Enough is enough...

[GogoCro]

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[VLSroulette]

This is another Rigged Sic-Bo device.

Anyone recognizes similar Sic Bo models from the online casinos?

Rigged /Loaded /Magic /Trick Sic Bo video and instructions

At least casinowebcam still goes the manual way, but they simply put the terms so they won't pay to consistent winners.

Any attempt to win is fraudulent!

- Attempts by the player to circumvent the normal odds of the game played via electronic or other methods,

Using a progression is cheating:

- Using a system of progressive betting for example on Roulette over an extended period of play,

Heck, even observing the game is fraud! :

- and/or employing playing methods, including but not limited to the following; such as observing and/or recording deal outcomes over a period of time via login to Casinowebcam and/or Licensee sites,

If they suspect you are using any, then:

- In such cases ALL such Player Accounts will be subject to seizure by Casinowebcam and Prosecution will be followed to the fullest extent of the Law.

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Of course, they don't really need to prove anything to anyone, they only need to SUSPECT as you are winning against the expected game odds, -cough- "commiting fraud" in their lingo I mean:

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- This player has to be cheating.
- How do we know?
- He is winning!

...These are good times for casino owners it seems.

[LON]

Also in my casino after a lot of hours of observation I saw this:

When there was a time during play that Casino was losing a lot of money because in the past 7-10 spins a lot of players with heavy bets were wining and the table was –
In the next 2-3 spins IF only 1 number was without bet.... this number was coming!!!!
(In my opinion this was so the table to take the money back)

So what I did?

I was standing there and when I was observing that NOW the table has lost a lot...

I was betting the 1-2-3 Numbers without bets when the dealer was saying NMB!!!

4 times I did it!!!

3 of them I won!!!!

I really think that Casinos don t let everything in LUCK!

[simon]

you wouldn't find a wheel like that at any of the regular casinos in the U.S. because the wheel in the video has no diamonds, no scatter effect.  when watching a real, professional expensive wheel it is easy to see how the ball lands, scatters and bounces into whatever pocket and where I play the roulette tables are so crowded and there are so many chips all over the board it would serve no purpose for the dealer to try and figure out where the least chips are and try to hit that spot or for the casino to try and cheat people when the house edge does the job so well.  however I suppose this sort of thing does go on somehow somewhere, which is very unfortunate, considering how difficult it is to make any $ playing against a fair wheel, nevermind an unfair wheel, especially in the U.S. where we have to contend with 2 zeroes and no en prison rule in most places.

[elmo]

you are right about some of the stupid terms and conditions Victor.

like....

   observing and/or recording deal outcomes over a period of time,  
or

Using a system of progressive betting on Roulette over an extended period of play,

What a joke. Bet365 have similar terms and conditions.

What they really want is for you to login, take a 100% bonus and play the high variance slots where you have to wager your deposit and bonus 30x. = NO CHANCE.

For the few that do win, you will wait ages for your money and they will probably suspect you for defrauding them because you had the audacity to win.

[elmo]

At the same time, you can either look at things positively or negatively and I take this as an admission that the casinos know that given a fair game (less the house advantage) players can determine what happens to them  depending on the skill and discipline they use in selecting their bets.

[GogoCro]

What a joke. Bet365 have similar terms and conditions.

What similar rules are in bet365? Can you give example?

[iboba]

you wouldn't find a wheel like that at any of the regular casinos in the U.S. because the wheel in the video has no diamonds, no scatter effect.  when watching a real, professional expensive wheel it is easy to see how the ball lands, scatters and bounces into whatever pocket and where I play the roulette tables are so crowded and there are so many chips all over the board it would serve no purpose for the dealer to try and figure out where the least chips are and try to hit that spot or for the casino to try and cheat people when the house edge does the job so well.  however I suppose this sort of thing does go on somehow somewhere, which is very unfortunate, considering how difficult it is to make any $ playing against a fair wheel, nevermind an unfair wheel, especially in the U.S. where we have to contend with 2 zeroes and no en prison rule in most places.

Simon dear,
They will never do such things in crowded and full table of chips casinos,but in small casinos/take in cosideration recesion,and here in Europe casino bus.went down 50%or more/they have not enough regular players and they are bound to any possible tricks to take your money.
The question is how are they doing it??Ppl.look around your selfs,electronic devices,universe is remotedly run...
and now one bloody wheel could not be run remotely.I will soon do a test/as am possesing original wheel/will pay
best electronic guy in my place to do it on my wheel.Soon will informe you about these results.......Iboba

[elmo]

They don't go into so much detail but state that if they suspect you are a "professional player" then they have the right to void any winnings. I also assume they prohibit bots by stating "The use of any external auto-play software is not permitted and can lead to the cancellation of any bonuses and winnings attributable to those bonuses"
I can see how a live casino would prohibit bots and yet an RNG casino would probably encourage them as they will screw your progression bets. All in all, it is worth the effort to get to a land based casino if you can and give a lot of these internet sites a miss. Even then if something does not feel right, don't play or go somewhere else. I suppose at the end of the day if you are a "pro" or "semi-pro" or whatever, it is your responsibility to make sure you are getting a fair game and there is no point crying about spilt milk once the damage has been done.

[VLSroulette]

I stand corrected.

Casinowebcam.com used to have this MANUAL sic bo machine which the girls would manually move/operate, on which the dice fell naturally and gravity chose the winners:

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They dropped the manual sicbo for the more "efficient" tiny machine and now they even conceal the machine with a golden covert in between results, so you must only pray the results are not rigged as you can't even see how the dice fall:

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[Number Six]

Surely concealing the device is illegal? That is an absolute disgrace. Where in the name of all that's holy do these idiots get these crazy...no stupid, ideas? Yet they know, particularly in these difficult times, that people will still play the game because most are desperate for what they think is easy money. Really they're getting screwed by these casino crooks and they're happy to take it.

[TwoCatSam]

I've asked this question before and I'll ask it again:  Whom are the casinos cheating?

Before the spin, is there a computer screen which shows the majority of the bets for this spin are on black so they hit red?  Do they always hit where the least is bet?  How else could they do it?

They couldn't possibly single out one player, could they?  Just because you're winning, doesn't mean some other guy is not betting just the opposite of you and loosing far more than you're winning.  So if they stopped you from winning X they would stop him from loosing X + X. 

This whole thread just makes me sick!  We don't even know if we can beat a fair game, and now we may be playing against a rigged game.  What's the use?

Sam

[Number Six]

LOL! I just saw that casino web cam is headquartered in Costa Rica, where they can legally screw you with no government blowback. That sums it all up. They are definitely crooks. They actually have a licence to rob the players.

[iboba]

Take it easy Sam,
It's not good for herc,and for few days will tell you if it is possible or not.

[VLSroulette]

Sam, please regard this as "conspiracy theories" only. Please.

Our hourly rants if you wish  

Those rigged machines are out there, we can't pretend they are not, but at the same time, we have to do our best to get peace of mind our local casino games aren't rigged.

My pick is illegal operators remain illegal and they do not comply with laws, never pay taxes on their gambling operations nor get checked by any country's gambling commission. So those are clearly the ones to avoid.

What the heck are the punters doing by playing at such places!!! The legal, reputable, REGULATED casinos (online and offline) are the only viable option for the serious player.

If I remember right, U.K. has regulation on online casinos; also on Ireland you can go to Dublinbet.com's physical facilities and they have to comply with local gaming laws.

Whom are the casinos cheating?

Assuming a cheating schenario, I may only dare to think in VOLUME BETS.

It is the casino, they only care about net gains. They couldn't care less about who is winning and who is losing as long as their compound/gross amount is the higher one; so shall they compute anything, it has to be the overall bets, never those of a single player.



The question still remains: why covert a device that is fair?  

How would they answer that? Perhaps claiming they are coverting a perfectly fair dice machine just to add some more "mistery" to the next result... to give more thrill to the Sic Bo players...

Anyway they excuse it, I expect they won't place a dark thick-blanket on roulette in between spins just for the sake of adding Thrill/Mistery!

[VLSroulette]

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