Lets say that the wheel performs a full cirlcle in 4 sec, the ball rolls from my observation point and I have number 5 and with the next roll I have number 30.Αs I realize from a vid I saw here.Im counting the distance between those numbers(3 pockets) and I multiply with 4.Then im going again to my first number (5) and I count 12 pockets from the side the wheel spins.The result (25) is my bet.
Where is my mistake?Please answer.
Thanks
Not sure I understand your explanation.
Quote from: Davey-Jones on February 04, 2010, 10:22:24 PM
Not sure I understand your explanation.
Not sure i'd undertand the answer.
I dont think i can explain it better.Which part you cannot understand?
If You want to get normal answer must formulate question properly . at least three persons including me not understand what you wrote. Do inference.
What you ask has nothing to do with traditional VB play, it sounds more like one of foresters methods, maybe if you link to the description you talk about we might be wiser.
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Jep thats forester. Can`t help you since i can`t see why it should work. But its probably just me who haven`t deceifered the explanation correct.
Quote from: Kelly on February 05, 2010, 07:21:47 PM
Jep thats forester. Can`t help you since I can`t see why it should work. But its probably just me who haven`t deceifered the explanation correct.
You say it doesnt work.I dont know,maybe you are right.
Can you tell me the basic steps to start with VB?
I just don`t see the logic since there are too many "look alike" mixed variables that can lead to different results as I understand the system. But it can easyli be me who has misunderstood the system, so I have just put it on "hold" until someone drops a understandable explanation whith a good logic.
When I wrote on foresters forum there were plenty of discussions on traditional VB that forester calls "estimation" and I don`t have the time to rewrite the entire thing again so your best bet is to extract what I have written on "Uwes" method on foresters board. Uwes method is basicly laurances system transferred to slower wheels with the cross bar on top (french models)(not the girls).
Just be carefull with pattern play such as 4X or 3X or 2X, I would always recommend learning to define a certain ball speed with the eyes/head count/thumper/accoustic instead of patterns, unless you really understand how the patterns develop and how 2 equal looking patterns might develop differently (tight, wide, weird....etc) which in the end might lead to different fall off points.
Using a thumper or a head count, you can define a specific ball speed this way:
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Picture source: Pierre Basieux, Roulette HardCore & Software, Algorithmen
You see that the thump (beep) at 2 and 3 ball revoloution is occurring at the same spot, which means that if for example you have the thumper set at 60 BPM (1 sec) the ball is at a speed where it takes exactly 1 sec to make a full revoloution. Don`t pay too much attention to that it is called 2 and 3 beep, it could take maybe 8 - 12 revoloutions or more before the ball reaches stage 2 and 3.
I would never use a thumper (anymore) in the casino but practise at home counting ABC1......ABC1....... or "Missisipi" until I got I rock solid feeling for 60 BPM. If you play where there are relatively early call for no more bets, it might be a good idea to develop a feeling for 70 BPM and use same procedure.
Its a longer story to define where to look and how to track, but try search GG or foresters board on what I have written.
Here Pierre Basieux shows how you can use the 60 BPM to define a 3 second rotor speed.
(https://www.vlsroulette.com/proxy.php?request=nolinks%3A%2F%2Fimg300.imageshack.us%2Fimg300%2F4139%2Fmgmrotorjm5.jpg&hash=df1c71fab6ac9f1d04602c570a3ffcccad785352) (nolinks://img300.imageshack.us/i/mgmrotorjm5.jpg/)
Picture source: Pierre Basieux
Note that it takes 3 seconds of the entire running time to measure this, if you don`t have the time you might go for a shorter version where for example you only use 2 beep/thumps. At a 3 second rotor you would have either number 13 or 14 at the second beep. You might even develop a 1 second measure, just notice that if you cut from the entire full rotor revoloution to maybe 1/3 or 2/3, your measures are more likely to be inaccuate depending on how much you have practiced
Thank you for your reply Kelly.It seems that you are supporting this section members more than the mods.
Thank you again.I hope to manage with VB.
Yeah well, i only have interest in this section. No matter who owns the forum, i will participate in a debate if it involves something im interested in. The only board i really dropped out of, is foresters. Because i don`t like the way he twists things you say beyond recognition. Don`t know what his issues is, and don`t care, i just stay away. I once praised Jafco for his good illustrations and fairly good explanations on basic VB play, i also wrote that if it was me, i would have used the easy wheel for explanation purposes and a more diffycult Cammegh as case project. He turned that into that i have said that it was a fantastic good method etc. critizising just about everything about it.
But i will support all other boards if something interesting turns up, but i don`t see it as substitute for real life as Spike appears to do. Apparently he thinks that Steve will have to lie down and die on the spot because some members flee.
What the hell, its only a message board. In my book im more concerned about the state of my snow shovel than the rules and behaviour on a message board.
Nicely put. :thumbsup:
well said Kelly but it is not that easy how you said --there is not that much members how you can think and there is most of time wery poor explanation some sort of thinks which actualy play big role so ??? what is the reason being here and waiting when the man get joke and s...ts on our heads just for his own EGO what is the reason been here anyway being hacker is much better becouse otters hackers will realy learn you something but exconmen rouletteplayer will teach you nothing more then been conman... the other paople show lots of effort but for what ??FOR NOTHING btw-nice explanation VB!!
Quote from: Angel on February 05, 2010, 06:46:14 PM
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YOU NEVER GET ANSWERE RIGHT ON THIS FORUM REMEMBER!!!!
Quote from: Bo0Merang on February 06, 2010, 07:40:30 PM
YOU NEVER GET ANSWERE RIGHT ON THIS FORUM REMEMBER!!!!
You'll just have to hope they invite you into one of those top-secret ones, the ones which "explode" quite well on their own... or give Steve $2500, and hope (and pray) that 100's of hours of practice will pay off while you're "loitering around" the casino floor trying to not stand out too much.
lool dont make with me around maybe you think im totally dumb but im more dumb than you can imagine
Boomerang, the only reason he wont get an answer on Zerdoom in here, is because the author is the only one who knows how to play it. I have yet to see a player describing it correct and so that i can understand it. But im not chasing an explanation or a discussion on the topic, if someone wanna discuss it, feel free, i might learn something. I can read what forester write, its just not very clear because of the language and there are no logic in it as there are in traditional VB.
By all means carry on.
Quote from: Kelly on February 06, 2010, 11:19:42 AM
The only board I really dropped out of, is foresters. Because I don`t like the way he twists things you say beyond recognition. Don`t know what his issues is, and don`t care, I just stay away. I once praised Jafco for his good illustrations and fairly good explanations on basic VB play, I also wrote that if it was me, I would have used the easy wheel for explanation purposes and a more diffycult Cammegh as case project. He turned that into that I have said that it was a fantastic good method etc. critizising just about everything about it.
ugh Kelly you have no idea how bad Forester can twist things