 160, 170, 160, 170, 180, 190, 200, 210, 220, 200, 210, 220, 210, 220, 230, 240, 250, 230, 240, 250, 260, 270, 280, 260, 270, 280, 290, 270, 250, 260, 270, 280, 290, 270, 250, 260, 270, 250, 230, 240, 250, 260, 240, 250, 230, 240, 250, 250, 250, 250, 260, 260, 270, 280, 280, 280, 280, 290, 300, 300, 310, 320, 330, 340, 350, 360, 370, 380, 390, 400, 410, 390, 400, 390, 400, 410, 420, 430, 410, 420, 430, 440, 450, 460, 470,
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Look what it did with session three form before:
0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 10, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20,
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I better run a spin by spin test one at a time. I want to see it actually do this again. It's too soon to say wow. I must have made some kind of mistake. A one spin at a time test will tell. Cheese will insist that this is a baloney festival.
OK, here is a test session, step by step:
0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 10, 20, 20, 20, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30, 30,
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 10
Place a bet of 10 on Column 1
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<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
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<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Column 1
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
Here is another test:
session two:
25,2,3,25,13,11,12,17,23,20,25,6,21,19,8,18,5,21,22,31,15,19,00,12,23,00,15,30,29,15,33,30,0,29,25,11,29,6,25,15,28,17,16,26,23,24,2,6,28,17,28,3,13,2,0,27,
0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 10, 20, 10, 20, 10, 20, 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 50, 30, 10, 20, 30, 10, 20, 30, 40,
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The spin was - 25
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The spin was - 2
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The spin was - 3
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The spin was - 25
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The spin was - 13
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The spin was - 11
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The spin was - 12
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The spin was - 17
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The spin was - 23
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The spin was - 20
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The spin was - 25
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The spin was - 6
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
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The spin was - 21
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Even
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The spin was - 19
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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The spin was - 8
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Low 18
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The spin was - 18
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
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The spin was - 5
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
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The spin was - 21
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
The spin was - 22
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
The spin was - 31
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
The spin was - 15
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
The spin was - 19
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
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The spin was - 00
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
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The spin was - 12
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
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The spin was - 23
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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The spin was - 00
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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The spin was - 15
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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The spin was - 30
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
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The spin was - 29
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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The spin was - 15
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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The spin was - 33
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
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The spin was - 30
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 10 on Column 1
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The spin was - 0
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 10 on Column 1
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The spin was - 29
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 10 on Column 1
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The spin was - 25
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 10
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
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The spin was - 11
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Low 18
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The spin was - 29
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 10
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
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The spin was - 6
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Low 18
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The spin was - 25
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 10
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
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The spin was - 15
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Low 18
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The spin was - 28
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 10
Place a bet of 10 on Low 18
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The spin was - 17
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Low 18
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The spin was - 16
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on High 18
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The spin was - 26
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 40
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
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The spin was - 23
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 50
Place a bet of 10 on Column 1
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The spin was - 24
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 50
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
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The spin was - 2
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
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The spin was - 6
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 10
Place a bet of 10 on Column 1
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
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The spin was - 28
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Column 1
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
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The spin was - 17
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
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The spin was - 28
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 10
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
The spin was - 3
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
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The spin was - 13
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
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The spin was - 2
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 40
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
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The spin was - 0
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin
Here's session four:
1,3,36,24,29,26,13,28,4,32,35,25,24,31,16,21,14,14,26,10,25,30,5,1,22,12,17,15,25,11,18,31,00,15,23,24,31,4,34,25,32,7,1,00,13,28,28,19,00,17,36,2,16,9,3,18,28,32,00,17,13,8,8,00,30,29,7,31,23,33,27,12,16,32,17,1,31,00,34,14,21,20,31,20,18,19,0,19,1,16,14,
0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 10, 20, 30, 10, 20, 0, 10, 20, 30, 10, 20, 0, 10, -10, 0, -20, -10, 0, -20, -10, 0, 10, 20, 30, 40, 20, 30, 20, 30, 10, 20, 30, 10, 20, 0, -20, -10, 0, 10, -10, 0, 0, 10, 20,
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Session 5:
24,31,15,13,36,9,14,00,25,36,36,27,15,7,00,14,35,29,00,6,17,8,34,28,28,11,33,10,16,22,15,6,19,36,2,33,27,18,14,6,8,2,20,19,24,23,9,1,27,9,5,7,26,33,32,31,21,12,27,19,10,22,5,13,22,27,2,21,6,7,20,26,
0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, -20, -40, -60, -50, -70, -60, -80, -80, -80, -70, -70, -70, -70, -70, -70, -70, -70, -70, -70, -70, -60, -50, -40, -40, -40, -30, -20, -30, -20, -10, -10, -10, 0, 0, 0, 10,
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Session six:
3,24,2,5,20,34,15,34,00,30,7,33,19,20,10,9,29,30,6,29,2,26,1,18,0,22,27,19,26,31,34,18,2,8,32,19,25,12,33,15,20,33,17,32,29,1,16,29,2,29,20,18,34,19,24,00,21,21,28,29,18,24,21,24,16,34,00,24,13,29,25,23,28,29,35,32,33,0,22,1,9,24,7,3,21,21,21,17,3,6,28,35,5,32,32,29,7,1,8,14,29,18,3,17,18,26,15,30,16,4,3,35,
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Only session one loses. It must contain the perfect sequence that breaks all the changing and virtual bets.
