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One more thing
Please answer this I will give you the right answer later

Why doesn't 35 come out 4 times in a row.
Then right after that 32 come out 4 times in a row
Then after that 1 come out 4 times in a row.

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because it didn't,

because it did,

because it can.

PS. Hello, Wendel.

Well you got three wrong
The answer is there is no such thing as Random. I've heard this for years. .  The only person in the world besides me beat Keno years ago he has found out the same answer as myself. .

I've have learn one thing in life that is better then trying to beat what you people call Random Numbers.

I've rather use the Random Numbers as you people call them.

But the real truth Random Numbers never been Random and never were.

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Okay
The reason why there is no such thing as Random Numbers as you people  call it, it's because NOTHING can avoid one Law that has been around since the beginning of time.  The answer is The Law of Math.

The Random Numbers you call Random really isn't Random, It's only following The Laws of Math. Nothing On earth can Avoid the Laws of Math.

What makes anyone thing as you people call Randomness can avoid this Law I can never understand

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But the real truth Random Numbers never been Random and never were>>>

Pure Wendel nonsense. Lets start a pool for how long it takes Bombus to ban him.

@ Spike.

The reason Random Numbers aren't really Random It's because All things Must obey the Laws of Math Even Random Numbers.

There is a reason why you don't get 4 aces in every hand when you play cards.

There is a reason why You don't see Lotto numbers come out in five drawing's meaning the same numbers.

There is a reason why you don't see 35 five come out 22 times in a row.

All above most obey this one Law and It's called the Law of Math

All above most obey this one Law and It's called the Law of Math>>

LOL, you never change, Wendel. Get in the pool. I say you don't last 3 days.

To All
I'm only here to answer the hard question's nothing else.
Anyone would like a question answered by me will only get the truth. So ask those question that you always wanted to know.

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Hello again, Wendel.

As it happens I do have two questions...please read them carefully before answering, thanks.

1) In ONE POST can you concisely tell us exactly how we should use the law of math to gain an advantage playing roulette?

2) Do you think banned forum members should be allowed back without first requesting permission by the administrators?

 
1) In ONE POST can you concisely tell us exactly how we should use the law of math to gain an advantage playing roulette?
Answer
The Laws of Math are many One that stands out is that a lower Law of Math can never beat a high Law of Math

2) Do you think banned forum members should be allowed back without first requesting permission by the administrators?
Answer
I guess if the banned member comes back with only to help the forum with answer's that most people always wanted to know I see no harm as long as he stays out of other people Idea's.  Most what I know you won't find in books. Why because it's the new way that you need not the old ways.

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@ bombus
Also as I said before I re-wrote the books in beating every event so I guess I can help many with many Idea's that they never knew before .

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 Most what I know you won't find in books.>>>

C'mon, Bombus, you must admit that what Wendel knows has never been written in a book. And never will be unless he writes it himself. :haha:

 Most what I know you won't find in books.>>>

C'mon, Bombus, you must admit that what Wendel knows has never been written in a book. And never will be unless he writes it himself.

Answer.
Your are right Spike. I have re-wrote all the rules to beat every event but only 5 people have it. That way we can still use what I know to beat the events.

I'm here only to answer questions that only I know the real answer's to.Not to hurt anyone but to show people here they are on the wrong track nothing is new here.

To beat all events the answer won't be the old Laws but the new ones that people like me invent.
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nothing exists without the mind,

Quote from: You can win on May 11, 2010, 12:37:53 AM
One more thing
Please answer this I will give you the right answer later

Why doesn't 35 come out 4 times in a row.
Then right after that 32 come out 4 times in a row
Then after that 1 come out 4 times in a row.

You can win

O_o

Hello
What I say here you can use on Roulette,Baccarat and Dice , and yes even 21

Remember the movie 21 counting cards. Well you can also do the same in all three games that I just mention.
If anyone has a method of play,you can do that very easy.
If you know how many losses you top out at say minus 8 or what ever you now know that, then you can start betting for real.Meanwhile while waiting just don't bet.

Also if anyone wants to know how to win and why my method works it is in the winwithmath section.

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Enjoy this read

Wow when I leave from posting everyone goes to sleep Wake up my friends

. I'm very busy right now will be asleep soon AC tomorrow.I'm trying to outdo the M.I.T. guys to hit 7 digit's.. It's takes so much time to win enough as not to be notice.You have to keep moving You play Roulette Table first than run to the Dice Table then go to the Baccarat Table and hit them. Then change casino's and do the same thing again

.I will have a crew together soon then it won't take too many days maybe two days to hit a 7 figure.The money I'll win, I will give away to the people who need it. I'm only doing it because I dislike those guys that beat the card game 21 from M.I.T. because they said the other Table Games couldn't be beaten.

I also hope to get a movie out of this. I've already have talk to a few people about that part.That money will also be given away.This is my final dream to live, as I have done every thing and have every thing I ever wanted.

Some people just talk and wish and never do.I've always said that's a waste of life.You have to push yourself to the limit and sometime the answer is a life time of work.

All the people on the forums think hey I'm better then anyone They use a progression to cover up their stupid stuff or I should say the Lack of heart to finish what they could have done by hard work.

No one has a system in the world that works. I know this because what is needed to have a real working system you need to see what the event is doing or going to do with no guessing involved. You guess you loss .That's A Law Of Math when the house has the odds on their side.

That's the reason I attack forums It's because I hate people that post things that never worked and never will.

People ANY progressions CAN'T Work. The Math Teachers and Professor's will tell you that if the Math doesn't work the system won't work. Progressions  can't work EVER my friends.Live with it

Flat betting is the only way to take the casino's down period.

Now I posted a system here that uses flat betting and it works. It's been tested right here and I'm ahead after 3,000 shoes.Hey wake up 3,000 shoes still ahead . How in the HEL* can the casino's can ever get their money back.Remember it's was tested doing flat betting only.

Listen to Susan Boyle sing, she sings from the heart. She is living her dream , but it took her a lifetime. The movie Men of  Honor, It fills you with pride. Cuba Gooding Jr. played the part. That was a true story the real guy it was his dream to be a Master Diver he made it.

Why am I writing this post It's showing you what you need to have and that is to really work hard and give it all you got and give it more then you got and give it more then anyone in the world would give.Now you're the man.

Listen I can beat all events . Over and over I posted this same statement and asked people to throw whatever they have at me and I will beat it live. I 'I've done it here and at the G.G and never lost in Dice ,Baccarat and Roulette doing it live. I always was man enough to step up to the plate.

What did I get from here in return nothing but insults from the people that have nothing of their own.Because they only study what is but not what could be. That statement takes a life time They only study what they see and what millions of people have already saw and tested and all fails..

To have a system that really works, you must be able to look deep and see things that NEVER EVER was seen before.

The key word's are, you must have the HEART the WILL and lot's of HARD WORK.Are you Willing reading these post here I don't think so. Remember every bad Idea people lose their money and some lose their family or worse their life . Can you live with that.Think about it.

Those who post a system should warn everyone this is just an Idea and remember anything can happen in gambling.


Also I posted A system here play it. The system is the only system in the world that works . It's flat betting only. One person said to me here, thanks I'm doing fine with it and it was nice of me to post it here.

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To everyone here have a great day to you and your family's and a great year.I hope to post more in my spare time

Enjoy the read

Here is some proof that people all over the world agree that I have something that is real enjoy the read.This will put the stops on those that say I have nothing. So enjoy my friends.

To all here if you don't understand something please ask and I will go over it with you .All here should know that my system is in the test area so check it out there.

Here is a post that was made by someone

The picture represents the hole where all the old and tired roulette methods and systems have to go. I can tell everyone on this forum that James's discovery will change the way everybody (well, almost everybody) thinks towards games of chance. It is the future, it is called HIDDEN MATH. It will save countless poor souls from searching the internet and only finding prehistoric betting methods that the authors even admit don't work in the long run, how can these guys sleep at night knowing that people are losing money they can probably ill afford to lose by following something that the author himself knows can never hold up. Yet they try to discredit everyone else out of false pride for their own work. Some people have been digging themselves in a hole for years and are pushing others in as well, it is about time the real thinkers of the 21st century are allowed to show what they have rather than listening to the know-all teachers who dress up everything that was never any good and never will be any good.


