WARNING I DONT ADVOCATE GAMBLING IN ANY WAY, THAT BEING SAID WITH KNOWLEDGE WE CAN WIN SOME MONEY AT TIMES WITH THIS METHOD.
REMEMBER THE CASINO IS NOT AN ATM NOR WILL IT EVER BE LOL.
YOU WILL HAVE TO PLAY VIRTUAL AT TIMES.
FOUR BY FOUR SWITCH DOZEN COLUMN METHOD.
THIS METHOD HAS BEEN TESTED IT DOES WORK A VERY LARGE PERCENT OF THE TIME.
WE PLAY LAST TWO DOZENS THAT HAVE COME, OR LAST TWO COLUMNS THAT HAVE COME.
WE COVER ZERO OR DOUBLE ZERO AS AN INSURANCE.
GUYS WE START ON DOZENS IF WE WIN SAME BET, IF WE LOSE SWITCH TO COLUMNS, IF WE WIN SAME BET, IF WE LOSE SWITCH BACK TO DOZENS SIMPLE THATS IT ON AND ON AND ON.
I HAVE AT THE MOST SEEN SIX LLLLLLs IN A COUPLE OF THOUSAND SPINS ON JEBET.
NOW I NEED A GOOD PROGRESSION FOR PLAYING 2 DOZS OR COLS.
MY PROGRESSION IN USA DOLLARS THAT IS ON EACH OF TWO DOZS OR COLS, 5 10 20 40 80.
I AM SURE WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE YOU GUYS MAY HAVE A BETTER PROGRESSION.
IF YOU HAVE A WIN ON DOZENS SAME BET.
IF YOU HAVE A WIN ON COLUMNS SAME BET.
WE RIDE ALL OF THE WIN STREAKS ON COLS OR DOZS.
IF YOU HAVE A ZERO OR DOUBLE ZERO SAME BET.
START ON DOZENS WWWL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS WWL
SWITCHTODOZENS WL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS WL
SWITCHTODOZENS WWL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS L
SWITCHTODOZENS WL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS WWWL
SWITCHTODOZENS WWWWWL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS L
SWITCHTODOZENS WWWWL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS WE GOT A ZERO PLAY SAME BET WE GOT AN L.
SWITCHTODOZENS WWWWWWW DONE THIS ONE HOUR SESSION.
END ONE HOUR SESSION ON JEBET AS I THE BIKEMOTORMAN HAVE BEEN PLAYING IT, I CANT SPELL IT OUT ANY CLEARER TO YOU GUYS IT IS A WINNER.
STUART BRANDT :)
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hi Stuart
I Like the system mate, I will check it out and see how it does on some actuals. I personally think its safer to double rather triple after a loss, considering the long strings of winners im sure you get.
cheers
Hi Stuart, heres the progression I use for dual cols/doz's 1,3,9,27,81 (on each col/doz)
Just a couple of sessions here from some past games of mine on a live wheel.
On reflection I would triple up 4 times, which I think is enough for hit and runs.
I would play with 20p bets, keeping it nice and safe. I would cover the zero after the second loss as an insurance.
1st session
LD - L
LC - WWWL
D - L
C - WL
D - WWWWWWWL
C - L
D - L
C - WL
D - L
C - WWWL
D - L
C - WL
D - WL
C - WWWL
D - 0WWWWWWL
C - L
D - WWWWWWL
2nd session
D - WL
C - WW0WL
D - WWL
C - L
D - WWWWWWWWWL
C - WL
D - WW0WL
C - WWWL
D - WWWL
C - L
D - WWWWL
C - WL
D - WWWWWWL
C - WWL
D - WWWL
C - WL
D - L
C - WWL
D - L
C - WWWWWWL
I think these are fairly ordinary sessions, and would both provide decent profits. I will test further.
Quote from: buffalowizard on May 11, 2010, 04:18:08 PM
Just a couple of sessions here from some past games of mine on a live wheel.
On reflection I would triple up 4 times, which I think is enough for hit and runs.
I would play with 20p bets, keeping it nice and safe. I would cover the zero after the second loss as an insurance.
1st session
LD - L
LC - WWWL
D - L
C - WL
D - WWWWWWWL
C - L
D - L
C - WL
D - L
C - WWWL
D - L
C - WL
D - WL
C - WWWL
D - 0WWWWWWL
C - L
D - WWWWWWL
2nd session
D - WL
C - WW0WL
D - WWL
C - L
D - WWWWWWWWWL
C - WL
D - WW0WL
C - WWWL
D - WWWL
C - L
D - WWWWL
C - WL
D - WWWWWWL
C - WWL
D - WWWL
C - WL
D - L
C - WWL
D - L
C - WWWWWWL
I think these are fairly ordinary sessions, and would both provide decent profits. I will test further.
Please understand you cant play this continuously for like five hours lol, but you could wait for lets say 3 virtual losses and then start playing a limited progression.
The virtual losses will safeguard your bankroll from from a drawdown or the session from hell lol lol.
Stuart
I agree, these sessions are between roughly 50-80 spins, which is an average amount for most.
I wouldnt personally wait for virtual losses, I'd rather set up a stop/loss and get it over with quicker. Waiting for losses is just an extension of a shorter, quicker play. There is no difference really. I may win faster and lose faster. But is that any better than winning slower and losing slower?
Anyway I like it, so all we can do is keep testing
Session 3
D - L
C - L
D - 00WWWWWWWL
C - WL
D - 0WWL
C - WWWWWWWWWWWWWW0L
D - WL
C - WWWWWL
D - WL
C - WL
D - WWWWL
C - WL
D - WWWL
C - WWL
D - WWWL
A very tricky start - I suppose it would all be about how you handle those zeros. Otherwise, a good session, and an amazing run on the columns!
D - WWWL
C - L
D - WWWWWWL
C - L
D - WWWL
C - WL
D - WL
C - WWWWL
D - WL
C - WL
D - WL
C - L
D - WL
C - WWW0WL
D - WL
C - L
D - L
C - 0WWWL < The zero could either screw everything up here, or bail you out, depending on your selection
D - WWWWWWWL
You had three LLLs when you had the 0 I always cover 0 00 at that point good did you cover the Zeros.
