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Title: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 21, 2009, 12:05:33 PM
Hello,
I'm playing roulette since 25 years.
All these years I tried to find a mechanical system to play roulette.
Do you think that mechanical systems "can" exist ?

Is it possible to create one or I'm wasting my time ... :yahoo:

I want to show a mechanical system That I play now.
Yes It was tested on some 10.000 spins ...

But I know : I must push it up... to One million spins or higher !!!

But when we visit casino, we play 200 or 250 spins and not million of spins...


Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: WannaWin on August 21, 2009, 12:10:09 PM
QuoteBut when we visit casino, we play 200 or 250 spins and not million of spins...

I agree.

Systems must be focused on sections that are equivalent to the session moves made at the casino.

The win of current game after 200 spins or the duration in real game should be more important than win millions of sets than people never will play.

Greetings,
WannaWin
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: mistarlupo on August 21, 2009, 12:10:15 PM
Quote from: numero36 on August 21, 2009, 12:05:33 PMI'm playing roulette since 25 years.
All these years I tried to find a mechanical system to play roulette.
Do you think that mechanical systems "can" exist ?

Is it possible to create one or I'm wasting my time ... :yahoo:
It's good that you're asking yourself that question after just 25 years... ;)))
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: WannaWin on August 21, 2009, 12:12:08 PM
Sorry for asking again.

With regards to mechanical it mean roulette mechanical device?

Thank you.
WannaWin
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 21, 2009, 12:14:33 PM
How can I attach an image ? Sorry for this question... :blush2:
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 21, 2009, 12:26:39 PM
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg146.imageshack.us%2Fimg146%2F6286%2Fgraphc.jpg&hash=66ca27a23f696af8b5fcbbd18864741028d48100) (nolinks://img146.imageshack.us/I/graphc.jpg/)


Flat bet...
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 21, 2009, 12:30:47 PM
It's good that you're asking yourself that question after just 25 years...

;D

I learn new things every day... That's the life !!
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 21, 2009, 12:36:00 PM
mechanical it mean roulette mechanical device?

Mechanical systems means that you can play "your" system in any roulette table in the world...
You can't loose and you are not afraid...because your system is the best... :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: eatlines on August 21, 2009, 03:41:55 PM
I think you have an error count. Flat bet it's mathematically impossible this diagram.
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 21, 2009, 05:25:28 PM
Flat bet  :pleasantry:

Will try again to send the flat bet history... Sorry


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Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: The Spiders Kiss on August 21, 2009, 05:30:42 PM
Hi numero36
Thats better mate...thanks for posting
TSK
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 21, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
the system resists : always at flat bet  :-\

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Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: eatlines on August 22, 2009, 05:55:05 AM
What are you selling, man?
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: winkel on August 22, 2009, 08:51:14 AM
Quote from: numero36 on August 21, 2009, 08:31:59 PM
the system resists : always at flat bet  :-\

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg196.imageshack.us%2Fimg196%2F7798%2Fresist.jpg&hash=08e9946abc9c96215d545edf99b50239e3470c97) (nolinks://img196.imageshack.us/I/resist.jpg/)

Come on boy,

your history shows that you are not flat-betting.

Just explain the bet-selection

br
winkel
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 22, 2009, 09:37:53 AM
Quote from: eatlines on August 22, 2009, 05:55:05 AM
What are you selling, man?


I never buy a system and never sell a system...


Just ask a question : Did mechanical systems exists ?
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: eatlines on August 22, 2009, 12:59:28 PM
Obviously mechanical system cannot exist.
in order to be able to exist it must have some combination of numbers or group of numbers that left constantly according  to its average, without delays nor advances and this is indeed what the chance does not know to fulfill.
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: rjeaton1 on August 22, 2009, 02:26:05 PM
Quote from: WannaWin on August 21, 2009, 12:10:09 PM
I agree.

Systems must be focused on sections that are equivalent to the session moves made at the casino.

The win of current game after 200 spins or the duration in real game should be more important than win millions of sets than people never will play.

Greetings,
WannaWin

The reason people test systems for millions of spins isn't because they intend to play that system for millions of spins.

It is because they want to see if the system fails.  If at any point, even if it is spin 999,000, the system fails that means it is a failing system.

The moment you lay your chips on the table could be the moment just before a losing session.

For example, you can test the Martingale on Red/Black for 200 spins and it can win.  Does that mean every time you walk into the casino as long as you don't play for more than 200 spins the system will work?

Of course not.  Focusing system tests to only the amount of time you'll play them in any one session doesn't make any sense.  Doing that is almost like intentionally not looking for something.

Imagine you're sleeping in your bed at night and you hear something break, and then you hear footsteps.  You get up and use a flashlight to look around, but you only look in your bedroom closet.  You don't find anybody in your bedroom closet, so you turn off the flashlight and get back into bed.  Does that mean you're safe?

