Hey guys - you can get a $10 metronome application for iPhones that has a vibrate function. So you can set it to vibrate, say every 2 seconds. Sounds like a cheap and easy thumper to me (assuming you own an iPhone).
Do you think that a casino could detect this? ???
you can get it free.. (assuming that your iPhone is jailbroken + AppSync)
thanks, i didnt know that. Do you think a casino would detect a regular pulse emitted from an iphone?
Don't even think about going in with something that emits beeping sounds or a flashing light.
A friend was using a vibrating metronome wristwatch once (which looks like a regular wristwatch) that suddenly starting emitting a rhythmic flashing light that caught the pit boss' attention. He got a ban. Also don't rhythmically tap your feet on the floor while staring at the wheel. - They don't know how/if all this stuff works, but they know it's used for visual ballistics play and they DON'T welcome that especially if you're also betting sectors and winning.
Use only vibrations and have the device concealed.
If ever they find out about it, just say somebody was calling and you didn't want to pick up while at the table. If asked about anything AP-related, just say "Huh?".
Thanks NS - that is very helpful. Having thought about some of the macro issues, i'm now thinking about some of the micro practicalities of implementing VB. Dodging the interest of the casino staff is one of those issues.
The thing i like about a iphone metronome is that you can easily choose when to start the thumper (from with a pocket obviously) by hitting the iphone screen. I feel this would give more accuracy. EG to get wheel speed you can start the thumper when zero aligns with the central rotor, and count the number of pockets (to the half pocket) until the first vibration. This way you control the stafrt of the clocking process and it should reduce some of the inaccuracies?
Yes it would obviously be better to be able to start the thumping at a chosen point. You can also try to develop an accurate headcount and be no longer dependent on any device.
Example:
1,2,3,4 (1 second)
1,2,3,4 (2 seconds)
1,2,3,4 (3 seconds)
etc.
or:
1,2,3
1,2,3
1,2,3
etc.
(the emphasis on "1" helps keep a good rhythm)
Whatever suits you best. Pick one counting method and practice it for a while. You'd have full control over when to start and when to stop the count.
Also don't rhythmically tap your feet on the floor while staring at the wheel. - They don't know how/if all this stuff works, but they know it's used for visual ballistics play>>>
ROFLMAO!! The 'real' winners say don't do Vaudeville acts in the casino, you'll be banned. You can't make this stuff up, folks.. Vaudeville: 'light often comic theatrical acts frequently combining pantomime, dialogue, dancing, and song'
:lol: :lol:
Quote from: Spike! on August 13, 2010, 02:40:53 AM
ROFLMAO!! The 'real' winners... blah blah blah...
:lol: :lol:
Predictability© 2010 Spike:lazy:
Spike has never had any counter measures against his winning streaks. Kind of sums it up.
Lol!
Suplemental good advice: Don't wear tap shoes while rythmically tapping your feet while staring into the wheel. If you do, have a cane with you so you can go into a song and dance number.. LOL
never had any counter measures against his winning streaks. >>>
Thats rather the point of consistantly winning, not drawing attention to your yourself. Big 'DUH'....
I don`t know what you are doing in a iPhone thumper thread, but if you win 72% of your bets you WILL draw attention even if you play small stakes on the EC`s. Its only in your imaginary world that works without being noticed.
Quote from: Kelly on August 14, 2010, 01:10:22 AM
I don`t know what you are doing in a iPhone thumper thread, but if you win 72% of your bets you WILL draw attention even if you play small stakes on the EC`s. Its only in your imaginary world that works without being noticed.
As I've said a hundred times, I play almost nothing but airball and RR now, no pit to notice you. On real tables I'm not there long enough for anybody to care...
And you don`t think they have track on whats happening on the airball machines. They got EVERY spot in the casino covered. I would even think twice about picking my nose in the mens room.
Quote from: Kelly on August 14, 2010, 02:12:36 AM
And you don`t think they have track on whats happening on the airball machines. They got EVERY spot in the casino covered. I would even think twice about picking my nose in the mens room.
They don't even think roulette can be beaten, let alone assign somebody to look at the hundreds of players everyday to see if somebody is consistantly winning. Get real. You apparently have no idea what really happens in security.
Quote from: Spike! on August 14, 2010, 02:59:53 AM
They don't even think roulette can be beaten, let alone assign somebody to look at the hundreds of players everyday to see if somebody is consistantly winning. Get real. You apparently have no idea what really happens in security.
