First of all i would ask you to take some permanence tracking gathering dozens/columns in three blocks
or columns separeted. You know dozens 1/2, 1/3 and 2/3 and put sign + when a hit and - when that
column dont hit. See patterns and tell me. Later we can talk how to play paroli on them always on +
patterns or threads as you prefer call them with the amount of chips without progression. Winning and
losing patterns. Losing patterns are no worth betting on it.
How to play got to do with frecuency of appearence of threads + (hits) like the ones in the
past spun. Youll see + threads of 7, 8 20 in a row from time to time. Do you know how to catch them?
QuoteDo you know how to catch them?
a) Bruteforce = Betting after every w... you'll sure catch any string of w's.
b) statistical/balance = After a swing in the L's, you try to catch some "correction" in the form of longer strings of w's. This requires patience, but I've seen the cycles of L's followed by cycles of w's (more "density" of them VS the ideal).
How is your line of thought regarding this Carlos?
Regards,
Victor
Thanks for your interest Victor. I see youve been doing some tracking of the dozen/columns.
You are right, Ls dont take into account they just tell you when and how Ws strings are cuting. Most
important count + or what's the same Ws hits in a row. Column filling Ws 2,3,4 in a row dont tell us
nothing or better they tell us its no worth betting on them. No mind if you fill like betting on them, but
that should be little business. But when you see a string of 5 Ws or more pay close attention and see,
when it cuts, if another big one come afterwards. All this tracking in all three columns.
That column with those long Lw strings will start again with the usual 1, 2 3 or 4 Lw in a row but when a
big Lw produce again, wait till it finishes and then, but not before, hit hard that a second long string will
produce because of the past 2, 3 or 4 long strings. Its up to you looking behind if betting on 1 or two
more long strings to produce. Roulette has a memory of iron ;)
So:
a)brutforce? NOT at all, just being smooth like a surgeon
b)patience? YES, big cuantities of it but no waiting so much as someone could imply, later the reward
will be in accordance with that great patience.
Next chapter, the bets on paroli with 2 chips on both dozens to play a progression with the Casino's money.
QuoteNext chapter, the bets on paroli with 2 chips on both dozens to play a progression with the Casino's money.
We wait eagerly for it!
If you want I can split this thread since this is more of "Carpanta's Teachings" rather than "Questions for lanky" ;)
Regards,
Victor
QuoteThat column with those long Lw strings will start again with the usual 1, 2 3 or 4
Lw in a row but when a big Lw produce again, wait till it finishes and then, but not before,
hit hard that a second long string will produce because of the past 2, 3 or 4 long strings.
So as not to be misunderstood, i wanted to say:
That column with those long
Ws strings will start again with the usual 1, 2 3 or 4
Ws in a
row but when a big
Ws in a row produce again, wait till it finishes and then, but not before, hit
hard that a second
Ws long string will be spun because in the recent past we've seen 2, 3, 4 long
strings in a row(of course with 1 or more
LWs between them)
[smiley=lolk.gif]mate Victor, that's too much! IF you feel like starting a thread with all this stuff I dont
mind.
But that about Carpanta'sTeachings, please NO. I dont have as much to teach so as to have a school for
myself [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]
And to be honest, but not humble, some things i CANT teach. What i can share its okey to do some good bucks.
Regards friend
My Friend Carpanta,
I think maybe we title you scientist/observer. Only a scientist who is the best observer of all would put into print these observations you have made.
best regards,
LeBear
Coming soon. While doing some checkings.
I see ive been doing very good friends [smiley=lolk.gif] What's all that about me?!!! Thanks a lot but you are far away from telling the truth. Ive got those backgrounds of a scientist like those from a farmer and i grant you i'm cosmopolitan.
Regards,
Carlos
As i was telling you... there is a way to make the bankroll resistent enough against those
really "unlucky" days.
Bets will be played in paroli. 2 chips on every dozen selected in base how i explained in my former
post, with the correction in the second one. This initial bet of 2 chips per dozen will be the first of a 3 x
10 steps ladder, 30 (+/-) coups with no winnings or few Ws and too many Ls.
Clever people here (all of you) will see sometimes we'll have to add 1 chip on every dozen played so as
to level odds amounts.
Next two steps ladder double the initial bet, so 2, 4, 8 chips on every dozen/column played. Second step
try to recover losses from the first, the third from the second and 4th the first one to go home, mind-
broken and without money.
Bankroll 300/320 chips would do. So those are the chips lost in the worse scenario, but nothing
impossible in roulette. Winnings:60 chips (20% bankroll), its okey per sesion. If you are too greedy or
too many debts? on your back, you can try 100 chips, everything is possible too!
All the same if you lose your whole bankroll you should think about quiting this business, its not for you.
Piano piano si va lontano (and italian saying), google can translate it but dont wait much of the
translation. Dont mind its for free.