Stuart
I would have had it covered after the 2nd loss Stuart, in case of results such as these. Its interesting to see that in each session, one or the other of the dozens or columns fair better.
Bike , i see short and long nolinksnolinksww streaks, that s good.
Have you ever try this progressions:
A.
+5 at loss / -5 at win ( or +1 /-1 )
5/5, 10/10, 15/15, 20/20, 25/25, 30/30 ..../....30/30, 25/25,.....etc....5/5 ?
or
B.
5/5 , 10/10, 20/20, 40/40, 80/80........stay on top( 40/40, or 80/80 ) until in plus?
or same 2/2, 4/4, 8/8, 16/16, 32/32......stay on top until in plus ?
or.............1/1, 2/2, 4/4, 8/8, 16/16................................
Other think , you can skip the first L, if you start :
Ex.: 5/5, 15/15, 20/20..etc.....
2/2, 6/6, 8/8.....etc....
just my opinion and my way to play 24 numbers ( doz, col. , 8 streets).
balint, that's a Penthouse progression you are advising (5/5, 10/10, 15/15 and so on...). Very powerful one on one dozen or column.
Hermes
Ok any results so far.
I played today almost four hours and had 4 LLLLs one time.
That was on jebet play money.
I tried lab progression but made some mistakes.
I am up lol with play money but the spins are real.
I will try tomorrow to play after 2 virtual LLs with a progression.
I have been working on using Divisor but I am bad at math.
Stuart
Stuart,
Save your hard earned money. It won't work. Play it in fun mode only.
Herb no system or method can or will work long term, however we can do one thing the Casino can't, we can stop playing.
But I understand your point 100 percent.
Stuart
Yes, there really are methods that work, such as VB. And yes, they do win long term.
we can do one thing the Casino can't, we can stop playing.>>>
That works on paper but not in a real casino. You don't know whats coming so you don't know where to stop. And every session is just a continuation of the last session. Waiting or stopping makes no difference at all. Just because you stopped with a profit today means nothing in the next session. Either you have a method that makes a consistant and continual profit or you don't.
One of my favorite ways to prove this is to take actuals from 10 different EU tables and play them as one session. I take a spin from table 1 and then from table 2 and then table 3 etc, until I have a string of actuals like they're all from one table. The results when I play this string is exactly like they all did come from one table.
What this shows is its useless to skip around to different tables or to start and stop, thinking I'm somehow influencing the game in my favor. This was a real eye opener for me. You can't fool random, or trick it, or do an end run around it. Its as dependable as the sun coming up. Unless you have the edge, you'll never beat the casino.
You can't win all the time, but you can't lose all the time either.
This method has been tested and seems to throw random at random.
I have tested this method and have seen it go six LLLLLLs max in a row.
I have been testing this for almost two months on a live wheel.
I have found with virtual losses it always wins too this point.
This is outside the box and it is still doing well.
I am waiting for the session from hell lol.
Stuart
QuoteI am waiting for the session from hell
Be patient, it will arrive soon.
After years of RNG study 99% of the good methods will make money until the session from hell arrives and removes all and some more of the total profit you took, waiting or skipping a certain number of spins is only moving crunch time further along. If you think a system is good, play until you have say $25 profit, withdraw it then play again with the minimum BR you need and be prepared to loose your BR at any point, if you withdraw more times than you loose it's not too bad.
A good method helps you to lose less fair enough guys.
That is why I play virtual half of the time then use a larger unit size a bit later.
I still have only seen 6 LLLLLLs in a row.
Let's be more positive guys.
Stuart
I forgot to mention I have only seen six LLLLLLs till this time it may or may not go more then six LLLLLLs.
Stuart
Don't worry Biky, it will not go higher. 6 is younger brother of 666. It is devil's number and he protects that system with that number.
Hermes
6 :diablo: 666
Quote from: hermes on May 12, 2010, 02:07:02 PM
Don't worry Biky, it will not go higher. 6 is younger brother of 666. It is devil's number and he protects that system with that number.
Hermes
6 :diablo: 666
:haha: :haha: Good one !
Gooooooooo Bikeeeeeeeeeeee! Happy Winnings ! :thumbsup:
WELL I JUST HAD 4 LLLLs I WAS PLAYING VIRTUAL LOL, I HAD MY WIN AFTER THE FOURTH LOSS.
I MOST OF THE TIMES HAVE A LITTLE CARD IN MY HAND WITH THE FOLLOWING.
L DOZS WIN SAME ZEROS SAME BET
L COLS WIN SAME ZEROS SAME BET
I TURN IT OVER ON A LOSS LOL.
KEEP IT SIMPLE STUART KISS :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:
STUART
Quote from: hermes on May 12, 2010, 02:07:02 PM
Don't worry Biky, it will not go higher. 6 is younger brother of 666. It is devil's number and he protects that system with that number.
Hermes
6 :diablo: 666
HERMES,
I LIKE THE NUMBER 777 THE NUMBER OF PERFECTION LOL.
STUART
Another betting idea, but it is slower is the "BEST OF FIVE"...
bet 1 on each dozen for 5 times (10 units)
But any time during this that you're level or ahead with your highest recorded total - reset to 1 unit and restart the count to 1 again..
If you're behind after having played 5 games start betting 2 units on each doz for 5 times (20 units)
Any time you're level or ahead with your highest recorded total - reset to 1 unit and restart the count...
if not increase to 3 units... etc.. etc..
If your bet selection works well enough as you said - surely this can win
A.
Atlantis, bet 1 on each dozen 5 times seems to me like bet all 3 dozens? But the math tells only 2 dozens.
Get me out of the confusion.
Yes, this offered progression is the weakest part of the system.
Hermes
Hi guys,
I was thinking about virtual losses today, and does it make sense.
Well it seems virtual losses do and are making real sense.
I now have realized that they are like a stress test for your or my method.
