Hi, sorry for posting here about wheel bias rather than in the specific section but wanted to have it read :biggrin:
My question is if wheel bias can exist on airball roulette wheels (and what's to say it can't?) then how do casinos counteract this if the machines are automated and presumably operating constantly?
A second question is about why certain numbers always seem to be either in the cold or hot numbers section. What explanation could there be that a number is either sleeping for ages or hitting like mad, rather than a less polarised progression? I have seen a couple of numbers like this on an airball machine online (like every time i log on for several days, these numbers either blow hot or cold and always do so together!) and wonder why and if this could be exploited, ie. wait for it to sleep and when it hits, then keep on betting on it to catch it's hitting streak.
:D
Quote from: Red74 on April 03, 2012, 12:59:49 PM
Hi, sorry for posting here about wheel bias rather than in the specific section but wanted to have it read :biggrin:
My question is if wheel bias can exist on airball roulette wheels (and what's to say it can't?) then how do casinos counteract this if the machines are automated and presumably operating constantly?
The physics of an auto wheel and a normal live wheel are the exact same,so yes.
A second question is about why certain numbers always seem to be either in the cold or hot numbers section. What explanation could there be that a number is either sleeping for ages or hitting like mad, rather than a less polarised progression? I have seen a couple of numbers like this on an airball machine online (like every time I log on for several days, these numbers either blow hot or cold and always do so together!) and wonder why and if this could be exploited, ie. wait for it to sleep and when it hits, then keep on betting on it to catch it's hitting streak.
It's not possible to answer this question as there is endless reasons why this is happening. You can't exploit hot numbers, there is either a bias or there is not. If you truly believe there is a bias, then you will need to take thousands of spins.
Problem with this, if its an online Auto wheel, chances are its recalibrated most days.
It is happening cause airball machine repeats certain trends
continously/I play it on almost daily basis-live/as have more then
80000 spins recorded,but it can repeat after 100 or even 500 spins.
For instance 3,27,18,16,24.....then after 100 or more spins it goes
3,27,29,33,5......and there is many such combos happening.
Must have a good eye and readable spreadsheet.You also must know
that every pocket is magnetised and the ball have another still ball
inside plastic one.Have a close look when the ball stops in the pocket.
It stands firm in the middle of the pocket,touching no side walls,but after
the spoon number is anounced it slips down.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2012, 01:27:29 PM
Thanks ReD,
But how do they recalibrate an automated machine that is running 24h/day? Do they have any downtime to do this?
Quote from: mcmonaco on April 03, 2012, 01:56:41 PM
It is happening cause airball machine repeats certain trends
continously/I play it on almost daily basis-live/as have more then
80000 spins recorded,but it can repeat after 100 or even 500 spins.
For instance 3,27,18,16,24.....then after 100 or more spins it goes
3,27,29,33,5......and there is many such combos happening.
Must have a good eye and readable spreadsheet.You also must know
that every pocket is magnetised and the ball have another still ball
inside plastic one.Have a close look when the ball stops in the pocket.
It stands firm in the middle of the pocket,touching no side walls,but after
the spoon number is anounced it slips down.
Hi MC,
Are you saying the results are pre-determined or the trends are just a result of random? Where I play it shows the hottest 7 and coldest 7 numbers. Often the coldest have hit 1.4% in last 500 spins and the hottest around 4.4%. These machines also seem to hit consecutive numbers more frequently than chance alone, often seeing this happen twice in 30 spins. Do you play trends and is this profitable for you?
Quote from: Red74 on April 03, 2012, 02:46:05 PM
Thanks ReD,
But how do they recalibrate an automated machine that is running 24h/day? Do they have any downtime to do this?
These types of wheels running 24/7 will have built in self calibrating mechanism. Casinos would not ever ever not calibrate there wheels or they are open to all kind of threats.
Has anyone seen a dealer or inspector put a spirit level over the wheel? Happened on Dublinbet a few days ago. If the wheel is tilted, the ball behaviour can become more predictable. They certainly don't do it for the fun it
Quote from: Red74 on April 03, 2012, 02:46:05 PM
Thanks ReD,
But how do they recalibrate an automated machine that is running 24h/day? Do they have any downtime to do this?
they don't at all......bias here doesn't matter.....they only come and fix if some
of the windows/8 here/is not functioning.
Quote from: Red74 on April 03, 2012, 02:52:10 PM
Hi MC,
Are you saying the results are pre-determined or the trends are just a result of random? Where I play it shows the hottest 7 and coldest 7 numbers. Often the coldest have hit 1.4% in last 500 spins and the hottest around 4.4%. These machines also seem to hit consecutive numbers more frequently than chance alone, often seeing this happen twice in 30 spins. Do you play trends and is this profitable for you?
