HI everone,
I have a system that works and has not lost in 800spins(not to say it wont ever lose) it doesn't make thousands but i do believe it could, and i can take a while to get a bet.I discovered it when i seen allot of repeating numbers and the ball always landing in one particular section on the wheel, so i started to look at the neighbours of the last number spun, after allot of testing on 30-100spins a session i knew that the neighbouring systems do work i just needed to see it perform on a session of over 500spins. For this system i have tested for over 1,000 spins using a 6 step progression after 4 waits and so far still has not lost yet. i will be testing this on over 3,000 spins i recieved of see_jerek and will let everyone know how im going on.
So finally what is it right;
1.We look at the last number spun (L.N) to get to step 2 we want the next spin to be more than 7 eva side of the L.N.
EXAMPLE---- 24 L.N we want it not to land on 9,31,14,20,1,33,16,24,5,10,23,8,30,11,36.
2. We now have a new L.N so to get to step 3 we want the next spin to be more than 7 eva side of the L.N.
3. We now have a new L.N so to get to step 4 we want the next spin to be more than 7 eva side of the L.N.
4. We now have a new L.N so to get to step 5 to have our first bet we want the next spin to be more than 7 eva side of the L.N
5. We now have to bet the first step of progression we now want it to land on any of the 7 numbers eva side of the L.N and the L.N thats 15 numbers though tweaking the system slightly i discovered that backing the 2nd to last number really helps, so now a total of 16 numbers covered all together.
EXAMPLE---- 35 L.N we bet on 9,22,18,29,7,28,12,35,3,26,0,32,15,19,4 + 2nd L.N 34.
6. Same as step 5 with the new set of numbers
7. same again with new set of numbers
8. Same again with new set of numbers
9. Same again with new set of numbers
10. Same again with new set of numbers
11. If not hit here we have lost
This is the progression im using
Step 5 above- 50P ON 16 NUMBERS= £8 WIN £10
Step 6 above- £1 ON 16 NUMBERS=£24 WIN £12
Step 7 above- £1.50 ON 16 NUMBERS=£48 WIN £6
Step 8 above- £2.50 ON 16 NUMBERS=£88 WIN £2
Step 9 above- £5 ON 16 NUMBERS=£168 WIN £12
Step 10 above- £10 ON 16 NUMBERS=£328 WIN£32
ow and 1 other thing it rearly helps playing with dublin bet very easy to put the 7 eva side 5second or so and also you get a choice of two tables to look at so that means we get our 4 waits reguarly.
thanks for reading everyone. hope to see what you think
THIS MIGHT HELP [smiley=shocked.gif]
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ILL KEEP EVERYONE INFORMED, see where i am at 2,000 spins
1,000SPINS STEP1 WON 32 TIMES £320
STEP2 WON 9TIMES £108
STEP3 WON 9TIMES £54
STEP4 WON 3TIMES £6
STEP5 WON 3TIMES £36
STEP6 WON 1TIMES £32
LOST £328 NEVER £0
TOTAL PROFIT £556 :)
Quote from: MATTJONO on October 28, 2008, 07:26:10 AM
ILL KEEP EVERYONE INFORMED, see where I am at 2,000 spins
1,000SPINS STEP1 WON 32 TIMES £320
STEP2 WON 9TIMES £108
STEP3 WON 9TIMES £54
STEP4 WON 3TIMES £6
STEP5 WON 3TIMES £36
STEP6 WON 1TIMES £32
LOST £328 NEVER £0
TOTAL PROFIT £556 :)
You are half way there if it get to 5000 positive might just stand a good chance
BEEN WORKING HARD TO TRY AND GET IT TO LOSE STILL HASNT YET :o
1,500SPINS STEP1 WON 46TIMES £460
STEP2 WON 17TIMES £204
STEP3 WON 17TIMES £42
STEP4 WON 4TIMES £8
STEP5 WON 4TIMES £48
STEP6 WON 3TIMES £96
LOST £328 NEVER £0
TOTAL PROFIT £858
2,000 WILL BE DONE BY TONIGHT... STILL CONFIDENT BUT WHEN DOES THAT CHANGE ANYTHING AY,, :-X
looks nice mate, ill try it out later
im getting pritty fast now and going threw the 1,000s of spins im on 2,000th spin at the moment still hasnt lost,,,,,
2,000SPINS STEP1 WON 59TIMES £590
STEP2 WON 22TIMES £264
STEP3 WON 23TIMES £138
STEP4 WON 6TIMES £12
STEP5 WON 8TIMES £96
STEP6 WON 3TIMES £96
LOST £328 NEVER £0
TOTAL PROFIT £1,196
for a 16 numbers not going past the 10th step in 2,000 spins. is that good concidering we only have 16 numbers coverd and we play with the 0... :-X but stiil need to reach the 4,000 spins and see the profits and if it ever loses(im saying it will but who nose) ;D
Are you playing in actual casinos or online ones? If online are they live ones or RNG ones?
2,500 SPINS STEP1 WON 73TIMES £730
STEP2 WON 29TIMES £348
STEP3 WON 28TIMES £168
STEP4 WON 8TIMES £16
STEP5 WON 8TIMES £96
STEP6 WON 4TIMES £128
LOST £328 NEVER £0
TOTAL PROFIT £1,486
ITS WORKING OUT UP TO NOW £30-£50 A HOUR IF THE TABLE WAS 1MIN SPINS....
HAS ANYONE HAD A GO YET ;)
Quote from: rouletteplay on October 28, 2008, 04:15:14 PM
Are you playing in actual casinos or online ones? If online are they live ones or RNG ones?
i not even playing it for real money ;D,,, but i seriously need to . and i have not yet tested it on R.N.G but will give it a go after the 5,000 spins im testing im trying to see if it will lose but its asif it just has to land near the last number. pritty mad int it for 16 numbers try get a coin to go heads/tails/heads/tails/heads/tails/heads/tails/heads/tails.... but playing with red/black, odd/even etc they are all over the wheel so it will go on runs of 18reds in a row but with mine we playing it a better way. hard to explain but u get me hopefully. :-X :-X
Quote from: MATTJONO on October 28, 2008, 04:21:30 PM
2,500 SPINS STEP1 WON 73TIMES £730
STEP2 WON 29TIMES £348
STEP3 WON 28TIMES £168
STEP4 WON 8TIMES £16
STEP5 WON 8TIMES £96
STEP6 WON 4TIMES £128
LOST £328 NEVER £0
TOTAL PROFIT £1,486
ITS WORKING OUT UP TO NOW £30-£50 A HOUR IF THE TABLE WAS 1MIN SPINS....
HAS ANYONE HAD A GO YET ;)
I think when a 5000 is reach and its positive there will be takers
Sounds like a good system, i will definitely be giving this a go shortly!
Keep up the good work testers and keep posting your results!
Luke
3,000 SPINS STEP1 WON 80TIMES £800
STEP2 WON 36TIMES £432
STEP3 WON 33TIMES £198
STEP4 WON 12TIMES £24
STEP5 WON 10TIMES £120
STEP6 WON 4TIMES £128
LOST £328 NEVER £0
TOTAL PROFIT £1,702
Quote from: MATTJONO on October 28, 2008, 10:30:00 PM
3,000 SPINS STEP1 WON 80TIMES £800
STEP2 WON 36TIMES £432
STEP3 WON 33TIMES £198
STEP4 WON 12TIMES £24
STEP5 WON 10TIMES £120
STEP6 WON 4TIMES £128
LOST £328 NEVER £0
TOTAL PROFIT £1,702
almost there mate! ;)
WHEN I START IT ILL WAIT 5 TIMES INSTEAD OF 4 UNTIL MY BANKROLL GETS HIGHER THE 4 TIMES IT HAS HIT THE LAST BET IS BIT RISKY FOR ME EVEN THO IT HASNT LOST YET THE THING IS I KNOW I WILL SEE A LOSING RUN SOMETIME IT JUST WHEN SO AT LEAST WE KNOW NOT TO BET ON EVEN CHANCES LIKE RED/BLACK WORKS BETTER AND GOES ON SHORTER RUNS BEFORE A HIT. WHATS THE LONGEST RED/BLACK EVEN/ODD YOU KNOW ABOUT SEE_JEREK. AND HOW DO PEOPLE BET WITH MARTINGALE SYESTEM SOMTING LIKE £2,£4,£8,£16,£32,£64,£128,£256,AND SO ON THIS SEEMS MAD CONSIDERING IT WILL GO ON LONG RUNS.
:o
i would say im only half way there but these results are good. it still hasnt been to the 10th spin. im going to start it on a 10p starting bet roulette site anyone know any good ones that pay you when you win ;D.. im starting it with this
wait
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10p used £1.60 win £2
20p used £4.80 win £2.40
30p used £9.60 win £1.20
60p used £19.20 win £2.40
£1.10 used £36.80 win £2.80
£2. used £68.80 win £3.20
£5 used £148.80 win £31.20
with a 10p start i dont win as much but only need £150 start and i can bet the 10th bet even tho it has never been there so up to now from my 3,000 spins of testing it wouldnt of hit the £5 bet if i was doing it with this 10p betting. 8)
I HAVE ATTACHED THE 3,000 SPINS SO FAR THAT I HAVE NOT LOST ON NEED TO DO THE OTHER 3,000 THO ;)
anyone coded that in EX?
Quote from: Boo_Ray on October 29, 2008, 03:38:01 PM
anyone coded that in EX?
dunno what u mean boo_ray---- am learning tho ???
Quote from: MATTJONO on October 29, 2008, 03:47:55 PM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on October 29, 2008, 03:38:01 PM
anyone coded that in EX?
dunno what u mean boo_ray---- am learning tho ???
I mean if anyone has coded this system for roulette extreme for easyer testing
Quote from: MATTJONO on October 28, 2008, 10:51:35 PM
WHEN I START IT ILL WAIT 5 TIMES INSTEAD OF 4 UNTIL MY BANKROLL GETS HIGHER THE 4 TIMES IT HAS HIT THE LAST BET IS BIT RISKY FOR ME EVEN THO IT HASNT LOST YET THE THING IS I KNOW I WILL SEE A LOSING RUN SOMETIME IT JUST WHEN SO AT LEAST WE KNOW NOT TO BET ON EVEN CHANCES LIKE RED/BLACK WORKS BETTER AND GOES ON SHORTER RUNS BEFORE A HIT. WHATS THE LONGEST RED/BLACK EVEN/ODD YOU KNOW ABOUT SEE_JEREK. AND HOW DO PEOPLE BET WITH MARTINGALE SYESTEM SOMTING LIKE £2,£4,£8,£16,£32,£64,£128,£256,AND SO ON THIS SEEMS MAD CONSIDERING IT WILL GO ON LONG RUNS.
:o
I find 1/2/3/5/10 the original progression is a bit steep to be real honest,anyway to tweak this a bit?Any suggestions?
:o
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I find 1/2/3/5/10 the original progression is a bit steep to be real honest,anyway to tweak this a bit?Any suggestions?
