Miro Zirdum is a scammer and liar (fake name FORESTER). Report him.

[Zindrod]

Steve whatever

did anyone else here have a computer? any computer.

I am interested to know especially if anyone made any money with any computer or even visual ballistics.   so far I think it is all bullshit except maybe some wheels you can never find are ok.   I dont think it is realistic.   send me a message if you like I wont tell anyone if you want

Hi Teldon,

first of all. When you played with this computer did you play correctly? I ask because you do not seem to believe that money can be made with VB either.

Be 100% honest when you answer these questions.

1) Did you track the wheel you were playing? Or did you just walk in and start playing?
1.1) If you did track it what did you track?
2) What was your bankroll and how many numbers did you play per spin?
3) Did you allow for CW and CCW calculations? (Maybe two DD's one for each direction)
4) Did you make any mistakes when playing? Maybe missing a number that should of been covered.

When it comes to VB (and computers I assume) alot of pre-preparation has to be done. This is very important. One does not just walk in and start betting. There are alot of factors that have to be considered. AP is the only proven method of beating roulette in the longterm. That does not mean that it is easy. Alot of hard work has to go into it.

From your posts where you ask if anyone has won with VB I can see that you are inexperienced. Not that I am attacking you. I can understand your frustration but I have to point out that I'm 99% sure you didn't approach this right. Remember If you use VB or a computer, which pretty much does the same, you could effectively loose much quicker than your average Joe playing his mother's birthday numbers if you do not take everything into consideration. In short. There are no quick fixes with AP. You have to put in the work and prepare properly. Only then will you consistantly start showing positive results.

On another note. If you do everything right, you will be amazed how quickly you can generate profits.

Warm regards
Z

[telden]

1. I did everything right. I find good wheel with smallest bounce I can find and good dominant pins. Just nothing like in dvd forester supply. his dvd is not like real wheels

2. I played many different times with different bankroll. Some scatter showed needed to bet 8 numbers sometimes 5 sometimes 12. That was not the problem the scatter was very weak. I did hundreds of spins

3. Of course I allow for ccw and cw directions

4. I did perfect on dvds I did everything right. Nobody else make any money I speak to other players on ff forester forum. Never one. Zilch. Just he says someo people are making money but we can never speak to them and they are afraid to go on the forum. Bullshit. He is a scammer. I am not stupid other users never make a cent i find and we are not all just stupid

Ok you can win on very wheels easy to beat but where? I am not new with roulette and find vb is more versatile than ff computer.

The problem was not me. It was a computer that does not work away from home. The zap was impossible to use in the real casino for most of the times and when I could see predictions they were not accurate.

vb is exactly the same as foresters computers. viper at ff forum said it many times and was right. if you pay anything to use a computer and can do better with vb you waste your money

[ReDsQuaD]

1. I did everything right. I find good wheel with smallest bounce I can find and good dominant pins. Just nothing like in dvd forester supply. his dvd is not like real wheels

2. I played many different times with different bankroll. Some scatter showed needed to bet 8 numbers sometimes 5 sometimes 12. That was not the problem the scatter was very weak. I did hundreds of spins

3. Of course I allow for ccw and cw directions

4. I did perfect on dvds I did everything right. Nobody else make any money I speak to other players on ff forester forum. Never one. Zilch. Just he says someo people are making money but we can never speak to them and they are afraid to go on the forum. Bullshit. He is a scammer. I am not stupid other users never make a cent I find and we are not all just stupid

Ok you can win on very wheels easy to beat but where? I am not new with roulette and find vb is more versatile than ff computer.

The problem was not me. It was a computer that does not work away from home. The zap was impossible to use in the real casino for most of the times and when I could see predictions they were not accurate.

vb is exactly the same as foresters computers. viper at ff forum said it many times and was right. if you pay anything to use a computer and can do better with vb you waste your money

Hey. From what I have researched, Forester is not a scammer, how ever hes old version of computers are very poor, hence the price of $500.

He is now selling hes computers for around 1-2 k. But this is still cheap.

If you want to invest in a computer that works, I recomend you pay Steve a visit.

Steve's computers are NOT bogus.

James.