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I guess it's time to package and deliver a new beta version 1.1. That will take a while. It looks like I have it working pretty good.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 11, 2011, 07:44:31 PM
I guess it's time to package and deliver a new beta version 1.1. That will take a while. It looks like I have it working pretty good.
If you be real quiet, you can notice that nobody but you and me and once in awhile, a third person, is saying anything in this thread. Nobody cares, nobody believes, nobody is wasting their time, until you PROVE all of this nonsense lets you place the next bet correctly.
We're waiting..
Gizmo,
I was looking at your post #146 where you show session 2.
Going thru it spin by spin after bets are being made there are errors in the results. Check that post.
It's not adding properly. Some of the single dozen bets of 10 are only increasing the total by 10. And
some of the losses are not taking away from the running total.
VKM
Also after a 10 bet on Dozen 3, the next spin was 23 and it gave a win.
Quote from: VKM on April 11, 2011, 08:07:08 PM
Gizmo,
I was looking at your post #146 where you show session 2.
Going thru it spin by spin after bets are being made there are errors in the results. Check that post.
It's not adding properly. Some of the single dozen bets of 10 are only increasing the total by 10. And
some of the losses are not taking away from the running total.
VKM
Also after a 10 bet on Dozen 3, the next spin was 23 and it gave a win.
It played it differently after I fixed it. It lost badly.
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The spin was - 25
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 1
The spin was - 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 2
The spin was - 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 3
The spin was - 25
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 4
The spin was - 13
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 5
The spin was - 11
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 6
The spin was - 12
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 7
The spin was - 17
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 8
The spin was - 23
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 9
The spin was - 20
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 10
The spin was - 25
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 11
The spin was - 6
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 12
The spin was - 21
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Odd
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 13
The spin was - 19
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 14
The spin was - 8
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on High 18
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 15
The spin was - 18
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 16
The spin was - 5
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 17
The spin was - 21
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 18
The spin was - 22
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 19
The spin was - 31
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 20
The spin was - 15
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 21
The spin was - 19
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 22
The spin was - 00
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 23
The spin was - 12
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 24
The spin was - 23
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 25
The spin was - 00
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 26
The spin was - 15
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 27
The spin was - 30
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 28
The spin was - 29
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 29
The spin was - 15
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 30
The spin was - 33
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 31
The spin was - 30
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 32
The spin was - 0
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -20
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 33
The spin was - 29
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -10
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 34
The spin was - 25
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 35
The spin was - 11
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -50
Place a bet of 10 on High 18
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 36
The spin was - 29
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -40
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 37
The spin was - 6
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -60
Place a bet of 10 on High 18
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 38
The spin was - 25
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -50
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 39
The spin was - 15
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 10 on High 18
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 40
The spin was - 28
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -60
Place a bet of 10 on High 18
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 41
The spin was - 17
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 10 on High 18
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 42
The spin was - 16
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -80
Place a bet of 10 on Low 18
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 43
The spin was - 26
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -90
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 1
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 44
The spin was - 23
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -80
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
Place a bet of 10 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 45
The spin was - 24
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 46
The spin was - 2
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 47
The spin was - 6
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 48
The spin was - 28
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 49
The spin was - 17
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 50
The spin was - 28
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 51
The spin was - 3
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 52
The spin was - 13
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 53
The spin was - 2
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 54
The spin was - 0
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -70
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 55
Here is the new fixed session 3:
6,9,29,18,18,9,10,16,33,15,25,13,16,32,21,9,25,8,3,00,33,22,13,35,22,23,5,23,30,8,27,34,5,16,00,5,17,9,5,27,7,30,33,0,28,36,24,28,36,16,4,1,33,19,1,7,24,36,27,36,31,33,25,2,
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The spin was - 6
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 1
The spin was - 9
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 2
The spin was - 29
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 3
The spin was - 18
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 4
The spin was - 18
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 5
The spin was - 9
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 6
The spin was - 10
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 7
The spin was - 16
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 8
The spin was - 33
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 9
The spin was - 15
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 10
The spin was - 25
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 11
The spin was - 13
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 12
The spin was - 16