You can see what the wheel can dish out in testing then when you play for real with cash you have a bit of a benchmark of what to expect in live play or at least some idea if you method will pass the real stress test lol.
Yes in live play virtual losses make sense at least to me lol.
You may not agree but I know they are good for me.
Stuart
Quote from: hermes on May 12, 2010, 09:22:39 PM
Atlantis, bet 1 on each dozen 5 times seems to me like bet all 3 dozens? But the math tells only 2 dozens.
Get me out of the confusion.
Yes, this offered progression is the weakest part of the system.
Hermes
You're right. I meant the 2 Dozens of course. 1 unit on each of the 2 qualifying dozens etc.
Sorry for confusion.
1) 1-1 WON +1--reset and reset count
===
1) 1-1 LOST -1
2) 1-1 LOST -3
3) 1-1 WON -2
4) 1-1 WON -1
5) 1-1 LOST -3 --behind after 5 so move to level 2
===
1) 2-2 WON -1
2) 2-2 WON +1 --level so back to level 1--reset count
===
1) 1-1 LOST -1
2) 1-1 WON 0
3) 1-1 WON +1--level --reset count again
===
1) 1-1 WON +2--ahead--reset count
===
1) 1-1 etc etc
A.
Atlantis you can wait for two virtual losses and play from there.
I have not seen it as of yet go over LLLLLLs six straight losses.
Always cover 0 and 00 with this method.
I sometimes will play and after one L go into virtual mode for a bit to see if can avoid a string of LLLs kind of testing the waters so to speak.
When playing two dozens or columns we must be CAREFUL even a couple of losses can be costly, that is why I wait and am learning patience for virtual play.
This is a battle to some degree, against the wheel or let's just say against random lol.
JUST an idea like Hermes says safety always before greed lol.
Stuart
Atlantis, it is a good grinding progression! How are doing your ECs? You know the RO, BE 20 spins flat betting method.
Actually, with your progression and waiting for ...LW as a trigger to bet it is a second Holy Grail. The first Holy Grail it is with Leveller progression.
You thought me something new!
Thanks Hermes
Quote from: hermes on May 13, 2010, 11:24:53 AM
Atlantis, it is a good grinding progression! How are doing your ECs? You know the RO, BE 20 spins flat betting method.
Actually, with your progression and waiting for ...LW as a trigger to bet it is a second Holy Grail. The first Holy Grail it is with Leveller progression.
You thought me something new!
Thanks Hermes
Good. Glad you think it useful Hermes. The RO,BE 20 spins flat method?? I can't remember it now. Can you refresh my memory on that- I cannot seem to find it, but it does ring a bell... A Holy Grail? Can you show us what you mean? :smile:
A.
I always loved the dozen and collumn bets. But up untill now I have not mastered a winning system, not even with progression.
Somehow I believe it is possible, or at least at some degree...
You guys realy thinks this one is worth going for?
And... yes please refresh our minds, Hermes, with that old almost HG-method... Im not sure if Im following....
Thanks to you all,
Kind regards,
Bob
Hi Bob,
Give this Krazy method a try it should do well for you, but some virtual play is mandatory or you will get wiped out.
Nobody can beat the casino, but you can maybe once or twice a week go in play for a couple of hours and leave with a profit of 400 to 500 dollars, but the day will come when you will have a session from hell :diablo: you will need a bankroll of at least 5000 dollars to survive.
With correct play and starting your session with proper mindset and bankroll you can win on consistent basis.
I always start on the DOZENS BECAUSE YOU PLAY THE DOZENS AS DOUBLE STREETS, YOU CAN PLAY A DOUBLE STREET for ONE DOLLAR EACH, SO YOU START AT 2 DOLLARS PER DOZEN, ON COLUMNS YOU HAVE TO START A 5 DOLLARS.
STUART
THE PROGRESSION I USE ON EACH THE PAIR OF DOZENS AND OR COLUMNS IN USA DOLLARS.
2=5=15=35=105
Guys, what Hermes is trying to say , is use others progressions, as Leveller and the other
progression by Atlantis, because are more safer. And bet after (L..)LW...bet now,
or bet after LLL, or LLLL.
bike
I've been searching my memory banks and it seems I saw a piece on T.V. about a contraption such as yours. Was that you? I thought at the time it was rather ingenious!
Sam
I was on tv here in Virginia a couple of years ago and had a blast, they followed me around while I was riding and got in on video lol.
Here is the link to my Youtube page.
nolinks.youtube.com/ihartpie (nolinks://nolinks.youtube.com/ihartpie)
Wait for Atlantis he can explain his strategy on ECs better. It is not a HG but one of the better strategies for ECs, a solid thinking. He posted it on Steve's forum in 2007, probably before crash?
Hermes
Quote from: hermes on May 13, 2010, 02:30:08 PM
Wait for Atlantis he can explain his strategy on ECs better. It is not a HG but one of the better strategies for ECs, a solid thinking. He posted it on Steve's forum in 2007, probably before crash?
Hermes
As I said earlier, Hermes, I cannot remember much about this and even cannot locate the post here or at the other forum... but I DID find this comment by you on it:
Quote
I tested some time ago the strategy of Atlantis and it works well. First look the scoreboard what comes more B or R and if R bet always R/O together or B/E together, no opposite! No charting, bet those chosen 2 combination every spin for 10 spins, flat. If in minus bet the next 10 spins with 2 units and when on the end still in minus bet next 10 spins with 4 units each. You cannot lose that battle. If any time in plus reset each to 1 unit. It is effortless winning.
Can you recall any more about it since you seem to have tested it?
A.
Well I just played 2 hours on jebet and had 3 LLLs once just working ON patience and self control.
Remember boys SLOW AND STEADY WINS THE RACE LOL.
STUART
Just played an hour for those of you who don't repect virtual play look at this batch of spins.
WWWWLLL0LLWLLLW
If I did not learn the value of virtual losses then enter the battle for real I would have been wiped out lol.
Virtual losses make sense to me.