Here is another post that someone made

Hidden Math is what the name describes, it throws away all the misconceptions and old ideas that we have spent years looking at. Previous spins are completely irrelevant and should not be even considered. Progressions are a slippery slope down the "devil's staircase". You have to think in terms of the session as a whole. James was right when he said this leads to a few higher dimensions and he is playing on a completely different level to anything that has been mentioned not only here but in any books, and that includes authors who I would consider very knowledgeable on the subject of gambling. It is better than card counting, better than V.B. and I think many would even swap their roulette computers for it. What I am saying is that it is both original and unique. James must take a lot of satisfaction from what he has achieved here. I don't say any of this lightly and it has inspired my thinking and creativity towards roulette again that was sadly missing for a little while.

Another post someone made about me
Hello James, thank you. I thought that I sometimes looked out of the box. It looks like you have circumnavigated it. It opens up a whole new train of thought. If I am been honest with you, I would have never arrived at any of it. Maybe 1 step at most. You will never hear me mention Hamburg again, lol. Talk about not seeing the forest for the trees. All I can say to anybody else is to listen carefully and let it sink in without pre-judging anything. I am more stubborn than most but have to admit defeat when the truth is staring me in the face.
It is CHECKMATE indeed for hamburg, progressions and systems based on previous spins when compared with HIDDEN MATH. It's just a shame it was so well hidden, maybe I should have went to school more, lol. No, can't take anything away from you James. You are a proper gent and a good friend.
@Snowman, this is no joke. I will tell you how serious it is. I have had my computer hacked over the last few day's and I am not a happy chappie, it shows how desperate some people are to find out what people are saying to each other, it's a good job I don't keep any information on my laptop for any longer than 24 hours, this is basically the only site I come to, (there's a joke in there somewhere ) Anyway like I said HIDDEN MATH is no joke and it will be talked about for years to come as the gaming discovery of the early 21st century

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"People ANY progressions CAN'T Work" >>> Wrong answer. If people bash progressions, they should also bash flat betting. Show me a 'good' flat betting method....I'll start TESTING tomorrow.  Ken

Wow, I missed this one!

Question is: is it the original Wendel or the original Wendel pretending to be the original Wendel's son?  :lol:

Haven't we already established that the only thing you beat regularly is the monkey?

Until someone has around 150 posts, I just assume its Wendel acting crazy again.  :girl_wacko:  He does it here, GG, VIP etc.   Ken

N6, You're too funny! I love seeing you viewing a topic, I can't wait for you to shut them down.   :agree:

Quote from: L4KNG on May 11, 2010, 02:20:43 PM
N6, You're too funny! I love seeing you viewing a topic, I can't wait for you to shut them down.   :agree:

N6 doesn't miss one opportunity !
Ahah

You can win,
I agree with you,the only way to beat the wheel
is on the flat basis.
And don't get discouraged,just keep talking.
It's way of life-democracy.
I will be on the same channel,others if they don't like the
program, will change to other channel.

You can win posted:

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Listen I can beat all events . Over and over I posted this same statement and asked people to throw whatever they have at me and I will beat it live. I 'I've done it here and at the G.G and never lost in Dice ,Baccarat and Roulette doing it live. I always was man enough to step up to the plate.

Hey "you can win" - I'm interested in testing out your HIDDEN MATH. Can you show me what to do?
Are you man enough to step up to the plate and divulge your secret so I can apply it to say... roulette for instance?
You must be SO rich - winning like that, all the time and for so long - maybe as rich as Charles Edward Hampshire and the W3million crowd?
Anyhow dearly would love for you to explain clearly and PROVE how to win at this game. After all you cannot beat the LAWS OF MATH - you said so yourself.

A.

@ Stackbundles
My system is in the testing area.It has been tested in 3,000 shoes in Baccarat and still ahead at $100.00 a shoe

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Guys, here is an excel sim made by ozshabs for testing Wendel's "Whale Blubber Math" as it applies to roulette.

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/winwithmath-bet-every-event-test-result-sharing/msg82153/#msg82153 (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/testing-zone/winwithmath-bet-every-event-test-result-sharing/msg82153/#msg82153)

Another read Enjoy
Kompressor,
No worries! Whether I'm his grandson or not it doesn't matter.   
Your post is outright wrong and that's why I'm telling you are not correct.
Don't get me wrong, I'm don't come here to prove who's right or wrong.
I just post the facts.
With this method, after some 3000 shoes simulation, you still come out ahead
and if I were to average out, each shoe you probably making around 100dollars in each shoes.
Let's not forget, on a bad run, you could end up say 8 to 10 consecutive losing days before any wins is recorded.  Well, one can certainly raise his bet unit I. e.  to say 500 a unit and have a higher winning.  The question here, can he or she withstand the 10 days losing session when s**t happens.
Anyway, my test was based on continuous testing and this may not reflect the true simulation on actual play in the casino.  In real life, you dont play 3000 shoes one after another!
So, as far as my testing goes, I can only share with you up to this point.  In order to do a real simulation as close as casino play, I will have to write a program to pick random shoes but I just don't have the time yet!

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@ MATTJONO
am I on the correct lines mate.
2   B  E  L
26 B  E  H
33 B  O  H
12 R  E   L
22 B  E   H
4   B  E   L 

LOOKING AT THE TRENDS OF THE E.Cs I WOULD PREDICT THAT THE NEXT SPINS WOULD BE BLACK (AS BLACK, EVEN AS THEY ARE REPATING AND LOW BECAUSE HIGH/LOW IS CHOPPING)

Answer
You have to go to testing to see the right way to play Please never ever ever guess
B
B  +1
B  +2
R  +1 +1
B   +2
B   +3 +0
B   +4        you said you would bet Black

Next
E
E + 1
O +0
E  +1 +1
E  +2
E  +3 +0
E  +4         you said you would bet even

Next
L
H  -1
H  +0
L  -1   + 1
H  -2
L  -3   +0
L
You only got even .

Another Question

hello mate I can of see what your getting at what do I need to learn?

at the min I use 0 as a fix number and 5 as 18

to make a judgement to where the ball will be going

if you can point me in the right direction?

cheers

Answer
You must  look in the testing Zone where I post my system.

Things i dont understand - why would one use three even money position - why not pick one ?

R RR R  R            R           R           RRRRRRRRR     RR    RR R R RR       R R       RR       R R    RRR

Can one tell me the difference ?

And one other thing - why does no one talk about ROR and show charts of 1 000 000 - is the same old story about trails and not placed bets - who give a f**k if some one pass 3.000 shoe with baccarat !

O_o

@ cookies
Your have to read my method of play Go to the testing area. Also if you are wining 3,000 shoes flat betting the house can't catch up with all what you won. Because I flat bet only Wake up my friend.

You can win

O_o


o_O

@ cookies
I see you understand now
You can win

Quote from: You can win on May 11, 2010, 04:56:08 PM
@ cookies
I see you understand now
You can win

/.\

We have got to get Fender and You Can Win together.  These two great minds could do wonders for this forum.   :sarcastic:

@ herb 6

Just read the results in the test zone. You will learn that I have the only method in the world that you can flat bet and win.

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Fender claims that you must use the progression to win.  Is your system better than his?
Are you claiming to be more experienced than Fender?  :sarcastic:

Hi herb6

No I'm not more experienced then fender. I'm more experienced then anyone in the world my friend so people tell me as I have post their remarks .

And Herb doesn't miss one opportunity too ! Ahah
>:D

Afonso

Quote from: You can win on May 11, 2010, 05:53:19 PM
Hi herb6

No I'm not more experienced then fender. I'm more experienced then anyone in the world my friend so people tell me as I have post their remarks .

That is a risky sentence to make You can win.

Afonso

You got the test wrong!
Here's how you should play.   Playing continuously, you will have a +4. 
Remember, one of his rules is NOT to play continuously.   Stop win/loss is +4 or -8 respectively.   The highest -ve I have before recording a +4 win, is -6.   
Don't expect to win every time.   Someday you will lose and according to James, you will have higher wins ratio to losses!

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b   -7   1
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b   -5   2
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b   -7   -2
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r   -7   -1
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b   -7   0
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b   -5   -1
b   -4   
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b   -6   
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r   -5   4
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b   -5   3
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r   -5   4
r   -4   
b   -5   5
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r   -5   6
b   -6   
r   -7   5
b   -8   
r   -9   4
b   -10   



@ Afonso

That is a risky sentence to make You can win.

Answer
I can't help what people post about me. You read the post from people who said great things sbout me.I put them right here. Should I tell them not to post the good things they say.

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On his wepage You Can Win claims to beat all casino games and Fender can only beat roulette. I'd say Fender is years behind in experience.

