I don't know where folks ever started to think that they can predict:
1) Next Roulette spin
2) Next throw of the dice
3) Next hand dealt in Blackjack
4) Next coin flip
To be able to do so would be such an earth shaking event that world attention and unbelievable rewards await you. Mathematics would be shaken to it's core value - what we now look at as random, like random bursts of X-rays from distant suns, could be full of information for us to learn; messages from other life forms.
There are NO verifiable "systems" that stand up to open review that I know of - they are always "secret" and you must pay money to learn the "secret(s)".
If someone has such a "system" they should immediately publish it in a scientific journal and they will be awarded the Nobel Prize for Mathematics which has a $1,000,000 prize. The movie rights, book rights, and heck even a New York Play rights would easily generate tens of millions of dollars. Then there are sponsorships like being on the Wheaties cereal box - have your own clothing line, etc.
So all you folks with secret "systems" why charge $7 or $97 when you can easily make millions and be known to just about every person on earth?
Who wouldn't want to be on national TV and be invited to the White House?
Predicting future random events from past random occurrences eludes science right now - maybe you have the key?
You guys need to stop thinking nickel and dime and start to think mega-millions...........
P.S.
When you make your first million, don't forget about me - I gave you the idea.....
I think from your posts that you take the point that no-one can predict randomness?
At this exact moment in time I would agree. Certainly, there are a lot of scammers out there selling systems which claim to beat roulette which ultimately fail.
It is, however, possible that one day the breakthrough will be discovered. With a strong emphasis on 'possible'
If you were to pluck a person out of the 15th century and show them the world as it is today they would say everything was impossible: computers, ipods, skyscrapers, mobile phones etc
The most important thing for any scientist, in my opinion, is not to prove something to be true or false but TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND.
It is the struggle, the searching, the desire to go on and evolve, to better ourselves, that makes us human
Do not get too attached to the viewpoint randomness can never be predicted. NEVER is a very long time.
Will humans ever be able to predict randomness? I don't have a clue. Could be yes or no. Rather than trying to convince people one way or the other, just attempting to do it, be able to predict randomness in numbers, is a noble quest.
Well noble for getting rich at roulette lol :P
Ha Ha, quite right MauiSunset. ;D
I detect a note of sarcasm in your comments. :sarcastic:
The truth (as you have noticed), is that no-one has found any system which will stand up to a rigorous peer review process. Folks have simply been "fooled by randomness". Notice the pattern: someone creates a system which seems to do well, more testing shows it was a dud, so its dumped in the ever-growing holy grail graveyard. Another system is tried, then another, then another. Purely by luck, some will appear to be winners, for a while... but then the inevitable happens and it crashes. And so it goes on.
Some remain on this sorry-go-round for years. :o
Damn shame really.
I too suspect that ALL the "systems" to predict future outcomes from past events are phony and a con game.
However, if such a "system" does exist it would be earth shaking to science and it should be published for the good of mankind. I'm serious.
So on the off chance someone is selling the next successor to fire, the wheel, atomic energy, and the computer please do us a favor and publish your findings ASAP and stop keeping it a secret.
Please....
Why publish it ? So it can be plagarized ? Let`s not be so altruistic for the benefit of those leeches. :diablo:
NUFF SAID!! :ok:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on January 29, 2011, 02:52:02 PM
Why publish it ? So it can be plagarized ? Let`s not be so altruistic for the benefit of those leeches. :diablo:
HUFF SAID!! :ok:
Nathan Detroit
HAPPY WINNINGS!!!
I don't think you guys realize what predicting something from past random events means - mathematically.
It's huge - Nobel Prize material, in the same class as Newton, Einstein, etc.
On many gambling sites its so common place for folks to say they can predict future events that to actually have something that does do that would be classified a national secret - your article would never be published; you'd get a knock at your door in the middle of the night and you and your article would disappear for a long long time.
When you look at the latest encryption, like PGP, no computer can break the random characters for millions of years, and your technique would break it instantly - that is something governments would pay zillions of dollars for.
There are NO trends or anything but random numbers from state of the art encryption programs - to break it in an instant is monumental.
That's why folks claiming to own something that looks at random numbers and can accurately forecast/break that randomness have something worth much more than $47 on your VISA card.
For some time now I've really been trying hard to figure out this reading random caper - so far not the greatest results.
I think I have developed a very successful hair replacement tonic though - perhaps I should pursue that, it could be worth a few dollars - whatcha think?
i go to the casino my aim is to win one or two hundred. i back single numbers based on past spins. i cannot gurantee that the number will play. but i win . how could you play roulette without past number. stick a pin in the chart.
I think, no I know, the problem so many gamblers have with statistics/probability is wanting more than what's there.
When I flip a coin 10 times and Heads comes up 8 times the natural tendency is to expect #11 to "come back to normalcy"; bet Tails.
I don't believe any statical tool says that - I could be wrong; I'm just an engineer and not a math whiz.
Now if you said in the next 10 flips I expect more Tails than Heads that kind of makes some sense.
But you can't gamble like that in a casino.
If the last 15 Roulette colors have 13 Red then you might have an argument that in the next 15 spins you would expect to see more Blacks than Reds - but how does that help you with the next spin?
Hope that helps a bit....