Stuart
Yes Atlantis that's your system! I tested it on ca. 300 spins and it worked well. Just bet what comes more often. Mostly the trends balance after 60-70 spins but sometimes go for whole evening. I remember, played small/big on Sic Bo (dice) whole evening and the big was winning big! I was thinking all the time, now is the time for balance, but balance never came. I won $230 on that evening. 1-2-4 units, 10-20 spins sessions.
Biky, that batch is not a bad one for Leveller progression. For Leveller it is just warm up exercise. After that batch comes streak after streak to move the total to plus.
Hermes
Quote from: bikemotorman on May 13, 2010, 08:57:09 PM
Just played an hour for those of you who don't repect virtual play look at this batch of spins.
WWWWLLL0LLWLLLW
If I did not learn the value of virtual losses then enter the battle for real I would have been wiped out lol.
Virtual losses make sense to me.
Stuart
That's great Stuart. :) So you are waiting for 2 VIRTUAL L's in a row before starting REAL bet?
What do you do if that bet LOSES? Wait 2 more virtual losses?
Can you post a session with the numbers. Thanks.
A.
I at times wait for LLLs 3 at times I don't wait at all, now if I get a loss I will go virtual and see how the LLLLs play out I am just trying to sense the way things are going.
Remember in my opinion we are not playing with this, playing 24 numbers will wipe you out faster then Supermans breath lol.
OK guys,
Stuart
Wipe out the BANKROLL that is lol.
Lol.
Greed will wipe soon the whole humanity not only you biky, don't worry be happy. :skull:
Didn't I told you security first?
Hermes
SOME PLAY FROM A FEW MOMENTS AGO JEBET TABLE ONE.
TAKE A LOOK HOW I PLAY IT GUYS.
I START ON THE LD AND LOST THEN PLAYED THE LC AND WON BUT YOU GUYS WILL I AM SURE WILL FIGURE IT OUT I PLAYED 50 SPINS TOTAL EACH SHEET IS 25 LOL.
THANKS FOR LOOKING.
STUART
I had one more session that I had 4 straight LLLLs.
Again virtual play is working very well.
Stuart
Hey guys,
I have practiced today on Jebet for almost 4 hours the results are good now has anybody used Labouchere progression I seem to like it.
Stuart
Today I am going to play a MEGA session with my KRAZY method lol.
Guys I am working on patience and self Control so I can wait on my virtual LLLLLLs.
The Monster is always trying to get me off my grinding plan lol.
The Monster is GREEEED lol.
Stuart
OK THIS WAS THE MOST TRYING SESSION YET BUT I KEPT MY COOL AND STILL DID WELL, NOT THE SESSION FROM HELL BUT CLOSE AND I REALLY HAD TO CONCENTRATE LOL.
KRAZY METHOD JEBET TABLE 2 DEALER VAL SATURDAY 10 AM EASTERN TIME.
START ON LD=LWLWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLWWWWLWWLLWWWLWWLWZWLZLWZWLLWWWW
FOUR Ls HERE GOT KIND OF KRAZY HERE LOL :diablo:
STUART :pleasantry: :pleasantry:
WARNING I DONT ADVOCATE GAMBLING IN ANY WAY, THAT BEING SAID WITH KNOWLEDGE WE CAN WIN SOME MONEY AT TIMES WITH THIS METHOD.
REMEMBER THE CASINO IS NOT AN ATM NOR WILL IT EVER BE LOL.
YOU WILL HAVE TO PLAY VIRTUAL AT TIMES.
FOUR BY FOUR SWITCH DOZEN COLUMN METHOD.
THIS METHOD HAS BEEN TESTED IT DOES WORK A VERY LARGE PERCENT OF THE TIME.
WE PLAY LAST TWO DOZENS THAT HAVE COME, OR LAST TWO COLUMNS THAT HAVE COME.
WE COVER ZERO OR DOUBLE ZERO AS AN INSURANCE.
GUYS WE START ON DOZENS IF WE WIN SAME BET, IF WE LOSE SWITCH TO COLUMNS, IF WE WIN SAME BET, IF WE LOSE SWITCH BACK TO DOZENS SIMPLE THATS IT ON AND ON AND ON.
I HAVE AT THE MOST SEEN SIX LLLLLLs IN A COUPLE OF THOUSAND SPINS ON JEBET.
NOW I NEED A GOOD PROGRESSION FOR PLAYING 2 DOZS OR COLS.
MY PROGRESSION IN USA DOLLARS THAT IS ON EACH OF TWO DOZS OR COLS, 5 10 20 40 80.
I AM SURE WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE YOU GUYS MAY HAVE A BETTER PROGRESSION.
IF YOU HAVE A WIN ON DOZENS SAME BET.
IF YOU HAVE A WIN ON COLUMNS SAME BET.
WE RIDE ALL OF THE WIN STREAKS ON COLS OR DOZS.
IF YOU HAVE A ZERO OR DOUBLE ZERO SAME BET.
START ON DOZENS WWWL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS WWL
SWITCHTODOZENS WL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS WL
SWITCHTODOZENS WWL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS L
SWITCHTODOZENS WL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS WWWL
SWITCHTODOZENS WWWWWL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS L
SWITCHTODOZENS WWWWL
SWITCHTOCOLUMNS WE GOT A ZERO PLAY SAME BET WE GOT AN L.
SWITCHTODOZENS WWWWWWW DONE THIS ONE HOUR SESSION.
END ONE HOUR SESSION ON JEBET AS I THE BIKEMOTORMAN HAVE BEEN PLAYING IT, I CANT SPELL IT OUT ANY CLEARER TO YOU GUYS IT IS A WINNER.
STUART BRANDT
DONT FORGET TO LOOK AT MY KRAZY BIKE ENGINE INVENTION ON YOUTUBE LOL.
WWW.YOUTUBE.COM/IHARTPIE (nolinks://www.youtube.com/IHARTPIE)
Hey guys the method is still doing well I am still working on patience and self control.
Stuart
Well the virtual losses are adding to the power of this method I have read some of the posts on situtional strategy and they make a lot of it make sense.
