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How mayne ppl belive that casinos can cheat roulette from time to time, always or NEVER ?
I think this is very important for us.
Please just type:
(1) for from time to time
(2) for always
(3) NEVER
thanksgiving to you guys who will help me and yourselvs

u better create a new poll to find out what people think

everyone is free to share opinion

Depends on what you call "cheating". The house edge is basically legal cheating.

Sure some perhaps unlicensed casinos may have cheated in history, in some high stakes game, but the casino already has the house edge. So generally I'd say no, they dont "cheat" if you define cheating as using magnets etc.

You might argue cammegh RRS is cheating too, and where auto wheels change rotor speed after no more bets is called. Thats not really cheating, but it does reduce player confidence and ultimately a casino's revenue.

Steve, thank you very mutch for your detailed answer!

In my country 98% live wheels are rigged.  Magnetized.  Just for the record.

Regards

Drazen

Quote from: psiho2209 on October 17, 2011, 10:36:29 AM
In my country 98% live wheels are rigged.  Magnetized.  Just for the record.

Regards

Drazen

Where are you from psiho ?

Croatia my friend.  Things on Balakn are little different..

Regards

Drazen

The house edge is all they need - Nothing else.

i have never seen a steel ball spun in roulette.

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on October 17, 2011, 01:49:28 PM
The house edge is all they need - Nothing else.

Yes, but too bad for the ones who dont know these things and playing there, casino owners have greed. And their only "house edge" are laws that protects them my friend.

Regards

Drazen

Quote from: psiho2209 on October 17, 2011, 10:36:29 AM
In my country 98% live wheels are rigged.  Magnetized.  Just for the record.

Regards

Drazen

This is a load of BS and how do you come up with 98%?

Ken

Pins,


But I have seen  guys who THINK they  have teflon balls but are   losing oodles  of money and acting smart.That`s why the casinos don`t need steel balls.  :ok:

N.D.

Quote from: Mr J on October 17, 2011, 07:11:38 PM

This is a load of BS and how do you come up with 98%?

Ken

I didnt come up. Casinos and their owners did actualy with help of government.   :punish:

Regards

Drazen

Quote from: psiho2209 on October 17, 2011, 07:34:45 PM
I didnt come up. Casinos and their owners did actualy with help of government.   :punish:

Regards

Drazen

Do you mean by your statement that the   casinos  in cahoots with the  government ADMIT to that 98 % cheating.

No wonder people in othercountries are using the  expression" Balkanization"  for  dubious activities .

N.D.

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on October 17, 2011, 07:55:05 PM
Do you mean by your statement that the   casinos  in cahoots with the  government ADMIT to that 98 % cheating.

No wonder people in othercountries are using the  expression" Balkanization"  for  dubious activities .

N.D.

LOL. Well, Nathan,  let's not hurt our Balkan friends.

Psiho, u r not the first to tell this thing about Croatian roulette, but I wonder, where can we see confirmation of existence of such weird "law" legalizing cheating by casino???? there should be something to google, but I did not find anything special about Croatian roulette laws.

Why would a casino risk losing a contract worth potentially over a billion dollars to cheat people when they already cheat people with the house edge, and they can just ban any consistent winners? They wouldnt. It would only be viable in high stakes environments.

If everyone lost, without any wins, nobody would play. The casino makes its money from the long term losses of all players combined.

This is a pointless discussion. Casinos dont need to cheat illegally. They already cheat legally.

i agree, this Croatian story sounds weird, but that's what many Croats say. Not just one.

who would play roulette in Croatia for God's sake when everybody knows it is rigged officially ? Doesn't make sense to me.

when we lose we look for reasons o the wheel was rigged. the truth is roulette is a unbeatable game. you might win today and tomorrow. but the day will come when you lose the lot. no rigged wheel  when you pick a certain number of winning bets you must then pick a number of losing bets otherwise you would be beating the maths. sad but true.

Dear gents

I already told you, things are little different here. But situation like this is not in EU contries because laws are very strict. Closest to us is Slovenia, and who is at least serious goes there or Nica, Monte Carlo...  I hope this will change when our country becomes member of Eurpean union in 2013.