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 29, 2011, 07:54:46 PM
I think, no I know, the problem so many gamblers have with statistics/probability is wanting more than what's there.
When I flip a coin 10 times and Heads comes up 8 times the natural tendency is to expect #11 to "come back to normalcy"; bet Tails.
I don't believe any statical tool says that - I could be wrong; I'm just an engineer and not a math whiz.
Now if you said in the next 10 flips I expect more Tails than Heads that kind of makes some sense.
But you can't gamble like that in a casino.
If the last 15 Roulette colors have 13 Red then you might have an argument that in the next 15 spins you would expect to see more Blacks than Reds - but how does that help you with the next spin?
Hope that helps a bit....
Your generalization of what others or most gamblers do is known as a classic.
Gambler's fallacy: nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy)
Trust me that when I say that people around here know about gambler's fallacy. Just look it up if you don't think it has been covered.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2011, 08:11:33 PM
Your generalization of what others or most gamblers do is known as a classic.
Gambler's fallacy: nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy (nolinks://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy)
Trust me that when I say that people around here know about gambler's fallacy. Just look it up if you don't think it has been covered.
Great - now everyone knows why seeing 10 Reds in a row means that picking Red is just as valid as picking Black.
Use my watch trick as your source of a random choice to a random question - you can't do better.
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 29, 2011, 08:17:19 PM
Great - now everyone knows why seeing 10 Reds in a row means that picking Red is just as valid as picking Black.
Use my watch trick as your source of a random choice to a random question - you can't do better.
OK, I'll take a chance. You can start selling your "watch trick" now. What is your "watch trick?"
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2011, 08:21:13 PM
OK, I'll take a chance. You can start selling your "watch trick" now. What is your "watch trick?"
When I visit a casino my main game is Blackjack - and after a few hours at the table I've got to take a break. Craps is where I normally wind up since it's very hard to find a European Roulette table. But online I like European Roulette since it moves much faster than craps.
Anyway for Craps I only bet on the Pass line with follow up bets to it and there isn't much more to do.
On Roulette, however, I play just Black/Red and use my watch to tell me which color to pick. I simply look at the last color spun and look at the seconds on my digital watch - if I see an even second I bet the last color, if I see an odd second I bet the opposite color.
That's all I do at Roulette.
But on both Craps and Roulette I use various money management techniques that I favor and I normally have a great time. I don't second guess any decision at either game since no decision was ever made in the bet; 100% luck for the outcome and 100% me for the money management.
That's my little randomization trick I use....
I must congratulate you for finding a mindless bet selection process based on a simple rule. It happens to be the preferred method or method to search for of all new gamblers. Everyone wants a fool proof way to turn a casino into their own personal ATM machine. In your case it's your fun night out. So how you lose your money, to reach your goal, it might as well be as mindless as possible. In fact it makes perfect sense. You want to spend your money while your mind is in a neutral state of bliss. And, you want others to think that you are very wise for thinking this way. It does not impress me. It won't impress any other professionals around here either.
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 29, 2011, 08:29:36 PM
When I visit a casino my main game is Blackjack - and after a few hours at the table I've got to take a break. Craps is where I normally wind up since it's very hard to find a European Roulette table. But online I like European Roulette since it moves much faster than craps.
Anyway for Craps I only bet on the Pass line with follow up bets to it and there isn't much more to do.
On Roulette, however, I play just Black/Red and use my watch to tell me which color to pick. I simply look at the last color spun and look at the seconds on my digital watch - if I see an even second I bet the last color, if I see an odd second I bet the opposite color.
That's all I do at Roulette.
But on both Craps and Roulette I use various money management techniques that I favor and I normally have a great time. I don't second guess any decision at either game since no decision was ever made in the bet.
That's my little randomization trick I use....
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2011, 08:39:02 PM
I must congratulate you for finding a mindless bet selection process based on a simple rule. It happens to be the preferred method or method to search for of all new gamblers. Everyone wants a fool proof way to turn a casino into their own personal ATM machine. In your case it's your fun night out. So how you lose your money, to reach your goal, it might as well be as mindless as possible. In fact it makes perfect sense. You want to spend your money while your mind is in a neutral state of bliss. And, you want others to think that you are very wise for thinking this way. It does not impress me. It won't impress any other professionals around here either.
I believe that gambling is entertainment, not a way to make a living.
When I do something for entertainment I want to have fun. At Vegas I get my fair share of free drinks and I'm always having a fantastic time. I set up a budget for each day's gambling that closely resembles what it cost's me to visit and play in Maui and snowboarding in Park City.
That's all I do and expect from gambling - have a great time.
I know the math and there is no way to make a fortune from the casinos over the long run so I've decided to just have fun. Learning what other gamblers do is fun too - I get a kick out of it.
So if you learn anything from me its to have a fun time at Vegas or on the Internet and using a few tricks, like my watch trick, takes all the stress out of gambling - at least for Craps and Roulette and Baccarat.
Blackjack is a totally different animal - but even there my little plasticized card I lay on the table takes all the stress of what to do away. If you think Roulette has "super secret" systems, Blackjack is the mother of all "super secret" systems.
That's my outlook at gambling - if you get something from it I'm happy to have been of service; if not do you own thing.....