[Zindrod]

1. I did everything right. I find good wheel with smallest bounce I can find and good dominant pins. Just nothing like in dvd forester supply. his dvd is not like real wheels

2. I played many different times with different bankroll. Some scatter showed needed to bet 8 numbers sometimes 5 sometimes 12. That was not the problem the scatter was very weak. I did hundreds of spins

3. Of course I allow for ccw and cw directions

4. I did perfect on dvds I did everything right. Nobody else make any money I speak to other players on ff forester forum. Never one. Zilch. Just he says someo people are making money but we can never speak to them and they are afraid to go on the forum. Bullshit. He is a scammer. I am not stupid other users never make a cent I find and we are not all just stupid

Ok you can win on very wheels easy to beat but where? I am not new with roulette and find vb is more versatile than ff computer.

The problem was not me. It was a computer that does not work away from home. The zap was impossible to use in the real casino for most of the times and when I could see predictions they were not accurate.

vb is exactly the same as foresters computers. viper at ff forum said it many times and was right. if you pay anything to use a computer and can do better with vb you waste your money

You say that Forester's computer does not work. Yet in your last sentence you say that vb is exactly the same as his computers. So you are saying that vb does not work?

You mention scatter very loosely. Did you do a full scatter chart? His FFZ works on the basis of timing wheel speed then ball deceleration and on a tilted wheel all very very justified method. I have spoken to some guys with FFV and FFZ and FFA. They tell me it works fine. Viper you referred to is not only back at Forester's site but helped with newest 'viper' program which as I understand is damn deadly.

It is easy to attack others and blame others to hide one's own dificiencies. I'm not looking for a fight, I'm just saying.

You say you are experienced and have played vb for years. You then ask if anyone has won consistantly with vb. That means you have not. So you obviously are not doing it correctly. I win on a consistant basis.

warm regards
Z

[Steve]

I dont consider forester a "scammer", but from first-hand experience I know he misleads people about many things. I dont have the energy to get into it all again. My only interest with him is addressing his false claims about me

[telden]

I have to be clear what I mean. forester says many of his users are making money. I never spoke to one of them that is.   I just read about how one is making so much money they cant get through airport terminals.  what is the money falling out his pockets??  I only hear about these phantoms that are just too scared to speak to anyone at the forum.   Nobody I know from forum speaks to them either.

does anyone really believe it and is born yesterday?   Maybe other people were born yesterday.  that is what I call a gifted scammer.  people believe him??  Its bullshit.   Last time was just before christams.  did he need a lift in sales to buy presents so made up a winning person??  that is why I say he is a scammer and very smart one.  I really am a honest person and I say what I really think and am fair to say I really think he is not telling the truth. is it strange that nobody can speak to these winners?

I cant visit Steve and I can learn nothing from his videos they can be faked by anybody.   it is too much to pay on faith and it looks like hes are the same anyway and do nothing to help bad scatter.  if I said what I think of him I would be banned and I also saw his system

zinrod foresters computers work but only on dvd like I said.   they dont work I mean on real wheels.   I never got any good results with real wheels in the casino.

I know vb works on dvd or wheel that I can never find and then you have other problems to implement the computer.   the easy days are over unless you have time to look at 100 wheels all to make a small profit then get banned.   I just never find one person that is making money with it.   Just we all have same problem with good on dvd and bad in casino.

my scatter diagrams had at least 30 sometimes more than 50 spins in each direction.   the scatter was too much.   I did everything right.   the problem insofar I can see is not anything viper fixes.  

is viper program deadly accurate at what??   The ff before the viper was supposed to be deadly accurate too but even with new viper I still see people talking but not doing

I am not giving up completely playing roulette and still look for good conditions but I give up on computers and prefer vb because it is more suitable for changing conditions and I dont need a computer to replicate what it does.  

A well skilled vb player is better than any roulette computer and people should save their money.  using a computer you introduce new problems that you easily work with using vb with some skill. Until I hear someone is really making constant profits with viper instead of a uncontactable winner who has so much cash he cant go through airport terminals, I will stick to vb because it does the same thing and I dont need to cheat.  

who cant get a reference point to know when ball has around 5 revolutions to go.   thats what viper was saying and was right.

we are all looking to beat roulette so I would really like to be wrong but I have put too much time and work into testing and just found foresters ff is not viable in my conditions

[Zindrod]

Ok. The thing is just that scatter is scatter. Whether you use a RC or vb. The strike number is what is important.

