Enough is enough...

[TwoCatSam]

From Harry Potter book:  "It is not a good idea to leave a dragon out of your equation if one lives nearby."  More or less......

We must consider the way they can cheat.  Like it or not.

Sam

[VLSroulette]

Sam, I've captured a video from SmartLiveCasino (I know you can't get in, being USA-based), so you can get to see the air-operated machine's mechanism footage.

"Look ma, no hands!"

Smart live casino's Roulette - Look ma, no hands!

(At one point I had to keep hitting refresh for the video to go on as the connection was flaky)

Please notice: I'm NOT claiming they cheat, but let's think about it; if they have the ability to manipulate air streams with enough strength to lift the ball from the disc, and control it to make it rotate enough for meeting the required amount of revolutions without any extra helping hand (literally), they sure can lift the ball to the next pocket shall they need a bit of extra "help" with the nets/gross income (given they get the shady morals).

Just thinking out loud here, but the thought of the machine moving the ball at will for their own benefit isn't crazy; the air-based mechanism for ball control is already there, taking bets now.

[Bo0Merang]

lool you  give me headache with  that but im lucky  person actualy im  changing dayly 4 orr 5 air ball roulette table ... they more easy then live wheel for me..dont know for others but if they manipulate outcome i  do not write this so i dont think so  they do and any littlebit skilled player will see that something isnt ok if they do manipulate wheel ...... hope so im  not meet  the  beast )))atleast i will know wery  early  what s goin on...but nice to know

[VLSroulette]

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Just captured videos from the tiny screens on their main page (crappy resolution, but slightly different angle):

Smartlive Roulette 02

Smartlive Roulette 03

[VLSroulette]

Hey dear Bo0Merang, I'm just expressing some opinions, it is "conspiration theory" time!

Well, taking advantage of tonight's video capture spree, I did this one from the more possible cheaters as they blatantly conceal how the dice move (What a cute dealer though!):

Sick bo - Casinowebcam's Sic Bo game

True: no cheating is proved, but by hiding how the device operates, they do give room for reasonable doubt to arise.

Regards.

[VLSroulette]

After studying this, the wheel looks to be moving very slowly.  There is almost no bounce when the ball strikes the wheel.  On the US models, the center of the wheel is pushed up and the ball falls inside.  Its shot out into the track by air.  When it hits the wheel it often bounces off the glass because the wheel is moving fast.

I agree the rotor speed is more likely like that  to prevent a violent bounce as you say, but ball scatter isn't necessarily cut short for all spins. Some spins it does land very far from strike point.  

I do not have performed the extensive ball scatter analysis but perhaps the rotor speed helps some form of AP to take advantage of the machine; if some characteristics are consistent, I'm sure they can be exploited by those who put the time, savviness and data-collecting effort.

By the way, as are into advantage play, can we talk about "air/etheric dealer signature" on those devices???

As we can observe, with the one used by Smart Live, ball lifting/release point is consistent.

[Bo0Merang]

  from Vic   True: no cheating is proved, but by hiding how the device operates, they do give room for reasonable doubt to arise.

Regards.
      to be honest im  not living  in  dream but this what i see  mean  hiding device  which turn  game ofcourse better orr maximal odss winning for casino this take  my breath,i do  not play  sic bo and i thing i never will paly any  dice game if is this possible there were we  newer know ) no  dices   just lovely ball small one fast rotating and possibly green colorred  and hitting dominant  daimond on  one  place ... there you  can t make  mystake but with dice??? shuter will wrong sleep,HIDING device and i loose  pants  eeeeee  eee  casinos  are  for  making money to players not  for  them this  is one thing which i was  hardly  and truly  learn so honestly guys no dice i swear to  good if  i see this orr if i discover that they  cheat me  i  know i will finish in  jail  but they    will  remember long time that cheating breed cheating

[vito7]

  We discuss a lot here about these, possible cheatings and magnets and all

  I am very paranoid myself,
sometimes it seems as if the ball get really attracted by something
when it gets in the slot. Anyway...
Dear Iboba, if you are convinced of this, continuing to play would be senseless

or you planning to sue the casino?
By the way, that story was so funny, that guy grabbing three balls
and people of the casino telling him "please, give them back, we will lose the job".

I would have been a hell of a scene if it was in a comic movie

[iboba]

  We discuss a lot here about these, possible cheatings and magnets and all

  I am very paranoid myself,
sometimes it seems as if the ball get really attracted by something
when it gets in the slot. Anyway...
Dear Iboba, if you are convinced of this, continuing to play would be senseless

or you planning to sue the casino?
By the way, that story was so funny, that guy grabbing three balls
and people of the casino telling him "please, give them back, we will lose the job".

I would have been a hell of a scene if it was in a comic movie

I'm not convinced in this as yet,but will soon know for sure.
In my bloody country you can't sue or fight with the government.
.......................................................................Iboba

[vito7]

  It's funny, Iboba.

I would really love to know where you are from.

Seems we are from the same country

[iboba]

  It's funny, Iboba.

I would really love to know where you are from.

Seems we are from the same country

From your avatar it seems you are from Monte Negro,Boka.
I'm 900 km. west on the same sea.

[Nathan Detroit]

Iboba,

Have you ever been to that casino at Budvo, Montenegro where they filmed " Casino Royale".

[iboba]

Iboba,

Have you ever been to that casino at Budvo, Montenegro where they filmed " Casino Royale".

No I haven't my friend,as it was only for foreign players,not for ex.yugo people.
.............................Regards Iboba

[vito7]

  Yes, HEavy, that's the general opinion here in my country.

But, since I am still winning, I am still ok with that

[Bo0Merang]

  Yes, HEavy, that's the general opinion here in my country.

But, since I am still winning, I am still ok with that

eyy Vito i have good friend  on Podgorica loool world is  small ))

[Bo0Merang]

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