Gizmotron (Mark Brownell)
has often mentioned he has students who he teaches ROULETTE.
I cant trace on any roulette forum any who write how good or useless he is.Anybody had any luck !.
I've never mentioned them anywhere. I've respected their privacy. Cheese says a few have contacted him. But Cheese has not mentioned anything specific that convinces me that he ever had any contact with any of them. I have never asked any of them to keep anything a secret. Nobody has signed any nondisclosure agreement.
How did you students get to hear of you ?Did you advertise ?Do you approach people in casinos ?
Quote from: zippyplayer on April 07, 2011, 09:11:07 PM
How did you students get to hear of you ?Did you advertise ?Do you approach people in casinos ?
4 of them have emailed me and said he taught them nothing of value. They all said he never once showed them where to place the next bet. Mostly they said they had no idea what he was talking about and were confused by the whole thing.
Quote from: cheese on April 07, 2011, 09:14:57 PM
4 of them have emailed me and said he taught them nothing of value. They all said he never once showed them where to place the next bet. Mostly they said they had no idea what he was talking about and were confused by the whole thing.
That has to be a lie. I have all the conversasions with every one of them archived. Every one of them were shown live demonstrations. I called out the bets, they called out the spins. In every case they learned about the three states that become fairly easy to see. And they were all told how to deal with changing conditions. The only one demanding a set of bet by bet, and where to bet next rules is you Spike. It's always been your big deal. So why don't you prove you know who thay are? In a few weeks it won't matter anymore. I'll have phase two done and will have openly shared it.
Quote from: zippyplayerHow did you students get to hear of you? Did you advertise? Do you approach people in casinos?
All I did was post here and at GG that I was taking on ten students. They all contacted me from PM's here. Once I reached those ten students I moved on to the algorithm stage. I also turned down at least six people for good reasons. What are the chances that four of those I rejected have contacted Father Roulette?
THIS IS ANOTHER FLY PAPER THREAD
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 07, 2011, 09:27:53 PM
That has to be a lie.
Nope, its the truth. I heard from one of them almost right away, thru a PM here. Then weeks later another one here with a PM. Then one thru an email and he gave my email to someone else. None of them were angry, just confused and disappointed.
Quote from: cheese on April 07, 2011, 09:31:58 PM
Nope, its the truth. I heard from one of them almost right away, thru a PM here. Then weeks later another one here with a PM. Then one thru an email and he gave my email to someone else. None of them were angry, just confused and disappointed.
There is one way for you to prove it. Write back to them and tell them that I will have a free version of the Black Box Validator for them. It will do for them what they failed to understand the first time. If they validate that they did contact you then that will be adequate proof. You can PM me with a quoted section of a real chat too. I can verify a real conversation that way too. So far all you have is your word. That's worth shit on the internet. It's ridiculous that you want to be trusted all of a sudden. Aren't you the guy that ripped people off with your $7 watches on eBay?
THIS IS ANOTHER FLY PAPER THREAD
Well your the one dumping in topic after topic
you make statements-i just wanted to know what was what thats all
Quote from: zippyplayer on April 07, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
THIS IS ANOTHER FLY PAPER THREAD
Well your the one dumping in topic after topic
you make statements-I just wanted to know what was what thats all
That question did not need it's own thread. I think you just wanted to see more arguing from cheese. He's the guy that never wises up a chump.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 07, 2011, 09:38:32 PM
There is one way for you to prove it. Write back to them and tell them that I will have a free version of the Black Box Validator for them.
Not in my job description. You do it. Free? You should be paying them to try it out.
Quote from: cheese on April 07, 2011, 10:00:48 PM
Not in my job description. You do it. Free? You should be paying them to try it out.
That was expected. So others at this forum will incur your wrath if they admit that it works. You are a real contribution to discussion forums. Yeah, you just like taking about Roulette. I figure it's something deeper than all that. You like arguing. There is something far beyond discussion going on in you.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 07, 2011, 10:13:04 PM
You are a real contribution to discussion forums. Yeah, you just like taking about Roulette.
Hey, I didn't start this thread. I know where your students are, I don't have to wonder.
Quote from: cheese on April 07, 2011, 10:24:40 PM
Hey, I didn't start this thread. I know where your students are, I don't have to wonder.
Like I said, FLY PAPER! :angry2:
The *modified* sisters.
(Bud, I don't like the way u try to insult some forum members. It is you business you don't like them, but it is my business to not let u insult them. Please be aware. It does not take long to be kicked out of this forum, and i don't want to kick you out. So please behave. thanx
iggiv)
THIS IS ANOTHER FLY PAPER THREAD
Your the one with the self given god like status around here,it is a valid thread.
This discussion lead to nothing.The problem is all members hide themself behind a nickname .Behind a nickname you can be impolite,tell lies etc. I am very careful on internet and I try to have much respect for all my opponents.