MauiSunset, you are possibly the perfect person to teach for my legacy. I have my reasons. I wonder if you can handle reaching an epiphany with regards to revelations that would be very tempting to publish. I wonder if you could keep it a secret instead of taking a bow at MIT. I can take your fun & entertainment and put it on steroids. I can completely change your mind. It takes time. It usually takes about 30 sessions on live chat. That includes real playing one on one in order to teach and to open your eyes. I charge $300 per student and I don't insist on a non disclosure agreement. So far nobody has come forward and nobody has disclosed the method. I guess they are waiting for the casinos to catch on first. They are all guarding the opportunity that still exists. If I can't open your eyes then that's a failure on my account to teach you. There is a small chance that you are closed minded and can't deal with abstract thinking.
From what it sounds like, $300 to shut someone like me down might be fun for you. I know it would be fun for me to open your eyes. That's at least worth $10 per hour. What do you say? Can you keep a secret that is worth keeping a secret?
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2011, 09:03:25 PM
MauiSunset, you are possibly the perfect person to teach for my legacy. I have my reasons. I wonder if you can handle reaching an epiphany with regards to revelations that would be very tempting to publish. I wonder if you could keep it a secret instead of taking a bow at MIT. I can take your fun & entertainment and put it on steroids. I can completely change your mind. It takes time. It usually takes about 30 sessions on live chat. That includes real playing one on one in order to teach and to open your eyes. I charge $300 per student and I don't insist on a non disclosure agreement. So far nobody has come forward and nobody has disclosed the method. I guess they are waiting for the casinos to catch on first. They are all guarding the opportunity that still exists. If I can't open your eyes then that's a failure on my account to teach you. There is a small chance that you are closed minded and can't deal with abstract thinking.
From what it sounds like, $300 to shut someone like me down might be fun for you. I know it would be fun for me to open your eyes. That's at least worth $10 per hour. What do you say? Can you keep a secret that is worth keeping a secret?
I loved Ronald Reagan, best President I've known. I also love his most famous saying "Trust, but verify".
Not that I don't trust what you are doing, but I really need some kind of verification; it's nothing personal.
A simple demonstration in real time is all that I require. I've set up a virtual DJIA roulette here but it takes 1 business day per spin. If someone has a quicker way to see 10 spins and 10 predictions I'm open to it.
I did check into a Roulette wheel on Facebook that 6 folks can play in real time and am awaiting the reply from the author of the product - he wants $250, if I can get him down closer to $50 I'll buy it and set it up.
But I'm open to ideas....
How can I verify or validate something that requires a minimum of 30 hours chat one on one. Some of my students just began to see the whole picture long after real time playing experiences. That was after the basics. You can tell something to a person but that does not mean they can see it. I know. I have spent the time with these students. i know where they get stuck and I know why. They get stuck on reading randomness. It takes practice and personal guidance to widen the scope of vision regarding it. I created software to demonstrate everything. I use it to play in real time. Even live play at real on line casinos. What I don't get is this. You will blow $300 in an evening, all in fun. But you won't risk talking with me privately for 30 hours. I say you are afraid that I can do what I say I can.
You did not answer my question. Could you keep it a secret or would you want to be the jerk that kills the golden goose? You see, I'm far more interested in your character and how you value things than your measly $300.
That $300 is a test on my part. It used to be $500. But I discovered how to teach this the best with the first students so I lowered the cost. Eleven people is all that hold the secret, that's if you can keep a secret that is. Just your word. No non disclosure agreement. The person that outs this will be loved and admired by the other ten.
C'mon, you don't mean that. You don't really love Ronald Reagan. I mean really, do you?
Quote from: birdhands on January 29, 2011, 09:42:15 PM
C'mon, you don't mean that. You don't really love Ronald Reagan. I mean really, do you?
How could you not love Reagan?
"Hi, I'm from the government, and I'm here to help."
"...government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem."
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 29, 2011, 09:26:02 PM
How can I verify or validate something that requires a minimum of 30 hours chat one on one. Some of my students just began to see the whole picture long after real time playing experiences. That was after the basics. You can tell something to a person but that does not mean they can see it. I know. I have spent the time with these students. I know where they get stuck and I know why. They get stuck on reading randomness. It takes practice and personal guidance to widen the scope of vision regarding it. I created software to demonstrate everything. I use it to play in real time. Even live play at real on line casinos. What I don't get is this. You will blow $300 in an evening, all in fun. But you won't risk talking with me privately for 30 hours. I say you are afraid that I can do what I say I can.
You did not answer my question. Could you keep it a secret or would you want to be the jerk that kills the golden goose? You see, I'm far more interested in your character and how you value things than your measly $300.
That $300 is a test on my part. It used to be $500. But I discovered how to teach this the best with the first students so I lowered the cost. Eleven people is all that hold the secret, that's if you can keep a secret that is. Just your word. No non disclosure agreement. The person that outs this will be loved and admired by the other ten.
Thank you for your offer but without proof I've got enough things to keep me busy.
As to keeping secrets the problem is you've apparently disclosed your technique to 10 folks who are free to release it, I honestly would not want to get involved with that legal mess when word leaks out.
I'll just keep doing what I've been doing for a long time - have a ball gambling........
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 30, 2011, 01:15:48 AM
Thank you for your offer but without proof I've got enough things to keep me busy.