Stuart
This is a very good system. Playing with a mild progression this is holding up well on real play over several hundreds of spins on real money. I think it's one of the best systems i have seen for quite a while..
Quote from: Kingspin on May 16, 2010, 05:59:15 PM
This is a very good system. Playing with a mild progression this is holding up well on real play over several hundreds of spins on real money. I think it's one of the best systems I have seen for quite a while..
Hi give me some details are you waiting how many virtual lllls are you waiting for and what progression are you using Kingspin.
Stuart
Hey guys had some trouble today I had four LLLLs right from the start but things got better.
I did not use any virtual play and I got stuck lol.
See the method did not fail I DID lol.
I still need to work on self control.
I will start after a loss go virtual and wait to see how it plays out in virtual mode, I messed up today oh well at least it was play money.
Do you think going virtual after a loss is a good thing.
Stuart
Hi bikemotorman, the way i played it was to play every spin , i don't wait for anything to miss x amount of times because this is the way i always play. I will bet the last 2 dozens that hit with one chip on each, if it looses i will then switch bets to the last 2 columns that hit and double the bet not triple , holding this bet and hoping that the un-betted column will sleep as long as possible.. Should i loose this bet then i switch back to the last 2 dozens that have hit and at this point triple the bet and spin. this is the last leg of my progression. If it hits i hold the bet for 1 more spin and reset back to initial chips level. One session i played an un betted column slept for 15 spins so i cleared up big time with £100 chips at play. Held up well for several hundred spins before loosing session hit..
Quote from: Kingspin on May 17, 2010, 06:53:46 AM
Hi bikemotorman, the way I played it was to play every spin , I don't wait for anything to miss x amount of times because this is the way I always play. I will bet the last 2 dozens that hit with one chip on each, if it loses I will then switch bets to the last 2 columns that hit and double the bet not triple , holding this bet and hoping that the un-betted column will sleep as long as possible.. Should I lose this bet then I switch back to the last 2 dozens that have hit and at this point triple the bet and spin. this is the last leg of my progression. If it hits I hold the bet for 1 more spin and reset back to initial chips level. One session I played an un betted column slept for 15 spins so I cleared up big time with £100 chips at play. Held up well for several hundred spins before losing session hit..
Hi Kingspin
So your progression is 1,2,6,6 (if won)?
Thanks
HEY GUYS JUST FINISHED PLAYING 2 HOURS ON JEBET TABLE ONE.
I GOT MY GROOVE BACK AND MY SELF CONTROL AND DID WELL.
I USED THE FIBO PROGRESSION AND NOT TOO STEEP.
GOT TO GO BE BACK LATER 5 10 15 25 40 65 105
STUART
Quote from: bikemotorman on May 17, 2010, 12:52:49 PM
HEY GUYS JUST FINISHED PLAYING 2 HOURS ON JEBET TABLE ONE.
I GOT MY GROOVE BACK AND MY SELF CONTROL AND DID WELL.
I USED THE FIBO PROGRESSION AND NOT TOO STEEP.
GOT TO GO BE BACK LATER 5 10 15 25 40 65 105
STUART
I like the look of that prog. Stuart. Here's some live spins: D= Dozens C= Columns
19
28
11 D - L -10
14 C - W 0
14 W +5
5 W +10
6 L 0
33 D -L -20
20 C -W -5
13 L -15
8 D -L -35
19 C -W -20
18 L -30
17 D -W -20
16 W -15
19 W -10
17 W -5
13 W 0
31 L -10
29 C -W 0
9 L -10
25 D -W 0
20 L -10
1 C -W 0
9 L -10
25 D - L -30
10 C -W -15
22 W -10
10 W -10
32 L -20
15 D -W -15
2 L -25
Thats a tough start to a session, a real struggle, I hope I got the progression right Stuart. Do you reset after a win, or stay at a certain level until in profit? Also, how many spins do you usually play for, i.e. do you have a stop/win?cheers
Buffalo as you can see the progression is a loss but the way I was winning was going for repeat hits on a win to make the profit, like for example if we get a hit on any leg of the 1,2, 6, 6. progression then we hold the bet at whatever leg of the progression won and hope for a few repeats, once a new profit is reached the progression resets back to level 1. look for a few repeats to push some profit in place of using heavy progression. I know it looks dumb but I have done pretty good. It held up several hundred spins then crashed :'(
24 number systems seem to have a habit of crashing heavier and faster than most....it's a testament to stuart that this method holds up a good while longer than others.
Kingspin, where do you go from now? Will you persevere or tweak this Krazy system anymore?
GUYS you are forgetting one thing VIRTUAL LLs you can play at Least 2 virtual losses and use a steeper progression remember cover 0 00 as a safety bet.
IN DOLLARS
5 15 45 135
I still have not seen more then 6 LLLLLLs ever it may go further but who knows.
Stuart
Bikemotoerman,
Please explain why we should wait for virtual losses, since each spin is an independent trial.
In other words, while we wait, what magical event is taking place that increases our chance of winning?
herb, who made you excellent? I just wonder about you roulette knowledge. Did you bribe somebody?
Cheers Hermes
Hi Herb,
I know you are a very serious player but you have your way via VB I don't have your skill so I with some others ideas came up with this method.
Now you asked about virtual LLLLLLs and waiting, you use virtual losses because I told YOU TO LOL get the message lol.
Because it makes good sense to me and some other players.
I am just a little mouse I just need a little cheese from the Catsino lol.
Stuart
Now you asked about virtual LLLLLLs and waiting>>
Virtual betting seems to make sense, until you realize you have no idea whats coming next. The more you play the more you'll realize it makes no difference to wait or bet every spin. All waiting does is make your BR last longer, it only postpones the inevitable. There are lots of players who think the longer they last the better they're doing. The more you win, the better you're doing, waiting is just a mind game. For every stretch where you would have lost 6 in a row, theres a stretch where you would have won 6 in a row. Bet selection is everything.
FORGET IT I JUST GOT KILLED ON JEBET TABLE ONE OH BOY IT WAS NOT PRETTY LOL BANKROLLS GONE TOO.