Quote from: schoenpoetser on April 08, 2011, 06:06:16 AM
The problem is all members hide themself behind a nickname .
'Hide'? You mean a person's real name would mean more to strangers than their nickname? I don't think so..
This discussion lead to nothing.
Well wouldnt it be interesting if just one of Gizmotrons students were to write of their experience with him.Good or Bad.
(if they exist)
Quote from: zippyplayer on April 08, 2011, 04:32:41 PM
This discussion lead to nothing.
Well wouldnt it be interesting if just one of Gizmotrons students were to write of their experience with him.Good or Bad.
(if they exist)
Oh, they exist, they've written to me.
Quote from: zippyplayer on April 08, 2011, 04:32:41 PM
This discussion lead to nothing.
Well wouldnt it be interesting if just one of Gizmotrons students were to write of their experience with him.Good or Bad.
(if they exist)
If Gizmotron really is teaching people, then perhaps he can take on a few of us as students, we can evaluate the training program, and then post our findings for everyone to see.
Gizmotron, does that make sense?
Quote from: curious on April 12, 2011, 11:44:53 AM
If Gizmotron really is teaching people, then perhaps he can take on a few of us as students, we can evaluate the training program, and then post our findings for everyone to see.
Gizmotron, does that make sense?
Certainly. While you are at it why don't you publish the secret recipe for Kentucky Fried Chicken & for Coke too.
Actually I have spoken about everything I teach already. I was just slightly careful how and when I divulged things. If it was cryptic enough to confuse Spike/cheese then I did it correctly. I hope that made sense?
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 11:54:46 AM
Certainly. While you are at it why don't you publish the secret recipe for Kentucky Fried Chicken & for Coke too.
Actually I have spoken about everything I teach already. I was just slightly careful how and when I divulged things. If it was cryptic enough to confuse Spike/cheese then I did it correctly. I hope that made sense?
No it does not. You are saying "I publicized it, but I purposely made it cryptic so as to confuse people". That makes no sense whatsoever.
You claim to have a winning method. You claim to have students. What you post in public is not understandable by the vast majority of people here.
If you have something worthwhile and you train people, then take a few people on as students and let them publish the results of using the training in live play. If you have information that you don't want disclosed then get them to sign something agreeing not to publicize that part of it.
Quote from: curious on April 12, 2011, 12:02:50 PM
No it does not. You are saying "I publicized it, but I purposely made it cryptic so as to confuse people". That makes no sense whatsoever.
You claim to have a winning method. You claim to have students. What you post in public is not understandable by the vast majority of people here.
If you have something worthwhile and you train people, then take a few people on as students and let them publish the results of using the training in live play. If you have information that you don't want disclosed then get them to sign something agreeing not to publicize that part of it.
No. Don't feed the beggar. It just encourages this conduct.
I already had ten students. They were those lucky few. You are not. But some of them might not have a clew what to do. It takes hard work, practice, and the desire to keep going. Some have gone to cheese for a shoulder to cry on. Perhaps you should try him. He claims he taught me everything I know anyway. So go to the source. He'll welcome that. Trust me.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 12:13:24 PM
No. Don't feed the beggar. It just encourages this conduct.
What conduct? I am asking you to prove what you say. You have a problem with that?
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 12:13:24 PM
I already had ten students. They were those lucky few. You are not.
None of them have published any results from using the training. So, that doesn't help us.
I don't want the training. So, how am I unlucky?
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 12:13:24 PM
But some of them might not have a clew what to do.
Not sure what a clew is. So, you are saying that some of the people that you trained, who we have no idea who they are, might have a clew what to do? But, they might not?
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 12:13:24 PM
It takes hard work, practice, and the desire to keep going. Some have gone to cheese for a shoulder to cry on. Perhaps you should try him. He claims he taught me everything I know anyway. So go to the source. He'll welcome that. Trust me.
I am not talking to cheese, I am talking to you. Stop talking to me like I am a child or have a mental handicap and answer my question directly.
I will repeat it. You claim to have a system that can beat roulette. You claim to train people. Several posters on here who most everyone trusts would be willing to take your training and publish the results of using it in live play. This would prove whether you actually have legitimate training or not.
So, are you going to do this or keep talking nonsense?
Quote from: curious on April 12, 2011, 12:40:55 PM
What conduct? I am asking you to prove what you say. You have a problem with that?
Just look at your avatar, lighten up a little.
Quote from: curious on April 12, 2011, 12:40:55 PM
I am not talking to cheese, I am talking to you. Stop talking to me like I am a child or have a mental handicap and answer my question directly.
I will repeat it. You claim to have a system that can beat roulette. You claim to train people. Several posters on here who most everyone trusts would be willing to take your training and publish the results of using it in live play. This would prove whether you actually have legitimate training or not.
So, are you going to do this or keep talking nonsense?
What a demanding beggar. You were a lawyer before the wheels fell off, right?