@ Spike.
I can only beat the games that I posted here. BUT my second system can beat all the other event's

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YouCanWin,

What is your opinion of Fender's Zone method?  :sarcastic:

I will not say anything bad about other people method. The reason is all Ideas that people post ,people can open their minds up a little more.

You can win

How much does your method cost?

His last method was $800,000 and it was a bargain.

Hi Herb6
The table game is here for free. My other method will never be for sale. Take a guess in what I am making a day on my second method

You can win

Quote from: Spike! on May 11, 2010, 06:20:14 PM
His last method was $800,000 and it was a bargain.

Wasn't he once doing a mass fire sale of all his systems? $500 million I think was the price, everything included

:lol:

@ Spike

I never sold the second method because I wanted to keep it in the family. only the first method I sold.

Spike take a guess what I an making a day on my second method.
you can win

Quote from: You can win on May 11, 2010, 06:24:39 PM
@ Spike

I never sold the second method because I wanted to keep it in the family. only the first method I sold.

Spike take a guess what I an making a day on my second method.
you can win

Wendel's site:

nolinks://web.archive.org/web/20071230041728/nolinks://windontlose.com/ (nolinks://web.archive.org/web/20071230041728/nolinks://windontlose.com/)

Direct quote:

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Also all my Systems can be bought at one price of 500 million dollars to any one out there which is also on a first come basis.

YouCanWin,

Fender claims his method wins quite well.  

What makes you think that you're winning more money than Fender?

Hi Jordan 27

The reason I have 2 method One is for table games the other is for the big games
Lotto,
Pick 4 Numbers
Pick 4 horse in a row and so on.
And much more.
Those need more work then the table games. The table games are easy so is Lotto but more work is done in the big games

You can win

James,

What makes you think that you're winning more money than Fender?

Now that Fender has all bets covered with the Zone and its polar opposite, 5, he must win a lot more than You Can Win. Its obvious.

Herb 6

Well hold on to your hat my friend When I talk in making money I mean real money. Is he making more then  
4 million a day then yes he makes more then me. I am setting things up right now to make 4 times as much

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 Is he making more then  4 million a day >>

I don't think Fender makes 4 million, 3 maybe, not 4.

I can't tell a lie I could say I only make A few dollars. But that's not the case here. You want the truth you will get it right here I told Victor on what I do he said Wow that is a big piece to believe.

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@ Spike
I will put it this way
365 days in a year if you only made 1 million a day it would only be 365 million right . Big deal after tax you got crap.
Remember there are 4 of us so not much left after the share.Thats why I need to push it higher,
You can win

And if all this fails, well there's always THE BONE! :spiteful:

Hi bombus
It won't fail . I will tell you why
You can hit 30 states at the same time that's why I talk big money You have 10 people in a tri state area and hit them all twice a day it does add up big time.

You can win

G'day,

I vote for the bone as the best idea.

I sunk the BONE into the PIT the other night and CAME out feeling like a WINNER!

Sure, it's a small bone, big pit and I was only in there for a minute or two but I felt GREAT!

I have hope to merge the BONE with ORAL MATH this week, I believe this will be mind BLOWING.

I better leave it there, I've said a mouth load already!

SPIKE , FENDER and YOUCANWIN are for real BIG winners!>>

I'm afraid I've never ever mentioned money, so I can't be included with these big winners. But Jordan, you have that new Grail, Hydra (thats what you said it was) and surely you will be among these big winners soon. Right?

Spike
It's not the money here we are talking about . It's the new Idea's that people post When people post new Ideas we all win

You can win

James,

Is this why the LV casinos show that roulette is down 33% for March? :sarcastic:

 herb
No I don't go to the casino's anymore .There is no money in it it's for people that think small. The real money are the big games.That is all I do.

You can win

The Big Games. You know, Monopoly, playing online for fun money. To go to the casino you'd have to have a car and a drivers licence.

To All

I only post here to let all know anyone can beat the games . I just came to give you all hope that all event's can be beaten. I have done this but it won't be easy for most.It's hard work my friends . And the cost is high because it takes a life time to invent the Holy Grail because there is only one out there and it's in the math my friends.

You ALL can win

James,

As I'm sure you know, several people claim to have the holy grail each week.

Each time someone makes such a claim, we simply ask for proof.

So, when would you like the opportunity to give us a live demonstration?

Hi Herb6
Thanks for all the posts you made.The Demonstration will come in about 365 days then I feel we made enough. If you read the papers you will know.the truth.

But I feel as the other people that are in with me the states will want this not to get out.So we are talking about what amount of money each state would have to pay as.So who knows my friend.We are under their radar right now I can't tell you how we do this.

But I can tell you this some day my friend ,my name will come out some how. I may not be here then but it will happen James Albert Wendel made ****** and beat 30 state big time.

You can take that to the bank my friend

You all can win

YouCanWin, (James)

Since you're winning so well these days, is there any chance that you could pay Pete back the money that you took from him when you sold him your last system?  :yahoo:

after reading all this i am none the wiser. win power ball .lotto. the pools. keno. roulette. blackjack.  my new racing system. a winner in every race,  a million a hour. why not  we get a little crazier every day

Hi Herb6

The only system I sold was the one I gave here for free. But all now knows it does work. The other system nobody knows but my people who use it. Besides the money talk I'm not here for .It's the new Ideas that people need.

You can win

The Demonstration will come in about 365 days>>>

Thats about par for the course. El Chippo says he can't show the real casino results from Signum till 2011, Fender says he can't give a live demo of the Zone till he comes to Vegas in 2012, and now You Can't Win says we have to wait a year. I guess when you're a math genius like these guys, they live in a different, slow moving world. Oh well..

@ spike
Casino is one side of a story. I did say there is no real money in it.The real money is in the states my friend.

You can win

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Hi Bombus

I guess that post is how you people feel when you can't understand the truth that there is one person who really made it.

You can win

"You can win", I have no idea if you are James, and I dont really know who james really is. But based on everything going on it looks like you are.

I've read through some of your posts, in particularly your response to direct questions where you didnt give a clear answer. You talk about math, but we all know 1 + 1 = 2. Sure, everything is subject to math. But as far as I can see you havent said diddly about your actual method. Mathematics is not a method. You can no more beat roulette with math than make 1 + 1 = 3. You can only beat roulette by increasing the accuracy of predictions - it is an absolute fact, not open to interpretation etc.

Bombus knows more about you and what you do on forums, so what he wants to do with you is in his hands. But please be aware I'm receiving complaints about your presence. However, if you're going to dance around direct questions and avoid giving anything of substance, and if you're here to sell systems, please go away.

PS - Bombus, I do love your sense of humor.

James,

I'm sure Pete would greatly appreciate you refunding the $500. that you took from him.  You know, back when you agreed to sell him your system at a discount, since your were gravely ill and dying of cancer?  

By the way, congrats. on your rapid recovery.  :yahoo:

Since you're supposedly making $4,000,000. per day, how about refunding his money?  :yahoo:

James (confirmed it is indeed james), to be direct, bullshit you make $4m/day. Only someone who has no concept of how much money that is would make such a claim. To take that much money from casinos on a daily basis would be a colossal task. Realistically it just wouldnt be possible because they wouldnt allow it, regardless of your method/system.

Without having read everything hear, people seem to be more toying with you than taking you seriously. Bombus when you've had your fill, please drop the blade an send me a postcard picture.

You can win> I have tried to create a tracker for your method of play, which was posted few months ago. Can you please have a look at it, and let me know if the tracker is doing its job or not. There may be errors with the tracker, feedbacks are always wlcomed.

If you are happy with the excel tracker, then users can use it to test various spin results and see how good your method is.

Cheers

Bombus, the guy getting his head cut off has way too many teeth to be You Can't Win. Black out the top 5 in front and its much more accurate.

I completely forgot the fire sale Wendel had when he was dying. If he was indeed dying, why should he have to give a refund? Herb, are you implying he might not have been dying?

James,

What do you think?  Think you can manage to pay Pete back, since you're no longer dying of cancer?


See ya James.    :yahoo:

The more I read, the more I'm nauseated. Complete load of shit from someone no better than charles. Waste of time.

Complete load of s**t from someone no better than charles.>>>

Thats really hitting below the belt, Steve. Charles has no competition, he's at the very bottom, all alone.