BANK 3141
NOT ANY MORE BANK ITS GONE OK.
D WWL
C L
D WL
C L
D L
C L
D L
C L
D L
C WL
D WWWL
C WWWWL
D L
C L
D L
C W
D I QUIT I AM GOING TO PLAY CHESS LOL BANKROLL GONE TOO LOL.
C
D
C
SORRY HERB I STAND HUMBLED AND CORRECTED AND REAL BAD
Even 20 L's in row will not harm you if you play after W as a trigger! Use the system properly or go fishing. Chess is not for you, it needs P A T I E N C E. That word is not in your vocabulary. Back to school.
Hermes
Quote from: bikemotorman on May 17, 2010, 08:43:17 PM
FORGET IT I JUST GOT KILLED ON JEBET TABLE ONE OH BOY IT WAS NOT PRETTY LOL BANKROLLS GONE TOO.
BANK 3141
NOT ANY MORE BANK ITS GONE OK.
D WWL
C L
D WL
C L
D L
C L
D L
C L
D L
C WL
D WWWL
C WWWWL
D L
C L
D L
C W
D I QUIT I AM GOING TO PLAY CHESS LOL BANKROLL GONE TOO LOL.
C
D
C
SORRY HERB I STAND HUMBLED AND CORRECTED AND REAL BAD
Unlucky Stuart,
Dust yourself down, and come back fighting...Think about Hermes suggestion of betting after a W trigger. Or study the posts on Victor and Lankys LW, as they are 24 number bets also.
At least it was with play money hey?!
Ok I dusted myself off and added some self control.
I played 3 hours yesterday and only had LLLs three losses in a row the other day was the SESSION from hell.
A buddy did try it in a live Casino and did ok.
He has his own method which he does well with.
I think to wait 5 LLLLLs with progression would be bulletproof but I may only bet twice in a day.
Stuart
Quote from: bikemotorman on May 17, 2010, 08:43:17 PM
FORGET IT I JUST GOT KILLED ON JEBET TABLE ONE OH BOY IT WAS NOT PRETTY LOL BANKROLLS GONE TOO.
BANK 3141
NOT ANY MORE BANK ITS GONE OK.
D WWL
C L
D WL
C L
D L
C L
D L
C L
D L
C WL
D WWWL
C WWWWL
D L
C L
D L
C W
D I QUIT I AM GOING TO PLAY CHESS LOL BANKROLL GONE TOO LOL.
C
D
C
SORRY HERB I STAND HUMBLED AND CORRECTED AND REAL BAD
:laugh:
How many times do you think you have the game beat and then wallop bankroll gone.
I was playing on the ec bets the other day,and lost 11 out of 12 bets, with only one zero showing(whats the probability of that maths boys :whistle:)you couldn't make it up,and yet I have never WON 11 out of 12 bets ever :(
Hi Moles,
I got beat the other day but I was in the plus many many sessions plus I forgot my patience meds.
So the results were bad but I could of recovered if I had PATIENCE.
In roulette you need to have self control lol.
Stuart
WELL I AM BACK TO WINNING.
I TOOK MY SELF CONTROL PILLS LOL AND NOW BEING A BIT MORE SAAVY WITH THE SMART METHOD.
I AM BACK TO USING HERMES PROGRESSION.
5 10 20 40 THAT IS ON OF THE TWO DOZENS OR COLUMNS MUCH LESS RISKY.
I PLAYED TWO HOURS TODAY.
STUART
Dear friends,
I do not feel this method is worthy of even trying as double progression would not work and we need triple progression which is again very very dangerous and one failure can not be covered by dozens of wins even. so why should someone try such a system?
Let's calculate
we put say 5 units each on two rows then our total cost =10 units+1 on zero, say we lost here
again we put 10 units on each of two dozens+1 on zero . . . . . . . . here our total cost reaches 32 units and even if we win this time we are at a loss of 2 units, and if we do not place one unit on zero still there is no profit.
What an idiotic and irrational system. If you cover 25/37 you will definitely strike accordingly but losses would also come and that would be irreparable.
That may be true that no progression can overcome a wipe out losing run.
But on the positive side I have many times of 15 wins in row and after a loss I switched to columns and had seven more wins.
When I wait for 2 virtual losses things seem to get even better.
No why would not cover 0 00 it is cheap insurance more so if you have 80 dollars on the table.
Stuart
dear stuart,
you mean to say you would use a progression like this 1-3-9-27-81-243= 3 5 4 units + units on zero.
Isn't it would be the silliest thing to do? One losing session's loss would be covered by 400 something winnings. You do not need any streak to lose your bankroll. Just one failure would make you bankrupt. As I said earlier, you can not use a progression like 1-2-4-8-16-32. Please give a satisfactory and digestible answer.
I WOULD NOT USE 1 3 9 27 IT IS TOO STEEP I AM USING HERMES PROGRESSION AND IT IS FINE.
IN DOLLARS 5 10 20 40 NOW I MAY WAIT FOR SOME VIRTUAL LOSSES THEN PLAY.
I GAVE YOU THE ANSWER.
Please give a satisfactory and digestible answer.
STUART
Ok more good results today and lots and lots of practice using a safer progression the results are more balanced also, I am no longer trying to make a killing lol.
I am now having more fun with this method waiting for a couple of LLs is now more easy.
Stuart
dear stuart,
do not try to fool people by stating that you are using hermis progression of 5-10-20-40 etc, I have already elaborated that this progression can not earn you a penny but loss on two dozens/rows:
QuoteLet's calculate
we put say 5 units each on two rows then our total cost =10 units+1 on zero, say we lost here
again we put 10 units on each of two dozens+1 on zero . . . . . . . . here our total cost reaches 32 units and even if we win this time we are at a loss of 2 units, and if we do not place one unit on zero still there is no profit.
Please do not fill this forum with garbage and do not confuse people.
Quote from: albalaha on May 21, 2010, 01:17:24 AM
dear stuart,
do not try to fool people by stating that you are using hermis progression of 5-10-20-40 etc, I have already elaborated that this progression can not earn you a penny but loss on two dozens/rows: Please do not fill this forum with garbage and do not confuse people.
