The Eggleston Betting system

[birdhands]

I just saw your PM.  Feel kind of silly having spouted all these progression ideas; your two column 15 step martingale is in a league of its own.  Surviving 15 chops with such a low stop/loss, it can't be beat.  I have to say, between this and John Gold this is a very exciting time on the forum.

Sam

[jrhelp007]

colbster,

To summarize the decision of betting and its move is it OK to assume the following:

From dozen 1 to dozen 2 movement is R(Right) bet on (2,3)
From dozen 2 to dozen 3 movement is R(Right) bet on (3,1)
From dozen 3 to dozen 1 movement is R(Right) bet on (1,2)


From dozen 1 to dozen 3 movement is L(Left) bet on (3,2)
From dozen 3 to dozen 2 movement is L(Left) bet on (2,1)
From dozen 2 to dozen 1 movement is L(Left) bet on (1,3)

Pros & Cons for the betting:

I repeated the bets but it lead me to go thru the progression sooner. So once you win, perhaps you are correct we should track the dozen.

What's your taken.

Regard,

John

[colbster]

Your summary is correct concerning the directions.  Any amount of repeats will have good runs and bad runs.  Some will win, some will lose.  I stick with the stats that suggest that there are three times as many doubles as triples and three times as many triples as quads.  That being the case, you are more likely to have your wins turn into losses by continuing to chase.  Take your money off the table and walk away a winner - you have plenty of time to make a mint!

[jrhelp007]

What is a good amount of money to leave the table +50?

Stop/loss -100?

I know it's all about the Bankroll and Money Management. Any statement of direction in terms of leaving the table as it relates to your system?

Thanks,

John

[colbster]

I have two situations when I take a loss.  The first is when I bust out at level 64.  The second is when I have won at the 64 level a couple of times in a session, but because of the chops preceding the wins, I am still down units because of no repeats appearing during the progression.  This accounted for both of my first two losses - wins that ended with me down.  I suffered my worst-case scenario loss yesterday which was considerably more than 100 units.  It happened after busting out at level 64.  I have, however, gone from down at level 32 to comfortably up (more than +50) after repeats of the 64, so I am comfortable with this choice.  You might feel more comfortable stopping with a loss of 32 to reduce damage to your bankroll, but my experienc is that this is actually revenue-neutral in the long run.

I play with a session bankroll of 300 units.  Using the 50/50 money management method, I am working to build up additional bankrolls with my profits.  I believe that 3 backup bankrolls will be sufficient for all eventualities.  When I opened up my account for real money, I couldn't and didn't want to risk a great deal of money.  I started with just 40 euros, playing 0.1 euro units.  At this level, I have grown my bankroll to a little over 120 euros in about 10 days.  At 150, I will increase bets to 0.2 (3x30 backup bankrolls plus main bankroll of 60, which is 300x.2).  I will play this until 330, when I will move to 0.5 units (3x60 backup bankrolls plus main bankroll of 150, which is 300x.5).  My final move up, dictated by table limits, will be at 750, moving to 1 euro chips.  My plan then is to grow my online account to a point where I can take cash to the larger tables in Vegas to earn some "big" returns and enjoy my success.

Like all systems, there are occasional down patches in mine.  I knew that at the outset and it does not worry me.  I have quickly recovered from every one of my few losses, and my returns are very consistent.  I have adjusted my status on this program from "work-in-progress" to "great system that will allow me to retire before I am 38".  I know that all systems have knee-jerk skeptics, but I am personally convinced that this is my long-term winner.  Others testing this system have privately confirmed their success as well, with minor modifications that they prefer in their own play methods.

[harald]

Hi all.
Great to read all of this.
But i don't understand everything.  Englisch is not my native tongue so i'm missing some parts.  Till now it looks a bit like:
Phase 1.  Collect underpants.
Phase 2. ?
Phase 3.  Profit.

So i hope someone can help me out a bit.

"Since I expect the next bet to be in the 1st dozen, I place one unit there.  I place another unit on the 2nd dozen as the last dozen to have spun.   If the spin gives us a result in the 1st dozen, we would count this as a win (W) and take our money off of the table. "

And then?  Spinning to find a new trigger? And is the trigger the first repeat that comes up?