I understand that all this is almost impossible to belive for you people in "civilized" countries. But my country created word corruption... Dont be silly, all of this is very secret and you dont have any chance or possibility to prove in legal way...  They are all in agreement with country but behind the curtains of course. And they share profits...

Why dont you say this to all of this who are playing in your country? First of all i am not mother Theresa. Second, almost all people would react perfectly same as all of you did: hahaha of course it is rigged when you are losing and the ones who knows these things you wont even see there, so there is no purpose of telling that. One more reason why shouldnt you say or prove things like this is true story how would you eneded. Go into the casino and tell to all that wheels are rigged and the way how do you know that. They would all laugh and you would get applause. Like a hero? hahahaha But your bad luck is that you have to go home, i mean eventualy go outside of the casino. There in the dark, several mega big people will wait for you and they will break you every bone in your body... I am sure you got the point...

How do i know all of this? Maybe i know some things that dont behave like i could lose...  arrgh.. no better like this...two years winnings with something every darn night, and then.... woila! 40 hands in a row against me... which is about 4times NOT POSSIBLE! And again and again and again...  This is true example but only for explanation purposes. Dont even try to ask about his... (and btw after all this confession from one the people in the casino who were kowing about this..)

And now you will say, ok now this is soooo much BS.. You have something like HG and with that you know all wheels are rigged? Hahahahahahahah   :clapping:

That was some kind of trigger to get device that discover these magnets under roulletes. But that is another story... Now go in every casino in my country with that and you will get about 98%

Good luck to all

Regards

Drazen

After that our best luck is

And yes iggiv, this story is already seen about roulettes in Croatia...

Regards

Drazen

EU is going to suck and all of the capitalism, this is just my oppinion. Corruption is all over the world.
And here is my point why I think roulettes are cheated. When I am playing roulette I hear strange noises inside the wheel something like BANG or double BANG and then all people on the table lose. This noise come from time to time and all the time. At the beging I thought The wheels are programed to take garanted lose to gamblers and when the house is feed then they start normal playing of the wheel. I dont know nothing of Crotia so i cant mention anything.

So my conclusion is that Roulette can be beaten with system with 1 or 2 number but we have to play very mutch long term of losing streaks and then to catch 1 or 2 time the expected number.
The other conclusion people dont play roulette its difficult  ;D

I have players in croatia and they've never reported casinos cheating. Nevertheless, sure uncannily unfortunate losses can and and do occur, but careful analysis will likely reveal the losses are within normal expectation. But the gambler's mind makes it out to be more than what it is.... much like how a winner with a long term losing system thinks his system works because he's won in the short term, so far.

Lets not forget the domino effect. Lets say the stories are true and its PUBLIC knowledge. Very, very FEW people would be playing roulette, why would you?

If hardly anyone is playing, the 'take' is less for the casino and alot of roulette tables might even get shut down for lack of action. The casino would lose in the long term (roulette), it makes little sense. Even if it was LEGAL to cheat the customers, the casino would lose out in the long run because word would get around FAST. What goofball would play a rigged roulette wheel?

Ken

It is not public knowledge... because no one can prove it legaly.. and the ones who can and know these things are not mother Theresas.. to go and tell that to all, and ofcourse they could have serious problems...

I told our best luck is that some of us have devices that discover these magnets under roulettes... created just for that.. Why they dont detect magnets under EU roulettes?

Please dont argue with me because i see there is no point..

Regards

Drazen

And of course, that isnt every spin for everyone cheated. Pit boss looks at the camera from his secret room and controls with these magnets when he wants...He doesnt have to do that on regular players who are losing. But when he sees someone is taking good money, or with luck or with knowledge because he is pro... Then he goes and does these things....

I dont care will you belive me or not. i just answered on member-s question. And for God sake why would i be lying about this things in my country and say that is better not to play there but in first neighbour country and all others...

Regards

Drazen

we never said u r lying Psiho. i am absolutely sure that u say the truth how u (and probably many others) really see it.
and i am not saying it is impossible.