---Yes they are pre-determined 100%.......throughout the playing daily session
I usually guess 6-8 numbers that will come out,loudly that other players can hear it
/even thought I don't play it/and some have made good profits only waiting for my
voice...Lol......I play continously 18 numbers E/C bet and always win...not much but
daily needs.And not inside 18 numbers.
Quote from: mcmonaco on April 03, 2012, 03:23:27 PM
they don't at all......bias here doesn't matter.....they only come and fix if some
of the windows/8 here/is not functioning.
Ok I made that all up for the hell of it.
Mcmonaco, this topic is not relevant to Outside bet players because they/you are in a an entire different world, far from the true facts. Outside bet players cannot possibly answer your questions Red because they are outside bet players. And that is no offence to anyone, its simply the truth .
I suggest you do your own research into this and find out your self.
Hope this helps.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2012, 03:35:09 PM
Ok I made that all up for the hell of it.
Mcmonaco, this topic is not relevant to Outside bet players because they/you are in a an entire different world, far from the true facts. Outside bet players cannot possibly answer your questions Red because they are outside bet players. And that is no offence to anyone, its simply the truth .
I suggest you do your own research into this and find out your self.
Hope this helps.
---Can't grasp what you mean.....but I'm outside player due to my
long research of airball machine and have found out that most repeats
come on outside play...which,can't reveal this as it may not function
on the machine anybody else play on.
Quote from: mcmonaco on April 03, 2012, 04:03:29 PM
---Can't grasp what you mean.....but I'm outside player due to my
long research of airball machine and have found out that most repeats
come on outside play...which,can't reveal this as it may not function
on the machine anybody else play on.
--Now I got what you meant,about fixing the wheel.
Here where I come from they really don't,as know that
from the first hand.
Quote from: mcmonaco on April 03, 2012, 04:07:55 PM
--Now I got what you meant,about fixing the wheel.
Here where I come from they really don't,as know that
from the first hand.
I never said it was fixed. I said there is a mechanism that can change the physics of the wheel, in other words, reset it.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2012, 04:32:38 PM
I never said it was fixed. I said there is a mechanism that can change the physics of the wheel, in other words, reset it.
Nothing changes mechanism of the wheel/airball machine/as it is all pre-deter.
they change discs/have seen it many times/something like HDD on your computer
and they do it always each monday/am closely watching this for few years now/
morning.That is how they reset/not the wheel/putting new set of numbers in the
machine computer......Wheel,itself,they never touch.....I'm boiled and fried there
every morning...for years now.
I think you have got very confused. We are not talking about RNG computer roulette.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2012, 05:35:17 PM
I think you have got very confused. We are not talking about RNG computer roulette.
-not confused....thats exactly what is there
in these airball machines my friend.
One couldn't imagine it is possible,but take
my word it is so.
Quote from: mcmonaco on April 03, 2012, 05:58:06 PM
-not confused....thats exactly what is there
in these airball machines my friend.
One couldn't imagine it is possible,but take
my word it is so.
Sorry but you are not making any sense.
--Sorry too...thought you wouldn't understand.
but never mind don't blame you.You should investigate
and find out....that is what I did,remember more then
80000 spins stored.Doesn't it tells you something.
And when/if/you do above it will make sense.
The reason for confusion is because we are on two different levels from each other. From what i have read, you are suggesting a compact disk can recalibrate/reset a wheel? We are talking about a real wheel not RNG.
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 03, 2012, 06:38:51 PM
The reason for confusion is because we are on two different levels from each other. From what I have read, you are suggesting a compact disk can recalibrate/reset a wheel? We are talking about a real wheel not RNG.
My friend it really seems we are on diff.levels.
A compact disc is new set of pre-det.numbers
and it CAN NOT FAIL.....maybe we should talk about this privately.
Not a place to talk about this.For now good night.
I would be wasting my time to carry on with this.
A computer controls the rotor speed and the predetrmined time the air jets pushes the ball, but it does not mean that the computer is able to predict or control neither the outcome numbers or the colours on the even chances. As an extra random factor the machine can be programmed to give the ball 1 or multiple extra "air pushes" after no more bets are called.
Besides the physic reasons for it, you would never get the machine sold to the casinos, or approved by the gaming commisiion. Imagine what would happen if randomness was not a part of the game and what would happen if a losing punter through the patent office was able to prove that the machine was rigged and not random. He could sue the casino and win, Basicly all punters could do that.
Its a myth (new one) which is very easy to dismiss by the casinos, gaming commisions and the wheel manufacturer.
