Higher BR?

[Mr J]

"And if you change even money position how do you know that it wont get the same way as your previous distribution - is there a difference?" >>> Can you clear that up?

Ken

[Mr J]

I guess this is a debate of short term vs. long term. Do I think it matters? No but thats fine.

We'll say it looks like this >> RLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL

Both players will be betting on the last outcome. Both want to catch a streak of the same that just hit! With me so far? Player 'A' is STRICT with his beliefs/rules. He stays on the example above and has LOST on every spin but tough s**t, those are his rules.

Player 'B' (myself) can see that it gets choppy (we'll say around the 5th loss) and EITHER switches his bet to odd/even OR takes a short break, no betting.

So you are saying, at the end of the day/month, BOTH players will finish around the same (both will bet the same unit size)? No damn way.

Ken

[I have cookies]

"And if you change even money position how do you know that it wont get the same way as your previous distribution - is there a difference?" >>> Can you clear that up?

Ken

Yes I can.
My question is do you use any kind of pattern or trigger or do you just random jump over to other even money distribution if you see that the previous one is not working for you ?
And no matter what the answer is - do you believe there is a difference doing so ?

Cheers

[Mr J]

I dont know if you posted your last thing while I was still typing? I SWITCH to odd/even if things get choppy with red/black. Same....if its choppy with odd/even, back to red/black. As far as 'choppy', its kind of open to interpretation. 5 losses in a row, 4 out of 6 losses etc......CHOPPY.


Ken

[I have cookies]

I guess this is a debate of short term vs. long term. Do I think it matters? No but thats fine.

We'll say it looks like this >> RLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRLRL

Both players will be betting on the last outcome. Both want to catch a streak of the same that just hit! With me so far? Player 'A' is STRICT with his beliefs/rules. He stays on the example above and has LOST on every spin but tough s**t, those are his rules.

Player 'B' (myself) can see that it gets choppy (we'll say around the 5th loss) and EITHER switches his bet to odd/even OR takes a short break, no betting.

So you are saying, at the end of the day/month, BOTH players will finish around the same (both will bet the same unit size)? No damn way.

Ken

Ken the best result i succeed to get with even money is random against random using one static rule.
But i will say i don't play roulette systems and i wish you the best.

[Mr J]

I'm not even sure its a system (or method), its seems more of a strategy. Not trying to argue with you but here is the situation. With my example above, a person can not say that both players will FINISH differently AND ALSO SAY......it makes no difference which EC you choose or why. I catch people doing things like this all the time. They want to be on both sides of the fence. Not saying you, I'm speaking in general terms. A person can not have BOTH opinions with my above example. If they say......"Correct Ken, both players will not finish the same".

That would open the floodgates. Why? Because that means that one strategy COULD be better than another strategy and we ALL KNOW......you are not allowed to do 'well' playing roulette, we are all doomed if we play this game. 

Ken

[Mike]

But how are you coming up with the math not knowing how/when/why a player would choose a certain EC?

Ken

You've got me there. There isn't any math which can tell you that. But the math DOES say there isn't any difference in the end which bet selection you use, because your pattern of wins and losses will always be like this:

W ~ 50%
WW ~ 25%
WWW ~ 12.5%
WWWW ~ 6.25%

etc, and exactly the same pattern for the losses.

L ~ 50%
LL ~ 25%
LLL ~ 12.5%
LLLL ~ 6.25%

If you've had 23 straight winning sessions so far, that's pretty good. Is there an advantage to switching and following the trend? the math says no and personally I don't believe so, but that's Gizmo's department.

[Mike]

a person can not say that both players will FINISH differently AND ALSO SAY......it makes no difference which EC you choose or why.

That would open the floodgates. Why? Because that means that one strategy COULD be better than another strategy and we ALL KNOW......you are not allowed to do 'well' playing roulette, we are all doomed if we play this game. 

I would always say the end result is the same, no matter what your choice of bet. This is based on the math, my experience and testing, the fact that no-one has demonstrated any different.. etc

I agree, you have to be consistent.

[keel44]

I think most people want bankroll growth if they are playing with a lower bankroll.  They would be happy with slowly creeping along.  People who want to grow a bankroll hope they can by doing the same thing over and over again.  Their bet selection and mindset are different than the high rollers. 

Mr. J you are right your aim for $600 profit.  $600 is $600.  If you have the bankroll of course.



Playing longer versus playing shorter really is irrelevant.  It all depends on bet selections.  I firmly agree with Gizmo that entering trends is the best way to go.  Switch it up....visualize....and switch it up again......leave with a profit. 

If anyone thinks there are hard and fast rules, are being static, while the outcomes are free flowing.  Flow with the outcomes baby.




KEEL

[Mr J]

"Mr. J you are right your aim for $600 profit" >>> Half correct. More important, I think I am right to only aim for 3 units on the EC's.

Ken

[MauiSunset]

My money management is totally different:

I'm going back to Vegas at the end of April (for my birthday); will be there for 3 nights of gambling.

I decide, at the last moment, how much to bring.  Let's say I decide to bring $1,500, or $500 per night.

I bring $500 in cash with me to the casino and it is in my left pocket.  Since this time I'm going to play both Black Jack and Roulette I'll plunk down $300 at the $5 BJ table or machine.  $200 will go to Roulette.

My goal is to replace that money with the casino's money.  When I make about 25% in BJ I get up and cash out.  The profits go in my right pocket and $300 will go back to the table.  Once I double my BR I then bet more aggressive and drink a lot more - I'm using the casino's money for my entertainment.

Any money, in my right pock, won never get's used for gambling ever again - into the stock portfolio it goes.  I have a special entertainment portfolio that is just used for trips to Maui, Vegas, and anywhere we want to spend the casino's money

Basically I risk the entertainment money once, for gambling, and any winnings go on for further entertainment, but never gambled again.

Roulette is going to be different - I will try many techniques I've learned in the past 2 months and see what happens - that $200 is my R&D money.

Substitute any amount of money you want for the numbers I gave - they are just for illustration.

You guys sound like gamblers, I try to manage my money like an investment that generates a return; both in cash and entertainment.  I appreciate money and fight for every dollar I wager and win.

Just a different way of looking at gambling - but one I find fulfilling.....

[pins]

if you have a small bankroll. play at the one dollar table.  its equal to 500 hundred at the five dollar table. or 1000 at the ten dollar table. if you canot win at the one dollar what chance have you at the five, some days you get lucky.

[schoenpoetser]

Mr J  Now you change the rules.You wrote both players play the same system.I stay in my answer after along time they bust both.It is said so many there is no system that can beat the roulette.Only a skill player with a strategy can be profitable.There is no mathematical way to solve the riddle.

[Mr J]

"You wrote both players play the same system" >>> ?

[schoenpoetser]

Ïs there a difference between method and system???.I am curious of your clear solution of the riddle.

[schoenpoetser]

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