Think you can manage to pay Pete back>>>

Herb, are you saying the system You Can't Win sold DIDN'T work? I'm sure you're mistaken, he must have played it wrong. Can you post it here so we can all have a good laugh, er, I mean so we can all examine it?

Quote from: Stackbundles on May 11, 2010, 10:54:23 PM
damn do any of you stop b***hing goin on like sum gyals  if you dont like what hes says you dont have to listen just let him get on with it

That's the whole problem stuckmuddles, he never just gets on with it...

What is the LAW of MATH and what does it say....I want specific details.>>

He's thinking, he'll get back to you on that..

Why does  the blasted zero seem to show up more when you are trying to get out of a bad run on the EC bets ffs :nono: its amazing how many times I have seen this happen :(-can you answer that:(

@ moles40

I will answer all questions as I said I would I just got home.

Question
Why does  the blasted zero seem to show up more when you are trying to get out of a bad run on the EC bets ffs
its amazing how many times I have seen this happen can you answer that.
Answer
I have taught this already But I guess you have missed that part. Some of the Roulette people can hit their target are very good . As I know some, they can get as close as 3 spaces in the area they want to hit.Not all of them can but a few.

There is a way to help your self, bet a small amount on 0 to cover your E.C. bet
I hope this helps
Your friend
You can win

 @Scooby D00
Question
You said we can ask any question and you will answer it...Ok...answer this question in COMPLETE detail.

What is the LAW of MATH and what does it say....I want specific details.

The main law of math is this.a lesser Law of Math can't beat a higher Law of Math there are many answers to this the more you find the better your chance in wining any event.

Here are a few.
Why don't you get three aces more then four when playing cards. Because it's a Law of math you can't get more 4 of aces then 3.The Law of Math states the odds are way against that.

Why don't you see 5555 come out in the daily number 5 days in a row Because the Law of math states the odds are way against that.

Why don't you see the number 7 in Roulette come out 8 times in a row Because the Law of Math states the odds are way against that.

Now how can you use that math in wining an event.
When you can find enough Laws of Math on your side you can now have the odds on your side to help you win.

The system that I have does that But big time. What it does it finds 20,000 and more because we work with big events.I hope this helps my friend.

You can win

@ Steve
This is your forum I know I'm just want to help .Now I need to address in what you had made a post about me.

James (confirmed it is indeed james), to be direct, bullshit you make $4m/day. Only someone who has no concept of how much money that is would make such a claim. To take that much money from casinos on a daily basis would be a colossal task. Realistically it just wouldnt be possible because they wouldnt allow it, regardless of your method/system.

Answer
I NEVER said that I take the casino's for 4 million dollars a day. I said I beat the states there are 30 states we play at..
The reason why there is more money to be made there also no one can spot us in what we are doing.
I hope that is clear now.

Also remember 4 million dollars a day there are 4 of us plus we have to pay people in those other states to bet for us. then there are the tax crap.We aren't left with very much my friend.

You can win

Stackbundles
damn do any of you stop b***hing goin on like sum gyals  if you dont like what hes says you dont have to listen just let him get on with it

I agree people keep it clean not one of my post I said anything bad to anyone.

You can win

@ ozshabs
Hi my friend
What can I do for you on this tracker to help everyone. please post here so I can see.
Your friend
You can win

When you can find enough Laws of Math on your side>>>

Name some laws of math that are on you side. Also, name the Law of Math that says you can't get 8 7's in a row in roulette.

@ Spike
Question
Name some laws of math that are on you side
Answer
I will put it this way so you can understand it better.
Let put the one that you just post.
, name the Law of Math that says you can't get 8 7's in a row in roulette.

Answer
If I were to bet you that you got to 8 number 7's in a row before I got five in a row or even 6 in a row You would lose your house by the day would end
I hope this helps.

You can win

>>If I were to bet you that you got to 8 number 7's in a row before I got five in a row or even 6 in a row You would lose your house by the day would end>>

Thats not a Law of Math, thats your opinion. The real truth is, there is no 'Law' that says you can't get 8  7's in a row. Also, there are no math laws that are 'on your side' and you can't name any. Thats as stupid as saying there are math laws that are against you. Its ridiculous.

@ Scooby Doo

Hi I like yor questions.

There are thousands of those law. To put it an easy way . Think of anything that would put the odds on your side.
If I were to put 9 red balls in a bottle and 1 black you would pick the red ball more often then the back.

Now if I put 8 red balls in a bottle and 2 black you still would pick the red ball more often.

How you use this in events you find things that put you at the better odds.

Maybe say this
You keep track of roulette say this is what I call Time Span In a frame of ten say three of something hit But it hit only twice out of ten isn't the odds on your side it won't happen.

I hope this helps

Your friend
You can win

@ spike
I never said it can't happen read my post. I said The odds are not on your side.
I hope this helps

You can win

I said "name the Law of Math that says you can't get 8 7's in a row in roulette" and you gave the example thats not a law at all. You most CERTAINLY said not getting 8 7's in a row is a Law of Math, go back and READ IT.

Do you even know ONE true law of math?

>If I were to put 9 red balls in a bottle and 1 black you would pick the red ball more often then the back.>>

Name the math law that says you would pick more reds then blacks. How hard can that be?

@ Spike
said "name the Law of Math that says you can't get 8 7's in a row in roulette" and you gave the example thats not a law at all. You most CERTAINLY said not getting 8 7's in a row is a Law of Math, go back and READ IT.

You had post this
Do you even know ONE true law of math?
>>If I were to bet you that you got to 8 number 7's in a row before I got five in a row or even 6 in a row You would lose your house by the day would end>>

We can bet all night on this one that you get 8 number 7's before I got five.You would lose Spike.

That's what I mean people the odds are on your side.Spike knows this  but what is important all of you already know this as fact
I hope this helps

You can win

 @ spike
I took this out of one of your posts to me
Thats as stupid as saying there are math laws that are against you. Its ridiculous.
Answer
The word is odds.Go to the race track you will find out all the Laws that are against you when you come home broke.

I hope this helps.

You can win

We can bet all night on this one that you get 8 number 7's before I got five.>>>

But thats NOT a math LAW, its your OPINION! ARGUHHHHH!!! There is NO LAW that says you can't get 40 7's in a row...................

Its like talking to a brick wall, you talk about math laws all the time and you don't even know ONE!!!!

Never mind..

@ Spike

We can bet all night on this one that you get 8 number 7's before I got five.>>>

But thats NOT a math LAW, its your OPINION! ARGUHHHHH!!! There is NO LAW that says you can't get 40 7's in a row...................

Its like talking to a brick wall, you talk about math laws all the time and you don't even know ONE!!!!

Never mind..

Answer
You must learn how to read a post my friend. I never said 40 7's can't hit I just said the odds are not on your side.

I hope this helps

You can win

hi

o.k the odds on our side...that's in having a winning bet we bet 24 numbers that's 1/2 for us..

for every 2 wins we get we will get 1 loss.

? is this what you mean by odds on bet.

sometimes I do wonder why if a combernation of 1,2,3,4,5,6 occurring at a roulette wheel should have the same odds of 23,27,31,14,5,17.......I'm sure iv seen 23,27,31,14 come out before while playing and tracking godnose how many spins.....my point is I haven't even  seen 1,2,3,4 come out ever...maybe someone has

but then again as soon as I see 1,2 appear ill be backing number 3 to come next then 4 after that.

blar blar blar   just thought id have a say before  :whistle: bed

To All
If anyone has a Question I will not run away from any.I will come here now and then if Steve and the mods want to get the really hard question's answer. If they can stand the truth and I don't run away from the hard questions I will be around for awhile.The only thing I will never do Is give my method of play away . No one can blame me for that.

But I can help to open everyone up to new Idea's. Isn't that what this forum is about.
Your friend
You can win

I never said 40 7's can't hit I just said the odds>>>

You don't understand that odds are not math laws, do you. You don't even understand what a math law is, do you. Every time you show up everything is about 'math laws', a subject you are clueless about, as you make obvious with every post you make.

Hi MATTJONO
1,2,3,4 yes could come out even up to 15 some day that's Einstein Law.But the odds on that to happen is big time.you would lose your house before you ever see that my friend Anyhow have a good night my friend

You can win

@ spike
You must read my post more and you will learn much more then you will learn anywhere else.
Thanks my friend

You can win

Wendel, from a neutral perspective, you dont appear to understand the science of beating the casinos, mathematics, or what you're talking about. I'm not sure why you are here, but you appear to just be doing what charles does - dangle the carrot and lead people on, with nothing of substance.