As to keeping secrets the problem is you've apparently disclosed your technique to 10 folks who are free to release it, I honestly would not want to get involved with that legal mess when word leaks out.
I'll just keep doing what I've been doing for a long time - have a ball gambling........
What legal mess. It will just be you and people like you. You know. You Barney Fife types with your bullet in your shirt pocket. The truth will come out, and I will get the biggest laugh of my life. You will be the Flat Earthers around the time of Columbus. You will be the old concept of gravity before Einstein. You will be MauiSunset before Gizmotron. Fun -- my butt. There is no way losing money is fun. All I can say is one thing, "nip it in the bud" buddy.
Barney Fife - Nip It (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/watch?v=de_P2aUZJyA#)
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 30, 2011, 01:34:28 AM
What legal mess. It will just be you and people like you. You know. You Barney Fife types with your bullet in your shirt pocket. The truth will come out, and I will get the biggest laugh of my life. You will be the Flat Earthers around the time of Columbus. You will be the old concept of gravity before Einstein. You will be MauiSunset before Gizmotron. Fun -- my butt. There is no way losing money is fun. All I can say is one thing, "nip it in the bud" buddy.
Best of luck to you.....
Maui, I am going to offer you a friendly challenge!
I have read all your posts and you say that you are just into gambling to have some fun. Personally, I don't believe you. I think you are looking hard for a way to win and you are stumped like a lot of other people. So you look at MM techniques to try and cover over the lack of a winning bet selection. If you have some spare time, I am happy to go through 100 spins at a time, session by session, and I will proof to you that bet selection is the most important factor in winning at roulette. HOW? Because I will only be flat betting and you will see the profits continue to rise. It's a neat trick for a negative expectation game, would you not agree? All you need to do is to be able to prove where you got the numbers from afterwards to show their authenticity.
I have all the time in the world, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months. It is not to show that you are wrong and I am right. It is just to give credence to the fact that it is not impossible to predict future outcomes with enough degree of accuracy to gain an edge over the roulette wheel. However I suspect that you secretly think this is possible anyhow and that a lot of your comments are designed to mislead people.
I will not be offended if you refuse the offer
Quote from: John Gold on January 30, 2011, 01:19:04 PM
Maui, I am going to offer you a friendly challenge!
I have read all your posts and you say that you are just into gambling to have some fun. Personally, I don't believe you. I think you are looking hard for a way to win and you are stumped like a lot of other people. So you look at MM techniques to try and cover over the lack of a winning bet selection. If you have some spare time, I am happy to go through 100 spins at a time, session by session, and I will proof to you that bet selection is the most important factor in winning at roulette. HOW? Because I will only be flat betting and you will see the profits continue to rise. It's a neat trick for a negative expectation game, would you not agree? All you need to do is to be able to prove where you got the numbers from afterwards to show their authenticity.
I have all the time in the world, 1 week, 1 month, 3 months. It is not to show that you are wrong and I am right. It is just to give credence to the fact that it is not impossible to predict future outcomes with enough degree of accuracy to gain an edge over the roulette wheel. However I suspect that you secretly think this is possible anyhow and that a lot of your comments are designed to mislead people.
I will not be offended if you refuse the offer
OK, I accept your offer - thank you.
I build websites for a living now and can bring one up tomorrow that is just like this one - Simple Machine Forum. We can work there or if you want here - that's up to you. I only need 1 hr to bring it up - but I'm busy today with family matters. My website can be password protected, open to the public, or by invitation only if you want. (or a mixture of all of these)
Thanks for the offer.
Thank you Maui for accepting the offer.
I am more than happy for people to see what we are doing. Tomorrow is fine for a starting date. Like I say, I have all the time in the world and it will be only fair if I proof my claim over a long enough time period to settle your curiosity. There will be no excuses on my part, I will get right down to showing you excactly what works.
You could kind of say I am playing random against random much like yourself, but I do use previous spins as a guide and it does help me predict at an accurate enough rate to be able to beat the house edge quite comfortably.
I will leave the choice of which forum you would like to use up to you.
cheers
john
Great John,
I will send you a PM tomorrow when I'm setup and the address - it's up to you if you want to make it available to others. You already know how to operate it - it's just like this chat room.
Again, thanks.
Thanks, I am looking forward to it. :)
That's refreshing, someone actually willing to step up to the plate instead of just spouting gibberish (not mentioning any names :whistle: )
So John, are you going to make this a public demonstration? I have to admit I'm curious.
Mike, I am quite happy to make it a public demonstration. A session a day or whatever Maui feels is adequate over an extended period of time will go some way to giving my claims credence.
I am not claiming I know what the next number is going to be. What I am claiming is that you can accurately predict enough times to overcome the negative expectation.
Quote from: Mike on January 30, 2011, 02:55:32 PM
That's refreshing, someone actually willing to step up to the plate instead of just spouting gibberish (not mentioning any names :whistle: )
Hey Mike, it's clear that you are including me in that accusation. You should know this too. For more than three years I refused to share anything. After accusations from people like you, saying basically the same thing as you, I did come forward and disclose openly exactly what I was talking about. Ten people were curious enough to invest in my teaching. They were not a chicken shit like you. They took a small risk and reaped a reward for it. I gave them years of guidance and advice for an incredibly low price. I did it so that you are wrong as you can ever be. I did come forward and share it. In fact you think that you will be given a game wrecking holy grail for free now. Well good luck with that. Because if he really does go public with the final solution you will not get more than a few months to use it. You are in a paradox. You can't win if you can't use it. If you publicly publish it you will publicly end it. That will be real fun to watch. If John Gold comes forward and publishes the true method that beats Roulette then I will publish it all for free too. I will make sure Roulette is killed around the world. So go ahead. See if I care.