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exactly my problem abit steep the progression i wish there was a better way of playing this? one bit of tweeking and this could be good for 16 numbers
??? ??? ???
looking at the 3,000 spins i have tested it on can anyone think of a way of tweeking this because i carnt... i will do all the tesing see if anyones ideas work better e.g---less waiting, less progression/cheaper progression or win more money.... some one said it a post a thew weeks ago crnt remember where and from who but it was something like when we bin we bet more when we los we bet less or i could of misunderstood the message anyone know what im on about no ;D :D i chat on sometimes forgive me ;D :D
Quote from: ryan08 on October 29, 2008, 10:59:53 PM
Hey guys, im running through 5500 spins of this system on rx, it will take a while because I dont know how to code,
just for testing sake ive used £1/2/3/5/10/20, in 334 spins I have made £528 so far, only another 5000! lol, but the results seem very good and this is fun to play, my advice to anyone would be dont bother tweaking the progression it seems easily recoverable, if you dont want to lose money join up at joyland casino, the min bet is 0.01 and the table min is 0.10, iv started here and im building my bank up, by the time you make some serious cash you will have enough confidence in the system to play the progression without worry.
im using 1p/2p/3p/5p/10p/20p, havent hit the 20p and even if I lose I lose £6.56, thats it!
this is a very good system mattjono, my respect for posting this mate
br
ryan
cheers ryon08 for the feedback and ill finish of my testing soon still need another 2,000+ spins i do think it will lose but if we just put a target lets say 25% profit finish session.
also ryan08 can you see when your playing the system it sort of has to push itself to out set of numbers....
and 1 more thing for now mate whats the 1p stake website called giving it a go ;D :D ;D :D
my results after 398 spins live wheel-
1st=13
2nd=8
3rd=5
4th=2
5th=2
6th=1
loss=0
using £1/2/3/5/10/20
+684 profit!
iv got another 5000 spins to go through
also i had a go on live wheel, the results were
1=8
2=3
3=2
4=1
5=2
6=0
loss=0
dont know how many spins but 2 hours play so around 100, using 0.01 units profit was 2.04(204)
the total altogether sorry was 888(.com lol) units without a loss
Quote from: ryan08 on October 30, 2008, 01:23:04 AM
my results after 398 spins live wheel-
1st=13
2nd=8
3rd=5
4th=2
5th=2
6th=1
loss=0
using £1/2/3/5/10/20
+684 profit!
iv got another 5000 spins to go through
also I had a go on live wheel, the results were
1=8
2=3
3=2
4=1
5=2
6=0
loss=0
dont know how many spins but 2 hours play so around 100, using 0.01 units profit was 2.04(204)
Whats the best way to track the numbers?Any software?
Quote from: MATTJONO on October 28, 2008, 10:30:00 PM
3,000 SPINS STEP1 WON 80TIMES £800
STEP2 WON 36TIMES £432
STEP3 WON 33TIMES £198
STEP4 WON 12TIMES £24
STEP5 WON 10TIMES £120
STEP6 WON 4TIMES £128
LOST £328 NEVER £0
TOTAL PROFIT £1,702
How is this going to work if we take loss at step 4?
iv looked at that a thew times most of our wins are on the first and second bets ill have a look today :-X
See jerek is right according to my maths, progression should be 1,2,3,6 and 12
Quote from: ryan08 on October 30, 2008, 12:12:00 PM
whats see_jerek talking about taking a loss at the 4th?
I believe Jerek is wondering if it'd be profitable if played with only 4 steps instead of 6.
MM
Quote from: luke0407 on October 30, 2008, 12:49:45 PM
See jerek is right according to my maths, progression should be 1,2,3,6 and 12
what do you think Luke?
Go any higher and you can kill youself if system fails on you?
well, it is a difficult one to be honest. I think there is plenty of merit in this system, i've done a few trials (although nothing extensive) and have returned positive results. From the tests that others have done it is possible to go to a 1,2,3,6,12,20 for the six stage progression and as with any progression you will lose at some point, but the 'point' is if you have accumulated enough profit and it happens infrequently enough for you to build it back without losing you bank roll twice over shortly afterwards then it is a good system.
For those querying the maths, this is what i have come up with (apologies if the format is slightly off)(also please correct me if i am wrong!);
i'll start at step 5 using 1,2,3,6,12 and 24 progression;
if no. hits at this point(1) = +19 (i.e. 35gross win - 16staked)
if no. hits at this point(2) = +22 (i.e. 70gross win - 32staked - 16lost(above))
if no. hits at this point(3) = +9 (i.e. 105gross win - 48staked - 48lost(above))
if no. hits at this point(6) = +18 (i.e. 210gross win - 96staked - 96lost(above))
if no. hits at this point(12) = +36 (i.e. 420gross win - 192staked - 192lost(above))
if no. hits at this point(24) = +72 (i.e. 840gross win - 384staked - 384lost(above))
With the example been given before step 4 (like see_jerek said) results in a cumulative -0.50 lost - so this is the prog i would use, obviously playing for real i would start off with 10p, 20p, 30p, 60p, 1.20 and 2.40.
Luke
could change '24' to '20' in the progression as well i think!! :-\
Quote from: ryan08 on October 31, 2008, 02:27:42 AM
each I represents a win [total profit from 1001 spins so far = +965
1/iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
2/iiiiiiiiiiii
3/iiiiiiii
4/iiiiiiii
5/iiii
6/ii
L/i
all below are losses[-656]
7/i
even with the loss I have still made +965, this was using 1/2/3/5/10/20 progression
mattjono also said he ddnt find a loss in his 3000 spin test so im going to carry on testing and try and find where the next loss will appear, looking sweet so far though
stop loss at 4th step seems reasonable,and not forgetting you play after 4 misses,mattjono does it only after 5 misses
Quote from: ryan08 on October 31, 2008, 09:27:03 AM
4 stop loss would work, but it means far less profit, 389
ill show you the working out-
1 loss = 176 (1st step16+2nd32+3rd48+4th80=176)
if going to the 4th you then have 7 losses, (5th4+6th2+7th1=7)
the loss would be 176x7=1232
take the profit 1621-1232=389
this will be safer but 6th step is better to use if you dont mind a bit of risk
end of the day why dont wait for 6 misses?
btw ryan08 the aswer for your signiture is: antigravity
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Quote from: Boo_Ray on October 31, 2008, 12:08:54 PM
btw ryan08 the aswer for your signiture is: antigravity
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looks like one of Sam's cats ;D
It looks unstable :D well enough off topic
What are the best live casinos to use? i.e. ones that will actually pay? it's time for me to test this puppy out!!
i need one with 0.10 table minimum though - just in case!! ;)
at my local casino the table limit is 10x the minimum bet.....so the progression should be 1,2,3,5,10 ???
thanks
Hi,
whenever i try to use Joyland Casino it just says live games not available - tried it at 21.30 and 22.30 and 09.45 UK time?
any others?
Luke
Quote from: luke0407 on November 01, 2008, 07:43:57 AM
Hi,
whenever I try to use Joyland Casino it just says live games not available - tried it at 21.30 and 22.30 and 09.45 UK time?
any others?
Luke
this happens when they are changing dealers. takes a few minutes so just keep trying and the tables will eventually appear.
Quote from: ryan08 on November 01, 2008, 10:02:54 PM
ok, the best way iv found to play this system is to wait for 6 misses then start a 6 step progression(1/2/3/5/10/20)
this will take patience but so far I have made +928 without a loss, iv hit the 6th step twice, if I take a loss now (-656) I will still be +272
i havent done extensive testing but I have done over 5000, I will continue but this should be safe enough for now
I feel that if 8 step can happen in 5000 spins,it will happen in 50 spins.while we are already playing with real money,mattjono is still playing with kid's money.I am still expecting some answers and solutions from him.
In his test he hasn't lose yet so let's see what he has to say,or did he dig a whole hole and hide in the ground when he knows his system has failed again.
Hi to all, I reall like the approach here but i think it has more to do with some statistical probability involing numbers than sections on the wheel. i am having great success just applying the bet to numeric numbers either side of the qualifying number. has anyone else tried this aspect?
Quote from: 17black on November 02, 2008, 05:42:44 AM
Hi to all, I reall like the approach here but I think it has more to do with some statistical probability involing numbers than sections on the wheel. I am having great success just applying the bet to numeric numbers either side of the qualifying number. has anyone else tried this aspect?
can you give some examples on how you are playing?
no internet left everyone
4,000 spins
wait
wait
wait
wait
£1 101 times hit
£2 44 times hit
£3 41 times hit
£5 12 times hit
£10 5 times hit
£20 7 times hit
lost £704 1 times hit
3,060 profit
i would say +£50 then stop the session
no internet left im in the liberary speak to you all soon an
can nobody test this by programming it?
i can see the good results,but handtesting is just so much work.
there must be some wizzkid out there who can programm and test this kind off play?
regards Petquehsa
Quote from: MATTJONO on November 03, 2008, 11:42:12 AM
no internet left everyone
4,000 spins
wait
wait
wait
wait
£1 101 times hit
£2 44 times hit
£3 41 times hit
£5 12 times hit
£10 5 times hit
£20 7 times hit
lost £704 1 times hit
3,060 profit
i would say +£50 then stop the session
no internet left im in the liberary speak to you all soon an
I think waiting for 5 or 6 times miss is the safest.In our tests,we encounter 8th step progression once
I have tested this system at both Bet365 and Dublin and it works well. The only thing that needs to be addressed is the waiting time. Bet365 is an average of 2 minutes per spin so the way you are using this is days of play but it is safe.
Have tested this for 1000 spins in Joyland play money and I am up nearly 50%. Hit progression 5 only once!.As stated previously it sure is a patience thing!!
Seems to work well tho,will keep testing.
would this work well with double zero roulette ??
thanks
SOUNDS PROMISSING!!!
Thx to testers,
regards petquesha
back in the libery need to top up my internet i have one og those 3g pay as you go >:( bad past credit so no one will give me a contract internet ;D
anyway
i think see_jerek is right we should wait 6 times to be 99.9% safe but this involves alot of waiting that is the only problem but if we could find a good 30secons spin rate would be good glad to see everyone has took some time to have a go at the 16 number system and call me a sado but after 4,000 spins of testing i know the wheel off by heart so dont need a wheel infront of me to see what numbers to put on. so 30secs spintime i can handle just....
Unless you have a huge BR/balls, I do not recommend playing this.
Quote from: Shorty on November 04, 2008, 02:40:33 PM
Unless you have a huge BR/balls, I do not recommend playing this.
4,000 spins
wait
wait
wait
wait
wait
wait
£1 41 times hit £840
£2 12 times hit £288
£3 5 times hit £60
£5 7 times hit £28
£10 1 times hit £8
£20 0 times hit £0
lost £720 0 times -£0
total profit £964 in 4,000 this is only average of £30 per hour (30secs spins) but if we did this just to start off and be safe and sure not to lose then we can go to the origianal below and make ££££££££ because it doesnt matter if we lose £740 because it is so rare to lose the progression.