@ Numero36 >>  It does look to me like your system is flat betting.  After looking at your uploaded bet history it looks like you're betting on 4 to 9 numbers at a time (with an average of about 6 numbers bet on at a time).  It also looks like a pretty successful system...so far.

If you'd like your system coded for RXtreme for a long term test, let me know.
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 22, 2009, 02:43:24 PM
rjeaton1
I want to thank you very much for your courteous explanation.
Yes this system is flat betting but sometimes I must play 5 or 6 or 12 numbers...
Thank you again for RX : Yes I'm interested to code it.

I have roulette experience to be sure that this system is like others : he will falls down at any moment.
But if I can "read" some red lights ... I can transform it to to a good system with "stop signals"  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: rjeaton1 on August 22, 2009, 02:50:54 PM
Quote from: numero36 on August 22, 2009, 02:43:24 PM
rjeaton1
I want to thank you very much for your courteous explanation.
Yes this system is flat betting but sometimes I must play 5 or 6 or 12 numbers...
Thank you again for RX : Yes I'm interested to code it.

I have roulette experience to be sure that this system is like others : he will falls down at any moment.
But if I can "read" some red lights ... I can transform it to to a good system with "stop signals"  :thumbsup:

No problem at all Numero, glad to help.

I'm currently working on another RXtreme code for another fellow forum member, but when I'm finished I'll let you know.

Then, if you'd like to, you can PM me the system and I'll code it for you.  Then, you can watch the BR balance trend graph and try to correlate the larger drawdowns to what is happening on the table.

Maybe then you'll be able to see what makes a "red light" and when that "red light" turns back into a "green light".
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 22, 2009, 03:24:40 PM
Quote from: rjeaton1 on August 22, 2009, 02:50:54 PM
No problem at all Numero, glad to help.

I'm currently working on another RXtreme code for another fellow forum member, but when I'm finished I'll let you know.

Then, if you'd like to, you can PM me the system and I'll code it for you.  Then, you can watch the BR balance trend graph and try to correlate the larger drawdowns to what is happening on the table.

Maybe then you'll be able to see what makes a "red light" and when that "red light" turns back into a "green light".

Thank you...

For Winkel : Here is a little party played FLAT BET You can see that the graph grows similar than the my first graph...

(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg502.imageshack.us%2Fimg502%2F496%2Fzubidasystem.jpg&hash=f15b2a4f3cb6d1433a9fcf3c840df54bcc01a722) (nolinks://img502.imageshack.us/i/zubidasystem.jpg/)
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 22, 2009, 03:38:25 PM
The betting history at flat Bet :

Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,
0,',,,,,,500,
1,'32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,'9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
3,'22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
4,'30,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
5,'34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
6,'20,Bet,10,36,-10,26,526,
7,'21,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,518,4 :
8,'29,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,510,4 :
9,'15,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,502,4 :
10,'11,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,494,4 :
11,'30,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,486,4 :
12,'21,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,478,4 :
13,'1,Bet,8,36,-8,28,506,4 :
14,'9,Bet,12,36,-12,24,530,4 :
15,'1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,530,
16,'5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,530,
17,'4,No Bet,0,0,0,0,530,
18,'27,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,522,4 :
19,'34,Bet,8,36,-8,28,550,4 :
20,'0,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,540,1 : 
21,'15,Bet,10,36,-10,26,566,1 :
22,'7,Bet,10,36,-10,26,592,1 :
23,'8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,592,
24,'30,Bet,10,36,-10,26,618,1 :
25,'8,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,608,1 :
26,'18,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,598,1 :
27,'20,Bet,10,36,-10,26,624,1 :
28,'26,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,614,1 :
29,'25,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,604,1 :
30,'32,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
31,'25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
32,'29,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
33,'25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
34,'22,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
35,'27,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
36,'23,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
37,'24,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
38,'35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
39,'31,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
40,'12,No Bet,0,0,0,0,604,
41,'10,Bet,13,0,-13,-13,591,1 
42,'25,Bet,13,0,-13,-13,578,1
43,'15,Bet,13,0,-13,-13,565,1 :
44,'36,Bet,13,0,-13,-13,552,1 :
45,'22,Bet,13,0,-13,-13,539,1 :
46,'29,Bet,13,0,-13,-13,526,1 :
47,'21,Bet,13,72,-13,59,585,1 :
48,'34,No Bet,0,0,0,0,585,
49,'0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,585,
50,'2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,585,
51,'16,Bet,10,36,-10,26,611,1 :
52,'28,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,601,1 :
53,'13,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,591,1 :
54,'19,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,581,1 :
55,'11,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,571,1 :
56,'26,Bet,10,36,-10,26,597,1 :
57,'32,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,587,1 :
58,'19,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,577,1 :
59,'16,Bet,10,36,-10,26,603,1 :
60,'14,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,593,1 :
61,'23,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,583,1 :
62,'28,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,573,1 :
63,'34,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,563,1 :
64,'11,Bet,10,36,-10,26,589,1 :
65,'3,Bet,12,36,-12,24,613,1 :
66,'32,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,603,1 :
67,'32,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,593,1 :
68,'3,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,583,1 :
69,'15,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,573,1 :
70,'28,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,563,1 :
71,'0,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,553,1 :
72,'36,Bet,12,36,-12,24,577,4 :
73,'3,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,567,1 :
74,'4,Bet,10,36,-10,26,593,1 :
75,'34,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,585,1 :
76,'24,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,577,1 :
77,'22,Bet,8,36,-8,28,605,1 :
78,'29,Bet,10,36,-10,26,631,1 :
79,'16,Bet,12,36,-12,24,655,3 :
80,'30,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,645,1 :
81,'12,Bet,10,36,-10,26,671,1 :
82,'17,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,661,1 :
83,'16,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,651,1 :
84,'5,Bet,10,36,-10,26,677,1 :
85,'35,Bet,10,36,-10,26,703,1 :
86,'2,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,693,1 :
87,'21,Bet,10,36,-10,26,719,1 :
88,'28,Bet,10,36,-10,26,745,1 :
89,'0,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,735,1 :
90,'24,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,725,1 :
91,'27,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,715,1 :
92,'24,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,705,1 :
93,'15,Bet,10,36,-10,26,731,1 :
94,'30,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,719,4 :
95,'33,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,707,4 :
96,'19,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,695,4 :
97,'29,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,683,4 :
98,'0,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,671,4 :
99,'1,Bet,12,36,-12,24,695,4 :
100,'33,Bet,10,36,-10,26,721,1 :
101,'4,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,711,1 :
102,'9,Bet,10,36,-10,26,737,1 :
103,'8,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,727,1 :
104,'29,Bet,10,36,-10,26,753,1 :
105,'15,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,741,1 :
106,'26,Bet,12,0,-12,-12,729,1 :
107,'1,Bet,12,36,-12,24,753,1 :
108,'25,Bet,10,0,-10,-10,743,1 :
109,'33,Bet,10,36,-10,26,769,1 :


Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: winkel on August 22, 2009, 06:02:22 PM
@numero
Quote47,'21,Bet,13,72,-13,59,585,1 :
please explain:

How do you win 72 units flatbetting (betting 13 numbers with 13 units) on a straight number?

br
winkel
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 22, 2009, 06:29:31 PM
Quote from: Winkel on August 22, 2009, 06:02:22 PM
@numeroplease explain:

How do you win 72 units flatbetting (betting 13 numbers with 13 units) on a straight number?

br
winkel

You're right.
It is a mistake : The only mistake in the betting history...
Put 2 chips on a number instead off one...
Sorry for the mix.

Final result : 769 - 36 = 733
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: winkel on August 22, 2009, 06:40:58 PM
The same mistake happened in your first history several times.

If you just explain, what bet-selection you are using, we could tell something about the probabilities.
Otherwise it is boring reading game-histories full of mistakes with too few results just showing any win, nobody knows what is going on.

Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 22, 2009, 07:26:07 PM
You think that my system is not "GUT" ?  ;)
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 22, 2009, 07:52:46 PM
Quote from: Winkel on August 22, 2009, 06:40:58 PM
The same mistake happened in your first history several times.

If you just explain, what bet-selection you are using, we could tell something about the probabilities.
Otherwise it is boring reading game-histories full of mistakes with too few results just showing any win, nobody knows what is going on.




Bet selection was explained :
rjeaton1
I want to thank you very much for your courteous explanation.
Yes this system is flat betting but sometimes I must play 5 or 6 or 12 numbers...

Thank you again for RX : Yes I'm interested to code it.
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: winkel on August 22, 2009, 09:37:11 PM
Quote from: numero36 on August 22, 2009, 07:26:07 PM
You think that my system is not "GUT" ?  ;)

No, but I started explaining G.U.T not with wrong statistics and graphs whioch show jsut any result.

I started explaining the bet selection to everyone.

pls do also

not only to one but to all.

br
winkel
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: Natural9 on August 23, 2009, 05:05:35 AM
Quote from: Winkel on August 22, 2009, 09:37:11 PM
No, but I started explaining G.U.T not with wrong statistics and graphs whioch show jsut any result.

I started explaining the bet selection to everyone.

pls do also

not only to one but to all.

br
winkel


Winkel

Its riddles bloody riddles isnt it

Why not he just show the bet selection then it could be tweaked or proven right or wrong
Riddles bloody riddles arrgggg

At least Winkel revealed his bet selection in gut and got the whole forum buzzing with it at one stage


Regards Rodney
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: numero36 on August 23, 2009, 01:23:58 PM
Good Luck  :rtfm: :

nolinks://nolinks.random.org/dice/?num=6 (nolinks://nolinks.random.org/dice/?num=6)
Title: Re: Did mechanical systems exists ?
Post by: Pactole on January 09, 2010, 06:02:11 PM
Did anyone ever understood numero36's "mechanical system"?

It "seems" profitable. . .