How Many Of You Are Actually Playing????

[MattyMattz]

I have a Joyland account and could probably help, but my connection is usually crappy (comparable to dial up) so when I play there, I usually get crappy feed.

MM

[xman1970]

Hi Victor / Matty,
                           For example Joyland & 32Vegas are from the same Company, I've tried to open the live wheel at BOTH of then at the same time & it won't let you....


Just some food for thought...... 

[hoper35]

Wild Jack's jumpy live wheel got me worried enough to lose trust.  I'll stick to a real live wheel. 

[xman1970]

I've had no problems with the Microgaming Wheel (Played @ Canbet)  Hoper

What with that & 2Cats saying they don't give enough time to bet there Wild Jack isn't getting ANY good press at this forum 

[TwoCatSam]

That Microgaming wheel is also at Riverbelle......one of the oldest casinos out there......and Bella Vegas.

I'm playing Bella now and it seems great.  None of the WJ problems, but we'll see.  I had no probs at WJ until I started winning.

Sam

[JHM]

Testing online. Start playing when I have find a way of play that suits me.

[xman1970]

I know tampering with the number can't be done on a per-account basis as people would get different numbers, but still the video can be tampered such way and broadcast the least paying number overall for all players in selected spins. Sadly this way, only the dealer will know shall she get the number displayed different... Just conspiration theory here okay. I'm not ensuring anything, just have talked with a fellow lady from the forum who ensured me insider info of it operating in such a way.

Hey Victor 

Any chance you could elaborate on the above quote please....


Cheers [smiley=beer.gif]

[VLSroulette]

Sure, at the chat an "informant" from the forum said he talked to an online casino staff person close to him and he informed the live wheel tampering goes that way, the software injects video on the feed to place the ball in whatever number it is needed, only at certain spins, so the "skip" -not due to technical issues- is produced (and I guess the fast-forwarding comes with it too).

Herb & Lanky were on this particular chat too! They can confirm, but please just don't release the person's name as this time we should discuss the message and not the messenger...

Remember, conspiration theories here only. but... it is actually very easy to discover this, granted, if 1 single person gets video data "jammed" on his computer due to failure of his particular connection this skipping can be produced... but if EVERY person (broadband users) always get the same skipping (and the same fast-forwarding) at the same time, then that is injected at the video feed source and isn't to be blamed on every broadband user's connection presenting failure at the same time (i.e. Me in venezuela, Lanky in australia and Sam in USA we all get the same video skipping and the same fast-forwarding at the same time... hum... not likely 3 internet providers across the globe failed at the same time, eveytime it happens... that looks more like video-injection straight from the video source, see?).

Okay, serious study needed, measuring data stream speed & flow and the whole technical part.

If we are getting the same continual data stream and it skips, then video is sent "skipped" from the source.

We need serious forensic study of such video feeds/streams, 100% independent and without announcing it at any public sources so casinos wouldn't know. If they are 100% fair, they shouldn't fear such independent studies anyway... or are they going to call any rule saying people can't analyze data after reaching our computers? [smiley=lolk.gif] 

[TwoCatSam]

Victor

One thing that has always bothered me about the online casinos:  The girls are always exact copies of themselves from day to day.  Never jewelery.  Always the same uniform.  Hair is always exactly the same.  I know; I've done comparisons.  May I suggest that when these "skips" occur, one should look closely at the dealer before and after.  Surely long hair must flow over the wrong shoulder sooner or later! 

I think Matty said it once.  What they need is a constant TV feed of CNN or Fox News in the background to show the real-timeness of it all!

Think that will happen?

Sam

[VLSroulette]

Think that will happen?

Realtime TV? Not at the cheating video feeds, that's for sure...

[xman1970]

hey Victor, 

Any thoughts on getting the ball rolling with this???

there must be some way between us all we can work it out....

A live feed expert would help....

[TwoCatSam]

Yes, Victor, get on that!

[VLSroulette]

Okay, it is actually easy. First stage: we gather data at the same time, see if every feed skips at the same time. That's it.

We should go private at the forum's chat and when it skips for each participant just say "DID IT" or "VIDEO SKIP" or the like.

According to the results of that simple multiplayer test, we can start digging more, recording video packets with a packet sniffer, incurring into forensic analysis of the data, (i.e. ensuring everyone got the same bytes transfered for the same live video feed at the same time), etc.

If they aren't cheating they won't care about such type of independent study... and they ensure they never cheat, don't they?

Of course, if they never skip and offer a 100% skip-less fair game from now on, then they read the forum

Who's in for the very basic preliminary test?

[xman1970]

I'm happy to do what I can Victor..... 


Pls just let me know.....

BTW, would you want one of us checking from a different "playtech" wheel....

EG you at bet365

Me at joyland for example....

[hamsup_sotong]

mmm i can do the dublin bet one ... short and i have seen skips or times when the feed is blanked out

cheers
hams

[hamsup_sotong]

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