4,000 spins
wait
wait
wait
wait
£1 101 times hit
£2 44 times hit
£3 41 times hit
£5 12 times hit
£10 5 times hit
£20 7 times hit
lost £704 1 times hit
3,060 profit (£95 per hour 30 seconds spins or £45 1min spins) average........
what about 5 misses,it seems fair enough matt :)
Quote from: the_spiders_kiss on November 04, 2008, 09:21:37 AM
Have tested this for 1000 spins in Joyland play money and I am up nearly 50%. Hit progression 5 only once!.As stated previously it sure is a patience thing!!
Seems to work well tho,will keep testing.
Did you wait for 4 or 5 misses?
see_jerek..I waited for 5 misses then played the suggested progression. :)
Quote from: the_spiders_kiss on November 04, 2008, 07:30:16 PM
see_jerek..I waited for 5 misses then played the suggested progression. :)
thats good 5 misses gives you more of a chance
Yeah. Dunno if id have the guts to play in real tho,because makes a hole in your BR whilst playin due to large bets being placed to get to progression 5...and if that DID miss.................... :'(
Quote from: the_spiders_kiss on November 04, 2008, 07:43:58 PM
Yeah. Dunno if id have the guts to play in real tho,because makes a hole in your BR whilst playin due to large bets being placed to get to progression 5...and if that DID miss.................... :'(
I think this sort of systems that invole progression will definately hit the wall at some point,so risk is defintely there.But as long as you can win more to cover the loss,I think its fair enough isn't it?
thats the problem with progression...dont spend too much profits if you want to survive
guys, guys, guys,
if your going to worry about the progression then find another system because you will bottle it when you go to the high steps, it requires very good dicipline, if it bothers you that much find a low stakes table eg- joyland casino (0.01 min bet). wait for 5 misses and you will be fine, iv hit a few misses before but i havent hit a miss in 5 days playing for 12 hours every day, +1776, the profit speaks for itself
Hi Mattjono,
As you have been testing this a lot, is it possible to see what the results are with the 4,000 spin series you have of also applying the opposite scenario?
That is, where the ball lands 5 times within the 7 numbers either side of the last number spun - then betting that the next result/s will be outside that range. Admittedly, you would be betting on 20 numbers in this case and a varied progression would be needed.
Just think the stats might be interesting and there would definitely be more action as it looks like, with the original, you might have an opportunity only once in some 50-60 spins.
Regards
Mocco
iv had a couple of losses playing 5 misses over the testing period, iv played waiting for 6 misses and havent hit a loss yet, its been to the last step twice but held up, im at +1956. this is very slow but over 5 days thats my results,
@ moccoman, seeing more 'action' is not always the best option, take it from me, this way is boring but it works, im not sure you will need to add to it
Looks goood guys.
Must say though that when one has to wait longer and longer for the progression to succeed ,it could mean that the sysytem is maybe not so good after all.
I ahve tested several systems with progression ,some were really good and got me up 6000 units or more.
But with these kind off progressions one has to have some luck at beginning,because tghe session from hell could be among the first couple off sessions as we all know.
i like this system and i dont want to be negative,but experience learns us that when we think we have a good prgression but during the course of testing we have to keep altering the betting point off course there will be less sessions to play and it might seem that there is hardly any loosing session.
But according to the law off roulette playing the first 5 spins ,should give similar results as wait for 5 spins and then start playing with same progression.
I used to play a long progression on sleeper nrs ,so i do believe in waiting for right moment to bet.
but in this system i should be possible to prograam it and test in on 100000 spins,then see where we stand.
Dont want to be negative ,but i feel sometimes on this forum ,people tend to get very excited about things that might have been tried before and didnt prove to be long term winner.
regards petquesha
Quote from: petquesha on November 05, 2008, 07:19:12 AM
Looks goood guys.
Must say though that when one has to wait longer and longer for the progression to succeed ,it could mean that the sysytem is maybe not so good after all.
I ahve tested several systems with progression ,some were really good and got me up 6000 units or more.
But with these kind off progressions one has to have some luck at beginning,because tghe session from hell could be among the first couple off sessions as we all know.
i like this system and I dont want to be negative,but experience learns us that when we think we have a good prgression but during the course of testing we have to keep altering the betting point off course there will be less sessions to play and it might seem that there is hardly any loosing session.
But according to the law off roulette playing the first 5 spins ,should give similar results as wait for 5 spins and then start playing with same progression.
I used to play a long progression on sleeper nrs ,so I do believe in waiting for right moment to bet.
but in this system I should be possible to prograam it and test in on 100000 spins,then see where we stand.
Dont want to be negative ,but I feel sometimes on this forum ,people tend to get very excited about things that might have been tried before and didnt prove to be long term winner.
regards petquesha
I have to say I partly agreed with you.I try playing right from the 1st spin without waits,results are about the same I feel,I may be wrong perhaps as I hit and run once I win some units I stop
@ petquesha, this works wether you wait for 4 5 or 6 misses, the only reason im suggesting wait longer is because certain people wont risk the money, and want to play as safely as possible, its up to you wether you want to play but iv had good results and ill continue to play
Quote from: luke0407 on November 01, 2008, 07:43:57 AM
Hi,
whenever I try to use Joyland Casino it just says live games not available - tried it at 21.30 and 22.30 and 09.45 UK time?
any others?
Luke
32Vegas has 10 cent minimum - and 1cent units
QuoteSee jerek is right according to my maths, progression should be 1,2,3,6 and 12
Hi everyone- actually the correct bet progression is (what ever bet you feel comfortable with) X 2 1/2 times the wager.
example: 0.10 X 2 1/2 = 0.25 X 2 1/2 = 0.63 (move to 0.70) X 2 1/2 = 1.75 X 2 1/2 = 4.40 X 2 1/2 = 11
6 bet progression = 0.10, 0.25, .70, 1.75, 4.40, 11
for 5 steps leave out 0.10
I have gotten to 7 losses at Bet365 so be careful but this is a good system if used correctly. Use 25% win ratio at one casino stop and move to another one, only live though!
Quotewould this work well with double zero roulette ??
I would not use this with double zero but why there are many single zero casinos online? If you do you will have more loses and less wins and we all know the single worst factor in roulette is the zero so if you have two zeros you double your problems, not good!
Thanks to some heavy rain I have a few days off work (and therefore time to play/test) so thought Id give this baby a quick whirl on my Dublin bet fun account.
1 hours play - 558 units! This would of been 279 euros which is $530 AUD - bloody good for an hours work.
I realize reality probably needs to kick and this could well have been a lucky run so I'll be back to play more sessions later and see what happens. But I'll be stoked if things hold up this well.
I used progression 1 2 3 6 12, which, since they've lowered the max bet per number on the low rollers table to 10 euros becomes
.5, 1, 1.5, 3, 6 and NO waiting for x losses - just dived straight in.
Also, I hit the last step in the progression once and the second last three times so I can see the merit in waiting at least two misses. And having re-read the first post I forgot to bet the 2nd last number hit so these are 15 number bets not 16.
Roules
Quote from: roules on November 05, 2008, 09:55:44 PM
Thanks to some heavy rain I have a few days off work (and therefore time to play/test) so thought Id give this baby a quick whirl on my Dublin bet fun account.
1 hours play - 558 units! This would of been 279 euros which is $530 AUD - bloody good for an hours work.
I realize reality probably needs to kick and this could well have been a lucky run so I'll be back to play more sessions later and see what happens. But I'll be stoked if things hold up this well.
I used progression 1 2 3 6 12, which, since they've lowered the max bet per number on the low rollers table to 10 euros becomes
.5, 1, 1.5, 3, 6 and NO waiting for x losses - just dived straight in.
Also, I hit the last step in the progression once and the second last three times so I can see the merit in waiting at least two misses. And having re-read the first post I forgot to bet the 2nd last number hit so these are 15 number bets not 16.
Roules
I would attritbute the success to some good luck but you progression seems to be better lower profits but lesser damage when you hit the wall.You should play it a little longer waiting for 3 misses at least.keep me posted on your results
Hi Guys,
I have encountered 13 misses in Rapid Roulette in Genting Highland casino in Malaysia.Twice!!
Good luck!
Kenwira.
Quote from: MATTJONO on October 28, 2008, 12:00:08 AM
THIS MIGHT HELP [smiley=shocked.gif]
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Well waiting and using patience sure keeps the heart rate down, but, continuous play:
+3400 units
1 Loss - 656 (ouch!)
Total 2744 units which in 50cent terms at Dublinbet - 1372 Euros
Not bad...
I know it looks like I'm trying to make a case for cont play but with a 656 unit progression loss, waiting is
obviously worthwhile.
Another thought I had was to play after a win for one spin only, sticking with the progression but waiting for another win so you are looking for.....
LLLWL(lose step 1)LLWW(win step 2)
Roules
Quote from: petquesha on November 05, 2008, 07:19:12 AM
Looks goood guys.
Must say though that when one has to wait longer and longer for the progression to succeed ,it could mean that the sysytem is maybe not so good after all.
I ahve tested several systems with progression ,some were really good and got me up 6000 units or more.
But with these kind off progressions one has to have some luck at beginning,because tghe session from hell could be among the first couple off sessions as we all know.
i like this system and I dont want to be negative,but experience learns us that when we think we have a good prgression but during the course of testing we have to keep altering the betting point off course there will be less sessions to play and it might seem that there is hardly any loosing session.
But according to the law off roulette playing the first 5 spins ,should give similar results as wait for 5 spins and then start playing with same progression.
I used to play a long progression on sleeper nrs ,so I do believe in waiting for right moment to bet.
but in this system I should be possible to prograam it and test in on 100000 spins,then see where we stand.
Dont want to be negative ,but I feel sometimes on this forum ,people tend to get very excited about things that might have been tried before and didnt prove to be long term winner.
regards petquesha
Hi mate,winning 6000 units with a system is really happening.
How is is it done?
What kind of system is that you are using?
If its possible for you to share,I have never play a system that can generate that much profit,the best I have been done is a win of 2000 units that is the best results of all time for me.
Hey mate seems like a good way to play maybe needs more testing.Can you give some examples with numbers to define it clearer.
hello,the system that gave me very good results works as wfollows:
I wait for 2 full cycles of spins..........so 2x 37 spins = 74 spins.
Now circle the nrs that were asleep in these 2 cycles.
Every sleeper thats hits after 74 spins I back with a progression that plays that nr that woke up for 108 spins.
You can play every nr that 'wakes up' by itself with the progression up to 108 times plein (i think it costs about 516 untis if lost)
Or you play every sleeper that'wakes 'up and use only 1 progression for all nrs that fall.
if 4,17,20,35,36 were asleep for 74 spins.
And nr 17 falls at spin 80 then start backing that nr ,now if nr 36 wakes up, start playing that nr as well,but include it in the same progression as nr 17, I hope thats clear enough.
used to play this and had a very good(lucky) start did go up 6000+ units ,but then some bad weeks came where I lost a few progressions ,I was playing first method which is every single nr with its own progression.
try it and see if it works for you, I still am positive with this system ,honestly.
i dont have a job,but I make money practising my hobbies (Classic porsches and casinogames).