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 13
The spin was - 32
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 14
The spin was - 21
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 15
The spin was - 9
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 16
The spin was - 25
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 17
The spin was - 8
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 18
The spin was - 3
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 19
The spin was - 00
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 20
The spin was - 33
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 21
The spin was - 22
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 22
The spin was - 13
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 23
The spin was - 35
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 24
The spin was - 22
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 25
The spin was - 23
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 26
The spin was - 5
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 27
The spin was - 23
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 28
The spin was - 30
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 29
The spin was - 8
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 30
The spin was - 27
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 31
The spin was - 34
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 32
The spin was - 5
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 33
The spin was - 16
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 34
The spin was - 00
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 35
The spin was - 5
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 36
The spin was - 17
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 37
The spin was - 9
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 38
The spin was - 5
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 39
The spin was - 27
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 40
The spin was - 7
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 41
The spin was - 30
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Dozen 3
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 42
The spin was - 33
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 43
The spin was - 0
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 44
The spin was - 28
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 0 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 45
The spin was - 36
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 10 on Dozen 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 46
The spin was - 24
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Column 1
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 47
The spin was - 28
<<<< -- Winner! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 40
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 48
The spin was - 36
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 30
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 49
The spin was - 16
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 20
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 50
The spin was - 4
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 10
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 51
The spin was - 1
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at 0
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 52
The spin was - 33
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -10
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 53
The spin was - 19
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -20
Place a bet of 10 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 54
The spin was - 1
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 55
The spin was - 7
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 56
The spin was - 24
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 57
The spin was - 36
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 58
The spin was - 27
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 59
The spin was - 36
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 60
The spin was - 31
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 61
The spin was - 33
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
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Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 62
The spin was - 25
<<<< -- Lost! -- >>>>
-----------------------
Your running total is now at -30
Place a bet of 0 on Column 2
----------------------------------------------------------- next Spin 63
I think it's working right now.
I can't get this to work. I'm tired of trying. I guess I'll keep my word and quit trying. I'm shutting down the access key to the beta demo. It's worthless anyway. ... and I'm giving up on Roulette computer programs too. Now all you have is Father Roulette to bother you.
who the hell is Father Roulette?
Quote from: iggiv on April 11, 2011, 09:53:00 PM
who the hell is Father Roulette?
Gizmo is referring to cheese/Spike.
VKM
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 11, 2011, 09:25:20 PM
I can't get this to work. I'm tired of trying. I guess I'll keep my word and quit trying. I'm shutting down the access key to the beta demo. It's worthless anyway. ... and I'm giving up on Roulette computer programs too. Now all you have is Father Roulette to bother you.
At 5:44 you said "I guess it's time to package and deliver a new beta version 1.1. That will take a while. It looks like I have it working pretty good."
Now, 2 hours later, you say "It's worthless anyway."
Nobody on Earth has such a giant turn around in 2 hours. One of those statements is pure Gizmo baloney. I suspect they both are. You knew this contraption wouldn't work from the gitgo, and now your saying you're quitting, for dramatic effect. Whatever.
you can not make a machine to tell the future. not yet.
Quote from: pins on April 12, 2011, 12:29:16 AM
you can not make a machine to tell the future. not yet.
First you have to have a soildly proven winner, THEN you teach the program to do it. Not the other way around.
Quote from: cheese on April 12, 2011, 01:43:32 AM
First you have to have a soildly proven winner, THEN you teach the program to do it. Not the other way around.
Fine, I've always been able to do a hit and run on the weakest states of randomness. All I have to do is to teach a computer to do that. So I'll work on it for as long as it takes.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 28, 2011, 02:38:56 AM
Fine, I've always been able to do a hit and run on the weakest states of randomness.
And a 'weak state' of randomness looks like what, exactly. If its random, how in god's name can it be weak or strong? Its nothing, its vapor, its unconnected events. What the hell are you talking about? Sometimes I really believe you don't know jack about random, the stuff you write about it completely contradicts reality.
Quote from: cheese on April 28, 2011, 08:09:05 AM
And a 'weak state' of randomness looks like what, exactly. If its random, how in god's name can it be weak or strong? Its nothing, its vapor, its unconnected events. What the hell are you talking about? Sometimes I really believe you don't know jack about random, the stuff you write about it completely contradicts reality.
I'm not going to talk about it. I'm going to test it until it works. The problem is getting the computer to guess better than it did with this four rule test I ran before. Until then you can keep doing what you always do. If I don't bring it to the conversation then I won't be successful. If I do then you will be like Obama's birth certificate and Donald Trump. I'm doing all the work here. You are just doing the mouth off routine again. Be patient or not. But I'm not talking this time. Just wanted to give you a chance to make another prediction. It's just that so many here respect your opinion considering all you are doing is sitting here on your toad stool.