What Does a Trend Look Like?

[gizmotron]

Spike said: People are always saying they bet the 'trend' and never say what a trend is.
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Is this a trend? BBBBBBBBBB

This? BBB P PPP P BBB P

This? BB PP BB PP BB PP

This? BB P BB P BB P BB P

This? B P B P B P B P

This? BBBB PPPP BBBB

This? BB P B PP B P BB

Just curious.[/colorsb]

[gizmotron]

What is a pattern?

What is a streak?

What is dominance?

What is symmetry in a trend?

Does symmetry apply more to patterns?

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[J.Daniels]

Patterns can be whatever u are capable of watching and make sense out of it. They can hold long time, and like that you could be able to exploit it.
You can also use patterns-breaker, antipaterns strings, or dominant patterns, etc.. well the universe is huge

It is just a matter of knowing what the wheel is throwing at the time. Is it trending long patters and exploitable, or not?

"if its been a cold week, probably we are in winter"

JD

[Colin]

I need your HELP PLEASE saw a system i think it was to do with BLACK& LOW  + A Staking plan some 1 please tell me where i can find it again .Colin ps it is a recent 1

[gizmotron]

I  need your HELP PLEASE saw a system I  think it was to do with BLACK& LOW  + A Staking plan some 1 please tell me where I  can find it again .Colin ps it is a recent 1

Please try a search for "BLACK & LOW" or "Staking plan" I did. I got so many links that I could not figure out what help you need. But I'm glad to help because I'm here to help those that need help. BTW, do you have any thoughts on what trends, patterns, and streaks are?

[lucky_strike]

 
So how do we hit an trend?
1 attempt or 2 attemps or above.

When does an trend quit?
1 lose or 2 loses or above.

Is this an trend? LWLWLWWWWWWWLWLL from the result above.



Cheers Lucky Strike

[gizmotron]

So how do we hit an trend?
1 attempt or 2 attemps or above.

When does an trend quit?
1 lose or 2 loses or above.

Is this an trend? LWLWLWWWWWWWLWLL from the result above.

Cheers Lucky Strike

I  guess the reason I 'm asking is because I  know what all this stuff is. I 'm just checking to see if anyone else knows. You see, it's a communication mistake to assume that others know what you mean when you say trend or pattern. Just for the record, I  would not use rule based systems or templates, all the time, against randomness. You see, there will be that that time when it doesn't work well. So, to answer your question, using the rule first move / second move, first loss / second loss can't work always.

[lucky_strike]

So, to answer your question, using the rule first move / second move, first loss / second loss can't work always.

Okay agree.

Spike said: People are always saying they bet the 'trend' and never say what a trend is.
[colorsb]
Is this a trend? BBBBBBBBBB

This? BBB P PPP P BBB P

This? BB PP BB PP BB PP

This? BB P BB P BB P BB P

This? B P B P B P B P

This? BBBB PPPP BBBB

This? BB P B PP B P BB

Just curious.[/colorsb]

All the patterns above can be divide into 1/3 so is this the basic for trending?
Does it exist any other ways to divide them?

RRRRBBBBRRRRBBBB that is series follow by series WWWLWWWLWWWLWWW

RBRBRBRB this is singels alternating WLWLWLWLW or LWLWLWLWLW

RRRBRRRRBRRRR this is series and singels alternating WWLWWWWLWWWW

Cheers Lucky Strike

[geoff365]

2 types a loosing trend or a winning trend. And it doesn't have to be on the EC's

[Arteinvivo]

There are a number of industries whose very survival depends on recognizing the difference between a fad and a trend. A fad by definition is a short-term event, what some may call a 'flash in the pan'. A trend, on the other hand, has the potential of becoming a long-term influence on the future of a market. A fad and a trend may resemble each other at first, but there is almost always a definite beginning and a definite end to a fad. The use of hot pink wall paint may be a fad, but the idea of using designer colors would be a trend, for example.

One major difference between a fad and a trend is duration. A fad product, such as the Pet Rock of the 1970s, enjoys a few months of unexpected popularity, but disappears just as quickly as it appears. The creator of the Pet Rock, a large stone nestled in its own cardboard cage, understood the easy-come, easy-go nature of a fad and capitalized on the public's penchant for novelty toys. The lifespan of most fads is notoriously short, but if a fad item becomes a trend, it can remain popular for decades.

Some say that the difference between a fad and a trend is the number of industries it affects. A fad often appears in a single industry and rarely crosses over into others. The 1980s fashion fad of parachute pants, trousers made from a thin nylon material, did not become an accepted element of the youth culture or the music culture. The recent introduction of Apple's iPod, on the other hand, crossed over into the worlds of fashion, wireless communications and music. Portable electronic devices have become a trend, while fashions such as leg warmers or parachute pants remain fads hopelessly trapped in time.