I am a real casino player ,and last September I spend in Las Vegas ,mostly played poker I the Riviera.
i spend alot off time in the casino and like all of us I like to get out on top,with a profit.
the key is Not to be to greedy.
I have a large bankrol and am always open to any system to play professional or invest in .
i have my own system that I play,it is based on law off the third,bit complicated and woks with small % profit,works well for me.
Hope that you alll understand above system,
Myself ,i am from Netherlands,
regards petquesha
Sorry,this is the progresssion:
1-28
2-17
3-11
4-9
5-7
6-6
7-5
8-4
9-4
10-4
11-3
12-3
13-3
14-2
15-2
Regards petquesha
Hi Ryan
How many times do you wait for, and what's your progression? Can I play this at Joyland, or do you know a better casino? I'm going to give this a go.
hi gaza,
ive been waiting for 6 misses because waiting for 4 misses i got quite a few losses, joyland has min bet of 0.01(1p) table min 0.10(10p) you should be able to play it and its good place to test with real money, can you code this??
ryan
Thanks Ryan,
I now owe YOU one!
You forgot to tell me the progression? Tell me that, and I'll owe you two!
On Joyland the bets can't be placed in sections. Do I have to put each one on manually? (Is that three?)
I'm coding a system already, but just for you, this system has priority (this will cancel out the three I now owe you!!!).
cheers mate,
wait for 6 misses, use 1/2/3/5/10/20, thats what im using now, ive made a couple more progressions for this but thats what im using at the moment.
you do have to place each bet manually but a few hours practice and its pretty easy, if you get a diagram of a wheel layout you'll memorize it as you bet, that helps alot, its a lot less work than it sounds,
thanks for doing the code for me mate, were square now lol!
ryan
Quote from: Gaza001 on November 06, 2008, 08:48:30 PM
Thanks Ryan,
I now owe YOU one!
You forgot to tell me the progression? Tell me that, and I'll owe you two!
On Joyland the bets can't be placed in sections. Do I have to put each one on manually? (Is that three?)
I'm coding a system already, but just for you, this system has priority (this will cancel out the three I now owe you!!!).
You can use my chart for reference,it helps you place bets faster
It helps me a lot,hope it can help you too
Quote from: petquesha on November 06, 2008, 05:33:43 PM
Sorry,this is the progresssion:
1-28
2-17
3-11
4-9
5-7
6-6
7-5
8-4
9-4
10-4
11-3
12-3
13-3
14-2
15-2
Regards petquesha
You command my highest respect!My ultimate goal in life is to become like you.I know people are laughing at me and telling me to wake up from my dream,but I know people like you exist in the world and suck money out of casinos for your own pleasure.I am working hard towards my ultimate goal but up till this stage I still belong to the loser's group.The only reason why I have to stick to my desk from 8 to 5 is to make money try systems and able to effort to lose until I can find a way to win constantly.
I have to admit I am not in the league of top management but I am still a middle management manager and for my job you need to be at least a graduate,I head a small team of 10 staff.I tell you I farking hate my job.I wanna play roulette for a living not to be rich but at least I don't have top drag mtself to work everyday and have more free time to do myn own things.
Anyway all these is besides the point,I don't understand how your system and progression works.Mate,I think your system deserves some merit and you should start a thread on it and we can learn from there,after all this thread is still on mattjono's system.How does that sound?
Hi petquesha, and all,
Your description above:
Quote
Every sleeper thats hits after 74 spins I back with a progression that plays that nr that woke up for 108 spins.
It reminds me somewhat of a test I did a while ago.
I bet all numbers that had slept for at least 74 spins and then woke up, for 37 bets after the wake-up. End at a hit.
Not 108 like you do.
I followed and completed 52,408 such wake-ups in the Wiesbaden file I used.
You can read all about it and see the results tables in my doc here:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/roulette-probability-made-easier-t2193/15/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/reference-area/roulette-probability-made-easier-t2193/15/)
This particular test is shown in the "[highlight]The Wake-up[/highlight]" post.
(The rest of the doc is also worth reading ;))
Good luck with your test!
KFS
guys your on the wrong thread, this is for the system
Ryan say a number hits that has been on early in the 6 count does 1 scrap that count and start over again from 0 are we to carry on ignoring the reapeat number eg the count was at 3 the repeat came along do we ignore it hoping that next spin takes us to no 4 in the count .thanks Colin
Quote from: colin on November 07, 2008, 07:59:37 AM
Ryan say a number hits that has been on early in the 6 count does 1 scrap that count and start over again from 0 are we to carry on ignoring the reapeat number eg the count was at 3 the repeat came along do we ignore it hoping that next spin takes us to no 4 in the count .thanks Colin
You reset if there is a hit back to 0.You have to let it miss 6 times before you bet
im not sure what you mean colin, if you get 35,35,19 etc, because you have 35 then you count the second one as being in the 7 pockets either side so its a hit and you reset, but say you get 35,23,35 then here you have 3 misses because although you have a repeat the 23 inbetween is on the other side of the wheel therefore more than 7 pockets away from 35 which would count as a miss, a repeat has no relevance in this system, all you are looking for is if the last to numbers are/arent within 7 pockets of each other
remember just look at the last 2 numbers, within 7 pockets=hit, more than 7 pockets space between them=miss, waiting for 6 misses or 5 or 4 depending on how much action you want,
hope this clears things up mate,
br ryan
Quotebut say you get 35,23,35
Although according to the original idea (post 1) you bet the 2nd last number hit - so for this example it would be a win (35 is the 16th number). Sorry if I sounded picky but just wanted to point that out. If it were say 35 23 12 then yes that is 3 misses. Not sure if people are playing/testing etc with this in mind. I forgot initially so I'm now in the habit of just running with 15 numbers but like Matt said - it can be handy doing this.
@ see_jerek - cheers for the xl sheet
I'm up over 800 units in less than 3 hours play (2 sessions - 50c play). Continuous play - no waiting for x misses, something I'm inclined to do after hitting the last (step 5) progression again. Would love to know how this would perform in continuous mode over say 1000+ spins (ok yes I am making a case for cont. play now ::) but of course this isn't overly safe yet)
Roules
Quote from: see_jerek on November 07, 2008, 06:19:25 AM
Quote from: petquesha on November 06, 2008, 05:33:43 PM
Sorry,this is the progresssion:
1-28
2-17
3-11
4-9
5-7
6-6
7-5
8-4
9-4
10-4
11-3
12-3
13-3
14-2
15-2
Regards petquesha
You command my highest respect!My ultimate goal in life is to become like you.I know people are laughing at me and telling me to wake up from my dream,but I know people like you exist in the world and suck money out of casinos for your own pleasure.I am working hard towards my ultimate goal but up till this stage I still belong to the loser's group.The only reason why I have to stick to my desk from 8 to 5 is to make money try systems and able to effort to lose until I can find a way to win constantly.
I have to admit I am not in the league of top management but I am still a middle management manager and for my job you need to be at least a graduate,I head a small team of 10 staff.I tell you I farking hate my job.I wanna play roulette for a living not to be rich but at least I don't have top drag mtself to work everyday and have more free time to do myn own things.
Anyway all these is besides the point,I don't understand how your system and progression works.Mate,I think your system deserves some merit and you should start a thread on it and we can learn from there,after all this thread is still on mattjono's system.How does that sound?
Mr J - a.k.a the progression lunatic has a similar method (I think the difference is he waits for the last two unhit numbers). Do a search it should be around here somewhere. Good on you for the above comments too, I'm in a similar boat.
Roules
Quote from: roules on November 07, 2008, 10:23:24 AM
Quotebut say you get 35,23,35
Although according to the original idea (post 1) you bet the 2nd last number hit - so for this example it would be a win (35 is the 16th number). Sorry if I sounded picky but just wanted to point that out. If it were say 35 23 12 then yes that is 3 misses. Not sure if people are playing/testing etc with this in mind. I forgot initially so I'm now in the habit of just running with 15 numbers but like Matt said - it can be handy doing this.
@ see_jerek - cheers for the xl sheet
I'm up over 800 units in less than 3 hours play (2 sessions - 50c play). Continuous play - no waiting for x misses, something I'm inclined to do after hitting the last (step 5) progression again. Would love to know how this would perform in continuous mode over say 1000+ spins (ok yes I am making a case for cont. play now ::) but of course this isn't overly safe yet)
Roules
The spread sheet is a great help to me,it helps me know where to place the bets quickly.I hope it helps you too.As for plying right from the start without waiting it seems to work as well I think.It will be good if you get wins quickly before you hit a loss and it greatly reduce waiting time,I am toying with the idea of waiting for 2 misses before starting to bet,at least we can go 2 steps further,what do you think?
'ryan08 is my gay partner' - brilliant! Glad you guys could get together! together you could create the Holy Grail!
i am loving this system, i've been playing using the Hamburg spins and roulette xtreme as my aid. I'm using the idea of hit and run, i play for 100 spins and stop (completing a progression if one occurs on 100) i am waiting for 5 misses and using the progression 1/2/3/6/12/22;
100 spins - +72
100 spins - +160
102 spins - +88
100 spins - +44
100 spins - +86
100 spins - +34
100 spins - +120
100 spins - +62
100 spins - +84
105 spins - +44
100 spins - +68
100 spins - +102
100 spins - +74
100 spins - +96
106 spins - +54
100 spins - +44
100 spins - +82
24 spins - -736
100 spins - +120
100 spins - +116
100 spins - +66
100 spins - +72
100 spins - +48
103 spins - +62
100 spins - +82
total = +1144
i have to say i think this is a fantastic set of results! i know it can go bang - in fact my loss came after very few spins - but after close to 2,500 spins and what others have done i dont think (he says) that anyone has slated this system saying it doesn't work over the long term??
in fact before i get carried away with the rent, food and gas money (see general thread from LS for reference :D) can someone come and PROVE to me that this doesn't produce good results long term. Please if yuo are to do this, do it with fact, evidence of coding or something, not just "it's gambler's fallacy" (as i dont believe it is!) or some other rubbish!
Thanks guys and keep testing!!
Luke
Yes the spreadsheet will help in getting bets down - when playing at Dublinbet you can just click on the "number & neighbours" and it will select three at a time.
I'm a bit cautious of waiting only two spins - I think it's either play continuously and hope for the best or wait for at least 4 losses. More tests and time will tell. Waiting is the safe way of course, but if you hit a loss that's a lot of waiting to "re-build" your bankroll. Continuous play rakes in the wins fast and at least for some of the tests so far have shown that they can take a loss or two and still be way in front because it takes advantage of winning streaks too. Another idea I had was playing after a Win. This sank at 32 Vegas the other day - for some reason the system works a lot better at Dublin
HI folks...
I have been playin this system for 7 days now at Joyland as they kindly gave me £10 for free!! I wait for 5 misses and then bet as per the first shown progression.
I only bet 1p per number(yeah yeah big spender I know ;) ) and so far i have more than doubled my BR to £22.79 as we speak.
Have hit progression 5 only once and rest have mostly been 1's and 2's.