Quote from: John Gold on January 30, 2011, 03:04:06 PM
Mike, I am quite happy to make it a public demonstration. A session a day or whatever Maui feels is adequate over an extended period of time will go some way to giving my claims credence.
I am not claiming I know what the next number is going to be. What I am claiming is that you can accurately predict enough times to overcome the negative expectation.
Cool. :)
I have a few thoughts on making this secure. Forgive my nasty suspicious mind, but the thought occurs to me (and perhaps others) that this might be some scheme cooked up between you and Maui. :-\ Please neither of you take offense, I would just like to minimize the possibility that there is something fishy going on.
For that reason, I propose a moderator should provide the spins (my vote is for Bombus, but it could be any long-time and trusted member here). I assume you would prefer to have spins from a wheel and not a RNG?
Secondly, you need to have assurance that the spins aren't being manipulated or changed between bets. There's an easy way to ensure this won't happen. You can use a cryptographic hash function, there is a publicly available one (it's very secure) at nolinks://jssha.sourceforge.net/ (nolinks://jssha.sourceforge.net/)
The way it works is that the person providing the spins puts a sequence into the field (where it says "Input Text" in "Hashing Demo"). Say 10 spins at a time. This will generate an output hash. This hash will then be posted here prior to the spins being posted. When you have played the spins you can then input those last 10 numbers into the field and if the sequence of numbers hasn't been changed, you should get the very same output hash. Then just repeat the process.
@ Gizmotron,
Blah blah blah... :boredom:
I really couldn't care less. Put your money where your mouth is, talk is cheap.
Quote from: Mike on January 30, 2011, 03:42:57 PM
@ Gizmotron,
Blah blah blah... :boredom:
I really couldn't care less. Put your money where your mouth is, talk is cheap.
You have no idea how tempted I am to kill the game of roulette. To live to see it all come crashing down. That includes Baccarat, Black Jack, and Craps too. That means you will get to not give a damn with zest. Only one problem. Nobody will be at these forums reminiscing the good old days.
Mike, are side-bets allowed?
I want to put $5 on that we will not see any 'demonstration' tomorrow and another fiver on Gizmo to 'kill roulette around the world' (well, that's my jackpot-style bet but I expect someone to offer some good odds).
So... anyone interested?
;D
Such cynicism mistarlupo, but you make a good point.
Many have promised, NONE have delivered. ::)
''I want to put $5 on that we will not see any 'demonstration' tomorrow''
The last of the big spenders. ;D
Don't worry, I will be here. I have nothing to lose. That is the great thing about it. The only paradox in any of this bullshit is that you have all swallowed the lies hook line and sinker and the smart guys will just have to think up of new lies to feed you. I find that rather amusing.
If anyone thinks that if roulette dissapears, then that will signal the end of gaming parlours, they are mistaken. Times are changing.
The usual S.O.S. about those demonstrations and that does not mean " save our souls" :sarcastic:
I am all in favour of using the cryptographic hash function. That should allay any fears of any skullduggery going on.
It is only a few tests, I don't know why some of you are getting your knickers in a twist for. (unless you have some other vested interests) There are people out there making millions on all different types of gambling platforms. For there to be a few big winners, there has to be loads of losers. Don't all think I am giving anybody the golden goose, because I am certainly not and most people would find a way to kill the poor thing anyhow.
My aim will be to proof that it is possible to beat roulette over a long period. This will be evident by the z-score that my results produce. Roulette forums and roulette will still be here this time next year.
I just wanted to allay any fears that I was trying to bring the house down. ;D
This is mostly for the benefit of Mauri's curiosity that bet selection is not relevant in the decision making process of roulette. Please don't turn it into a drama. Thank you.
John,
You use any set of numbers you want - there is no need for any kind of verification.
This is simply a tutorial and each person will use an online casino, or actual table, to try out the techniques.
If I were buying this, sure I'd like some kind of independent stream of Roulette numbers, BEFORE I purchased it, but that's not the case.
I thank you for your generosity....
Quote from: MauiSunset on January 30, 2011, 04:32:11 PM
John,
You use any set of numbers you want - there is no need for any kind of verification.
I disagree. It's in the interests of everyone that the demo should be as bullet-proof as possible.
Ideally, you should play the spins in real time at an online casino like Dublinbet, that would ensure that the spins are genuine and not corrupted, but I don't see any way of you being able to do that unless there was some kind of online software synchronised to Dublinbet to ensure that you didn't do any "past posting".
BTW, it's nice to see that someone actually knows what z-score is. One of the problems with forums like this is that very few people know what it means for a result to be statistically significant. If they did, there would be no systems posted. ;D
Quote from: John Gold on January 30, 2011, 04:02:18 PM
The only paradox in any of this bullshit is that you have all swallowed the lies hook line and sinker and the smart guys will just have to think up of new lies to feed you. I find that rather amusing.