IF YOU DONT LIKE MY ANSWER DONT POST ON MY THREAD UNDERSTAND, I HAVE TOO MANY PERSONAL PROBLEMS TO BOTHER WITH TROLLS.
I DONT HAVE TO PROVE MYSELF OR MY IDEAS TO ANYONE.
SOME OTHER PLAYERS HAVE COME UP THESE IDEAS AND METHODS MANY YEARS AGO, IN FACT I SPOKE TO A SEASONED PLAYER LAST NIGHT AND HE SAID HE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS IDEA OF ON A LOSS CONVERTING TO COLS AND SWITCHING BACK AND FORTH ON A LOSS.
:angry2: :angry2: :angry2:
Ok,
that means play hermes progression and keep losing is your method. Good job. Atleast try yourself a method before teaching others. :haha:
I tested this for over two months and it has always done well however to end in a plus you have to play at least 3 virtual LLLs then play for Cash that is the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
The drawdown of playing 2 doz or cols will get your bankroll if you are not careful.
Stuart
OK I JUST PLAYED A BIT ON JEBET AND HERE ARE THE RESULTS.
WWWWLLLWWWLWWLWWWWLWWWWWWWLWWLLLLWWLWLWWWWZW
I MOST OF THE TIMES WAIT FOR THREE VIRTUAL LLLLS
albalaha I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT NO ROOM FOR PROFIT BUT AT TIMES I PLAY VIRTUAL AND I TIMES ON A WIN I DOUBLE MY BET JUST MATTERS ON THE WAY THINGS ARE PANNING OUT.
AT TIMES I USE 25 DOLLAR UNITS AND AT TIMES 5 DOLLAR UNITS.
THIS IS A STREAK METHOD JUST BE CAREFUL.
I THINK WAIT FOR FOUR LLLLS THEN BET BIG BUT I MAY HAVE TO WAIT 2 HOURS AT TIMES LOL.
STUART
look stuart you just can not win through hermes progression. you can win only if you strike your first chance, but whenever you move ahead there is a loss with zero and no profit without it.
Hi Stuart,
First of all, thanks for sharing. Would like your advice on the 5-10-20-40 progression used in this method.
Bet Total Cost Result Winning
Step 1 $5 on 2 dozs $10 L 0
Step 2 $10 on 2 dozs $20 L 0
Step 3 $20 on 2 dozs $40 W $60
What's next after step 3, as it is still short of $10 to breakeven (Total Cost = $70 & Winnings = $60).
Thanks,
Anakin
Ok so the only thing I can do is use this progression then after LLL 5 15 45 135 405 that should be safe.
Stuart
That is in US dollars very steep.
stuart,
your suggested new progression-5-15-45------ is the easiest way to commit suicide. Forget this real krazy system. You are a senior member, think something else.
Suicide? Not at all! If you will play only after W as a trigger it is very real winning progression but cover zero from 3rd step.
Hermes
buddy,
do not forget that you are covering 24-25 numbers for peanuts risking a very huge amounts. I know when you move from dozen to row there are least chances of loss but a single loss would end up your earnings of hours. not a good system for long time playing.
Quote from: albalaha on May 24, 2010, 02:21:08 AM
buddy,
do not forget that you are covering 24-25 numbers for peanuts risking a very huge amounts. I know when you move from dozen to row there are least chances of loss but a single loss would end up your earnings of hours. not a good system for long time playing.
Even blind can see that. :no: :no:
I UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A LONG TERM AND METHOD.
THE POINT IS TO PLAY A SHORT TERM TREND YOU JUST CANT OR WILL NOT PLAY THIS FOR HOURS ON END.
THAT BEING SAID YOU CAN AND WILL PROFIT FROM A SHORT TREND THE CASINO IS IN THE LONG TERM BUSINESS, WE ARE NOT WE PLAY FOR MAYBE A COUPLE OF HOUR WITH A PROFIT AND GO HOME.
IF YOU SEE RED IS THE TREND FOR THE LAST 5 SPINS PLAY IT, RED WILL AT TIMES TREND FOR 15 SPINS.
SOMEONE TOLD ME THIS BELOW.
I heard from an experienced person that the best moment to bet is when the long-term patterns are currently becoming the active short-term trend does that make sense.
Kind of like red hits every other spin so play it with short progreession, then red high starts trending, so play red high with a short progression.
follow the pattern with the most strike rate for the current session. As simple as that.
Stuart
I like what Hermes is saying stuart.
Look at your sequence before in the thread
WWWWLLLWWWLWWLWWWWLWWWWWWWLWWLLLLWWLWLWWWWZW
8 WINS + 1 LOSS most losses in a row = 1
So you would only bet 1 time after a Win. and wait for a loss then another trigger Win. Only sequence to kill you would be WLWLWLWL
Couple of sessions here. Using the 1 attack after a Win.
1st session
LD - L
LC - WWWL
D - L
C - WL
D - WWWWWWWL
C - L
D - L
C - WL
D - L
C - WWWL
D - L
C - WL
D - WL
C - WWWL
D - 0WWWWWWL
C - L
D - WWWWWWL
6 wins 4 losses...........most losses in a row = 2.....no problem at all
2nd session
D - WL
C - WW0WL
D - WWL
C - L
D - WWWWWWWWWL
C - WL
D - WW0WL
C - WWWL
D - WWWL
C - L
D - WWWWL
C - WL
D - WWWWWWL
C - WWL
D - WWWL
C - WL
D - L
C - WWL
D - L
C - WWWWWWL
12 WIn 4 Losses Most losses in a row = 1
Using a progression this system would be great
And here is your earlier session from hell
LWLWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLWWWWLWWLLWWWLWWLWZWLZLWZWLLWWWW
Bet 1 attack after a Win
6 Wins 3 losses 2 Zeros.
Most losses in a row= 1
The moral from this session is to cover the zero! Then there would've been no trouble here
i play like this:
- wait the trigger LL s...W bet now
- bet 1/1 always until appear the first L
- start again with the trigger W
- until we are in plus , still bet like above
- when we go down , try this bets A or B :
A.