Seems to be working ok.
Will keep you guys informed.
Hi mates!
Look, I've been testing 4Selecta in 32Vegas but didn't work out with me yet although I may try it a little bit more, but when I started reading this Method it really got my attention.
After reading it I've found something interesting that "Roules" said about Cointinuous playing. I've been taking a look at all the numbers and just think this:
As you can see, most of the times when you bet to the L.N. and his 7 neighbours you win in the first bet, sometimes in the second and sometimes in the third, etc. But most of the times you hit it on the first bet. So, Just think about betting always 1 chip per number to those 16 numbers on the L.N., continuously, if you lose, then bet again 1 chip to those 16 numbers of the new L.N. that came out. Try this! I've trying this and I've got great results.
I think that quiting when you are near 100 chips it's the best. Remember that 100 chips are okey per session and remember also that you set the chip value you want to play with.
Hope to hearing from you mates!
Facu.
Quote from: facu_portla on November 07, 2008, 11:16:46 PM
Hi mates!
Look, I've been testing 4Selecta in 32Vegas but didn't work out with me yet although I may try it a little bit more, but when I started reading this Method it really got my attention.
After reading it I've found something interesting that "Roules" said about Cointinuous playing. I've been taking a look at all the numbers and just think this:
As you can see, most of the times when you bet to the L.N. and his 7 neighbours you win in the first bet, sometimes in the second and sometimes in the third, etc. But most of the times you hit it on the first bet. So, Just think about betting always 1 chip per number to those 16 numbers on the L.N., continuously, if you lose, then bet again 1 chip to those 16 numbers of the new L.N. that came out. Try this! I've trying this and I've got great results.
I think that quiting when you are near 100 chips it's the best. Remember that 100 chips are okey per session and remember also that you set the chip value you want to play with.
Hope to hearing from you mates!
Facu.
I've been testing always 1 chip per number to those 16 numbers continuously, and lost
runing 7000 numbers on roulette xtreme I think that quiting when you are near 50 chips
thanks Jerek
The chart helps me a lot
Quote from: Gaza001 on November 08, 2008, 05:33:24 PM
Quote from: facu_portla on November 07, 2008, 11:16:46 PM
Hi mates!
Look, I've been testing 4Selecta in 32Vegas but didn't work out with me yet although I may try it a little bit more, but when I started reading this Method it really got my attention.
After reading it I've found something interesting that "Roules" said about Cointinuous playing. I've been taking a look at all the numbers and just think this:
As you can see, most of the times when you bet to the L.N. and his 7 neighbours you win in the first bet, sometimes in the second and sometimes in the third, etc. But most of the times you hit it on the first bet. So, Just think about betting always 1 chip per number to those 16 numbers on the L.N., continuously, if you lose, then bet again 1 chip to those 16 numbers of the new L.N. that came out. Try this! I've trying this and I've got great results.
I think that quiting when you are near 100 chips it's the best. Remember that 100 chips are okey per session and remember also that you set the chip value you want to play with.
Hope to hearing from you mates!
Facu.
I've been testing always 1 chip per number to those 16 numbers continuously, and lost
runing 7000 numbers on roulette xtreme I think that quiting when you are near 50 chips
thanks Jerek
The chart helps me a lot
Hello mate,
Are you playing the original method or with some modifications?
Maybe you can give some examples with spins on how you are betting,so that it is clear and everybody understand how your tests are done,we don't want anyone to bet and lose money on this system isn't it?
Ryan has played a lot on this system even with a few losses,he is still positive so I guess this system does have some merit.I am playing it as well,hit losses also but wins able to cover.
It is good to see there is much interest in this thread.Credit must be given 1st to Mattjono next Ryan08 for playing long periods to test this system.I hope more people can come forward and give it a try and make some positive suggestions and improvement to make it even more profitable and safe.
This stuff is not bad and easy to play even if you are not playing at dublinbet,my spread sheet does help to help you to track the 7 neighbours and place bets fast enough.
I don't know its just my luck or what,I lose the 1st bet right after the 1st 5 miss I encounter!
What luck! :'(
Where were you playing? Not that it matters so much I guess. It just seems more stable at Dublinbet for some reason than it does at the playtech wheel (bet365 32vegas etc). Anything is possible in this game.
Hi Jerek and fellow punters,
following on from my earlier post the position of numbers on the wheel has nothing to do with the success of this system which I atttribute to the quantum of numbers bet and the staking plan. I have had the same success in testing by just following the numeric pattern of numbers as they appear.
The following sequence of numbers gives rise to a bet on a numeric basis , following the appearance of 13, as each number spun to that point from number 30 is more than seven numbers (in a numeric sense) either side of the last number spun and this has been the case for five spins in a row.
30
21 + 9
6 + 15
14 + 8
23 + 9
13 - 10
17 -Start betting 7 either side of 13 - that is numbers 6 to 20 inclusive - and win.
When calculating the gap either side for example from 36 - continue to count forward as well as backwards with the first number forward being zero
Cheers fpor now
HI everone,
BEEN WORKING HARD TO TRY AND GET THIS CODED UN RX, BUT I CAN NOT GET IT TO WAIT
4 OR 6 SPINS.
Can anyone think OF A PROGRESSION LIKE 1,2,3,5,10,20,??.??,??,??,??,??
12 STEP PROGRESSION
JUST 4 PROGRAMMING AND TEST
Hi Jerek
playing the original method but i can't get rx to bet the last 2 numbers yet!!!
And betting, Continuous no PROGRESSION?
Just got the rx to start progressing, (i can't get rx to wait yet so need 12 step progression)
just need more time!!!!!!!! ;)
hope this clears things up mate,
Gaza
hmm thats an interseting take 17black..using table numbes not wheel numbers..i knew a player who used to bet 5 table numbers OF THE SAME COLOUR either side of the winner(and the winneing number too) and said he was quite successful..he used to bet everytime tho...no trigger :)
@gaza 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.6/1.1/ 2/ 3/ 6/ 11/ 20/ 35/ 55 or 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.6/1.1/ 2/1 /2/ 3/ 6/11/20
Quote from: ryan08 on November 09, 2008, 11:50:41 AM
@gaza 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.6/1.1/ 2/ 3/ 6/ 11/ 20/ 35/ 55 or 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.6/1.1/ 2/1 /2/ 3/ 6/11/20
Ryan
I need this in whole numbers, ie, 1, 2, 4, 8, etc.
Just done a test, progression was 1,1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,264,512,1024
Still can't cover last 2 numbers.
Quote from: Gaza001 on November 09, 2008, 12:11:23 PM
Quote from: ryan08 on November 09, 2008, 11:50:41 AM
@gaza 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.6/1.1/ 2/ 3/ 6/ 11/ 20/ 35/ 55 or 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.6/1.1/ 2/1 /2/ 3/ 6/11/20
Ryan
I need this in whole numbers, ie, 1, 2, 4, 8, etc.
Just done a test, progression was 1,1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,264,512,1024
Still can't cover last 2 numbers.
Hello mate,
how are we going to find a table with that sort of bet spread?Quite impossible,so far what'e the best result you have got from RX?
Hey gaza, Nice results
Did you coded it? please post code
Hi guys,
now it might just be me but is anybody else thinking that 30,000 units profit in 1400 is nothing short of incredible?? that is +20u per spin on average!!
I know it was testing and the progression is wild but no one has been killed by this system yet - when do you start to get excited by it?
Luke
p.s. Boo-Ray your avatar is freakin' hilarious!!
How are we going to find a table with that sort of bet spread? ( We are not )
At the moment i'm testing it to see if it will go more than 12 losers in a row
The only way i can do this on rx is to make 12 bets
Ie 1/1/2/4/6/8/16/32/64/128/264/512/1024. Instead of
waiting for 6 misses, use 1/2/3/5/10/20, Ryans seems a safe bet so far.
Been coding this for about 10 hours and still can't get it right (brain needs a rest) but will keep trying. I'm not a quitter !!
Rx 80% done
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did you test with rx numbers or live spins? its important that you play with live spins, and if they are live spins it doesnt look like you need that last 2 steps, iv seen it go past 12 twice now, 1st after 102 bets and the 2nd after 119 bets i was still +1172
@gaza, ask code for some help with working out how to make it wait, she is also good with the rx code making
Ryan
All my numbers are from live roulette .com,
From 28/9/08 to 12/10/08 24 hours a day recorded on sky
yes i must be a sad guy just dont like to be beaten
Well thank you Gaza from me for all ur hard workI.ts lookin better and better :)
Quote from: Gaza001 on November 09, 2008, 02:13:43 PM
How are we going to find a table with that sort of bet spread? ( We are not )
At the moment i'm testing it to see if it will go more than 12 losers in a row
The only way I can do this on rx is to make 12 bets
Ie 1/1/2/4/6/8/16/32/64/128/264/512/1024. Instead of
waiting for 6 misses, use 1/2/3/5/10/20, Ryans seems a safe bet so far.
Been coding this for about 10 hours and still can't get it right (brain needs a rest) but will keep trying. I'm not a quitter !!
Rx 80% done
[smiley=3D-petit-att/36_1_47.gif]
take a rest pal do it at your won pace,there is no rush.i was waiting for a 5 miss last night and on the 1st bet it kill me,how lucky can that be?its like striking lottery.Today,again I waited for 6 misses and it didn't came at all in 2 hours in the end I just gave up just plain silly waiting could have done something more exciting.Ironic isn't it?
@gaza, your not sad, you only get out of roulette what you put in, your a good example to people so thanks for the hard work mate, try running 1/2/3/5/10/20/35/55/75. that may come out a good result and you should be able to find a table that allows that spread,
thanks
ryan
Quote from: Gaza001 on November 09, 2008, 12:11:23 PM
Quote from: ryan08 on November 09, 2008, 11:50:41 AM
@gaza 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.6/1.1/ 2/ 3/ 6/ 11/ 20/ 35/ 55 or 0.1/0.2/0.3/0.6/1.1/ 2/1 /2/ 3/ 6/11/20
Ryan
I need this in whole numbers, ie, 1, 2, 4, 8, etc.
Just done a test, progression was 1,1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,264,512,1024
Still can't cover last 2 numbers.
Good work mate and nice results
Thanks to you all, thats just given me a boost. Nice to be appreciated.
By the way, have just got it to count the last 2 numbers, but they are not progressing with the 7 EVA side numbers, (well not yet anyway) ;D
here here!! keep up the good work gaza and also to ryan08 as well - let's see if this is as good as we think it is long term!!
Gaza who likes to be a loser - nobody! We all are "Edison" in the gambling industry. We will screw it up until we get it straight again.
There are only two kinds of people winners or losers. It is all about how we feel inside in the present moment. The small difference is that losers never start and winners never quit. It looks like we will never quit until we pass away.
Cheers Hermes
Quote from: ryan08 on November 09, 2008, 05:49:48 PM
@gaza, your not sad, you only get out of roulette what you put in, your a good example to people so thanks for the hard work mate, try running 1/2/3/5/10/20/35/55/75. that may come out a good result and you should be able to find a table that allows that spread,
thanks
ryan
Covering the lats 2 numbers 1/2/3/5/10/20/35/55/75.