--Am sure it is so where you come from,but not
Balkan(ever heard of it)6 ex Yugoslav countries,
no gaming commision there,no control whatsoever,
all corrupted and tables(live and automated) rigged.
Sounds incredible but it is true,Kelly...above and all
previously said.
Find out who the wheel manufacturer is and its possible to find the tech on it. I doubt you will find special tech constructions for the mafia and casino owners at the balkans.
Besides, the simple physichs makes it impossible to predict colours even if you can predetermine the the finish of the air push to the ball. As for the ball behaviour in the pocktes, try read the tech explanations at the patents. Its an air ball machine.....
--And why do you think the pockets are magnetised,
and the plastic ball have another still smaller ball inside.
I'm following this phenomena for several years now and
cause of it riggid behaviour am on top.I go there as if
I was going to take some cash with my card on bankomat.
Wee got acquainted in the meantime,wheel and me Lol..
There are plenty of things going on below the rotor and other places inside an airball machine but magnets are not a part of it. Its not nessecary. Stepper motors, air nozzels and air passages to the pockets etc.
Dear Kelly I know it all(concerning not riggid machines)but could you explain this;
When the ball drops in the pocket(airball or live wheel)it stops where???or better,
where it must stop?????
In this case it stops exactly in the middle of the pocket with askew base(physically
it should stop in the bottom of the pocket)not touching side walls and after anouncment of the number spoon
it goes to the bottom of the pocket and eventually under a rotor inside.
How is machine you are(if)playing behaving.Does this explain anything.
I will tray and safe-screen it tomorrow so you can see this phenomen.
*removed by mod*
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 04, 2012, 03:15:49 PM
*removed by mod*
You dear kid wouldn't have a clue what's going
on in here.To explain something to laymen is
impossible mission.
Its been a while since a have played the air ball machines simply because of the NMB is too early but what you see is not uncommon. It dont have to mean anything, but try to take some pictures if you can do it without getting knee cap`d or getting a horse head thrown in your bed.
Quote from: mcmonaco on April 04, 2012, 03:34:07 PM
You dear kid wouldn't have a clue what's going
on in here.To explain something to laymen is
impossible mission.
Lol, coming from the a guy who thinks magnets are being used to rigg the game. Aww bless.
Oh and justify shit as much as you like. I go by facts, *removed by mod. Again?? *
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 04, 2012, 04:31:58 PM
Lol, coming from the a guy who thinks magnets are being used to rigg the game. Aww bless.
I don't think but know it,but how would you find it out.
Never kid,cause roulette for you is only fun,for me, living,
travel,money.Get it now you chump.
Ok Ok your'e right. I made it all up, I'm clueless, you know everything about the game, sorry my mistake!
Yes, I play roulette for fun and clean toilets during the day. This is my life.
Mcmonaco, I'm desperate to beat roulette, can you please show me how?
would really appreciate it. Cheers mate.
Settle down please guys
How about I take that airball machine and crack it over your heads! :punish:
Quote from: ReDsQuaD on April 04, 2012, 05:16:28 PM
Ok Ok your'e right. I made it all up, I'm clueless, you know everything about the game, sorry my mistake!
Yes, I play roulette for fun and clean toilets during the day. This is my life.
Mcmonaco, I'm desperate to beat roulette, can you please show me how?
would really appreciate it. Cheers mate.
--You are so transparent to me.Know where you come from and what you are about.
And the reason why.Neither a third party won't disturb me cause am smarter then both of you.
In other words your *modified by mod. please behave!* Bombus didn't upset me neither.What a theatre.
I was gonna crack it over ReDsQuaD's head first...anyway...
*Said in parrot voice*...
I used to think I was a parrot...but I'm alright now.
I used to think I was a parrot...but I'm alright now.
I used to think I was a parrot...but I'm alright now.
I used to think I was a parrot...but I'm alright now.
I used to think I was a parrot...but I'm alright now.
I used to think I was a parrot...but I'm alright now.
I used to think I was a parrot...but I'm alright now.
...
:biggrin:
all this is not funny. I so am tired of people which are not capable of normal discussion without calling names. Why get personal? U don't agree with each other, what is the problem? It's normal
RedSquad stop asking for trouble, i am pretty tired with your behaviour. I am warning u. U create too many troubles and give too many promises which u easily break, i can ban u any time. And don't u think that Steve will protect u so much. He basically agrees with me on this matter.
U can't understand things while getting too kind treatment. U think of it as of weakness.
So better be quiet and don't argue. And i am talking not out of personal ego, but rather out of desire to keep this forum clean of things like ones u like to say.