Grand MartinChute

[gingermolloy]

see link:

nolinks://vlsroulette.com/money-management/extremes-of-the-grand-martingale!-t5585/

The closest I can get this to a true Grand Martingale is the following:

See attached Spread sheet

ginger

[winkel]

Hi ginger,

is it right, that what you call the "math-way-to-beat-roulette" is just a very sharp GrandMartingale and nothing else?

But as long as a Martingale is losing, the GMg is losing 1 spin earlier. So where´s the beef?

br
winkel

[VLSroulette]

Winkel, hello.

Manrique's said the parachutes aren't winners by themselves, it takes more to win consistently, they are part of a whole strategy which MAY allow some people whose hit rate is just normal or above the expected (nothing can really help very bad timing which occurs naturally for some reduced group, even for lifetime!).

Remember some will be able to win flat-betting his whole lifetime because of random fluctuation and law of large numbers is with them (the larger the sample for the casino, the larger the deviation against it = some players winning).

This I perceive only as a tool, which can be used by some successfully shall they have a consistent hit rate, perhaphs by natural occurrence or as spike claims, by experience.

Just some thoughts. As you know in the grand scheme of infinite samples, everything is possible!

Regards.

[winkel]

Hi Victor,

I know the parachute-strategy very well. it is one of the eldest strategies in the world.

an I lost a lot of money on it.

I was just asking for the "math-way" ginger is telling about, I don´t see any near a "math-strategy" in what he has offered.

back to parachute:
The idea is a progression not in raising the units or unit-size, but in rasing the win by changing the chance you play on. We in Germany call it "degression"
If you wanna play a GrandMartingale with it, then play it game by game:
so if you lost 1 trot of 35! spins, restart by betting with 3 units
If you lost a second trot restart by betting 7 units. and so on.

Otherwise it would a progressive progression or in other words a  money-burner!

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winkel

[VLSroulette]

Winkel! Any chance you were using "degression" with pivot number?

I have heard it was a very common strategy back in the day. Perhaphs you were just unlucky?  Do you know fellow players having success with it?

Regards my friend.
Victor

[gingermolloy]

Hi Guys.

When I cam to this forum I did believe that the Grand Martingale progression was a mathematical way of beating roulette.

I have however been taught otherwise by KonFuSed and others.

I actually new nothing of the Grand Martingale when I started playing roulette and I started on my way to calculating a mathematical way to beat the wheel.

I actually developed the Grand Martingale independently before discovering that it was a well known method.

I still believe that I have something in my method of calculating given vs fair odds, and getting a ratio of less than 1. The Grand Martingale Progression is the only bet that gives this unique property.

Its all about value! The best value bet in roulette, I believe, is an extreme form of the Grand Martingale.

That is the maths for the money management. As for the bet selection, this I have learnt from Winkel and others since coming to this forum.

I was verging on the Dark Side way of thinking until I was presented with the Binomial Distribution that Winkel goes on about and the Law of the Third, and I totally believe that there is something there that can be used to beat the wheel.

Since then I have worked on combining these two approaches together. Hence Gingers Street System.

If this "Parachute" form of the Grand Martingale progression can be used to create some kind of Ultimate System then I would love it, and it is to this end that I have calculated it and posted it here.

Regards

ginger

[VLSroulette]

Thanks Ginger,

We as roulette players are actually giving each other tools, or like Manrique says: weapons to our own arsenals. Perhaphs this will be that latest piece of the puzzle which "triggers it" for someone! 

This thread deserves to go at MM section, mind you, you have made a new Money Management scheme for the community to use. It will for sure has a place at the testing bot!

[VLSroulette]

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