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[Ka2]

Their "tactics" could be simple. The algorithm just looks at your bets with the least amount of payout (or none) and "spins" that number.

But "WHEN" this happens is difficult to answer. I'm sure it doesnt happen every spin. Like you said, the RNG have losses to.

[Jish]

RNG dosent cheat why would a casino that already has guaranteed profits cheat when it has so so much to lose

[Proofreaders2000]

On most "fun mode"  RNG software, you're on a loop of about 2000 spins programmed combination.

In "real mode" its about 5000. Those parameters change also as you have found, depending of "where" you constantly bet on the table and/or combination used. It's been programmed to "detect" any type of continual betting frequency. E.G. place    17 individual bets on 17 numbers and leave them there for any length of time without changing them, and watch, as on each spin, the ball avoids your 17 numbers a high percentage of the time. Once the program has detected your betting type, it adjusts accordingly so you'll eventually lose your bankroll....--Eagle, Rouletteforum

[MATTJONO]

Hi all, 

Better safe than sorry i say.

in the first thew years playing roulette, the amount of times i have been playing roulette on r.n.g or the bookies machines.....       === getting carried away like covering all the board exept one number by accident  and bang it lands on that uncovered number or a number with very little payout.

Another downfall of mine in the early days jumping on a run of R,B,R,B,R,B,R,B,R  AND BETTING PROGRESSION until it stops TO WIN 1 UNITS      ===BIG MISTAKE ON R.N.G (in my opinion)



however r.n.g does produce some attractive patterns for a 1-3 number bets

examples of what id play

....11,23,  ID BET SINGLE NUMBER 4 and 35

....4,22,35,16,23,14,30, BET 24 NEXT...or the full street..



MATTJONO
just forget progressions on r.n.g and play sesible and try quiting when ahead...

[Ka2]

Thats the problem with the general consensus on this forum I think. All systems/strategy's on this forum are based on the same theoretical probabilities. So it would be impossible to proof something based on probabilities alone. You would need straight facts.

[Ka2]

@ Ka.
This is a forum ?   What has FACTS got to do with it ?
Theorys abound here.  No proof.
This is a fun place.  Liven up

Ofcourse! I was merely responding on the question of the rng was cheating or not. 

Regarding FACTS I personaly think its a bit weird to go over the same info over and over again, once the investigated material has PROFEN not to work.

But hey, if that's your idea of having fun, be my guest!   

[iggiv]

Mr. No_More_Bets

You are so smart in your remarks, Sir. So damn smart that I never have seen even one productive posting from you, where u discussed something in detail or give some concrete ideas. Usually it is just an arrogant  "teaching" well known things or showing us how dumb we are compared with u.

Now about my things -- I have never pretended to be smarter than I am. I am not a mathematician (though I do have university degree, it doesn't matter), and I have never learned probability theory in detail. I am not going to break my head on how Playtech RNG programming works, I am sure much brighter minds created it. And my experience in roulette is not very long.  I am able however to compare playtech RNG and live wheel diffeence in behaviour though.  So I dismiss your DEMANDS.

I can assume though u keep arguing even without a small piece of practical knowlegde about Playtech RNG (practical I mean -- U HAVE NEVER TRIED PLAYTECH RNG IN REAL MODE, HAVE U? I AM SURE U HAVEN'T). So please before arguing -- do a very simple thing. Since you are well known  here as a brilliant professional roulette gambler which owns Holy Grail formula, an amount of 50 bucks or pounds must be nothing for u. Please open
an account in any Playtech casino with RNG minimal bet of 10 cents and play with your Holy Grail formula there for a couple of hours, just the same way you play roulette. And please tell about your experiences HONESTLY. if this game is fair and the same as regular roulette.

Any person which has spent some time (as me) on playtech RNG and live roulette wheel, and can compare results, would probably agree with me, not with u.

I repeat -- I don't have theoretical knowledge and desire to discover HOW playtech RNG can track player patterns. But the truth is it does, anyone who practically experienced it, would agree with me for sure.

talking my "paranoya" -- Betvoyager RNG is a completely different story, it DOES NOT  track player patterns.

hehehe..

You want the TRUTH.. ?

You couldn't handle the truth...!

Look, my point is a simple one.

If Playtech (or indeed ANY online Casino) uses pattern recognition to 'cheat',

Their algorithm must follow identical tactics regardless of your LOSER system, right ?

I mean it has NO conscience, right ?

It is after all, only a mathematical algorithm ?

So, devise a SIMPLE technique to determine Playtech's 'cheating' maths.

Then, PREDICT Playtech's expected next 'cheating' spin (using your best 'guesstimate')

Don't tell me 'WHAT' they'll spin, just 'WHEN' (according to your best PREDICTion).

Back your conspiracy theory up with REAL tangible evidence,

100% Verifiable..!

