Why do people claim Roulette is unbeatable, when it definetly is?

[Kelly]

A clear indicator that you guys have spent too much time on roulette boards is when you think that the only ones who don`t believe roulette can be beaten using past spins as "clues" is the math egg heads. In fact, the entire population outside these tiny roulette boards don`t believe you can beat roulette. Any parent who finds his 19 year old son burried in papers with roulette systems and testing spins from wiesbaden will lock the family funds and hide all cash available in the house.

Any clue from past spins that triggers you to make a bet, is gamblers fallacy.  It does not affect future spins, but affects your bets, can`t you guys see a flaw here ?  It tells you to go in one direction, but does not tell the future spins to go with you.

If you can play roulette without looking at the score board, not even the last fallen number, then you play freely.  The dealers and pit bosses will always make jokes about system players and people with note pads (when they think you don`t hear it because they still want your wagers), but they respect the high roller who sometimes wins big and sometimes loses big.  He is the real player and not a pathetic system player in their world. 

I wonder what you guys teaches your kids ?  Hey boy, you can`t hang out with your mates before you have done your daily roulette session.  Im not counting Kaisan in here, because he was driving a Lamborghini bought from winnings when he was teaching his son VB.

[Spike!]

Any clue from past spins that triggers you to make a bet, is gamblers fallacy.>

I certainly hope so, everything I do is based on gamblers fallacy.

>>but they respect the high roller who sometimes wins big and sometimes loses big.  He is the real player and not a pathetic system player in their world.>

LOL! Thats what I yearn for, the respect of some jerk casino employee's that I wouldn't let wax my car, let alone be friends with. Do you know how big a loser you have to be to work in the pit of a casino? Loser Deluxe..

>I wonder what you guys teaches your kids ? >>

I have offered to teach my kids but my oldest daughter is allergic to cigarette smoke and hates casinos, my youngest daughter could care less about gambling and my son is a career officer in the AF. Oh well..

[Kelly]

I will repeat:
It does not affect future spins,  We both agree on that.

but affects your bets,  We both agree on that because you say so.

It means you have taken direction but the spins hasen`t because they act like the past hasn`t happened.  It does not affect future spins Can`t you see you have been contradicting yourself for 5 years ?

[Jean-Claud]

So MrJ , Spike and Gizmotron have all found a consistent winning bet!!!!

[Spike!]

>>It means you have taken direction but the spins hasen`t because they act like the past hasn`t happened.>>

Past spins are a roadmap to future spins. They point you in the right direction. Clues to what might be coming next.

[Bayes]

Can`t you see you have been contradicting yourself for 5 years ?

It seems not. 

[Mr J]

Thank God for gamblers fallacy!  Ken

[Spike!]

Gamblers Fallacy is the only reliable method that consistantly wins at roulette. The joke is on somebody, thats for sure...

[Kelly]

Bollocks spike.  You say the past spins is a road map to future spins.

So if the past 20 spins looks like road map A it points to A and if it looks like road map B it leads to B.  Which means that if you change the past spins you also change the future spins, BUT HEY YOU SAID THAT THE PAST SPINS DIDNT AFFECT THE FUTURE SPINS.

In your attempt to sound mysterious you end up sounding pretty daft.

[Jean-Claud]

Hahahahahhahah!

SPOT on kelly!

like ur VB

[Noble Savage]

Glad it isn't just me who sees the simple stupidity and self-contradiction in Spike's claims.

[gizmotron]

Kelly, do you have the guts to stick around?

I just had a session where the same 12 numbers only hit six times in three hours. I noticed the coincidence as soon as it became obvious to me. I was looking for something like that to be happening. I owed it to myself to clean up on the obvious lack of cooperation the house's advantage was doing to the casino at that moment. Can you believe it? It was better than going to an ATM machine. The casino was handing me their money and they didn't even know why.

So now please explain to the entire world how this form of gambler's fallacy was so beneficial to me. In Ellison's book he says to wait until you see what the table is doing. To keep sessions short. To get out of sessions that are not cooperating.

I use the very thing you think is a fallacy to further my gambling experiences. Your use it to make a mindless mathematical generalization. For your meaning of the use to be worth anything to you I have to lose because of it. I chose not to be brutalized by the mindless act of blind selection. Your definition does in fact apply to system players. I chose to play what the table is currently doing.

Now explain that you understand what I just said. Please.

[Kelly]

What you saw happened to fit your vision on how trends looks like and it went your way this time, good for you. Shit happens as well and as often as it doesn`t. The numbers didn`t go your way because you saw a trend.

When i played the Guetting bet selection many years ago i once ran into a streak of RRBBRRBB which you according to the rules follow at the break up it went BBBBBBB which you according to the rules also follows to the end.  I profited enormous because the table happened to trend along with the Guetting rules. You know what happened when i applyed those rules to some few thousands Hamburg spins ? Absoloutely nothing except a nice -1,35% profit.  There were 100s of trending starting out just to fail both within profit but also with a loss.  Setting out  profit rules like
Quit when:
+1 or -1
+1 or -2
+1 or -3
+2 or -1
+2 or -2
etc. didn`t help ONE BIT.

Look how the tables trends ? Yeah right, be my guest, but you can`t and won`t prove that what you guys peddle gives a profit for longer than the occasional 26 spins. 

[gizmotron]

You obviously can't tell when something is working and when it is not, until you lose at the house's advantage rate that is. Go ahead. Use your belief in that loss rate. You are the one asking people to believe your conclusions and assumptions. Your misunderstandings and conclusions are only the rantings of your own proclaimed failings. You kind of people are impossible to talk to. Because you had a bad experience with trends every trend player must fail. I don't think so.

What you saw happened to fit your vision on how trends looks like and it went your way this time, good for you. s**t happens as well and as often as it doesn`t. The numbers didn`t go your way because you saw a trend.

When I played the Guetting bet selection many years ago I once ran into a streak of RRBBRRBB which you according to the rules follow at the break up it went BBBBBBB which you according to the rules also follows to the end.  I profited enormous because the table happened to trend along with the Guetting rules. You know what happened when I applyed those rules to some few thousands Hamburg spins ? Absoloutely nothing except a nice -1,35% profit.  There were 100s of trending starting out just to fail both within profit but also with a loss.  Setting out  profit rules like
Quit when:
+1 or -1
+1 or -2
+1 or -3
+2 or -1
+2 or -2
etc. didn`t help ONE BIT.

Look how the tables trends ? Yeah right, be my guest, but you can`t and won`t prove that what you guys peddle gives a profit for longer than the occasional 26 spins. 

[Kelly]

What can i say, i had a few good real life experiences, but when put to the acid it breaks down and so will yours if you ever come that far as actually take a proper test.  We can all just talk and talk about 50 good spins here and there but it really doesn`t prove anything.  I don`t believe in a strategy until its thorougly testet. I testet a system positive for over 220.000 spins but it had failed when it came to 240.000. Would i play that system today ? Not a chance, it cannot work for obvious reasons and im pretty sure that if i start playing with real money i will hit the bad runs, which were "impossible",  within the first 2000 spins.

[Kelly]

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