The 4Selecta system

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

I'd like to give you a situation I have encountered.  Here is my chart:


LG   MG  HG  CG
1      1.    1
2             2.   
              3
             

Here's my worksheet:

1LG
4MG
I want this to become a HG as it's in the lead on the Chart, but that is not possible.  Now do I go back to the LG which was ahead a couple of spins ago, or do I go back to the MG as it was the "last active" in this case.  The MG 1. was the one just before the HG 3.

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
You go to the next one in the lead which is LG.
 
The 'active' is when they are level in the Table as there is no clear leader.
 
Mr Chips
 

 

[zee]

Mr. Chips & Sam, tthanks for your responses to my last post.

Mr. Chips, referring to your reply to my last post, probably I have not made myself very clear in my post.

I would like to go in a step by step way to put forth my question:

First of all, assuming we have the following situation:

LG   MG  HG   C
1     1    1    1
2           2    2
3                 3.
4
5

where LG is leading and C is the last active group. The next 2 numbers come in

2  LG
9  HG
          <----- we would bet LG since LG appears in the above numbers and LG is leading.

But next number that comes in is 27 (HG) and we lose, as follows:

2  LG
9  HG
27 HG      giving a HG section
-------
   
The table now becomes:

LG   MG  HG   C
1     1    1    1
2           2    2
3           3.   3..
4
5

Now LG is still leading, HG is now active and C was the 'previous' active group and denoted by me with double dots 3..

The next 2 numbers are

5  MG
19 LG
          <----- we still bet LG numbers since LG is still leading.

But next number is 24 (MG) and we lose, giving

5  MG
19 LG
24 MG     a MG section, resulting in the following:
-------

LG   MG  HG   C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3           3..  3
4
5

Now LG is still leadiing, MG is now active, HG is now 'previously active' group and I denote it with HG 3..
The double dots in the earlier C 3.. is now removed to show C 3
By denoting HG 3.. I differentiate HG 3 with C 3 to indicate which group is 'more active earlier' since
they are in the sam standing of 3 as the 'next leading groups' after LG

The next 2 numbers that appear are:               

13  MG
35  HG
           <------ since LG does not appear in these numbers, we bet the next leading group with standing of 3
                      namely HG or C instead of MG even though MG is active, but is at the lower standing of 2

Now which group HG or C to bet? Since HG as indicated by 3.. is more active earlier than C, we should bet HG.

The above scenario was what I have been trying to present.

Is the above correct as per your rule, Mr. Chips?

Thanks and best regards.

zee
                       

[Mr Chips]

Zee,
 
I was hoping the explanation I gave at the bottom of page 10 sorted this particular problem.
 
'Active' Group sections are relevant ONLY when two or more Group sections are level in the Table. They are relevant then because either there is no leader or if a bet cannot be placed on the leader, then if say two or more of the other Group sections are level the bet will be on the 'active' Group section.
 
I hope this explanation and the post on page 10 will make it clear.
 
Mr Chips

[zee]

Mr. Chips,

According to you, 'active' group only comes in when 2 or more groups are level.
In my last post, with the following table:

LG   MG  HG   C
1     1    1    1
2     2.   2    2
3           3..  3
4
5

and next two numbers:

x MG
X HG

where we can't bet the leading LG, the next level of HG and C are now considered for betting.
According to you, only 'active' group in this level of 3 is considered since there are two groups
in this level. But please bear in mind, none of these two groups are 'active'. The active group is
MG with 2.

Are we then to go to next level 2 and bet MG?

If not, if level 3 groups have to be considered, then we have to establish which of the level 3
groups is 'more active' than the other going back into history. That is why my double dots
3.. become relevant, or is it not?

zee

[Mr Chips]

Zee,
 
I see your problem and will try and explain it this way. You can't have an 'active' Group section if it's on it's own, as shown in your example where MG is 2.
 
HG and C are joint leaders after LG. Supposing C was the most recent 3 then as soon as a level Group section appears a . is placed in this example by the C section to denote it is the 'active' Group section.
 
Where possible we want to place bets on leaders and if this is not possible then we chose the most 'active' Group section whenever they are level in the Table.
 
I hope this helps.
 
Mr Chips

[zee]

Mr. CHips,

Thanks for your explaination. I get it now.

So 'active' group applies to only level groups, and as soon as a new level group appears after another level group/groups,
denote it as 'active' with a dot ( . ), and apply for betting when level groups are to be considered.

