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Started by TwoCatSam, April 12, 2009, 02:17:16 AM

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Number Six

Quote from: thomasgrant
I am not a mod.
But could we at least stay on topic here.
Leave the slagging match on who said what and where to somewhere else.
I think there is a place in the forum for this.


Why are you scared that it's going awry? Think it will hurt sales?

Why don't you and you seller mates just piss off to ebay? Plenty of old garbage being sold there.

murph

this is getting worse six had enough of all this bull s...t people comeing on here making stories up as they go along new menebers and so on ive had enough of this ... murph

Herb

Murph,

Have you crashed the forum recently.  You know, because of people rushing to learn about your system and overwhelming the server?

murph

herb lets get one thing stright when i gave my system away nearley two years ago on here my corner system for free and you can still get for free on here the forum did crash ok ... so please get your facts right before  talking rubbish you wood de brains to come up with waht i did this is the last post to you as you are wasteing my time ...murph

winkel

Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 12, 2009, 10:36:25 AM
Bots are the future for on-line gambling.  
Sam

Sorry Sam,

that is not true.

If you make a withdrawl and the OC checks you style to play, then they will see that you are using a Bot-Machine.

In most T&C the using of bots is not allowed and called cheating.
They won´t pay you out, not even your own cash you payed in.

So buying a bot is wasting money twice: once on the bot and once your Bankroll

BTW: betvoyager has a build-in-Bot
You can place a bet and play for as long as you want.

br
winkel

Tangram

My two cents on system sellers: - While I sympathise with N6, the reality is you're never going to get rid of them, and like prostitutes (no offense intended  ;)), where they're banned they will just go underground, and this causes all kinds of problems. So why not create a section for sellers where they can be "policed"? There could be a requirement that they donate to the forum (in exchange for advertising), and I suggest that either (a) The seller should offer a money back guarantee which will be honoured (preferably through Clickbank) or, failing that (b) The system should be tested by a moderator (or other trusted member) to check that the claims hold up.

If these safeguards are in place, I don't see a problem. If things are left as they are, you're just going to get more threads like this.

Number Six

Well, the Russians have found an excellent way of dealing with parasites - serious criminals, terrorists and the like. They have teams of specialist FSB commandos that go round surgically removing them from society. 

winkel

Quote from: Number Six on April 12, 2009, 02:12:01 PM
Well, the Russians have found an excellent way of dealing with parasites - serious criminals, terrorists and the like. They have teams of specialist FSB commandos that go round surgically removing them from society. 

And 90% of the so removed people are not guilty!

Congratulations. Don´t talk about matters you don´t know!

TwoCatSam

Well, we've gone from a simple test to Russians rounding up people.

winkel,

Your point is well taken.  I'm sure if they KNEW you were using a bot, they would not pay.   But--your statement is an admission that bots might actually work.  Is it not?

People!!  This is a test; it is only a test.  Hell, it might fail.  What then?

Sam

winkel

Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 12, 2009, 03:30:18 PM
I'm sure if they KNEW you were using a bot, they would not pay.   But--your statement is an admission that bots might actually work.  Is it not?
Sam

Hi Sam,

in German forums there is told, that they just claim that you used a bot.

They don´t have to proof. They just say: It is impossible to bet 8 hours every 30 seconds one bet in the same rhythm of time.

Just to play for hours betting every spin lets them say: There is a bot.

Especially they refuse the payment of wins over some hundred euros/$.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 12, 2009, 03:30:18 PMbots might actually work

Of course bots do work: They bet and bet and bet and bet to the limits you put in or the money is gone.
e.g. your screenshot shows the normal wavement of a progression. Prog works most times and you can win for months with it, until it kills you.

But I don´t know Bots which are programmable with any strategy or are already programmed to use a "winning system". I just know bots which bet on ECs doz col streets and lines - favourites or sleepers - with or without a progression.

br
winkel

TwoCatSam

The following is a test using the parameters Matt gave me.  Frankly, I don't like it as well as I do the first one I tested.  It is very slow compared to the first one and the draw down seems rather large.  However, it did produce 100 units of profit in about three hours.

I just discovered I put in $120.80 instead of 1280.10.  That is why the graph is starting so low.  Tough to concentrate when rocks are flying!!

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Tangram

Sam,

Whether a test or not, the thread has already been "corrupted", no matter what the outcome.

I don't take the harsh view adopted by N6, if only because not all system sellers set out to deliberately scam people (in the sense of "obtaining money by deceit"). They may not have tested their system properly, the sequence from hell may be just around the corner, but they haven't discovered it yet. But up until now, it's done pretty well, so why not make a few extra £/$?

Also, as someone has pointed out, it takes time, effort and skill to write software. Shouldn't the programmer be entitled to some reward for that, at least?

I have to admit that I find the attitude of "if it's for sale, it must be a scam" slightly odd. Is money a dirty word? many are here in the hope of finding a winning system, but we expect the fruits of what may be a lot of hard work to be simply given away? Plus, you have to take into account that the seller (particularly if there is software involved), may need to give after-sales support. This takes time, and most people don't have the time to be that philanthropic.

Number Six

Quote from: Winkel on April 12, 2009, 02:35:43 PM
And 90% of the so removed people are not guilty!

Congratulations. Don´t talk about matters you don´t know!


Show me the proof of their innocence please

"Show me proof of their guilt........blah blah blah"


winkel

It is enough to be oponent to the government to get murdered or brought to prisons or psychiatrie.

I don´t have to proof it, it is general knowledge

br
winkel


Number Six

All bots are good for is to allow lazy people to lose automatically. People want bots because they can't be bothered playing manually. And if they say it's because they get emotional, then they clearly don't have the discipline to play fullstop.

Anyone who is gullible enough to think a bot will "make you money while you sleep" needs a slap in the face and a good wake-up call...no pun intended.

Number Six

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