"However, as long as the 2nd dozen might continue to repeat (R), we will duplicate our bet exactly. "

But do i duplicate, in this case, in both 1st and second dozen? And do i keep betting progressive on the 1st and 2nd dozen till it won't drop in the 2nd dozen?

And is the profit, in this case, if the 2nd dozen drops a couple of times in a row and you quit after a couple of repeats? Then start over till you have your goal for the day?

Thanks.

[harald]

I play with a session bankroll of 300 units.   Using the 50/50 money management method, I am working to build up additional bankrolls with my profits.   I believe that 3 backup bankrolls will be sufficient for all eventualities.   When I opened up my account for real money, I couldn't and didn't want to risk a great deal of money.   I started with just 40 euros, playing 0. 1 euro units.   At this level, I have grown my bankroll to a little over 120 euros in about 10 days.   At 150, I will increase bets to 0. 2 (3x30 backup bankrolls plus main bankroll of 60, which is 300x. 2).   I will play this until 330, when I will move to 0. 5 units (3x60 backup bankrolls plus main bankroll of 150, which is 300x. 5).   My final move up, dictated by table limits, will be at 750, moving to 1 euro chips.  

You say you almost exclusively play rng.  Then i hope the moment comes soon were you play for 0,50 and 1 euro chips.  Even if i don't understand all of what your saying i know for sure it works if you win on those bets.  But i'm affraid the rng comes after you at that time.  I tried lot's of 'systems' and always win in the beginning or if i play 1c and 10c bets.  Even complete nonsense 'systems's work.  But after a while or after i bet with higher bets the quicker i lost no matter what i tried.  I hope you won't have the same but i truly believe rng is rigged.  It's not random and it reacts to your betting.  And i'm not saying 8 reds in a row that's cheating.
But if a dozen don't come for more then 24 spins then i think there's something fishy.  If 9 reds, zero, 9 reds drop i think it's funny. . . . if this happens 3 times in 2 hours then i think there's something fishy.  These things only happens at rng and it happens every day.  And the straw that broke my camels back was number 22 drops 7 times in 14 spins.

[birdhands]

Hi all.
Great to read all of this.
But I don't understand everything.  Englisch is not my native tongue so I'm missing some parts.  Till now it looks a bit like:
Phase 1.  Collect underpants.
Thanks.

I have got to say that is one of the funniest things I've seen in a long long time.  What is it you are trying yo say here?

Sam

[birdhands]

Harald,
   Study the link at the bottom of post #3.  That should answer most of your questions.

   By the way, I am totally with Harald on the RNG thing, don't trust them a bit.

   Alright, I'm gonna go collect underpants and make some big bucks!

Sam

[birdhands]

Hi all.
Great to read all of this.
But I don't understand everything.  Englisch is not my native tongue so I'm missing some parts.  Till now it looks a bit like:
Phase 1.  Collect underpants.
Phase 2. ?
Phase 3.  Profit.

So I hope someone can help me out a bit.

"Since I expect the next bet to be in the 1st dozen, I place one unit there.  I place another unit on the 2nd dozen as the last dozen to have spun.   If the spin gives us a result in the 1st dozen, we would count this as a win (W) and take our money off of the table. "

And then?  Spinning to find a new trigger? And is the trigger the first repeat that comes up? Assumig you are using Colbster's betting method, the new trigger is when the direction shifts.  I fyou lost because of a direction shift, then bet the new direction; if you won then spin until a new direction, if a 0 hits, then wait for a new set of spins with a new direction.

"However, as long as the 2nd dozen might continue to repeat (R), we will duplicate our bet exactly. "

But do I duplicate, in this case, in both 1st and second dozen? yesAnd do I keep betting progressive on the 1st and 2nd dozen till it won't drop in the 2nd dozen? no, only progress if you lose

And is the profit, in this case, if the 2nd dozen drops a couple of times in a row and you quit after a couple of repeats? Then start over till you have your goal for the day?keep betting until a win (1st dozen) or a loss (3rd dozen)

Thanks.

[harald]

Thanks Sam for trying to help.   

I think I see the light but I don't see the path to the light.   .   .   .   .   yet
There's 2 things that makes this hard to figure out.   .   .   .   and that is the progressive side and the new trigger.   

"However, as long as the 2nd dozen might continue to repeat (R), we will duplicate our bet exactly.   "

I thought this was the progressive part.   .   .   like anti-martingale.   .   .   .   you win then you double.   .   .   but I did calculating and calculating and it didn't make any sense.   
Now Sam tells me you go progressive if you lose.    But I don't know how because:

"This is the entirety of the Eggleston Betting system.       Stop with a win, stop with a loss, keep winning with repeats.       Then wait for whatever your next trigger is and begin again.   "

It clearly says stop with a loss.    So what do I bet progressive on? The next bet?.   .   .   and keep betting progressive till a win?

Also I see people talking about spinning the wheel till you have a movement.   .   .   but besides the zero and the repeat there's always a movement right away.    So I think after a win or loss you spin till you have the new movement?


Please take my hand and talk to me slow.   .   .   just pretend I'm from Canada or Belgium  

There's a (L), (M) and (H) dozen.   

Repeat:
I spin 12(L) and a 24(M)
So from L to M is movement right so I bet 1$ on M and H.   
M is the repeat and H is the win.   
Now 21(M) drops so I repeat the bet.   .   .   so again 1$ on M and H.    And I repeat this till M drops no more.   .   .   .   correct?

Win:
Ok same spin 12(L) and a 24(M)
I have 1$ on M and H.    But now 31 (H) drops.   .   .   so it's a win.   .   .   I take my money from the table.   
But then what?
The movement is from 24M to 31H.    So the movement is right again so my new bet would be on H and L? And H would be the repeat and L would be the win.   .   .   correct?
Or do I take a free spin after the 31H to get my new movement?
Say after the 31(H) I free spin and number 17(M) drops.   .   .   movement is left so I bet on M and L.   .   .   M is the repeat and L is the win?
Or do i start completely over again? So spin at least 2 more times to get the new movement?

Loss:
Ok same spin 12(L) and a 24(M)
I have 1$ on M and H.    But now 4(L) drops.   .   .   so it's a lose.   .   .   .   the casino takes my money from the table.   
But then what?
It went from M to L.    So the movement is left so my next bet would be on L and H? And L would be the repeat and H would be the win.   .   .   .   correct?
Or do I also take a free spin after the 4(L) to get my new movement?
Or do i start completely over again? So spin at least 2 more times to get the new movement?

Now the progressive part.   
I spin again 12(L) and then 24(M).   
I bet 1$ on M and H.    I spin and 4(L) drops.   .   .   so it's a lose.   
Let's say I have to free spin now to get a new movement.   .   .   I spin a 34(H).   .   .   from L to H is movement left so now I bet 2$ on H and 2$ on M?
I spin 4(L) again.   .   .   so it's a lose again.   .   .   .   ok I free spin again to get a new movement.   .   .   I spin 7(L).   .   .   .   that's not a movement so I can't do nothing with that so I have to spin again right?.   .   .   next I spin a 16(M).   .   .   from 7(L) to 16(M) is movement right so now I bet 4$ on M and H?
And I keep doing this progression till I have a win?

[colbster]

Please take my hand and talk to me slow.   .   .   just pretend I'm from Canada or Belgium  Huh?

There's a (L), (M) and (H) dozen.   

Repeat:
I spin 12(L) and a 24(M)
So from L to M is movement right so I bet 1$ on M and H.   
M is the repeat and H is the win.   
Now 21(M) drops so I repeat the bet.   .   .   so again 1$ on M and H.    And I repeat this till M drops no more.   .   .   .   correct?  100% correct

Win:
Ok same spin 12(L) and a 24(M)
I have 1$ on M and H.    But now 31 (H) drops.   .   .   so it's a win.   .   .   I take my money from the table.   
But then what?
The movement is from 24M to 31H.    So the movement is right again so my new bet would be on H and L? And H would be the repeat and L would be the win.   .   .   correct?
Or do I take a free spin after the 31H to get my new movement?
Say after the 31(H) I free spin and number 17(M) drops.   .   .   movement is left so I bet on M and L.   .   .   M is the repeat and L is the win?
Or do I start completely over again? So spin at least 2 more times to get the new movement?  You only make one bet in the same direction until you get a new trigger.  When you get a win on your first movement to the right, you stop betting until you get your first left movement, at which point in time you play until your first win from another left movement, or until you lose to a right movement which starts a new bet in that direction.

Loss:
Ok same spin 12(L) and a 24(M)
I have 1$ on M and H.    But now 4(L) drops.   .   .   so it's a lose.   .   .   .   the casino takes my money from the table.   
But then what?
It went from M to L.    So the movement is left so my next bet would be on L and H? And L would be the repeat and H would be the win.   .   .   .   correct?  This is correct
Or do I also take a free spin after the 4(L) to get my new movement?No
Or do I start completely over again? So spin at least 2 more times to get the new movement?No, you can act on the very first spin in a new direction

Now the progressive part.   
I spin again 12(L) and then 24(M).   
I bet 1$ on M and H.    I spin and 4(L) drops.   .   .   so it's a lose.   
Let's say I have to free spin now to get a new movement.   .   .   I spin a 34(H).   .   .   from L to H is movement left so now I bet 2$ on H and 2$ on M? You would not free spin here - the movement from M to L creates your bet on L and H
I spin 4(L) again.   .   .   so it's a lose again.   .   .   .   ok I free spin again to get a new movement.   .   .   I spin 7(L).   .   .   .   that's not a movement so I can't do nothing with that so I have to spin again right?.   .   .   next I spin a 16(M).   .   .   from 7(L) to 16(M) is movement right so now I bet 4$ on M and H?
And I keep doing this progression till I have a win?  I have two separate progressions, 1 for right and 1 for left.  Whenever you have a win in one direction, that will reset your progression ONLY IN THAT DIRECTION. The two directions are completely independent of one another.  If you lose on a Left movement, you move the left progression up to the next level, but you have to wait until your next left trigger to apply the new betting amount.  Since you just lost to a right movement, you will make a bet to the right at whatever progression level is indicated for the right movements.  You don't worry about your left progression until your next left bet is triggered.

[harald]

Thank you for trying to help colbster.   

You only make one bet in the same direction until you get a new trigger.     When you get a win on your first movement to the right, you stop betting until you get your first left movement, at which point in time you play until your first win from another left movement, or until you lose to a right movement which starts a new bet in that direction.   
I have two separate progressions, 1 for right and 1 for left.     Whenever you have a win in one direction, that will reset your progression ONLY IN THAT DIRECTION.    The two directions are completely independent of one another.     If you lose on a Left movement, you move the left progression up to the next level, but you have to wait until your next left trigger to apply the new betting amount.     Since you just lost to a right movement, you will make a bet to the right at whatever progression level is indicated for the right movements.     You don't worry about your left progression until your next left bet is triggered.   

So you never bet twice in a row on a left of right movement? And both left and right have a progressive?
Let me put all of this in a blender and see if we can feed the baby.   

Let's say I make a right movement/bet and put 1$ on M and H.    If M is the repeat and it drops then ofcourse I duplicate the bet till M doesn't drop anymore.   
If H drops then it's a win.   .   .   so then I take my money and go for the left movement/bet.   .   .   .   after the left movement/bet I go for the right movement/bet and because I won the previous right movement/bet I again only bet 1$ on each dozen.   

Now lets say on that right movement/bet with 1$ on M and H the L drops so I lose my right movement/bet.  .  .  .  I go for my left movement/bet.  .   .   .   after that left movement/bet I again go for the right movement/bet but now I must go progressive because I lost the previous right movement/bet. 

[birdhands]

That sounds right to me.  I think you've got it.

[colbster]

If H drops then it's a win.   .   .   so then I take my money and go for the left movement/bet.   .   .   .   

Just be sure after a win that you wait for the next trigger, which in this case is a new movement to the left.  You don't automatically start betting to the left after a win to the right.  There is often a couple of tracking spins before the trigger for your next bet.  Otherwise, you seem to have it just right.

[colbster]

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