Another difference between a fad and a trend is industry acceptance. Investing in a fad item can be risky for companies known for setting trends. It can be very difficult to tell the difference between a fad and a trend before the product or service reaches the buying public. Smaller companies often have the flexibility necessary to promote a faddish item, while larger companies tend to wait until the initial smoke clears and a trend can be determined.

This difference between a fad and a trend can be seen in the recent diet wars. When scientific evidence demonstrated a link between high carbohydrate intake and weight gain, a number of fad diet plans quickly emerged. Although the move away from processed foods and carbohydrates soon became a trend, the individual diet plans involved all enjoyed a fleeting popularity.

A similar difference between a fad and a trend also appeared in the fitness industry. An emphasis on core exercises and the reduction of abdominal fat became a trend, but a number of faddish exercise devices appeared suddenly on television screens everywhere. Some of these exercise devices were shown to be ineffective or even dangerous for the user, while others became part of the trend towards better health and weight reduction. One of the telling differences between a fad and a trend is the perception of overall quality. Fad items are rarely expected to endure, but trends tend to survive the decade in which they were created.

Source: nolinks://nolinks.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-fad-and-a-trend.htm

In short, a trend is an affair of perception. You can't argue a perception sorry but life is life, you'll need to find another punching bag once again.

[gizmotron]

There are a number of industries whose very survival depends on recognizing the difference between a fad and a trend. A fad by definition is a short-term event, what some may call a 'flash in the pan'. A trend, on the other hand, has the potential of becoming a long-term influence on the future of a market. A fad and a trend may resemble each other at first, but there is almost always a definite beginning and a definite end to a fad. The use of hot pink wall paint may be a fad, but the idea of using designer colors would be a trend, for example.

One major difference between a fad and a trend is duration. A fad product, such as the Pet Rock of the 1970s, enjoys a few months of unexpected popularity, but disappears just as quickly as it appears. The creator of the Pet Rock, a large stone nestled in its own cardboard cage, understood the easy-come, easy-go nature of a fad and capitalized on the public's penchant for novelty toys. The lifespan of most fads is notoriously short, but if a fad item becomes a trend, it can remain popular for decades.

Some say that the difference between a fad and a trend is the number of industries it affects. A fad often appears in a single industry and rarely crosses over into others. The 1980s fashion fad of parachute pants, trousers made from a thin nylon material, did not become an accepted element of the youth culture or the music culture. The recent introduction of Apple's iPod, on the other hand, crossed over into the worlds of fashion, wireless communications and music. Portable electronic devices have become a trend, while fashions such as leg warmers or parachute pants remain fads hopelessly trapped in time.

Another difference between a fad and a trend is industry acceptance. Investing in a fad item can be risky for companies known for setting trends. It can be very difficult to tell the difference between a fad and a trend before the product or service reaches the buying public. Smaller companies often have the flexibility necessary to promote a faddish item, while larger companies tend to wait until the initial smoke clears and a trend can be determined.

This difference between a fad and a trend can be seen in the recent diet wars. When scientific evidence demonstrated a link between high carbohydrate intake and weight gain, a number of fad diet plans quickly emerged. Although the move away from processed foods and carbohydrates soon became a trend, the individual diet plans involved all enjoyed a fleeting popularity.

A similar difference between a fad and a trend also appeared in the fitness industry. An emphasis on core exercises and the reduction of abdominal fat became a trend, but a number of faddish exercise devices appeared suddenly on television screens everywhere. Some of these exercise devices were shown to be ineffective or even dangerous for the user, while others became part of the trend towards better health and weight reduction. One of the telling differences between a fad and a trend is the perception of overall quality. Fad items are rarely expected to endure, but trends tend to survive the decade in which they were created.

Source: nolinks://nolinks.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-a-fad-and-a-trend.htm

In short, a trend is an affair of perception. You can't argue a perception sorry but life is life, you'll need to find another punching bag once again.

I'd like to suggest a fad. If it does well then it might become a trend. Let's find out how many gamblers here assume they know what trends, patterns, streaks and swarms are. How many think they play trends with a set of rules? Like if you see three reds you bet black, rules like that.

[Arteinvivo]

Why do you like to ask such questions which lead nowhere ?

[gizmotron]

Why do you like to ask such questions which lead nowhere ?

This is nowhere for all you folks in a trance. You know, that thing you are doing now that will win for you the next time you go to the casino.

What comes at you is constantly changing. If you aren't constantly changing too then you have no chance. What makes you think that a set of rules or conditions will trigger your next win? Why do you keep doing that until you are in a hole again? "The sleeper must awaken."; Dune.

This time Arte, the only nowhere is the confusion you must feel. I know what you don't know. The cat is out of the bag.  It's not nowhere. I know that a discussion with you about patterns and symmetry is like discussing the origins of the universe with a first grader.