Quote from: ryan08 on November 09, 2008, 05:49:48 PM
@gaza, your not sad, you only get out of roulette what you put in, your a good example to people so thanks for the hard work mate, try running 1/2/3/5/10/20/35/55/75. that may come out a good result and you should be able to find a table that allows that spread,
thanks
ryan
NOT! covering the last 2 numbers 1/2/3/5/10/20/35/55/75.
wow i knew this was good i just needed everyone to see so we could al tweek it together and make it the holy grail. i still havnt even started for real money yet im not working and carnt lend any. i do know that when i do start it tho i will just stick by the rules and win £1,000s then go on ladbrokes and win £100,000 i rearly do think it is possible.
HAS ANYONE MADE OVER £5,000 PROFIT YET BECAUSE I THINK SOMEONE WILL SOON...
IM VERY ;D ;) :D :) 8)
Quote from: MATTJONO on November 10, 2008, 01:02:22 PM
wow I knew this was good I just needed everyone to see so we could al tweek it together and make it the holy grail. I still havnt even started for real money yet im not working and carnt lend any. I do know that when I do start it tho I will just stick by the rules and win £1,000s then go on ladbrokes and win £100,000 I rearly do think it is possible.
HAS ANYONE MADE OVER £5,000 PROFIT YET BECAUSE I THINK SOMEONE WILL SOON...
IM VERY ;D ;) :D :) 8)
Hi matt,when you mean by sticking by the rules are you referring to 5 miss or 6 miss?Nevertheless I think its possible to win with this system as the wins outweigh the losses.I do hope someone will win a few thousand units soon and I think ryan will be the 1st to do that,he has already won 2 thousand units with this at least
Hi All,
Eureka!!!!!!
I have discovered a way of monitoring this system. I've coded it in rx. It saves lots of time. Just click on the last number in the rx marquee, and it shows you all the next numbers to bet - no time wasted trying to work it out. Eg, last number that came up was number 1. Click on number one on the marquee, and hey presto, the rest of the numbers to bet on will be shown on the table. You just copy them to the playing table. Also, if there are 4 chips showing on each number, you would have lost 4 times. So, as Ryan waits for 6 losers, the table will show 6 on each. This would be the time to start your first progression. I'm going to post this in downloads in rx. The system is called Gaza's 15 numbers + progression. (By the way, the system seems to work well on its own). To everyone who downloads this, will you please check it for me and provide feedback.
When you have loaded it into your rx, go to "designer" open "system editor", scroll down to sentence "Where number 1 has hit each time", then look to right side of column of numbers. the numbers should be the 7 numbers on either side of number 1 on the wheel, (15 numbers in all). Then check number 2, etc, etc. Please let me know if any of these numbers are incorrect.
Hi.So is it now being said that after the trigger you should bet on the last 2 numbers and the seven either side for this to work at its best? please clarify...Btw I have now gone from £10 to £30+ using this system in 8 days.Many thanks every one this is lookin awesome. :)
Guys it is defintely awesome when you win and i think its a good system too but I did lose on my 1st trigger of the 1st bet of a session.
That was 2 days ago,I am playing LWs as well together with this.I don't for for big wins,I use a BR of 2000 and try to win 10% and run lol.As for the past 2 days,i didnt get a trigger at all none zero,most of them are 4 misses and before I have a chance to bet,the LWs have already help my hit my target of 10%.maybe its just my luck nothing else
I wanted to put my 2 cents in regarding the continuous play. With a system such as this since you are changing up your numbers with each spin, it makes sense to play continuously. You aren't really waiting for a miss per se.
If you were betting only 16 STATIC numbers, i.e., numbers that you are monitoring for every spin, it would make sense to play this on a wait-and-see basis. Preferably, you have to figure that with the law of the third, these numbers are going to hit at least once per cycle, maybe not. But since you are looking at 12 sleepers per cycle, and betting 16, you have 4 which SHOULD hit. So, that being said, take the 37 spins and divide by 16 to get over 2.0. So, it would make sense to wait 3 spins to lose then play from there.
Does this make sense to everybody?
I like hermes' suggestion to play continuously. Since the number set you are betting is random, then you could lose right out of the gate. The loss is there waiting for you, so why not beat it to your profit goal before it reaches you?
Quote from: cps10 on November 10, 2008, 06:17:52 PM
I wanted to put my 2 cents in regarding the continuous play. With a system such as this since you are changing up your numbers with each spin, it makes sense to play continuously. You aren't really waiting for a miss per se.
If you were betting only 16 STATIC numbers, i.e., numbers that you are monitoring for every spin, it would make sense to play this on a wait-and-see basis. Preferably, you have to figure that with the law of the third, these numbers are going to hit at least once per cycle, maybe not. But since you are looking at 12 sleepers per cycle, and betting 16, you have 4 which SHOULD hit. So, that being said, take the 37 spins and divide by 16 to get over 2.0. So, it would make sense to wait 3 spins to lose then play from there.
Does this make sense to everybody?
I like hermes' suggestion to play continuously. Since the number set you are betting is random, then you could lose right out of the gate. The loss is there waiting for you, so why not beat it to your profit goal before it reaches you?
Hi Cps10,
I partly agree with you as I am one of those that hit a loss right on the 1st bet after 5 misses.It may make sense to bet right from the start but you hit the wall easier compare to waiting for misses.I think this needs a better progression so at least we can last a few steps more if we wanna play right from the start.As an expert in progressions,is it posssible to bring in your ladder for this?Or is there any better progression you can suggest?
This system does have some merit
Quote from: see_jerek on November 10, 2008, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: cps10 on November 10, 2008, 06:17:52 PM
I wanted to put my 2 cents in regarding the continuous play. With a system such as this since you are changing up your numbers with each spin, it makes sense to play continuously. You aren't really waiting for a miss per se.
If you were betting only 16 STATIC numbers, i.e., numbers that you are monitoring for every spin, it would make sense to play this on a wait-and-see basis. Preferably, you have to figure that with the law of the third, these numbers are going to hit at least once per cycle, maybe not. But since you are looking at 12 sleepers per cycle, and betting 16, you have 4 which SHOULD hit. So, that being said, take the 37 spins and divide by 16 to get over 2.0. So, it would make sense to wait 3 spins to lose then play from there.
Does this make sense to everybody?
I like hermes' suggestion to play continuously. Since the number set you are betting is random, then you could lose right out of the gate. The loss is there waiting for you, so why not beat it to your profit goal before it reaches you?
Hi Cps10,
I partly agree with you as I am one of those that hit a loss right on the 1st bet after 5 misses.It may make sense to bet right from the start but you hit the wall easier compare to waiting for misses.I think this needs a better progression so at least we can last a few steps more if we wanna play right from the start.As an expert in progressions,is it posssible to bring in your ladder for this?Or is there any better progression you can suggest?
This system does have some merit
see_jerek
It is possible. When you are betting 16 numbers, flat betting isn't a real option I wouldn't think. Unless maybe you used a pluscoup, I don't know. The ladder, when slightly modified could possibly work.
Quote from: cps10 on November 11, 2008, 12:42:38 AM
Quote from: see_jerek on November 10, 2008, 07:05:47 PM
Quote from: cps10 on November 10, 2008, 06:17:52 PM
I wanted to put my 2 cents in regarding the continuous play. With a system such as this since you are changing up your numbers with each spin, it makes sense to play continuously. You aren't really waiting for a miss per se.
If you were betting only 16 STATIC numbers, i.e., numbers that you are monitoring for every spin, it would make sense to play this on a wait-and-see basis. Preferably, you have to figure that with the law of the third, these numbers are going to hit at least once per cycle, maybe not. But since you are looking at 12 sleepers per cycle, and betting 16, you have 4 which SHOULD hit. So, that being said, take the 37 spins and divide by 16 to get over 2.0. So, it would make sense to wait 3 spins to lose then play from there.
Does this make sense to everybody?
I like hermes' suggestion to play continuously. Since the number set you are betting is random, then you could lose right out of the gate. The loss is there waiting for you, so why not beat it to your profit goal before it reaches you?
Hi Cps10,
I partly agree with you as I am one of those that hit a loss right on the 1st bet after 5 misses.It may make sense to bet right from the start but you hit the wall easier compare to waiting for misses.I think this needs a better progression so at least we can last a few steps more if we wanna play right from the start.As an expert in progressions,is it posssible to bring in your ladder for this?Or is there any better progression you can suggest?
This system does have some merit
see_jerek
It is possible. When you are betting 16 numbers, flat betting isn't a real option I wouldn't think. Unless maybe you used a pluscoup, I don't know. The ladder, when slightly modified could possibly work.
Hi cps10,
I will use your approach of betting after 3 misses based on law of the third and do some tests with it.If we bring the ladder in will it be a 9 step ladder? a 9 step ladder will go high on progressions defintely
@gaza, flatbet the system without waiting using rx and your live roulette spins and see what you end up with, i found something quite interesting
Just one question if that is okay...
After you wait for your 4-6 misses and make your first bet, if it doesn't come in,
are you now waiting for another 4-6 misses (like it was said in the first post) or are you
using the progression in the first set of numbers you bet?
Thanks, Darren.
Quote from: darrencasino on November 11, 2008, 06:54:27 AM
Just one question if that is okay...
After you wait for your 4-6 misses and make your first bet, if it doesn't come in,
are you now waiting for another 4-6 misses (like it was said in the first post) or are you
using the progression in the first set of numbers you bet?
Thanks, Darren.
Hi Darren,you wait for misses then you start to bet,of you lose the bet you countinue to bet but this time the 7 neighbours of the last result which is a different set of numbers,You carry on betting until you win within 6 bets or hit the wall.There are two 2 conclusions to this
Quote from: ryan08 on November 11, 2008, 06:25:54 AM
@gaza, flatbet the system without waiting using rx and your live roulette spins and see what you end up with, I found something quite interesting
I have tried RX and my views is it doesnt reflect real results but it seems to be a better bench mark if you use real spins
Thank you, CJ :) I'm going to have a play with this. Appreciated.
@gaza.Can you post yours code in RX? I want to see the result with my eye.
thank
Quote from: see_jerek on November 11, 2008, 04:35:48 AM
Hi cps10,
I will use your approach of betting after 3 misses based on law of the third and do some tests with it.If we bring the ladder in will it be a 9 step ladder? a 9 step ladder will go high on progressions defintely
see_jerek
That is very true. You will need to adjust the progression slightly to make sure you get profits out of it. If you would like for me to try and do that, I would be happy to.
Graverstone
It's in downloads in Rx
Gaza's 15 numbers + progression.
Or do you meen post on this thread as a file??.
But it's not the full system yet!
Still can't cover last 2 numbers, and progressing with the 7 EVA side. But I'll get it.
The rx Gaza's 15 numbers + progression is a way of monitoring this system only, And to have a play with.
Does any body want me to change the progression ,Or the amount of numbers covered
I am keep getting message end of the session
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 11, 2008, 12:00:35 PM
I am keep getting message end of the session
Boo.Ray
Data input
Entre your bankroll 1000
Entre your win goal 5000+
Entre your loss goal 5000+
What level do you want 13 units
Try this let me no????
i have tested this using no waits just betting a progression of 6 then start again if it goes past. it seemed very good at the start in 250 spins i went down -£400 then back up +£2000 all in 250 spins then by the 600th spin it went down to - £1,500 so i think this is abit risky but all we need to do is come up with the perfect progression examples
lets say that 13 is the furvest it has ever been from thousands and thousands of spins i have only seen it go to the 11th but we need to be safe. so we could do any of these example
wait 3 times ---- bet 9 times
wait 5 times ---- bet 8 times
wait 6 times ---- bet 7 times
wait 7 times ---- bet 6 times
the less waits = more profit and less waiting
the more waits = less profit more waitimg
i have been looking at some other things aswell with this type of play e.g just an example the furvest i have seen it go for 3 eva side and the second to last number is 20 spins but that is abit too much to look at at the moment but if we coulsd just find somthing else to wait for it would lower the waiting time and gurentee no losses........
i know i go on abit i got no internet so have to :P ::) ??? 8) :o :( >:( ;D :D ;)
Quote from: luke0407 on November 07, 2008, 06:19:03 PM
'ryan08 is my gay partner' - brilliant! Glad you guys could get together! together you could create the Holy Grail!
i am loving this system, i've been playing using the Hamburg spins and roulette xtreme as my aid. I'm using the idea of hit and run, I play for 100 spins and stop (completing a progression if one occurs on 100) I am waiting for 5 misses and using the progression 1/2/3/6/12/22;
100 spins - +72
100 spins - +160
102 spins - +88
100 spins - +44
100 spins - +86
100 spins - +34
100 spins - +120
100 spins - +62
100 spins - +84
105 spins - +44
100 spins - +68
100 spins - +102
100 spins - +74
100 spins - +96
106 spins - +54
100 spins - +44
100 spins - +82
24 spins - -736
100 spins - +120
100 spins - +116
100 spins - +66
100 spins - +72
100 spins - +48
103 spins - +62
100 spins - +82
total = +1144
i have to say I think this is a fantastic set of results! I know it can go bang - in fact my loss came after very few spins - but after close to 2,500 spins and what others have done I dont think (he says) that anyone has slated this system saying it doesn't work over the long term??
in fact before I get carried away with the rent, food and gas money (see general thread from LS for reference :D) can someone come and PROVE to me that this doesn't produce good results long term. Please if yuo are to do this, do it with fact, evidence of coding or something, not just "it's gambler's fallacy" (as I dont believe it is!) or some other rubbish!
Thanks guys and keep testing!!
Luke
wel done shorty mate i was thinking of something like this like when we have ?wins i say 5 wins in the morning then 5 wins at night. waiting for 5 missis then betting, howver your way of 100spins then stop is good glad yuor winning anyway ;)
this would be good for a 10p minimum table but wont win as much money i would say £10 a hour on a 30secs spin table
wait
wait
wait
wait
wait
0.10p
0.20p
0.30p
0.60p
£1.20
£3----- ihave only ever seen it go to here in 6,00+spins
£6----- others have seen it hit here
£15----- i dont think it will ever get to this bet or maybe once every 10,000 spijs or sothing maybe more or maybe never
and has anyonbody noticed when it goes far in the progression it tends to just repeat the last number because it has pushed itself so much it repeats. i havnt checked it properly but i say 40% of the last step progression is the last number that has just come out.
chatting on agen ;D
Quote from: cps10 on November 11, 2008, 11:10:48 AM
Quote from: see_jerek on November 11, 2008, 04:35:48 AM
Hi cps10,
I will use your approach of betting after 3 misses based on law of the third and do some tests with it.If we bring the ladder in will it be a 9 step ladder? a 9 step ladder will go high on progressions defintely
see_jerek
That is very true. You will need to adjust the progression slightly to make sure you get profits out of it. If you would like for me to try and do that, I would be happy to.
Ok CPS let's see what you can do,my tests with 3 misses tend to hit the wall even easier the only person who test this and havent hit the wall is Ryan he waits for 6 misses.Lets use your experience and whats the best approach for this.
Attached here 8000 spins from bet356,let's do it with live spins,RX spins is never close to the bench mark I feel.If it can work in continous play,it will defintely be a cash cow
Here is hamburg spins test
prog step 13
result: more or less... house edge
Just to give my input for what its worth.I have been using this system for 10 days now(real money /low stakes)......around about 1000 spins and i have trebled my money.In that time I have not gone above progression 5 and only used progression 5 once!!! Maybe Im on a lucky roll but it seems amazing to me!
Quote from: the_spiders_kiss on November 11, 2008, 04:30:28 PM
Just to give my input for what its worth.I have been using this system for 10 days now(real money /low stakes)......around about 1000 spins and I have trebled my money.In that time I have not gone above progression 5 and only used progression 5 once!!! Maybe Im on a lucky roll but it seems amazing to me!
4,5 or 6 misses?
Quite honestly, see_jerek, I think the fact that we are playing 16 numbers, regardless of where they are on the board is going to be tough to master, especially since you are changing the number sets with each spin. If you are going to play 7 neighbors on either side, either you start from the beginning, or you make 15 static numbers and wait 74/15 = 5 spins and then begin betting them all. That's how I would approach it personally. I would then bet them for another 5 spins and if they came up with a loss, then you are down 75 units. Or in the worst case scenario, you apply a gentle progression of
1-1-2-3-5 and be down 180 units.
If you go with the flat-bet situation, maybe you group 5-bet session and look at a Lw registry. I think changing the numbers sets cannot work if you are waiting for misses.
see_jerek..... i am waiting for 5 misses and then playing. Unless the numbers are something like 12....34...12.....34 ....then another number i will then wait for a sixth number(maybe just my funny interpretation there :) )i dont like to play when many of the same numbers cos of fluke but like i say that may just be me.
@gaza .thank alot
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 11, 2008, 03:47:47 PM
Here is hamburg spins test
prog step 13
result: more or less... house edge
How can I get these numbers
nolinks://nolinks.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/DE/622/PermanenzenArchiv.php (nolinks://nolinks.spielbank-wiesbaden.de/DE/622/PermanenzenArchiv.php)
test any larger sample of spins and you will end up the same, because it goes up at first then progression kills you a few times then it goes up a bit and progression kills you a few times and so on
Quote from: Gaza001 on November 10, 2008, 05:41:42 PM
Hi All,
Eureka!!!!!!
I have discovered a way of monitoring this system. I've coded it in rx. It saves lots of time. Just click on the last number in the rx marquee, and it shows you all the next numbers to bet - no time wasted trying to work it out. Eg, last number that came up was number 1. Click on number one on the marquee, and hey presto, the rest of the numbers to bet on will be shown on the table. You just copy them to the playing table. Also, if there are 4 chips showing on each number, you would have lost 4 times. So, as Ryan waits for 6 losers, the table will show 6 on each. This would be the time to start your first progression. I'm going to post this in downloads in rx. The system is called Gaza's 15 numbers + progression. (By the way, the system seems to work well on its own). To everyone who downloads this, will you please check it for me and provide feedback.
When you have loaded it into your rx, go to "designer" open "system editor", scroll down to sentence "Where number 1 has hit each time", then look to right side of column of numbers. the numbers should be the 7 numbers on either side of number 1 on the wheel, (15 numbers in all). Then check number 2, etc, etc. Please let me know if any of these numbers are incorrect.
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Hello everyone I'm new to this forum and would like some help with this download please.
what is RX? and where do I find "designer" and "system editor"
I have downloaded file and when I open it its a list of instructions.
Cheers,
Andrew.
Andrew
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Sam
Sorry for that !!
andrew
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Quote from: andrewpieeater on November 11, 2008, 09:16:54 PM
Quote from: Gaza001 on November 10, 2008, 05:41:42 PM
Hi All,
Eureka!!!!!!
I have discovered a way of monitoring this system. I've coded it in rx. It saves lots of time. Just click on the last number in the rx marquee, and it shows you all the next numbers to bet - no time wasted trying to work it out. Eg, last number that came up was number 1. Click on number one on the marquee, and hey presto, the rest of the numbers to bet on will be shown on the table. You just copy them to the playing table. Also, if there are 4 chips showing on each number, you would have lost 4 times. So, as Ryan waits for 6 losers, the table will show 6 on each. This would be the time to start your first progression. I'm going to post this in downloads in rx. The system is called Gaza's 15 numbers + progression. (By the way, the system seems to work well on its own). To everyone who downloads this, will you please check it for me and provide feedback.
When you have loaded it into your rx, go to "designer" open "system editor", scroll down to sentence "Where number 1 has hit each time", then look to right side of column of numbers. the numbers should be the 7 numbers on either side of number 1 on the wheel, (15 numbers in all). Then check number 2, etc, etc. Please let me know if any of these numbers are incorrect.
Hello everyone I'm new to this forum and would like some help with this download please.
what is RX? and where do I find "designer" and "system editor"
I have downloaded file and when I open it its a list of instructions.
Cheers,
Andrew.
Andrew
Go to dawnloads /Roulette related /page 3/Roulette xtreme 2
I think that's it. I got mine from; nolinks://nolinks.uxsoftware.com/pages/index.html (nolinks://nolinks.uxsoftware.com/pages/index.html)
And it.brill, you can download a trial version 4 free.
Gaza,
Thanks for that - will download and have a look.
Cheers.
Andrew.
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 11, 2008, 03:47:47 PM
Here is hamburg spins test
prog step 13
result: more or less... house edge
Boo-Ray,
Did you wait for 5 misses or is that continuous?
continous, but there is no big diference.. just a longer spread and less profits ant beginning and same kill at the end... it is the same I believe
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 12, 2008, 10:51:29 AM
continous, but there is no big diference.. just a longer spread and less profits ant beginning and same kill at the end... it is the same I believe
This is what I am referring to with the continuous play. I would say there is no difference. The bad streak can happen at any time. I would think it's better to play a continuous series when you are changing your number sets on each bet. Static numbers could use a 5-miss mechanism.
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 12, 2008, 10:51:29 AM
continous, but there is no big diference.. just a longer spread and less profits ant beginning and same kill at the end... it is the same I believe
Over 5000 spins I would of thought it be a big difference. The difference is how many 5 or 6 misses in a row are there compared to how many 10/11/12 misses in a row (depending on the progression used)?
Continuous play is good for sure but if playing this for real $ I would keep my sessions short, hit n run style.
Roules
try waiting for a 6miss to happen, then after that has finished, use a 6 step progression but dont wait for misses, attack the table for 5-10 spins which should give you around 100 units profit, then wait again, this cuts the risk of hitting 2 losses in a row even though i havent seen it happen yet
Guys do it for yourself, I already know the answer...
If method or system doesnt beat hedge it doesnt beat it... No matter if you wait or use only a few steps at prog...
Due to waiting or cutting steps at prog you also miss alot of wins... If you dont believe me, test for your own.. End result over a large sample will be the same.. Prove me wrong, I would love to see winning system..
i had a few wanabe good tests when afte 10k system was up around 5 or 6k, but after 50k spins result was the same.. That doesnt means that systems is good at begining that just tells you that you can be lucky and get on that but in a long term it will lose..
Quote from: ryan08 on November 12, 2008, 10:28:36 PM
try waiting for a 6miss to happen, then after that has finished, use a 6 step progression but dont wait for misses, attack the table for 5-10 spins which should give you around 100 units profit, then wait again, this cuts the risk of hitting 2 losses in a row even though I havent seen it happen yet
Good balance of everything discussed here so far I think Ryan.
Quote from: roules on November 13, 2008, 06:55:07 AM
Quote from: ryan08 on November 12, 2008, 10:28:36 PM
try waiting for a 6miss to happen, then after that has finished, use a 6 step progression but dont wait for misses, attack the table for 5-10 spins which should give you around 100 units profit, then wait again, this cuts the risk of hitting 2 losses in a row even though I havent seen it happen yet
Good balance of everything discussed here so far I think Ryan.
I think the issue here is the timeline I guess I may be wrong but this is an interesting subject and open for all comments and discussions
Example
Play straight without waiting you may hit the wall at maybe 500 spins
Wait for 4 misses and start playing you may hit the wall at 2000 spins
Wait for 6 misses and start playing you may hit the wall at 4000 spins
Or if you are unlucky you will hit the wall straight away on your 1st bet,thats what happen to me.If you wait for 6 misses,you will last longer but you will still hit the wall when the time is ripe.
The best solution is to play hit win target and stop.
Have you noticed something...
In all situations you are gonna hit the wall...
If you have a session limited to 100 units.. and lets say you can do that in 100 spins...
you play 10 sessions that is 1000 spins... you play 100 sessions and there is 10000spins...
but in 10 sessions it is more likely that you are gonna hit the wall atleast once, than any other scenario...
when you think you have some winning sessions and then you once hit the wall you will realise that ratio to wins and loses must be much greater to be ahead...
Like I said.. If you feel lucky, play it but you dont have any edge here...
Ok,thats a shame,but I was afraid that it would come to this.........
lets keep trying...
Best regards Petquesha
If a session target of around 100 is reached each time there's no problem losing one session in ten.
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 13, 2008, 11:09:24 AM
Have you noticed something...
In all situations you are gonna hit the wall...
If you have a session limited to 100 units.. and lets say you can do that in 100 spins...
you play 10 sessions that is 1000 spins... you play 100 sessions and there is 10000spins...
but in 10 sessions it is more likely that you are gonna hit the wall atleast once, than any other scenario...
when you think you have some winning sessions and then you once hit the wall you will realise that ratio to wins and loses must be much greater to be ahead...
Like I said.. If you feel lucky, play it but you dont have any edge here...
Fair comment Boo_Ray [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Any thoughts on how TO get an edge???
Cheers.....[smiley=beer.gif]
super system ;D
Hi everyone.Played a session at Joyland using this system again and won another 100 units there.Tonight i had to use 1x7 progression and there was also 1x6 progression.Would be wary of playing without waiting for the 5 misses even if i do miss afew.....just my opinion...also was nice to see JLS grinding it out in there too !!! :D
Of course I meant VLS lol...sorry for the typo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
Quote from: xman1970 on November 13, 2008, 05:58:24 PM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 13, 2008, 11:09:24 AM
Have you noticed something...
In all situations you are gonna hit the wall...
If you have a session limited to 100 units.. and lets say you can do that in 100 spins...
you play 10 sessions that is 1000 spins... you play 100 sessions and there is 10000spins...
but in 10 sessions it is more likely that you are gonna hit the wall atleast once, than any other scenario...
when you think you have some winning sessions and then you once hit the wall you will realise that ratio to wins and loses must be much greater to be ahead...
Like I said.. If you feel lucky, play it but you dont have any edge here...
Fair comment Boo_Ray [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Any thoughts on how TO get an edge???
Cheers.....[smiley=beer.gif]
How to get edge with this system? proobably dispersion surfing... But you also have some better things
like i said contiues play is rearly not a good idea you will have to rely on lucky for you to finish a session on a profit.
i think this is the perfect system to do i have tested and tested and from everyone help i have tweek it slightly here and there and this i would say is the best way to play the 7 eva side system i have never ever seen it go 13 times without hitting 7 eva side of the last number of the second last number. so here goes..
start with 0.10 stakes
wait
wait
wait
wait
10p
20p
30p
50p
£1
£2
£3
£5------ 0.5% chance of hitting in every 500 wins remember thats wins (this is from all my testing its my view)
30 seconds spins= average £15 per hour
using
wait
wait
wait
wait
£1
£2
£3
35
£10
£20
£30
£50
30 seconds spins = average £150 per hour
this is the way i am going to play this and i know it is safe enough.....
the only thing i have not tested on the way we play is wating 3 times betting 2 times waiting for another 3 waits then betting 2 times and so on and so on
ill have a look... ;)
Quote from: MATTJONO on November 15, 2008, 05:47:32 PM
like I said contiues play is rearly not a good idea you will have to rely on lucky for you to finish a session on a profit.
i think this is the perfect system to do I have tested and tested and from everyone help I have tweek it slightly here and there and this I would say is the best way to play the 7 eva side system I have never ever seen it go 13 times without hitting 7 eva side of the last number of the second last number. so here goes..
start with 0.10 stakes
wait
wait
wait
wait
10p
20p
30p
50p
£1
£2
£3
£5------ 0.5% chance of hitting in every 500 wins remember thats wins (this is from all my testing its my view)
30 seconds spins= average £15 per hour
using
wait
wait
wait
wait
£1
£2
£3
35
£10
£20
£30
£50
30 seconds spins = average £150 per hour
this is the way I am going to play this and I know it is safe enough.....
the only thing I have not tested on the way we play is wating 3 times betting 2 times waiting for another 3 waits then betting 2 times and so on and so on
ill have a look... ;)
Hi Matt,
Seems to be a good idea,less waiting time,hit your win target and go
we could call it MATTJONO's .... the unucky 13 system ...
if it goes 13 time not hitting our system numbers we lose.... even tho we know we will still be in profit because it is so rare
im thinking of looking at just 3 eva side of the last number and the second to last number to see the furvest it would go in my 6,000 spins im testing on i gess it would be 25 times maximum. this could be a extra thing to look at while betting so less waiting time we just need to know the furvwest it has been the we can apply yht e progression and work out the average per hour.... ;)
MATTJONO
Have you got roulette xtreme
ive had a 14 and 16 miss before, the best way i find to play this is, wait for 6 misses, track that untill it wins or loses but no betting, once its done then without waiting play every spin until you have to go higher than 4 in the progression, chances are you should hit another 4 or 5 step before you get another 6, thats your signal to stop betting and wait for the next 6 miss to track, no guarantee this will work but i think you should be able to scrape enough wins before you get a loss
Quote from: ryan08 on November 15, 2008, 06:58:39 PM
ive had a 14 and 16 miss before, the best way I find to play this is, wait for 6 misses, track that untill it wins or loses but no betting, once its done then without waiting play every spin until you have to go higher than 4 in the progression, chances are you should hit another 4 or 5 step before you get another 6, thats your signal to stop betting and wait for the next 6 miss to track, no guarantee this will work but I think you should be able to scrape enough wins before you get a loss
Nice one. Is anyone still using the second last number hit to make it a 16unit bet? I'm still running just the 15 when playing.
Roules
I USE THE EXTRA NUMBER IT HAS SAVED ME A FEW TIMES BUT ITS DOWN TO PREFERENCE WETHER YOU WANT TO USE IT OR NOT
I also use the extra number...it has saved me on 3 occassions...as stated its a personal thing...good luck ;)
3 times in how many bets?
roundabout 1000 bets extra number saved me three times.
Hm yes that is a personal thing that you spend 1000 units for 108 units. It does depend how, it saves you
sorry I was talking spins not bets... amount of bets was 165...sry my mistake
Quote from: Gaza001 on November 15, 2008, 06:26:15 PM
MATTJONO
Have you got roulette xtreme
no m8 what is it. id like to know
ow and im working on somthing. it seems rearly good at hte moment but thats only of 1,000 spins.
ill let everyone know dont worry ;D :D
Quote from: MATTJONO on November 17, 2008, 02:34:20 PM
Quote from: Gaza001 on November 15, 2008, 06:26:15 PM
MATTJONO
Have you got roulette xtreme
no m8 what is it. id like to know
ow and im working on somthing. it seems rearly good at hte moment but thats only of 1,000 spins.
ill let everyone know dont worry ;D :D
It´s known as the pessemistic program that destroys all of your dreams ::)
just witnessed a 13 spin miss @bet365......thankfully was playing another system at the time!!!
I did some more tests on this one, to try out, but sorry to say that all were negative, system failed misrebly, in one session it was 3k down in only 100 spins...
Who ever plays that is lucky to win.. Hoverer you should try to get this system with some consecutive wins, then start betting.. a.k.a the oposite way of playing now
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 19, 2008, 06:37:37 PM
I did some more tests on this one, to try out, but sorry to say that all were negative, system failed misrebly, in one session it was 3k down in only 100 spins...
Who ever plays that is lucky to win.. Hoverer you should try to get this system with some consecutive wins, then start betting.. a.k.a the oposite way of playing now
So change the topic now? ;)
Quote from: Worm on November 20, 2008, 06:35:58 PM
Quote from: Boo_Ray on November 19, 2008, 06:37:37 PM
I did some more tests on this one, to try out, but sorry to say that all were negative, system failed misrebly, in one session it was 3k down in only 100 spins...
Who ever plays that is lucky to win.. Hoverer you should try to get this system with some consecutive wins, then start betting.. a.k.a the oposite way of playing now
So change the topic now? ;)
I guess so mate,let's move on.
@ Mattjono
Thanks for the effort but after much testing this will not work long term.We have to accept it as a fact.Waiting for 5,6 misses or even 10 misses doesnt help,you still end up at the same spot.
Ouch it tanks! :'(
alright guys. im getting some money on april 20th. im going to try out the system, waiting for 4 times then starting the progression. gonna play for an hour a day. will let u know how i get on.
Please talk my word for it,this is not a good way of wasting your money
Hello Mr. Andrew.
[smiley=welcome/welcome.gif] and always remember to test systems extensively before laying your first real-money bet on them.
Thanks for being around.
hmmm. what about roulette checker, where it runs to 9 reds or be blacks and then allows u to place ur bet
hello guys, how do i get dublin bet to place the 7 eva quick enough each time. i obviously can press neighbours but that only gives me 2 eva
dublin bet is too fast for me as well :-[
Quote from: moles40 on April 18, 2009, 03:59:44 AM
dublin bet is too fast for me as well :-[
..I agree!! :thumbsup:
you guys should look into "Macro Express". It's a program that can record your mouse clicks. Can do the betting for you super-fast.
Matt
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