QuotePit boss looks at the camera from his secret room and controls with these magnets when he wants...He doesn't have to do that on regular players who are losing. But when he sees someone is taking good money, or with luck or with knowledge because he is pro... Then he goes and does these things....

Have you actually seen this, or are you just speculating?

Not speculation, true facts.

Regards

Drazen

Are there enough tables who are not manipulated at all and never i mean in EU. I am agreed with psiho statement with this 98% of rigged wheel. But in my country maybe they are more than 98%. Some of you guys act like jackass but you know quickly what we are talkin about.

Quote from: psiho2209 on October 20, 2011, 04:06:52 AM
Not speculation, true facts.

Regards

Drazen

That is not true facts. Listen to what is in front of you. Casinos would never risk there licence when they already have a cheat.

Casinos are inspected - do you honestly think casinos would risk this? Make millions or risk getting caught using magnets. Plus, again all the casino needs is the house edge.

Even underground illegal casinos would not cheat at roulette - BECUASE THEY DON'T NEED TOO.

Thinking casinos use magnets, its just a myth and nothing more.

Do some research into advantage play, and you will realize the truth.

Quote from: ReDsQuaD on October 20, 2011, 12:45:57 PM
That is not true facts. Listen to what is in front of you. Casinos would never risk there licence when they already have a cheat.

Casinos are inspected - do you honestly think casinos would risk this? Make millions or risk getting caught using magnets. Plus, again all the casino needs is the house edge.

Even underground illegal casinos would not cheat at roulette - BECUASE THEY DON'T NEED TOO.

Thinking casinos use magnets, its just a myth and nothing more.

Do some research into advantage play, and you will realize the truth.

So why do one roulette table cost so mutch as half mercedess ???

There is no inspection. You cant do anything in legal way. Dont you understand what am i saying to you? Are they going to inspect themself and close their own casinos and put themselfs in jail? It is all hold by mafia.. If you want to have a casino you have to pay them of course very good price, for return they will assure you make enough money for "tax"... Dont you know how mafia works?

By 100th time: physical evidence are devices that some of us are having, just for discovering these magnets... Dont know how many people know about existing of them, and i dont care. It proved me what most people were suspecting all the time... And again, confession to my friend from one of the employees of the casino in which he was cheated, because his father is good friend with him...

Regards

Drazen

Quote from: master_yi on October 20, 2011, 12:53:08 PM
So why do one roulette table cost so mutch as half mercedess ???

Roulette wheel you mean?

So basically what you are saying - Roulette wheels are expensive, so that automatically means its rigged with magnets?

Hmmm..

See here : nolinks://nolinks.tcsjohnhuxley.com/en/live-gaming/roulette-wheels/double-action-roulette.html (nolinks://nolinks.tcsjohnhuxley.com/en/live-gaming/roulette-wheels/double-action-roulette.html)

John huxley the leader in the roulette niche for selling over 6 types of wheels.

Look at the site and you will see the description of each type wheel and the advantages each wheel has over each other.

I don't remember reading anything about magnets when viewing the product description.

And can you imagine john huxly or any other roulette wheel manufacture saying to there clients "By the way do you want magnets with that?"

I don't think so.

John huxly and other wheel manufactures know that magnets are not needed. And again the manufacture are not there to scam people, they are a legal service providing a variety of casino equipment.

Its ridiculus to even think a manufacture like john huxly would provide a service to cheat people out of there hard earned money.

Quote from: psiho2209 on October 20, 2011, 01:19:53 PM
There is no inspection. You cant do anything in legal way. Dont you understand what am I saying to you? Are they going to inspect themself and close their own casinos and put themselfs in jail? It is all hold by mafia.. If you want to have a casino you have to pay them of course very good price, for return they will assure you make enough money for "tax"... Dont you know how mafia works?

We are not in the 60ts anymore. Yes I agree with that statement, but it doesn't work like that anymore. Maybe illegal underground casinos, then yes.

But who in there right mind would gamble at an unlicensed casino? They properly wouldn't.