And then we'll ALL ride a big black limo into court...

[iggiv]

Mr No_More_Bets

here i found for u something, can u argue with this?

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/roulette-coding-zone/custom-roulette-bots/msg39773/#msg39773

this posting is by Alarian
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Quote from: esoito on February 17, 2009, 01:19:40 AM

" I've read many comments in various forums that very clearly warn against using RNG casinos because results are not truly random. They advise using live online casinos instead."


I've worked as a programmer for Playtech, one of the (surprisingly few) companies that develops a certified Online Casino Software. I can assure you that the above statement is absolutely true.
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[No More Bets]

Their "tactics" could be simple. The algorithm just looks at your bets with the least amount of payout (or none) and "spins" that number.

But "WHEN" this happens is difficult to answer. I'm sure it doesn't happen every spin. Like you said, the RNG have losses to.

I agree with you Ka2, the issue lacks clarity.

Emotion takes over from logical argument.


@ iggiv

You seem determined to launch an unprovoked attack against me.

I'm actually on your side, but whereas you seek conspiracy, I hunt out LOGIC.

Your clumsy argument appears somewhat 'cloudy'.

With no tangible PROOF, all you have is hollow conspiracies and conjecture.

Over the years, I've won (and LOST!) money both online and offline.

Losing spins are a part our beloved Game, ask any experienced forum member.

Even my Holy Grail system has losing spins !

I take my losses with a smile, and a philosophical approach.

It is NEVER a personal matter for me.

Lighten up.

Roulette has NO conscience.

Even the dumbest 'systems' can win money.

You need to let go of your NEGATIVE belief system..

It does nothing to serve you.

Embrace the beautiful indifference of the Game..

Take your wins like a man,

Take your losses in the same spirit.

Its ALL good.

[Just_Gabe]

@iggiv : I've managed to win consistently in the long term in playtech's RNG.

[No More Bets]

@iggiv : I've managed to win consistently in the long term in playtech's RNG.

You're not alone..

What newbie gamblers have a hard time admitting is simply this...

While they may have LOST a session, their bankroll was actually AHEAD at some point ..

Then GREED inevitably took over and....  (well, you know the rest..!)

[iggiv]

Mr No_More_Bets

I can assure u, I did not have any desire to carry out any personal attacks against u (I am against any personal attacks). It is the same matter as u sarcastically look at my point of view, I sarcastically looked at yours. Just the same, no more than this. If I found some of your postings unproductive -- it is not a personal attack against u. I don't have anything against u on a personnel level. But also please understand: when u promise to disclose Holy Grail here to some selected members, and then nothing comes out of it for everyone, I doubt that u will be a great subject of brotherly love here. "Put up or shut up" -- this is what U told me once. And if this a joke about your HG formula -- then this kind of jokes  is out of fashion here. People take this game seriously as much as I know.  

U should also agree that trying to beat a product of quite a few brilliant programmers work (as Playtech software no doubt is) is not a smart idea for an average outsider as u suggest it to me. This is a VERY COMPLICATED software indeed with a VERY COMPLICATED tracking and algortithms.
If u have skills of Garry Kasparov who was able to defeat a chess computer then yes, it should be a piece of cake for u. Unfortunately I don't have such skills.

u r wrong about my negative attitude though. It is pretty positive. It is just a pure fact that Playtech arlorithm is very complicated and hard to defeat. And I guess it is hard to prove. And as much as I know where Playtech is based it is pretty safe for them to be from legal point of view. No conspiracy there. Pay attention, that they did not
locate their HQ in UK with their strict laws about gambling.

[iggiv]

@iggiv : I've managed to win consistently in the long term in playtech's RNG.

then can u share your knowlegde please? thank you!  And u can't deny that your approach is quite indeed different than playing with the Live wheel, isn't it?

[iggiv]

You're not alone..

What newbie gamblers have a hard time admitting is simply this...

While they may have LOST a session, their bankroll was actually AHEAD at some point ..

Then GREED inevitably took over and....  (well, you know the rest..!)

Mr No-More-Bets u r quite a stabborn character. Could u please clarify --
did you or did u not _play playtech RNG with the same methods as u play regular roulette game_ ?

YES OR NO?


now if u are talking about my greed and my bankroll, could u please explain, why I got a problem with playtech RNG but not with their live wheel or with betvoyager RNG? do u really believe that my personal greed and money management problems suddenly become an issue with Playtech RNG exclusively?

[No More Bets]

then can u share your knowlegde please? thank you! 

WTF ?

Why should he divulge his hard work ?

You LOVE the fruit of another man's labour,

But you HATE cultivating the tree of your OWN knowledge..!

Sit under YOUR barren tree and THINK..!

Maybe some juicy fruit will 'drop' on your head.

It worked for Isaac Newton..

[No More Bets]

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