Up 3 after loss / down 2 after win , on each doz. ( or column)
B.
Up 2 after win / down 3 after loss, on each doz. (or col.)
But when we are in plus , back to 1/1
long nolinksww streaks must appear
Quote from: balint on May 24, 2010, 03:03:53 PM
I play like this:
- wait the trigger LL s...W bet now
- bet 1/1 always until appear the first L
- start again with the trigger W
- until we are in plus , still bet like above
- when we go down , try this bets A or B :
A.
Up 3 after loss / down 2 after win , on each doz. ( or column)
B.
Up 2 after win / down 3 after loss, on each doz. (or col.)
But when we are in plus , back to 1/1
long nolinksww streaks must appear
The only danger with carrying on betting for the streaking wins is when it gets really choppy. I reckon betting just the once after a win, although much more conservative, may make you last longer
Guys, it is wasting time go to casino to play only for one hit. Kindergarten children already know that 2 dozens come around 66% of the time. Wait for the trigger W and then bet all WWWWW until first loss and then wait for new W trigger again. Make a use of the winnings strings of 2 dozens or columns! There is the power of the system.
Hermes
:rtfm:
I'm sorry to say this guys, but this whole LWLWLLW stuff is nonsense. It's based on gamblers fallacy.
It's because roulette is a game of independent trials.
Granted, I did not read a word of it but I have a question. Why is it that EVERYTHING 'they' dont play, is gamblers fallacy? lol Ken
Why is it that EVERYTHING 'they' dont play, is gamblers fallacy? lol Ken>>>
I can tell you that when I ask myself questions as to why I made a specific bet, almost every answer violates some form of Gamblers Fallacy. Thats fine with me..
Hey guys I ALWAYS cover 0 00 as HERMES has said we need to have a period of virtual play.
Playing two cols or dozens will destroy your bankroll if you are not careful.
Stuart
Hey guys I ALWAYS cover 0 00<<<
If you do that on every bet, all you ever do is win back the money you invested on 0 00, it doesn't protect your bet at all.
Here's what I can't figure out.
Why can't you guys build on the documented knowledge of others?
Why are you still trying to figure out a system to beat the game of roulette, when it's already a known fact that it can't be beaten? This is not even open for debate. The prove is solid. When you look down this road, you will find that others have been there about 100 + years ahead of you.
Why do any of you think all of the those encyclopedias and mathematicians are wrong?
Claiming they are wrong is a sign of ignorance. Attempting to do the same thing over and over, while expecting a different outcome is also insane.
What you should be doing is building upon the information that is already known as fact. Learn from the people that have already been down this road over the last 100+ years. Read the encyclopedias and about the history of the game.
Here are the facts on which you should be building your methods:
1. You can beat the gaming device by exploiting it's non random nature. (Exploiting the normal wear and tear and design flaws.)
2. You can also predict where the ball will land with enough accuracy to beat the house edge. (Various forms of visual ballistics.)
-Herb
Exactly Spike,
this system has no fate. Either you need a very dangerous progression or you lose per spin. :nono:
HERB THAT IS A OUTSTANDING POST AND MAYBE A LITTLE LIGHT AT THE END OF THE TUNNEL.
SO WEAR AND TEAR ON WHEEL.
OK HOW DO I WORK ON THAT ONE.
STUART
I PLAYED A SESSION THIS MORNING AND FLAT BET THE WHOLE TIME I HAD THE LONGEST WINNING STREAK I THINK IT WAS OVER 17 ON THE DOZENS.
THEN I HAD 13 OR 14 WINS ON THE COLS AFTER A LOSS ON THE DOZS.
I HAVE A HARD TIME WITH PLAYING VIRTUAL AT TIMES SO I THOUGHT WELL IF AND WHEN I GET A BUNCH OF LLLS I WOULD FLAT BET AT 5 DOLLARS EACH OF THE DOZENS OR COLS.
THE PLAN WAS TO STAY FLAT UNTIL 4 OR 5 LLLLS THEN GO UP TO 100 THEN 200 ON THE COLS OR DOZS I WAS PLAYING.
I ONLY GOT THREE LLLS IN A ROW BUT OVER 30 WINS AND THIS WAS IN A ONE HOUR SESSION.
THE DEALER WAS VAL, MAN HE WAS DOING A SPIN ABOUT EVERY 65 SECONDS.
I HAVE A BETTER TIME PLAYING FLAT BECAUSE I TEND TO PAY BETTER ATTENTION.
I MAY LOSE 50 DOLLARS PLAYING FLAT UNTIL I GET 4 OR 5 LLLLS BUT IT KEEPS ME MORE FOCUSED, IT IS JUST ME I GUESS.
OH I PLAYED ON JEBET AT 330 EST TIME SO VAL HAD NO WARM BODIES NEXT TO HIM LOL.
HOW DO I FAIR FLAT ON TWO DOZS OR COLS DO WE BRAKE EVEN OR WHAT.
NOW REMEMBER I FLAT UNTIL 5 OR 6 LLLLLS OK.
STUART
Just did a 39 minute session on jebet I had 5 Ls in 19 minutes I only reached five then five or six spins later I had LLL then I won on the fourth then I got a zero lol.
I always cover zero.
Situational strategy so far is working for me.
Stuart
Ok I played in reno at circus circus.
My method held up very well I started on the dozens as I always do and the results on the 0 00 wheel were what I expected.
I will report more later.
Stuart
Hi Stuart mate
Been a while. So you still play this system - Seen anymore 7 losses? Hope you've got all your profits back and more.
BW
Nope I have not seen more then 5 LLLLLs in months.
A pit boss stood behind me for thirty minutes asking me what I was doing.
I told him I am using a situational method with a virtual loss method combined.
He said what is that and walked away.
Stuart
Are you playing by any strict rules or just improvising on the day? That is, are you waiting for 2 virtual Losses and stick to the same progression.
Cheers