Most casinos now are chained and government controlled. That's why they are inspected.

Please dont talk about something you dont have a clue. Government is corrupted and that is all...
Magnets are probably instaled after buying, behind the curtains. It is very easy to set that...

And like you dont see what am i saying about devices and confession from a man that said that to my friend.  :punish:

Regards

Drazen

Everyone knows there arent magints under the WHEEL, there are something else that make that game rigged. Why when i look real spins produced more than 20 years ago I always win on them. It is something so sharp and smart. than we cant see. We are in era of technology......

Quote from: psiho2209 on October 20, 2011, 01:58:26 PM
Please dont talk about something you dont have a clue. Government is corrupted and that is all...
Magnets are probably instaled after buying, behind the curtains. It is very easy to set that...

And like you dont see what am I saying about devices and confession from a man that said that to my friend.  :punish:

Regards

Drazen

I know more than you can imagine. I know how to beat the game ad least.

Yes granted governments are corrupted, but what's in it for them to let casinos cheat punters...? Its petty and unnecessary. Only 3rd well countries would do such a thing. But again they don't need too.

Your digging yourself an even deeper whole and you cant turn around. That's my only guess to as why you are coming out with such ridiculous statements.

The reality is that it is YOU who hasn't a clue what they are talking about.


Go do some research on advantage play - You will soon realise casinos do not need to cheat people with magnets.

They already use a legal cheat.

Thank you redsquad for opening my eyes. Will do. i ll go to the adress in your signature and there i know i will find how to beat this game and make my dreams come true. ill be filthy rich. Just as probably you are if you can beat this game.

Good luck

Regards

Drazen

This is a dead end. Drazen is gonna continue to think what he wants.

Ken

STOP TALKING ABOUT MAGNITS
I HAVE SEEN WHAT THERE ARE UNDER THE WHEEL AND IT IS FULL WITH ELECTRONICS SUBJOECT.

So what are they ?????????????

and there are no magnits i havent seen any

Never argue  with a wise man when he has reached the  " biblical age " of 22 the  age of  infinite wisdom. :diablo:

N.D.

Folks, there are different parts of the world out there. There are countries with strict laws enforced on casinos and regular gambling inspections. And there are countries where nobody cares what's goin on in casinos there. if we are talking UK or Germany -- i would agree that illegal cheating by casinos is unlikely there. But there are other countries out there as well with much less strict law enforcement.

Quote from: Nathan Detroit on October 20, 2011, 03:13:14 PM
Never argue  with a wise man when he has reached the  " biblical age " of 22 the  age of  infinite wisdom. :diablo:

N.D.

Lol. Age has nothing to do with it.

All it boils down too is RESEARCH and RESEARCH - Realising the truth and taking advantage of it.

back to our topic. It is very tempting and likely for human nature to cheat to get easy money if u can get away with it easily, when nobody controls u. So if the law enforcement is lousy in some areas of activity  in this specific country and it is very easy to cheat a high roll player sometimes to get lots of easy money safely, why not do it?

QuoteFolks, there are different parts of the world out there. There are countries with strict laws enforced on casinos and regular gambling inspections. And there are countries where nobody cares what's goin on in casinos there. if we are talking UK or Germany -- I would agree that illegal cheating by casinos is unlikely there. But there are other countries out there as well with much less strict law enforcement.

Correct Iggiv. I'll just add that it is very unlikely that a casino would use magnets. They just dont need to, except in a high stakes game and even that is unlikely because they'll risk more. Every country has their own gambling commission, but laws are one thing, and enforcement is another.

psiho2209, you said:

QuoteNot speculation, true facts.

You still didnt say if you'd seen them yourself.

Anyway this discussion is a dead end. I havent seen under these croation wheels myself, but like I said I have players there and nothing that that has been reported.

The bottom line is if the wheels are rigged, dont play there. Report the casino. End of story.

This discuss is over at least concerning me.

@steve

no i havent seen them and i made this all up. case closed  :angry2:

Regards

Drazen

the vote up is lie wheels are rigged.

but sometimes they arent and thats a fact ; )