Best regards.

zee

[Mr Chips]

Hopefully I have resolved the problem with the -100 spin range, which I thought wasn't right for this system.
 
I considered various options, but in the end settled for a final exit at spin 160 or thereabouts depending when a section ends.
 
This does mean occasional losses will be in the -150 range. The highest loss so far is -156 units, but as always exceptional wins will cancel those out.
 
Losses at the -50 range have proved to be very good for keeping them to a minimum. Further testing will prove the worth of the 160 spin exit.
 
The profit from 59 Spielbank sessions is 3197 units and hopefully further tests will add to this in the future.
 
Further results for August :
 
5.8 = 107 spins, 30 selective spins = + 237
6.8 = 106 spins, 32 selective spins =   0
7.8 = 119 spins, 32 selective spins =  -24
8.8 =   91 spins, 25 selective spins = + 221
 
Mr Chips

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

OK, let's say I'm at the 100 spin mark and down 100 units.  I plow ahead to spin 160 regardless?  Or if I work my way back to -50, quit?

If one Section is three or four in the lead with lots of numbers in the Available Numbers Chart, do I continue?

Are we getting into the subjective here?

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
You have to consider all the information that is available to you e.g.
 
1. Did you reach spin 100 without a win? If yes then exit at the first opportunity in the -50 range.
 
2. During the session were the Group sections often level? This can be a warning that the session is likely to end in a loss.
 
3.If say the leader is C and is well in front of the others, but has had only 2 hits and the others are catching up with hits and the available numbers are increasing say especially LG with a 15 unit bet and the C bets are increasingly for LG numbers, then its bad news.
Its likely to be a 160 spin exit, with hopefully some hits to get a loss of around 150 units.
 
4. You may have had a couple of wins and even though your down 100 units the available numbers say HG is being kind to you as their bets are 6 units, LG 12 units and MG 15 units. The lower unit bet may give you a chance for some wins and say you get down to -25 at spin 125, you can risk a couple more bets especially in this example if they are HG. If no wins then you can exit still in the -50 range.
 
Tests have shown there are more wins than losses and therefore if there are some positive signs say you are on leader C and HG is closing fast and catching up C and HG has had a number of hits then a 2 or 3 unit hit will ensure a win.
 
Practicing sessions will help enormously to make decisions and make sound decisions.

I hope this helps.
 
Mr Chips

[Mr Chips]

Have now completed testing Spielbank for January 2008.
 
Date     spins    selec spins     +/-
21.1      108         31            - 41
22.1      155         43            -150
23.1      106         30            + 26
24.1       89          26            +180
25.1      108         28            +122
26.1       90          23            + 80
27.1       80          22            + 56
28.1      115         31            + 25
29.1       60          17            +133
30.1      109         30            + 24
31.1       96          28            + 39
 
Total January +1651
                   -  620
                  -------
                   +1031
 

Jan +1031
Jul  +1717
      ------
      +2748
 
Aug 1-8 +943
 
Total 70 sessions +3691 units
 
It will be interesting to see how the totals compare for each month.
 
Mr Chips

[TwoCatSam]

Mr. Chips

Well, I finally got one!!  Yesterdays numbers from Riverbelle hit 225u at about spin 110 or so.  I had hit 100 at about spin 25 or so and thought about quitting.  Didn't know what to do so I played through.  Had I finished, I would have wound up with 138 after about 165 spins.

I can honestly say I would have gotten out at the 200u profit mark.

More later.

By the way, I know how tedious this work can be.  I have almost totally memorized the groups.  Thanks for all your hard work on this.

Sam

[Mr Chips]

Sam,
 
Great result. Deciding when to exit a session can be very difficult. When a session goes to 200+ I definitely exit at that point.
 
Getting 100+ early in the session is especially difficult. If its the result of one number, I would exit. If different numbers from single unit bets, I would probably stay in for a while and if no wins exit around +60 units.
 
Testing can be tedious, but its better than Suduku just can't do the difficult ones lol.
 
Mr Chips

[ChickenDinner]

My God, this is one hell of a complex system....I can normally grasp most pretty quick, but this is something else. It's hurting my head trying to understand it...

Best of luck with it guys and I hope it continues to win for you.

CD

[TwoCatSam]

Someone on the forum once said if you can learn a system in five minutes, forget it!

This one has taken me a tad longer than five minutes, but I really think I've got the mechanics down.  Now just the subjective portion remains.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

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