So if I keep talking about Roulette without giving you the Holy Grail then you aren't going to like me? That works for pathetic liberals that use peer pressure to demand and enforce group integrity. You know how to tick off a liberal, you tell them the truth. You tick off a conservative by lying about them.
Nope, this is not going to be a mandated redistribution of secrets. This is not the new State Sponsored Capitalism for the Wayward Roulette Players Union. Where is it written that I owe you a winning method?
Figure it out yourself, I did. Only you can do the work.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 01:02:10 PM
So if I keep talking about Roulette without giving you the Holy Grail then you aren't going to like me?
Liking you or not liking you is completely irrelevant. You have made claims, I have asked you to prove those claims in a way that cannot be refuted. You refuse to do so and act like a child with your insults and nonsense talk instead. So, take on some students, have them sign a non disclosure agreement of anything that you don't want disclosed, and let them use your method in live play and report the results. If you are what you claim to be then everyone will know and you will have esteem in everyone's eyes.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 01:02:10 PM
Nope, this is not going to be a mandated redistribution of secrets. This is not the new State Sponsored Capitalism for the Wayward Roulette Players Union. Where is it written that I owe you a winning method?
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I already told you that I don't want to be one of the students. Read my previous quotes to see what I was talking about.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 01:02:10 PM
Figure it out yourself, I did. Only you can do the work.
So, then you are not going to do anything to demonstrate that you actually have a winning method.
In other words you are just a blowhard.
Quote from: curious on April 12, 2011, 03:15:02 PM
You have made claims, I have asked you to prove those claims in a way that cannot be refuted. You refuse to do so ...
So what?
I've said no. All you want is free instructions. I'm done teaching. I shared with people that didn't bother to publish it on the internet. Go away, and yes I'm a blowhard. You always, at least, have that.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 03:39:34 PM
So what?
I've said no. All you want is free instructions. I'm done teaching. I shared with people that didn't bother to publish it on the internet. Go away, and yes I'm a blowhard. You always, at least, have that.
Apparently, you cannot read with comprehension. I said that I don't want to take the training at least twice.
So, let me make sure that your position is clear:
1. You have a system that can be proven both in theory and in live play that it beats Roulette.
2. You will not publish the system because it is too valuable.
3. You trained students but no one knows who they are or what results they had.
4. You refuse to explain what you have or prove it in any way.
5. We have to take your word for all of this.
Is this correct?
Quote from: curious on April 12, 2011, 03:52:23 PM
1. You have a system that can be proven both in theory and in live play that it beats Roulette.
2. You will not publish the system because it is too valuable.
3. You trained students but no one knows who they are or what results they had.
4. You refuse to explain what you have or prove it in any way.
5. We have to take your word for all of this.
1.) Maybe not / Yes
2.) No, it would end being able to use it. In that value the answer is yes.
3.) I know. Cheese says he knows of at least three or four of them. Trust me, they are lurking.
4.) Yes, that seems to be a good idea for today.
5.) No, I'm a blowhard. You still have what you already had.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2011, 04:06:14 PM
1.) Maybe not / Yes
2.) No, it would end being able to use it. In that value the answer is yes.
3.) I know. Cheese says he knows of at least three or four of them. Trust me, they are lurking.
4.) Yes, that seems to be a good idea for today.
5.) No, I'm a blowhard. You still have what you already had.
Yes, you are a blowhard.
Quote from: curious on April 12, 2011, 07:13:38 PM
Yes, you are a blowhard.
I'm a blowhard too. Good, that means I can put you on my ignore list.
Quote from: cheese on April 12, 2011, 07:20:07 PM
I'm a blowhard too. Good, that means I can put you on my ignore list.
Well, since you refuse to answer straightforward questions, do what you need to do. I am done wasting time talking to you.
I'm still looking for 1 of gizmotrons students to post anywhere
anybody know anything i don't
Spike has been the only person to be contacted... strange eh !
Zippy, there is no problem with you asking legitimate questions if they are constructive. But take this as your final warning: please stop the abuse and hassling. Nobody is under any obligation to answer your questions.
As for where are Gizmo's students... where are my students? I havent counted lately but I'd have around 800. My point is just because they arent jumping up and down saying "look at me" doesn't mean they arent around. I'm not endorsing gizmo and I really know nothing about him or his methods - just highlighting this point. In my case, we treat beating roulette as covert. We arent after glory, so what people see is only a fragment of what is there. It's not like forester who openly discusses everything, even though it isnt anything new anyway. Thats what non-players do because they have nothing to lose.
ps - Curious, please also be careful of your approach and what you say.
You can find my students all over the world.Perhaps a very few play roulette. I did not thought them the features and the secrets of the roulette.The ball has no memory is not a secret.
schoenpoetser ,
Just as there is a flat earth society there is also a very active " the ball has a memory society" . :diablo:
N.D.