Do you play traditional VB?

warm regards
Z

[Steve]

Telden:

1. Actually read the information at nolinks.roulette-computers.com/comparison.htm

2. You have never seen my system. All you could have seen is the primordials document - primordial because it is introductory. The basics. If you dont actually read the available information, you wont know any better.

3. True that scatter on modern wheels is much harder to beat than "easy wheels". So what is your definition of scatter? Like forester's or barnett's version, is it merely whatever happens once the ball falls? Wouldnt that be a little presumptuous? Incomplete? Simplistic?

forester's computers are simply:

a. Find ball drop time, exactly like you do with vb (remaining revolutions)
b. Find rotor orientation at that time

That's it. Nothing else. That's why you get identical results if you apply reasonable vb. His computers are more VB aids that modern computers. Anyone who doesn't know about them would be impressed when they get great accuracy on his dvds, but then find reality when they play on a real wheel.

There is point set for his later versions of FFA, but it is a complete waste of time unless you can get predictions so late that you cant even bet. He knew this, and I said it many times, which is exactly why he created the viper program. The viper program is simply the computer says the ball time, and you need to make sense of it then apply it. It is better than the old point set because you dont rely on just one spin, but there is a much, much better way of doing it. My computers can do it a similar way as an option (manually), automatically, or with a completely different method. Eventually he'll abandon his "point set" for something different but better. I know because I've been through the development myself.

But as far as the "point set" thing goes, see nolinks.roulettesystemanalysis.com/m/ffar7.wmv - my computer has had this capability for years. On that note I've had AUTOMATED roulette computers for years too (nolinks.hybridroulettecomputer.com), . I could go on and on about it, but do your research.

To call forester a scammer outright is not correct imo. Essentially he offers very basic roulette computers that emulate what VB does. Anyone who understands such basic algorithms would understand they literally can be coded in an hour or so. My computers have literally taken many thousands of hours to develop, test, and code - and that's just the software element. I'm not counting hardware's firmware or hardware itself which involve very heavy development to make a suitable platform.

please do proper research before assuming and accusing. If you believe rubbish that is written and dont do your own investigations, what you think you know is limited to garbage from others have an interest in lying or misleading people.

There is so much more to prediction that solely strike diamond. Much more is needed.

[Psolaras]

Steve his latest FFA software doesn t have Pont Set.
So I think you should better investigate properly and then post your impressions.

Can your RC avoid 90% of the spins that will not hit the DD...and all this on a modern Casino wheel???
Absolutelly not!

[Steve]

Psolaras, his viper program uses an alternative to point set. And that is note the ball timings and what the ball does, then isolate. I read even his own player said doing what is required is like wearing a t-short saying "I'm using a computer". I've explained it many times. If you havent read it, please do

Can your RC avoid 90% of the spins that will not hit the DD...and all this on a modern Casino wheel???
Absolutelly not!

See nolinks://nolinks.roulettesystemanalysis.com/m/ffar7.wmv and nolinks.roulette-computers.com/comparison.htm oh and nolinks://nolinks.roulettesystemanalysis.com/m/diamond.wmv

Notice I use real spins, not dvd. And note how early predictions are. Also dont forget the wheel used has a velstone ball track, which has ball chattering towards the end of the spin which makes things harder. Perhaps use ffa on the same spins and compare results

Like I said many times, my computer has had this capability for many years. Like I said many times, my computer now does something even better than the typical diamond targeting. Even my very first computer had this ability. Please do better research.

[Psolaras]

Do you know that the Viper program can also predict in ANY revolution??? 

[Steve]

Again, my computer has had that capability since DAY ONE. He made such a big deal over what should be a mundane thing, he even made a colourful name for it . . . the "unlimited". Anything else you'd like to say?..

Back then, forester said it was impossible to do. Then many years later, he implemented a "patch" to do it, by assuming the ball deceleration was linear, when it is not. My computers use the actual proper curve.

I suggest read nolinks.roulette-computers.com/comparison.htm and save us both time.

[Psolaras]

Steve I have seen your videos with your RC predictions.....
The diamond strikes and the ofset of predictions are ALL RANDOM........

If you like to play with someone play with someone with NO knowledje and expirience in Ap.

[Steve]

what makes them random?

[Psolaras]

I already told you !

The relation between the Strike point number and the outcome.........

If the RC doesn t predict in a steady OFSET we can t have prediction......same with VB
I can play Randomly without an RC...thanks 

[Psolaras]

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