Be continued...
Be water mates!
Carlos.
Anybody interested in this stuff want to write down a tracking of these three columns or dozens
or columns? Dont mix them please, thanks. [smiley=lolk.gif]
Some 60-80 spins could be enough. Better in a row every column, its easier to look at...for me.
Later we can comment it. A practical example do a lot.
You want a permanence transformed in 1/2/3 format? :) I can provide that, is it? [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Pick one, dozens or columns? Which one suits you the most, as I know some people like to have the numbers batched together ( dozens ) instead of scattered and vice-versa!!!
QuoteYou want a permanence transformed in 1/2/3 format? :) I can provide that, is it? [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
Pick one, dozens or columns? Which one suits you the most, as I know some people like to have the
numbers batched together ( dozens ) instead of scattered and vice-versa!!!
Right Victor, one transformed to 1/2/3 format. I suppose everybody will understand than there are the
proper numbers behind it! Just enough + for a hit, 1 for a loss, of course they mean Ws and Ls hits
trends.
Dozen or Colum its up to you mate. Wont make a difference.
Do you feel like making the perm comment? I wont do it better.
Sorry man,
QuoteJust enough + for a hit, 1 for a loss, of course they mean Ws and Ls hits
trends.
Number 1 a mistake, - sign is right. Change it please.
3.26 a.m. here mate
I just couldn't go to bed without having posted the first download of our software!
QuoteRight Victor, one transformed to 1/2/3 format.
Instead of spending plenty of time transforming, I better spend the time coding a tool to make it and post it as a new release at the VLSroulette Software section!
That surely can bring more benefit for all of us. Besides it shouldn't take much time. Hopefully tomorrow I can code it & post it for everyone to enjoy.
Best regards,
Victor
Cool!! Victor. You are great man! We'll take profit of it. Nothing like this, being hours tracking perms not
nice work. Its rather tedious. For the last 10 years internet and softs have done for roulette play more
than all done till now since it was invented.
Thanks a lot Victor,
Un abrazo compa,
Carlos
hi carlos, would you make us a 10-spin-example to clearify some items?
you said play on 2 dozens or 2 columns and do it with progression 2/4/8/16 and so on, didn´t you?
do you play the 2 last spun ever?
best regards
Hello Toby, no, if you read carefully the thread youll see tracking dozens has the mean to find long
strings of Ws when they produce, what number, how many long series of Ws separated by 1, 2, 3
etc Ls or if there was just 1 serie long and then again short series of 2 3 4 Ws.
This tracking is to start betting after a long serie of Ws show again when in recent past you have seen 2
or more long series of Ws, you know series of 5, 6 or more Ws.
About betting i think its quite clear i dont play martingala. On the other way round a mild progression of
3 steps ladder, every step has got the same amount of chips for every dozen. First step 2 chips x dozen
x 10 losses, second 4 chips x dozen x 10 losses, third 8 chips x dozen x 10 losses.
Each step try to recover losses from the one behind.
You must understand that all the time you are playing paroli, so repeating bet with your original chips
and the ones got after hits summed to those. You stop paroli if a loss or when you arrive to the lowest
number of pasts long series of Ws.
Regards,
Carlos.
ok carlos, you track on 2 dozens or columns.
you wait for a long row of Ws for example 6 hit
you see the break and when it re-start you bet on the 2 dozens to repeat a long Ws
I soppouse you have studied lots of permanences watching the event of a cut of a long Ws and its new start.
You play with a step ladder prog of 2 2 2 4 4 4 6 6 6 etc to recoup any bad start, don´t you?
or you just play flat?
good approuch yours on this study but it need to be fullproof
I´ve never paid attention to the long Ws and its cut and what happens next.
regards
One year late implementation but not too late I expect :)
I know not much attention been paid to this way of tracking. Well, I forgive you!!! lol.
Victor's and Lanky's way to play dozens arouse in me again to come back to this tracking sistem of LAST DOZEN spun. Not 2 last dozens spun. I want to make it clear.
Let see what patterns are shown in each column.
3 dozens(columns) have 3 possible ways to relate among them: 1/2 1/3 2/3.
So here the perm (Dublinbet from JLP, posted in this forum) and some tracking:
Dealer DARIUS 1/2 1/3 2/3
36 L W W
34 L W W Bet on 1/3 or 2/3 waiting to have a theird W.
28 L W W so a W
14 W L W
12 W W L bet column 1/2 to have a theird W.
6 W W L so a W and 1/3 to have a theird W.
5 W W L so a W stop betting now.
12 W W L
12 W W L
27 L W W
7 W W L
27 L W W
28 L W W bet column 2/3 to have a theird W.
23 W L W so a W
11 W W L bet column 1/2 to have another W in a row
3 W W L so a W bet on column 1/3 for a W
1 W W L so a W stop betting
31 L W W
21 Dealer VIRGINIA W L W bet on column 2/3 for a W
0 (SKIP 0 JUST A LOSS) so a loss f**king 0 lol
22 W L W a W now bet on column 1/2 for a W
28 L W W so a L here
4 W W L bet on column 1/3 for a theird W
7 W W L so a W b et on column 1/2 for a theird W
14 W L W so a W
2 W W L
4 W W L bet on column 1/3 for a W
19 W L W so a L
14 W L W bet on column 2/3 for a W
35 L W W so a W
27 L W W bet on column 1/3 for a W
5 W W L so a W
7 W W L bet on column 1/2 for a W
1 W W L so a W
6 W W L
25 L W W
14 W L W bet on column 2/3 for a W
29 L W W so a W
3 W W L bet on column 1/3 for a W
2 W W L so a W bet on column 1/2 for a W
2 W W L so a W
3 W W L
34 L W W
17 W L W bet on column 2/3 for a W
36 L W W so a W
9 W W L bet on column 1/3 for a W
22 W L W and you have a L Bet on column 1/2 for a W
6 W W L so a W
7 W W L bet on column 1/3 for a W
11 Dealer ANNA S W W L so a W
30 L W W
0
35 L W W bet on column 2/3 for a W
18 W L W so a W
11 W W L bet on column 1/2 for a W (Imao take off the bet you are leaving the Casino a winner today :thumbsup:
but dont feel so proud for another they this same pattern will kill you, it was just that today we followed the music pattern quite smooth ;)
What do you think about betting continuos on second W ( so 3 w in a row) repetion? Just an idea.
Or if im having W's series between L's then i go on betting these W's series to continue.
Or if W's coming isolated between L's bet that pattern will continue.
In this example column 1/3 all W's between L's are at least serie of 2W (or more) so no isolated W's.
Cheers,
Carlos.
These numbers belong to Lanky's in this post:
nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/questions-for-lanky/ (nolinks://vlsroulette.com/situational-strategy-play/questions-for-lanky/)
I expect Lionel doesnt mind my using them.
As in my previous post after this pattern (L)LWW in whatever Column i bet looking for a W to come. So 3 W's in a row. Most of the time this event happens in cascade between 3 Columns. I find it is a consistent event due to the way of tracking or due to whaterver reason i can't explain.
1/2 1/3 2/3
1-- W W L
29 L W W
10 W W L
11 W W L
29 L W W L in column 1/2
15 W L W
32 L W W W in 2/3
21 W L W
10 W W L
22 W L W W in 1/2
20 W L W
34 L W W W in 2/3
5 W W L
18 W L W L IN 1/3
17 W L W W in 1/2
32 L W W w in 2/3
24 W L W
19 W L W
13 W L W w in 1/2
14 W L W
19 W L W
14 W L W
31 L W W
21 W L W
35 L W W
32 L W W
13 W L W L in 1/3
24 W L W
17 W L W W in 1/2
18 W L W
17 W L W
23 W L W
7 Wins 2 Losses
If any interest i'll follow another day.
Cheers,
Carlos.
Something important i forgot to say. With this 7 wins i would have + 18 chips. 2 losses would have been -8 chips.
Why? Because i play a simple paroli. First bet 2 chips on either dozen, if a win i bet next W to come with my original chips and the price for my previous win.
Last win in column 1/2 was a single bet because there were no more numbers in the permanence to play a paroli. So in fact I would have won 20 - 8 = 12 chips in this example.
2 paroli wun cover 2 losses and give you 1 chip plus.
As this event i'm talking about is quite consistent it let me bet this way.
Im working on longer paroli to catch those long W's strings so frecuent. The idea: play with the Casino money part of the time with a partial % recovery so as not to lose all gains because of a L during the paroli.
But this is another story.
This thread was intended to put in it my particular way to see Victor's Lw's. So i feel backed to go on with my thoughts in loud voice.
We all know when we have a L while tracking it means that last 2 dozens shown failed to show in last spin. In fact last result skipped both last 2 different dozens shown.
When having w's it is due to 2 different circumstances: because last dozen repeated or the dozen prior to that jumped.
Our reasoning should be that we have neccesarily only 3 possible different results: last dozen repeat, prior dozen jump and both last differents dozens skip.
Abbreviating it we have LC, LJ or LS.
Now while doing the tracking of Lw's in a column we will write the last result as in this example:
D Last result Tracking C, J, S
25 3
10 1
16 2 S L
22 2 C L
27 3 S W
14 2 J L
3 1 S W
9 1 C L
15 2 J L
2 1 J W
28 3 S L
19 2 S W
7 1 S W
31 3 S W
4 1 J W
27 3 J W
17 2 S W
34 3 J W
7 1 S W
18 2 S W
16 2 C L
Tracking this way we are following the ball movement which is telling us where to place our bets.
Any insights?
Cheers,
Carlos