What do you mean lies? what are the lies?
Quote from: Mike on January 30, 2011, 04:54:43 PM
I disagree. It's in the interests of everyone that the demo should be as bullet-proof as possible.
Ideally, you should play the spins in real time at an online casino like Dublinbet, that would ensure that the spins are genuine and not corrupted, but I don't see any way of you being able to do that unless there was some kind of online software synchronised to Dublinbet to ensure that you didn't do any "past posting".
BTW, it's nice to see that someone actually knows what z-score is. One of the problems with forums like this is that very few people know what it means for a result to be statistically significant. If they did, there would be no systems posted. ;D
John can use my DJIA Roulette number generator if he wants - but it spits out only 1 number per business day. nolinks://vlsroulette.com/bet-selection/the-ultimate-roulette-system/msg126379/#msg126379
Date DJIA Spin
1/28/2011 11823.7 35
1/27/2011 11989.83 35
1/26/2011 11,985.44 3
1/25/2011 11977.19 29
1/24/2011 11980.52 29
1/21/2011 11871.84 2
1/20/2011 11822.8 19
1/19/2011 11825.29 9
1/18/2011 11837.93 15
1/14/2011 11787.38 29
1/13/2011 11731.9 31
1/12/2011 11755.44 17
1/11/2011 11671.88 23
1/10/2011 11637.45 21
1/7/2011 11674.76 15
1/6/2011 11697.31 13
1/5/2011 11722.89 18
1/4/2011 11691.18 29
1/3/2011 11670.75 21
Personally I use nolinks://nolinks.random.org/integers/ (nolinks://nolinks.random.org/integers/) when I want random numbers from a source that I know has no axe to grind.
I wish there were such a Roulette program that would allow folks to sit at the table, in real time, and see numbers and bets placed - but I don't know of one.
Here is a suggestion!
There is a live roulette site called challengejackpot. They spin the wheel every minute. I would be able to relay the bets through the chat facility. There is no way I can cheat or nobody can accuse me of being some part of conspiracy. I would probably demand the same kind of stringent controls if someone was trying to demonstrate to me that they could overcome the house edge. I can't be more fair than that.
Mike, let's just say there are a lot of people on the net with all kinds of vested interests when it comes to parting people with their money. There is as much disinformation as anything else out there when it comes to giving out gaming information. That is of course just my opinion and maybe a few would disagree. :D
Anyway, let's not get sidetracked. Maui, if you are happy for me to use a live platform like challengejackpot, I would be happy to.
The reason I suggest challengejackpot is because anybody can log on to watch that site without an account and they don't knock you off every 10 minutes or so if you are not having a bet. It would suit our purpose.
They have a live wheel with croupier and a few autowheels. I would prefer the live wheel with croupier. I think they go live every night here in the u.k between 5-12pm. I will need to double check that.
p.s. just checked, it's 6pm - 12am every night. The perfect vehicle for anyone wanting to conduct some tests over a period of time using real life conditions.
I actually agree with you Mike, there will be not many who claim all sorts who will offer to proof anything under real life conditions. (I am not referring to Gizmo, I actually think Gizmo has something to offer. I am referring to the crackpots like Wendel and a few others) :thumbsup:
I have a far better way to do this. Let's do it from the chat room right here at this forum. I'll use nolinks.dublinbet.com (nolinks://nolinks.dublinbet.com) live wheel to give out spins. It will be a real world test. It should be done when the wheel is busy so as to give everyone a fair chance to get the bets down in time.
Quote from: John Gold on January 30, 2011, 05:22:58 PM
The reason I suggest challengejackpot is because anybody can log on to watch that site without an account and they don't knock you off every 10 minutes or so if you are not having a bet. It would suit our purpose.
They have a live wheel with croupier and a few autowheels. I would prefer the live wheel with croupier. I think they go live every night here in the u.k between 5-12pm. I will need to double check that.
p.s. just checked, it's 6pm - 12am every night. The perfect vehicle for anyone wanting to conduct some tests over a period of time using real life conditions.
I actually agree with you Mike, there will be not many who claim all sorts who will offer to proof anything under real life conditions. (I am not referring to Gizmo, I actually think Gizmo has something to offer. I am referring to the crackpots like Wendel and a few others) :thumbsup:
I like this website - it's cool. The link is nolinks://nolinks.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette (nolinks://nolinks.challengejackpot.com/live_roulette) and you click "Play for Fun".
I live in St. Louis where I'm 6 hrs behind Zulu so it would be Noon - 6 PM each afternoon which is fine for me; don't know about others. I am self-employed and work out of my home so this is great.
I say use this.
I can add a live chat,IM, module to the chat room, same as here.
The minute between spins at challengejackpot is perfect. It means that I am not going to make any mistakes. 20-25 seconds at dublinbet is not enough time to calculate the bet and type it out in the chatroom.
p.s. I will be here tomorrow then at 6pm my time ready to rock and roll. :thumbsup:
Anybody else want to join in, feel free. Should get in about 100 spins in a few hours. I will be aiming to win but it's not a competition, let's have some fun!
****I live in St. Louis where I'm 6 hrs behind Zulu so it would be Noon - 6 PM each afternoon*******************
Who is Zulu? Is he a moderator? I've not seen him post anything
''Who is Zulu?''