Ok thanks. Now piss off. You contribute nothing here.
Well thanks to NS there is actualy no need for me to post as I assume it would be a wast of time.
I qoute:
1,2,3
1,2,3
1,2,3
etc.
(the emphasis on "1" helps keep a good rhythm)
( Embrace early or late 1.0 with 10ms difference with no delay with good rhythm)
This is very good method and a skill wish every one can devleop and master.
The issue is that you don´t know how to key the norm and that is why it is a waste of time.
I many 100 with head count and using adudio software with microphone and stopwatch.
The secret is to embrace 1.0 secound with out a delay and embrace with early or late 10 ms.
Deadly accurate and the common misstake many does is to fource them self being at 1.0 wish create a delay and is not accurate.
The feel for the loop is a skill ...
O_o
I agreee cookies, oviously accuracy is everything. Especially with estimating the wheel speed. Inaccuracies with the estimate of the wheel speed get magnified when you estimate the ball speed based on a given wheel speed.
In a laboratory you would est wheel and ball speeds independently of each other. But in practice, ie looking for 2x crossover patterns etc, you are basing ball speed off an established wheel speed - therefore wheel speed is critical.
Having said that, minimising errors in estimating ball speed is important too! :biggrin:
Quote from: NS on August 14, 2010, 08:42:14 AM
Ok thanks. Now piss off. You contribute nothing here.
Have you taken over Jean-Claud's old job of bitter forum member? Congratulations..
If one uses the thumper for the rotor speed, it can be measured pretty accurately. There is really no reason for errors and there ain`t errors if it as been practiced a lot. If one have errors in both rotor and ball speed using a thumper, its back to potty training before hitting the casino. I don`t think that many people uses cross overs, since the accoustic method is much simpler, or a mixture like simply learning the ball speed, aka Kaisan, who does not consider knowing a specific ball speed a huge thing, just another part of the essentials.
Every wheel is different, and many have characteristics that can aid vb application. Like on jafco's site, the point of sudden deceleration - common and easy to use, although the ball rarely plonks down with no bounce unlike jafco's videos.
I always say it starts with wheel selection. You need to understand the wheel and where the edge comes from, then identify how to use it in a practical sense.
Ok now you've got me stumped. Just checked out Jafco site. I know he's probably got quite a tilt on the wheel, but i tried to understand the acoustics and didnt have much luck. I assume i'm listening for the change in sound? Anymore info to help understand the acoustic method? If you can perceive the change in sound, you dont know the original speed of the ball, so the change in sound wont tell you how long the balll has to go??
I must be lissing sonmething. I searched acoustic on here and didnt get much. Any ideas?? :)
Shasta try to PM ns for some help and see what happens ...
There i still some members here wish could open up the door for you ...
O_o
The sound you are looking for appears at the same ball speed, roughly. It will tell you that you have reached a certain ball revoloution measured from behind. The initial ball speed doesnt matter, what you are looking for is the remaining amount of ball revoloutions. When the change of sound occurs you are in a particular ball revoloution and you wait for the ball to pass your reference point for the current rotor speed. (different rotor speeds = different reference points). Then read the number and place your bet.
On newer wheels, the change in sound is not as distinct as it is on older wheels. At the new Costa Brava casino they run with black Abbiatis with a silk smooth sound in the ball track. The sound change is still there, even the dealers reacts on it, but it takes a bit of practice to notice it. The casino opened at the 1 July so the wheels are still brand new. No bias, trust me. VB also out of the question. Yet. Abbiati seems to have some sort of crusade against advantage players and San Remo is no exception with plenty of Abbiatis but i found a small opening here, this summer. Tough nuts, but playable with a bit of patience.
Quote from: Kelly on August 14, 2010, 02:12:36 AM
And you don`t think they have track on whats happening on the airball machines. They got EVERY spot in the casino covered. I would even think twice about picking my nose in the mens room.
They have more information on airball that on any other roulette tables..
Spike did you know that every spin and all bets for that spin must be recorded then sent to central server? Without that casinos arent even alowed to operate airball table.. Thinking that you are not being watched while playing airball is just your ilusion..
Back to iphone.. Small vibes in your pocket can't be detected, ofcourse that means when you arent pressing your pocket on a table or rubbing a pit boss xD
People use wireless earpieces and they get undetected.. Somwhere here you can even listen to your iPod and nobody will give a flying about that..
Thanks BooRay and Kelly and others. Very interesting and helpful!
shasta