Personally I believe you get kicks out of it, same as charles. If that's the case, understand you are doing harm to people by misleading them. But if you want to help people, then try giving something people can use rather than just hope.

Hi Steve
Hope is what they need my friend. Without hope you have nothing. I'm here To answer questions that they can only find the answers though me. The reason for that people say that I re-wrote the Laws so I guess I have to answer to that .
You saw what people wrote about me I can't help what I invented is something new.
And Please this charles I don't know and I really don't care who he is as I don't even believe something's that were said about you and other people here.

I say a forum is good to post on as long as it's clean. I have some good read here and I see over 1,000 has read my post and only a few people had a few jokes. But the reads out cast those joke and people want to learn something new even if it's only hope or a small piece of something new.

You can win

QuoteHope is what they need my friend. Without hope you have nothing. I'm here To answer questions that they can only find the answers though me.

So basically, you're telling us that you're Jesus?

Prove it, walk on water. :)

@ herb6
Yes I have done that many times,on my pond upstate N.Y. I walk on the ice to get to the other side.

Your friend

You can win

Wendel, there are too many things wrong with your posts to mention. I'll just say please stop misleading people. You are offering false hope, and going in circles, dangling carrots perhaps just for kicks. If you want to contribute, and if you really are Jesus, give information, but give people real and tangible information. If you are going to continue going in circles, you arent welcome here. I've already received complaints.

@ Steve
Wendel, there are too many things wrong with your posts to mention. I'll just say please stop misleading people. You are offering false hope, and going in circles, dangling carrots perhaps just for kicks. If you want to contribute, and if you really are Jesus, give information, but give people real and tangible information. If you are going to continue going in circles, you arent welcome here. I've already received complaints.
Answer
I see over 1055 reads here and you have a few complaints I know you are kidding with that statement..
Since I answer everything Please answer this where are the wrong post's and please give the fact's behind it . I will try to help you out to understand better Thank you

Your friend
You can win

Wendel ok you got me I was lying about the complaints. Everyone loves you. Nobody knows who you really are. There are higher math laws, rather than math being math with no such thing as there being "higher math". Is there any more truth to 1 + 1 = 2 than the square root of 36 being 6? Sure one is more complex, but it's the same thing. Can you beat roulette mathematically? No, you cannot. Why? Because the payouts are unfair for the outcomes. So you can only overcome this by increasing the accuracy of predictions - it is a fundamental fact. Can you increase accuracy of predictions with math? Not unless you use math to calculate things like rotor decay, which is more physics. But you are talking about stuff like magical math. You go in circles and never reveal anything because there is nothing to reveal. The questions I would like to ask have already being asked, and you gave roundabout and indirect answers.  I really cant be bothered when all you give is those kind of answers.

Please tell Herb, are you going to give Pete back his money since you make over $4m/day?

This scenario has been going on since forever...and will not change...

This scenario has been going on since forever...and will not change...>>>

There are threads on GG that are 3-4 years old and have 300 posts in them with nothing but this kind of nonsense. He's going to 'teach' everybody and ends up never teaching a thing, and then claims he did. The nuts in a fruitcake have nothing on Wendel..

Wendel, a few questions for you. Very simple and straight-forward questions, so you can give clear answers without dancing around:

1. Are you going to give Pete back his money since you make over $4m/day?

2. If your other systems you sold fail, why should anyone believe a word you say?

3. Why are you posting under a fake name?

4. Give me one clear tangible fact that gives us proof of your claims that you have discovered a new fantastamagical super dooper higher math law.

5. EXACTLY what is the difference between a basic math law and higher math law? Define it.

Thing is Wendel, I dont even know you but have read enough of your posts to know what you are. I dont think you'll ever give clear answers - you'll just dance around, mislead people, for whatever reasons - kicks, scamming people or whatever.

Quote from: You can win on May 11, 2010, 12:37:53 AM
One more thing
Please answer this I will give you the right answer later

Why doesn't 35 come out 4 times in a row.
Then right after that 32 come out 4 times in a row
Then after that 1 come out 4 times in a row.

You can win

Well this allready shows you know nothing of random. Because...

this

35---35---35---35---32---32---32---32--1---1---1---1

is EXACTLY the same as this

1---17---34---9---36---24---20---3---5---19---17---12

So my question to you is. Why dont YOU see the above sequence come out?

Quote from: Ka2 on May 13, 2010, 03:26:22 AM
Well this allready shows you know nothing of random. Because...

this

35---35---35---35---32---32---32---32--1---1---1---1

is EXACTLY the same as this

1---17---34---9---36---24---20---3---5---19---17---12

So my question to you is. Why dont YOU see the above sequence come out?

Thanks Ka2, but they are not exactly the same. They are the same in respect of both being a fairly unique 12 number sequence, but when you consider the physical properties of the roulette wheel, the second sequence is far more likely to repeat than the first... not the numbers, but the pattern.

IMO there are absolutely too many random variables within each spin of the wheel for the resulting pattern of the 1st sequence to be as common as the pattern of the 2nd sequence.



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G'day,

Quote from: Steve on May 13, 2010, 01:59:51 AM
Can you beat roulette mathematically? No, you cannot. Why? Because the payouts are unfair for the outcomes. So you can only overcome this by increasing the accuracy of predictions - it is a fundamental fact. Can you increase accuracy of predictions with math? Not unless you use math to calculate things like rotor decay, which is more physics.

This is your opinion, admittedly also believed by others, but there's still no proof, while there are a lot of people out there / here claiming the opposite.

The 'math' that is put forward by the 'math people' to support their point of view is flawed, at least by the fact that it doesn't tell the full story of what is possible.

Quote from: MiniBaccarat on May 13, 2010, 07:36:23 AM
The 'math' that is put forward by the 'math people' to support their point of view is flawed, at least by the fact that it doesn't tell the full story of what is possible.

They never tell the story of the math that fits for the current state of conditions being seen. They never produce the math that tells how long a trend will last the next time one occurs. They never show their own selective versions of "laws of math." In a way it's a kind of dogma. It's a useful convenience for them, like a crutch. They can't explain trend exploitation and they hate it when anyone claims they can do something like that but won't explain it. So we get an endless tirade of absolute math axioms. Unfortunately that doesn't fit the discussions, the explanations, or the situations encountered in real play. Also, they can't explain this paragraph. I always ask them to give us some math dealing with current occurring trends. They always run and hide for those questions. It's a trend.

QuoteThey always run and hide for those questions.

Gizmo,

The maths is not flawed. When you ask vague questions like "what is the math of the currently occurring trend?", how is anyone supposed to answer that without more information? You have to be more specific, otherwise all your protestations are merely evasions. Guys like MiniBaccarat are winning because they use huge progressions and bankrolls, but it doesn't mean they have found an edge. Good luck to you if you're winning this way and can stomach that kind of risk/reward ratio.

Quote from: Bayes on May 13, 2010, 08:57:11 AM
Gizmo,

The maths is not flawed. When you ask vague questions like "what is the math of the currently occurring trend?", how is anyone supposed to answer that without more information? You have to be more specific, otherwise all your protestations are merely evasions. Guys like MiniBaccarat are winning because they use huge progressions and bankrolls, but it doesn't mean they have found an edge. Good luck to you if you're winning this way and can stomach that kind of risk/reward ratio.

1.) I never said the math was flawed. I quoted something that MiniBaccarat wrote.

2.) When I ask questions, that you call vague, I never get follow up questions regarding further information required. I'm not getting specific questions even now. So you want me to get specific and then you will answer it. I've always known that you can't answer these kind of questions because they would be useless answers at a real casino during a real session. So we can have our little word game and then you will duck the really hard questions.

Please explain how long term math relates to the current state of ten reds in a row, where both reds and blacks have been grouping in stretches of similar streaks for the past hour. Now if that trait were to continue for the next hour would that give you an advantage? What long term math expectation prevents you from exploiting that two hour trend? Because after the two hours are up you would know if you did well or not. It's possible to have an experience that does not fit the long term expectations of the math. Is that possible?

Now run and hide. That's what always happens.

QuotePlease explain how long term math relates to the current state of ten reds in a row, where both reds and blacks have been grouping in stretches of similar streaks for the past hour. Now if that trait were to continue for the next hour would that give you an advantage? What long term math expectation prevents you from exploiting that two hour trend? Because after the two hours are up you would know if you did well or not. It's possible to have an experience that does not fit the long term expectations of the math. Is that possible?