Does he use fuzzy wuzzy logic?
ZULU time.
nolinks://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/zulu.htm (nolinks://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/zulu.htm)
You would not believe this I once used Zulu time in a chat room and some cat called me a racist.
N.D.
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on January 30, 2011, 07:23:24 PM
ZULU time.
nolinks://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/zulu.htm (nolinks://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/zulu.htm)
You would not believe this I once used Zulu time in a chat room and some ignoramus called me a racist.
N.D.
People who actually use "Zulu" time or UCT or GMT, depending on when you were alive, generally refer to it as "Z" time.
For example... "We'll meet you at the drop zone at "twenty three hundred Z".
2300Z is currently 6pm local time for me.
If you use it a lot, it becomes second nature to realize what time it is, especially if you do a lot of global travel, which I did in my working years.
AD
John, since part of this is in real time a better approach is a Webinar - I've put on a lot of them.
I don't know where you live, however.
I can display the website with the wheel in real time and you can talk if that's any better. When finished you have video and audio captured and it can be played back later for other folks.
Setting up the Webinar takes a few minutes of my time and each attendee simply needs an internet connection and a phone - the Webinar can handle up to 150 people and their microphones are muted unless they want to talk.
It's totally free but if any folks live overseas they need a skype account to keep the costs down; Both Skype and the Webinar software should work fine at the same time.
Something to consider.......
Quote from: Nathan Detroit on January 30, 2011, 07:23:24 PM
ZULU time.
nolinks://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/zulu.htm (nolinks://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/zulu.htm)
You would not believe this I once used Zulu time in a chat room and some cat called me a racist.
N.D.
In Australia "cat" is a term used for homosexual males.
So you're a racist and a homophobic? ;D
Quote from: ADulay on January 30, 2011, 07:59:48 PM
People who actually use "Zulu" time or UCT or GMT, depending on when you were alive, generally refer to it as "Z" time.
For example... "We'll meet you at the drop zone at "twenty three hundred Z".
2300Z is currently 6pm local time for me.
If you use it a lot, it becomes second nature to realize what time it is, especially if you do a lot of global travel, which I did in my working years.
AD
That's not correct at all. Z can sound like B or C or D or E, etc through a scrambled radio. The only proper way to communicate is using the Phonetic Alphabet. Unless its a civ organization with no proper radio skills they will never use independent letters.
Bombus,
" cat" is old time wise guy ( gambler) speak like some of the Damon Runyon characters . E.g. Howie the horse would say this cat Leggs di Cocco hasn`t seen that much cash since got change for a dime to go to the bathroom.
From now on we shall not use ZULU and Cats in the same sentence. :ok:
Maui, I have a skype account and live in the UK. I am happy to go along with whatever arrangements suit you best. As long as I have roughly 45 seconds to relay my bets. I was just having a look at the webinar website, it sounds pretty cool for doing presentations.
I liked the movie Zulu with Michael Caine. Who would have thought a movie would have influenced the naming of a Time Zone!
MauiSunset , I admire your enthusiasm regarding this current period of web programmers. It's good to watch you at work.
Regarding Zulu time I have to point out an obvious discrepancy with the PC oriented enthusiasts. The acknowledgment that Zulu time and Greenwich Mean Time is the same time that is. It's a deliberate acknowledgment that the other half of the world counts too. Funny how they did that way back in the bad years of bigotry.
@ Gizmotron,
Seriously, when you bring down the curtain on all the casino's effectively killing their cash cows, I hope you and
your family have a VERY safe place to hide. :thumbsup:
It's a dead reckoning give away that you are a pilot. Just look at your avatar image. The designation for Zulu Time goes over the radio far better than Greenwich Mean Time. In fact it's an unwritten rule to refer to it as Zulu Time when ever calling Flight Service Stations, ATC's and TCA's. The entire aviation world works in +8 Pacific Standard Time if you are flying in California.
Quote from: ADulay on January 30, 2011, 07:59:48 PM
People who actually use "Zulu" time or UCT or GMT, depending on when you were alive, generally refer to it as "Z" time.
For example... "We'll meet you at the drop zone at "twenty three hundred Z".
2300Z is currently 6pm local time for me.
If you use it a lot, it becomes second nature to realize what time it is, especially if you do a lot of global travel, which I did in my working years.
AD
Quote from: bombus on January 31, 2011, 12:25:51 AM
@ Gizmotron,
Seriously, when you bring down the curtain on all the casino's effectively killing their cash cows, I hope you and
your family have a VERY safe place to hide. :thumbsup:
Nobody in my family will listen to me and have no interest in my findings. In fact they just dismiss it all as more of my Schizophrenia. It's a total tough shit for me regarding all this. Just consider this. They sure will look at this if I ever blow the dream here on this forum. They will know that I tried and they rejected it all. BUT, it makes for a full rich story doesn't it?
Quote from: Mike on January 30, 2011, 03:40:14 PM
...I propose a moderator should provide the spins (my vote is for Bombus...
I vote for me too!
...Only joking.
Don't mind me, I'm just here as the comedy relief.
Hey, last time there was a challenge on I would have won it, if it hadn't been for that dang blasted NS! ;D
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 31, 2011, 12:33:29 AM
Nobody in my family will listen to me and have no interest in my findings.