[VLSroulette]

Hi there mates...

Let's keep the post constructive please, we all want to learn from each other's interaction and hopefully let readers learn something valuable out of it.



Hello Gizmo, I'd like to interact a little here regarding trending and dominance.

A trend -as per the Market Trend- definition refers to:
"A prolonged period of time when prices in a financial market are rising or falling faster than their historical average."

In roulette determining something as "trending" can be extrapolated to that, only we use the matematical mean according to our "past-spin window" as our "historial average".

We gamblers like to refer to something as "trending" when it is showing dominance (as in Stochastic dominance, "a situation in which one lottery -a probability distribution of outcomes- can be ranked as superior to another, with only limited knowledge of preferences"), but in reality it can be "trending" both ways: upwards and downwards, a positive trend and a negative trend. We need of course to have our frame of reference and for us roulette players it is our past-spin window.

Also domination for card players can refer to a way of rating a hand, "used to refer to any situation where one hand is highly likely to beat another".



Let's please keep the thread on topic. Gizmo, You are right when you say we cannot assume others know what we know.

I would like for sure to see your take on these interesting terms you are bringing up to the debate: What is a pattern, a trend, a streak, a dominance and symmetry in a trend. If you can provide your take on them, then we can properly interact with you using your provided information as the "gizmo frame of reference", this is, interact with you knowing what your understading is on them.

That is a good starting point for further constructive debate.

Best regards,
Victor

[gizmotron]

...Let's please keep the thread on topic. Gizmo, You are right when you say we cannot assume others know what we know.

I would like for sure to see your take on these interesting terms you are bringing up to the debate: What is a pattern, a trend, a streak, a dominance and symmetry in a trend. If you can provide your take on them, then we can properly interact with you using your provided information as the "gizmo frame of reference", this is, interact with you knowing what your understading is on them.

That is a good starting point for further constructive debate.

Best regards,
Victor

It never occurred to me that when in the past year my discussions were deliberately turned off topic at this point I was being misunderstood because of many definitions or meanings for "trend" and "trending." The phrases for what is a pattern, a trend, a streak, a dominance and symmetry in a trend or symmetry in a pattern were misunderstood at least. For that matter, elegant patterns were outright denied to exist at all and were scorned everywhere. The idea for them became fodder for rule based system players and mechanical bet selection players. Even accepted beliefs in general where those opinions. I was always dumbfounded to discover them as proof for my loony claims. Oh Yeah, I want to keep it on topic.

Let's keep this on topic. I already ruled out rule based system play and mechanical bet selection play as a ridiculous way to proceed in gambling in a real casino. There are times when the triggers don't work. That alone is apparently a mile stone for many to get past themselves. I can't offer wisdom to those that need to run the course properly and to discover the hard way that the systems will not get them what they want. Unless all they want is to experience many times that fixed rules flow in and out of working for them. That's the lesson to learn you know.

There is no discussing this. You have to get to a point where you are disgusted and tired with systems before you give up on trying to find that Holy Grail.

Now's usually when I'm forced to defend my beliefs. I heard that dragging sandpaper over your tongue won't work either but go ahead, prove me wrong. To those that think this is a personal attack on them, you would be wrong. What you think is beautiful to you right now is worthless crap to me. I earned this by playing in casinos for more than 30 years and by teaching myself computer languages so that I could test every system ever claimed to be valuable by simulating them for their long term effect. I even played with the possibility of conditional selection for intelligent guessing. That is the only version of simulation that changed the odds. I never proceeded with making it available because what I do in playing roulette is more powerful than artificial intelligent, smart systems, for computer programming. Now it doesn't matter if you believe me now or not. I know that perhaps someday you will get tired of searching and come back to this.

The questions presented by Spike and me were to confirm that there is a generalization for what a trend is to others and that nobody is comfortable with understanding what these other things are. They have not offered explanations for what Spike first wrote. Nobody answered my questions. These concepts are far from most people's thinking I'm afraid. Just about every thing I've said must seem like some lame baloney to most here. That's fine with me. It is no wonder that educated guessing is a hoax to almost everyone. Spikes average claim for 72% is a point of ridicule for almost everyone. From my perspective it is a kind of test to see where most people are as a gambler in their learning path of gaining playing experience. So it goes without saying. If there are secrets to be kept from those that have not paid their dues or that lack sufficient playing experience it must be those that are imposed on themselves by their own openness to what works  and what does not work. Inclusion in the club comes at a price higher than Rubies. The only way to pay for this scam is to buy it with your blood sweat and tears.

There is no way on earth that I'm going to lay it out there, because I have tried that approach. It falls on deaf ears. And Arte thinks I ask questions that lead to nowhere. He is just being honest to himself. In a way that is refreshing.

[gizmotron]

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