For starters, you need to quantify past spins in terms of numbers, not time.  This is just common sense Gizmo, try to use some if you have any!

"grouping in stretches of similar streaks..." Again, this is vague - what does it mean?

• how many numbers are you talking about?
• what is a "stretch" - how long is it?
• what does "similar" mean?
• what is a "streak" - how long is it?

The maths does not only relate to "long term", and you can get a formula for any sequence of whatever length you're interested in. It will be an "average" (that's the "long-term" part) + an "error" term, which is the standard deviation.

The maths is sound for any event you can dream up, but you need to give precise, numerical information, otherwise it's helpless. But this is the very thing you sneer at, so I don't expect to get any. Furthermore, I think you know deep down that if you were to provide it, it would show no advantage whatsoever, so that's another reason to keep things vague and ambiguous. Much better for you to keep it mysterious, then you can never be proved wrong - just like Wendel.  

In any case, it's not our job to prove you wrong. You're making the claim - you back it up. If you don't want to - fine! but don't keep on with the baloney festivals.

G'day,

Quote from: MiniBaccarat on May 13, 2010, 07:36:23 AM
The 'math' that is put forward by the 'math people' to support their point of view is flawed, at least by the fact that it doesn't tell the full story of what is possible.

Based on Gizmo's 10 reds, I would have made at that stage $1,550 return for my $50 outlay.

I don't see 100 units BR as much compared to 20 units an hour profit when I have an 'edge' over the Casino!

What do I mean by 'edge'?
1) I choose when to bet,
2) I choose when not to bet,
3) They seem more worried than me to lose,
4) What I need to have happen (to win) ALWAYS happens well
     before I reach either the end of my BR or I reach the table limit.

Quoteat least by the fact that it doesn't tell the full story of what is possible.

Like I said Glenn, it accounts for everything. Can you tell me which part of the story is missing?

G'day,

One of the things I use is getting onto a 'run' of say,
r,r,r,r,r or b,b,b,b,b or r,b,r,b,r, or b,r,b,r,b as they start and using a progression,
BUT if during a 'run' if it 'stalls' my betting will drop of and I'll wait till the next run to start.

I also use a positive progression idea so after the initial bet wins I'm using the winnings to finance the 'run'.

If I could learn to read Random and then flat bet, I would, but I don't seem capable so i will have to continue doing what has not failed me the last 200+ visits to the casino or a club.  (With modifications along the way).

Bayes & Gizmo have gone offline, so I guess we can pick this up later  (like waiting for a favourable 'run' to resume).

Quote from: MiniBaccarat on May 13, 2010, 10:20:09 AM
Bayes & Gizmo have gone offline, so I guess we can pick this up later  (like waiting for a favourable 'run' to resume).

I have a doctor appointment, I'll deal with it later.

I will deal with this though.

Quote"For starters, you need to quantify past spins in terms of numbers, not time.  This is just common sense Gizmo, try to use some if you have any! "

I don't need to quantify past spins in terms of numbers. I need to quantify past spins in terms red streaks and black streaks, respective to the conditions of the question. This is not an argument solved by divide and conquer debating tactics. Regarding your common sense, I think you are a blithering idiot. I fully intend to ask you questions you will produce gibberish from. So leave your attempt at insults out of it.

QuoteI don't need to quantify past spins in terms of numbers. I need to quantify past spins in terms red streaks and black streaks, respective to the conditions of the question.

Which can (and must) be expressed in terms of numbers. You could do it like in the Zumma books for the ECs:

R B
1
   1
2
   2
1 
   3
2
   1

Each number represents a streak length. One way of representing how an EC is behaving is to add up the numbers in a given sequence on either or both sides. It's possible to work out the probabilities of getting a certain total in a given number of spins. You can do this for any bet you like, dozens, streets etc. I'm not saying any of this gives you an advantage, but it's one way of trying to answer the questions which you insist that the maths cannot.

QuoteI think you are a blithering idiot.

Try keeping it civil Gizmo, or someone will complain and you'll find yourself banned again. To be honest I don't know why I'm bothering to reply. I can't take anything you say seriously.

QuoteOne of the things I use is getting onto a 'run' of say,
r,r,r,r,r or b,b,b,b,b or r,b,r,b,r, or b,r,b,r,b as they start and using a progression,
BUT if during a 'run' if it 'stalls' my betting will drop of and I'll wait till the next run to start.

Glenn,

If you're winning by playing like this, I say GREAT!.  I used to play the ECs a lot, but I never felt like I was on solid ground. Roulette can offer so much more! There's something for everyone, but you have to abide by certain principles to get a real edge. Plus, I'm no gambler, I like to play it safe. A system like yours would give me a heart attack.  :D

Hi Everyone
I see I woke this board up a little great.I see allot of great post's on here ,now we are getting somewhere . What I mean by that is, if there is a post on roulette then people can take that Idea into his method of play or say to him self that won't work with my method. But just maybe the next post might.Even some of the forum clowns left they will be back because as Steve said they are funny. All forums have them it keeps things in a happy way.I even enjoy them,because it show who they are at times.

Okay I really don't have much time but I can tell you all this Random is not Random .I have taught this for many years some now believe Random can't happen and never will.

When you people see numbers it's all in the math.
If things where really Random you would see the number 7 come in all day. People what you have to do is forget the past that was taught to you and start to use your own head. Just use your head just a little..

40 years ago when I started to beat all event's I had a solid base to start with .That was just true pure hard fact's and math was the answer, and nothing else.

What I base everything on is if the math says out of a ten pick that I have a 9 to 1 chance to win I'll take the 9 to 1 every time.

This is how it is done say after 30,000 to 40,000 times I get that in my program I feel great that I now have a 100% win factor.. Those were Idea's I use for the Big Games.

Now for Roulette The how and why I can beat all E.C. chances.
Study the method that I place here.I mean study it real hard. what you will find out I never guess.If you guess you will lose to the house edge every time no matter what you read in posts.
Now for any kind progressions . Wow you got to be kidding me. Any school kid can tell you that can't work EVER.

The method I have put here if you see at times I'm betting to lose because I bet the back and forth. People think that the back and forth is the same . But here is the why answer
I win because I'm betting the back and forth and not sitting on my you know what and do nothing. The answer is I'm not guessing and I'm betting real money when the event goes up and down.ad flat bet's only..
Here is proof.
When Einstein said  flip the coin 5,000 times and heads and tails will be close. The only thing Mr. Einstein didn't see because I guess it was to easy for him was the event it self.The event was going back and forth more then what the outcome was. .
So here is fact.

If the coin was close to even at 5,000 times say 20 .During the 5,000 flips the back and forth was much bigger. Yes Mr. Einstein did beat E.C but he never new it.It was to simple for him.

I hope you all enjoy the read. Also nice to see people talk and post. I see some 1,300 people enjoy the posts. Nice work people.
Have a great day to you and your family's

Your friend

You can win

You can win wrote:

Quote
Now for Roulette The how and why I can beat all E.C. chances.

Huh? Those are BIG claims - You didn't show HOW or WHY you can do it !?!   C'mon are you gonna post it or not?
And can we have it without all the bull and unfathomable explanations ? Yawn.. :lazy:


A.

Quote from: Bayes on May 13, 2010, 09:44:50 AM
"grouping in stretches of similar streaks..." Again, this is vague - what does it mean?

• how many numbers are you talking about?
• what is a "stretch" - how long is it?
• what does "similar" mean?
• what is a "streak" - how long is it?

12,18,12,14,7,14,9,10,13,8,4,33,31,17,29,2,3,14,25,36,23,19,4,15,10,33,24,6,17,1, - end 1st hour

16,27,12,3,34,9,32,22,11,20,28,15,4,35,13,10,3,9,19,27,36,7,16,28,13,2,14,17,31,1, - end 2nd hour

A "stretch" is an unspecified number of spins. It usually means from one condition to another condition. An example would be that blacks kept hitting for a "stretch" until red started hitting for a "stretch." Coincidentally both "stretches" were common to each other in duration. The math person must learn to identify the use of the term stretch as it relates to Roulette spin results. This takes experience and perhaps hand holding, like when teaching little children to cross the street or to learn their alphabet.

"Similar" implies anything containing a characteristic that is common to anything, usually a group of continuous spins. Similar sections of a continuous spin sequence were both red or black but contained stretches of spins that were consistent for each, like clusters of reds or clusters of blacks. It's a way of showing that singles in series, for the reds or blacks, was noticeably absent.

A "streak" is a small identifiable stretch of continuous spins. The reason it's identifiable is by observing its recognizable characteristic that makes it recognizable.

In this example of spins above anyone with a rudimentary capacity to evaluate spins can see that these spins have recognizable stretches that have a similar characteristic in the over all grouping of two types of streaks. This consistency goes from the first hour to the second and continues until near the end of the second hour. If someone were to notice that then they might have taken advantage of the characteristic during the second hour. Perhaps part of the first hour too.

I've actually talked to math oriented Roulette players that can't conceive of any of this. It's a completely oblivious topic to most of them. It's easy to test for this too. Just ask them to identify the traits and characteristics that make up the current phase of identifiable characteristic as stretches, streaks, and similarities. Many of them can't do that. Yet they insist that they understand everything.

Can you do it Bayes? Let's see it.

Quote from: Stackbundles on May 13, 2010, 01:49:14 PM
WHAT IS THIS WE SUPPOSE TO HELP EACH OTHER WHY IS IT A COMPETETION BETWEEN OURSELVES WHAT DID WE WANT TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE? BEAT THE CASINO LOOKS LIKE WE JUST WANT TO BEAT EACH OTHER

This is the kind of stuff that is considered off topic too:

Quote from: Bayes on May 13, 2010, 09:44:50 AM
This is just common sense Gizmo, try to use some if you have any!

We are waiting for Bayes to show that he understands the question. A question he insists that never comes and never gets answered. So please be patient Stick.

Gizmo,

You're all over the place. What you lack in your writing is clarity. I don't know what you want from me.  :-\

QuoteCan you do it Bayes? Let's see it.

Can I do what? recognize patterns? what do you want to see?

QuoteWe are waiting for Bayes to show that he understands the question.

What question?

QuoteA "stretch" is an unspecified number of spins.

Great. That's about as much use as a fart in a hurricane. Gizmo, as a programmer how would you go about testing your theories? You say that the maths is not applicable to your way of playing and yet you say you've written simulations that prove it works. Computer simulations using random numbers are just another way of doing probability, albeit easier for complex systems. So you have already proved for yourself that the math is capable of showing what you claim it can't. 

Quote from: Bayes on May 13, 2010, 03:13:43 PM
Gizmo,

You're all over the place. What you lack in your writing is clarity. I don't know what you want from me.  :-\
Can I do what? recognize patterns? what do you want to see?

What question?

Great. That's about as much use as a fart in a hurricane. Gizmo, as a programmer how would you go about testing your theories? You say that the maths is not applicable to your way of playing and yet you say you've written simulations that prove it works. Computer simulations using random numbers are just another way of doing probability, albeit easier for complex systems. So you have already proved for yourself that the math is capable of showing what you claim it can't. 

This is evidence that you can't do it. If you can't get this far then you have no intention of showing how current state probability has anything to do with long term probability. We trenders are going to bury you in evidence of your groundless assumptions.

To prove it I'll bet several here can take the basic question and explain how the following question should be answered.

Here are the basics again for those that like to see Bayes run and hide:

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 13, 2010, 01:22:28 PM
12,18,12,14,7,14,9,10,13,8,4,33,31,17,29,2,3,14,25,36,23,19,4,15,10,33,24,6,17,1, - end 1st hour

16,27,12,3,34,9,32,22,11,20,28,15,4,35,13,10,3,9,19,27,36,7,16,28,13,2,14,17,31,1, - end 2nd hour

In this example of spins above anyone with a rudimentary capacity to evaluate spins can see that these spins have recognizable stretches that have a similar characteristic in the over all grouping of two types of streaks. This consistency goes from the first hour to the second and continues until near the end of the second hour. If someone were to notice that then they might have taken advantage of the characteristic during the second hour. Perhaps part of the first hour too.

...Just ask them to identify the traits and characteristics that make up the current phase of identifiable characteristic as stretches, streaks, and similarities. 

Can you do it Bayes? Let's see it.

Gizmo,

Why are you avoiding my point about programming your theories?  :)

Is it possible, in principle at least, to simulate the way you play?

Gizmo, where can I learn more about trends?
I'm really interested in that, I want to go in the same direction you went...

Afonso

Quote from: Bayes on May 13, 2010, 03:44:10 PM
Gizmo,

Why are you avoiding my point about programming your theories?  :)

Is it possible, in principle at least, to simulate the way you play?

You started this by saying that I'm not giving specific information. I'll get to your next point after you finish the first point. There is nothing worse than an algorithm that keeps on asking new questions in order to avoid answering the original question. It all looks like someone attempting to change the subject. It's just a form of dodging the question. The truth is you won't be able to relate current state math for my original question. Do you need to be reminded or do I have to go back and find it? We've seen your trash talk. Let's see your high minded understanding of the problem.

Quote from: A3on47 on May 13, 2010, 03:45:06 PM
Gizmo, where can I learn more about trends?
I'm really interested in that, I want to go in the same direction you went...

Afonso

I first tackled disbelief. I lost my bankroll. I couldn't believe that 24 numbers could consistently hit on four different wheels in the same casino, so I bet against it. After that I experienced a perfect pattern among the same 12 numbers for a little more than half an hour. This time I went with them and made a huge killing. Then I studied systems like progressions. That turned out to be worthless. So I moved on to detecting three hottest numbers for 300 spin sessions. That taught me a great deal about randomness. I discovered that what I was learning applied to all the bets. I learned that randomness comes and goes in one of three states. Basically it goes from singles in series to streaks of repeats. If you can learn how it does that and learn how it changes then you can relate that to dominances, patterns, and the repeating pattern of similarities over time. You do this by tracking multiple spins and looking at the data that comes from that. Good luck.

Gizmo,

I didn't start anything. I was responding to this post of yours:

QuoteThey never tell the story of the math that fits for the current state of conditions being seen. They never produce the math that tells how long a trend will last the next time one occurs. They never show their own selective versions of "laws of math."

I'm not interested in identifying any "characteristics" or "traits". You are claiming that the maths is limited and doesn't account for trends and all the things you observe. I'm saying it does, but you need to translate your trends and "characteristics" into a form amenable to probability calculations. Why is that so hard to understand?

@gizmo

Thanks :)
Then the only way is to practice a lot, trying to see R/B patterns and play with then.
But I don't see how can we know when a pattern is going to stay or to leave :S

Afonso

Quote from: Bayes on May 13, 2010, 04:04:29 PM
Gizmo,

I didn't start anything. I was responding to this post of yours:

I'm not interested in identifying any "characteristics" or "traits". You are claiming that the maths is limited and doesn't account for trends and all the things you observe. I'm saying it does, but you need to translate your trends and "characteristics" into a form amenable to probability calculations. Why is that so hard to understand?

You are too mister dodge.

Quote from: gizmotronPlease explain how long term math relates to the current state of ten reds in a row, where both reds and blacks have been grouping in stretches of similar streaks for the past hour. Now if that trait were to continue for the next hour would that give you an advantage? What long term math expectation prevents you from exploiting that two hour trend? Because after the two hours are up you would know if you did well or not. It's possible to have an experience that does not fit the long term expectations of the math. Is that possible?

You followed that question with a requirement to get specific and to show you numbers. Now you are craw fishing your way out of it. I gave you those specific numbers and I provided you with specific definitions for terms. Now all you are doing is confirming to the entire world that your math assumptions are groundless. You are oblivious to any attempted explanation. There is no way for you to draw intelligent conclusions from what I claim about randomness. You are, specifically, clueless. I can't even drag you to it kicking and screaming. All you need is (37/1) = house advantage. I call that equation darkness. Perhaps "blinders" fits it far more effectively.

Quote from: A3on47 on May 13, 2010, 04:08:05 PM
@gizmo

Thanks :)
Then the only way is to practice a lot, trying to see R/B patterns and play with then.
But I don't see how can we know when a pattern is going to stay or to leave :S

Afonso

You will never know that. It's a good thing to know. That's why it's important to be aware of effectiveness. Having a bet selection method is not the entire story. You need to learn how it flows in and out of the three states, works very good, works very bad, or it acts chaotic in effectiveness. That's all you will end up discovering. It takes searching. It takes learning from the getting there. Randomness only takes on the meaning that you impose upon it. Otherwise it just ends up being a blotch of meaningless numbers all jumbled up into a statistical average.

QuoteI'm saying it does, but you need to translate your trends and "characteristics" into a form amenable to probability calculations. Why is that so hard to understand?

I get it. You say that I have to do all the work so that you can show how short term stats on a very powerful trend have no advantage because long termed probability always rules perfectly over short termed situations. It looks like you have your amenable excuse for never making a valid point. Why don't you take any powerful trend you like and show how short termed stats are forced to conform to long termed stats as an explanation of math's demonstration of the two differing states, current state and average state? You must at least have your own explanation for that.

Quote from: Gizmotron on May 13, 2010, 04:36:08 PM
Randomness only takes on the meaning that you impose upon it. Otherwise it just ends up being a blotch of meaningless numbers all jumbled up into a statistical average.

Ah, so true randomness stops being random when we believe it isn't.

So if I see a cloud that randomly took a shape resembling a tree, and I say that it's a cherry tree, does that mean that it will rain cherries?

Give me a break man. :sarcastic:

Quote from: Noble Savage on May 13, 2010, 04:50:30 PM
Ah, so true randomness stops being random when we believe it isn't.

So if I see a cloud that randomly took a shape resembling a tree, and I say that it's a cherry tree, does that mean that it will rain cherries?

Give me a break man. :sarcastic:

That would be a magical belief. I would advise taking on an attempt to seeing real things. Pattern recognition is not a magical thing. I agree, the meaning I see does not prevent others from seeing it too. And, being blind to it does not make it go away into something that is nothing. I see patterns while believing it is almost perfect randomness at the same time. The only flaw is in the inaccuracy of the mechanical device producing the stream of data. Unfortunately for you, you think that I depend on magical thinking, superstitions. That's not my problem. It's yours. You argue that point by imposing your limited belief on me. It's yours, you own it.

To no one in particular:

It`s  NOT what you see, it`s  what you THINK you see. :ok:

Nathan  Detroit
Niff said.

Quote from: A3on47 on May 13, 2010, 03:45:06 PM
Gizmo, where can I learn more about trends?
I'm really interested in that, I want to go in the same direction you went...

Afonso

Expect that it might cost you,and you probably will not pass
the class at the end..not cause of your ignorance but of wrong school.

Correct me if i'm wrong but the only way to beat the game is to play the inside of the wheel.I mean bet on adjoining numbers,sectors of the wheel.

I'm beginning to think play the  EC bets
are a waste of time,because they dont resemble the layout of the wheel at all.

Quote from: medo on May 13, 2010, 05:33:58 PM
Expect that it might cost you,and you probably will not pass
the class at the end..not cause of your ignorance but of wrong school.

I understand your point my friend.
But more schools I pass by, more knowledge I get. I just need to clean my head before I go to a new school, then I will not confuse all things together.

Maybe one day all that "schools" will give me positive results my friend.  :good:

Gizmo could be my teacher !  :whistle:

Afonso

>>show how short termed stats are forced to conform to long termed stats>>

This is the question I've asked over and over of the MathBoyz and I've never gotten an answer. All they do is wink at each other and shake their heads in pity that anyboby would dumb enough to ask such a stupid question. To them there are no short term stats, only meaningless strings of nonsensical numbers that have no meaning whatsoever until you've gathered enough of them that they can be considered 'long term'. They see the forest, but the trees are invisable to them...

Quote from: A3on47 on May 13, 2010, 06:12:52 PM
Gizmo could be my teacher !  :whistle:

I took the time to get it right as I went. I already had lost thousands at casinos. It became time to figure things out without getting killed off at the casinos. I learned all about progressions without spending one dime on them. I spent years learning how to relate to hot numbers. Both Spike and I have come to the conclusion that it comes down to you gaining your own impression of randomness. You then go with that knowledge and learn how to use that while in practice. You get to prove all this to yourself and it should not cost you a dime. All you need to do is spend the hours. I recommend thousands of hours getting familiar with randomness and practicing it. Spike gave it a name, "educated guessing."

I understand Gizmo, and you're right in your words.

I will take it easy, making some tests at spins, trying to learn to read them as patterns.
Maybe I will get it one day... Maybe not...

In some time I will give you some news about this Gizmo ;)

Thanks, and good luck to you and spike  :thumbsup:

Kindest regards,
Afonso

As expected, Wendel didnt answer the questions:

1. Are you going to give Pete back his money since you make over $4m/day?

2. If your other systems you sold fail, why should anyone believe a word you say?

3. Why are you posting under a fake name?

4. Give me one clear tangible fact that gives us proof of your claims that you have discovered a new fantastamagical super dooper higher math law.

5. EXACTLY what is the difference between a basic math law and higher math law? Define it.

Instead he gave more indistinct rubbish to make people run in circles.

Wendel I'll give you one last chance to answer the questions. You should have known you were going to be banned from the start - and yes you will be banned because people like you waste the forum's time and make people run in circles, leading to unproductive discussions you hope to be the center of, for your kicks.

Quote from: A3on47 on May 13, 2010, 06:43:59 PM
Thanks, and good luck to you and spike  :thumbsup:

Kindest regards,
Afonso

So, make sure that you use a tracking system to improve your visual dexterity:


| X     |     X |   --  9 -- 264
|     X |     X |   -- 33 -- 265
|   X   |     X |   -- 21 -- 266
|     X |     X |   -- 30 -- 267
|     X | X     |   -- 31 -- 268
| X     | X     |   -- 10 -- 269
|---------------|   --  0 -- 270
|     X | X     |   -- 31 -- 271
|     X |   X   |   -- 32 -- 272
| X     | X     |   --  7 -- 273
| X     |     X |   --  3 -- 274
| X     |   X   |   --  8 -- 275

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The rank of five fools all have one thing in common.  None of them ever prove they can win by playing there system live.

When asked to prove there systems can win, they all back down.

LOL!

Quote from: Herb6 on May 13, 2010, 08:08:08 PM
The rank of five fools all have one thing in common.  None of them ever prove they can win by playing there system live.

When asked to prove there systems can win, they all back down.

This is what begging looks like to the innocent bystander. Herb never gives up hoping to find a working system.

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Many years ago, I had a brainstorm and my AP methods just popped into my head.

Quote from: Herb6 on May 13, 2010, 08:23:25 PM
Many years ago, I had a brainstorm and my AP methods just popped into my head.

Isn't that where all the zits popped too?

G'day,

The guy 2nd from the right is how I looked 25 years ago,
then I became obese and bald and lost the rest of my good points!

Scooby, you criticize people for doing something,... then you do it yourself. If the forum is such a joke, click the little X at the top right. Why are you still here?

Quote from: bombus on May 13, 2010, 06:36:20 AM
Thanks Ka2, but they are not exactly the same. They are the same in respect of both being a fairly unique 12 number sequence, but when you consider the physical properties of the roulette wheel, the second sequence is far more likely to repeat than the first... not the numbers, but the pattern.

You got to be kidding right? Who cares about patterns? Are you trying to draw a horoscope? (also based on nonsense) The odds are EXACTLY the same. Most people have a hard time understanding this because they give value to certain events, or in your case patterns. But the odds of that pattern you draw happening again is exactly the same as that pattern from the first sequence of numbers. it LOOKS more random, but its not. Come on bombus I thought you were better than that...

Ok,

Maybe pattern is the wrong word. How about scatter.

One is a random scatter the likes of which you will witness all day every day for the rest of roulette eternity, and the other is a very ordered scatter the likes of which you will be lucky to witness a very few times for the rest of roulette eternity.

Deny it if you wish, but it's true.

I second what Bombus said (based on real experience).

Quote from: Ka2 on May 14, 2010, 02:44:30 AM
You got to be kidding right? Who cares about patterns? Are you trying to draw a horoscope? (also based on nonsense) The odds are EXACTLY the same. Most people have a hard time understanding this because they give value to certain events, or in your case patterns. But the odds of that pattern you draw happening again is exactly the same as that pattern from the first sequence of numbers. it LOOKS more random, but its not. Come on bombus I thought you were better than that...

So what are the odds that a pattern will continue? Add to that the situational coincidence that the pattern has been doing the same thing for a full hour. What are the odds that it will or won't continue doing what it has been doing for the next fifteen minuets? You say the odds are the same. I say the odds are irrelevant. At the same time you are calculating odds the odds that a meteorite might hit you falling from the sky are also being calculated. They are irrelevant odds. They neither predict what will happen nor due they prevent what will happen shortly in the next few spins. Anyone can risk a small amount if they are willing to lose a few spins. The trick is to get more spins right than getting spins wrong. Meteorites don't prevent good guesses from occurring.