Join the club.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 31, 2011, 12:33:29 AM
In fact they just dismiss it all as more of my Schizophrenia. It's a total tough shit for me regarding all this. Just consider this. They sure will look at this if I ever blow the dream here on this forum. They will know that I tried and they rejected it all. BUT, it makes for a full rich story doesn't it?
Yes it does, I'll be sure and buy a copy when you publish.
Quote from: bombus on January 31, 2011, 01:06:51 AM
Yes it does, I'll be sure and buy a copy when you publish.
I will never publish. I wish I could without consequences. I can't reward myself at the cost of the big story. I hurt far to much to learn it for others. I know its true value.
I meant the story, not the method.
If I wanted the method I know where to get it... :yes:
I'd bet you do
so any outcomes yet?
Can we predict future spins yet?
Quote from: sancusa on January 31, 2011, 03:59:01 AM
so any outcomes yet?
Can we predict future spins yet?
We can, you can't. Of course it isn't about prediction that is.
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 31, 2011, 12:33:29 AM
Nobody in my family will listen to me and have no interest in my findings. In fact they just dismiss it all as more of my Schizophrenia.
And everybody here takes you so seriously. Go figure..
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 31, 2011, 01:59:14 AM
I will never publish.
Gizmo's history: I will publish. I'll probably publish. I might publish. I will never publish. I will publish! (and so on)
Who cut the cheese?
@MauiSunset,
Good luck with your new site. I hope the administrators don't mind me mentioning it here.
nolinks.roulettestrategytowin.com (nolinks://nolinks.roulettestrategytowin.com) Personally I feel there is room for another roulette site nowadays. GG looks like it is on its last legs. So there is really only here and Victor's new forum which I would call dedicated roulette sites.
Maybe MauiSunset's site could be orientated towards doing live testing. I think that would serve a purpose for the roulette community at large. Anyhow, just my thoughts and looking forward to the challenge this evening.
@John >> Usually its no links allowed but I guess you are not selling anything.
Ken
Since John mentioned the new website let me just say that it is only focused on Roulette and demonstrations in real time - I don't think any other gambling website is doing this. John has graciously decided to share his knowledge with me and in real time.
Personally, I don't care if anyone else visits the website - its just for John to teach me; and if you care to listen, ask questions, that's up to you....
For tonight, I will stick to my promise on here and relay my bets through the chat.
The show starts at 6pm UK time and it will probably take 30 minutes for me to get enough data (about 15-20 spins worth) before I start relaying any bets.
I am using my inside number betting method here. That is my best method and preferred choice. I won't subject you guys to the grind.
Even on the inside number based system, there is not a bet on every spin. I will aim to play for a few hours, that should give quite a few betting opportunities and enough to show a level stakes profit. I won't be able to answer any questions throughout the game. Audio presentations would be great for providing a running commentary but I am happy to stick to the chat facility for tonight. :thumbsup:
John, slow down please.
I'll be at the live chat room with the live roulette wheel up on another PC. If you are using the new website's live chat room a person must be registered in order to see live chat.
Hello, well I was going to use the chat room in here for tonight. I was assuming a few people would have being looking forward to it. All anybody needs to do who wants to follow is go to challengejackpot and locate the live wheel. Then they can follow the bets as I relay them through the chat.
The table is about to open in a few minutes. It would be too late now to switch this over to another site tonight.
It has just opened up now.
The first number was 9. It will take me 10-15 minutes to get some data and then I will switch over to chat to relay the bets.
26 was the next number out after 9 for anybody wanting clarification that they are at the right place.
John, can you give me the link you are using - I still see nothing
Ok, it's now working - which live chat room will you be using? Here or at the other site?
If you go to challengejackpot.com and click on the link tv games and then go to live roulette, it should open the live wheel game.
I will use this chat room tonight mate because it would be unfair to switch if other people can't see what I am doing.
last number was 23 red.
John, use live chat, either here or at the other site - it will work 100 times better.
OK, whatever is better for you.
So what was John's final result yesterday? I wasn't able to get back but the last I heard he was +7 units up, then he took a break.
I had to leave before the end - massive snow storm rolling into St. Louis - John will have to answer that - he was down when I left.
Hello guys.
The test last night was a pretty savage loss. -175 units.
I can analyze the session all I want but at the end of the day there are no excuses.
I think my method is better than the results showed last night and I may open up an account somewhere on line and play for a month or so and post up the results. Of course that does not really proof anything either but it is still something I would like to do.
It was only a test session last night, but I am pretty gutted about it to be honest with you.
Anyway, cheers to the guys who showed up and cheered me on. :thumbsup:
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
I am sure the next few tests will be profits and you will be back in profit in no time! :thumbsup:
Quote from: Gizmotron on January 30, 2011, 03:47:59 PM
You have no idea how tempted I am to kill the game of roulette. To live to see it all come crashing down. That includes Baccarat, Black Jack, and Craps too. That means you will get to not give a damn with zest. Only one problem. Nobody will be at these forums reminiscing the good old days.
So Giz, when you do your "live" session on this forum will it JUST be roulette ??
what about Baccarat, Black Jack & Craps ??
I'd hate for you to prove ONLY 25% of your magic ways :-[ & of course ONLY 25% of your excellent manners..... :good: