Inverted Fibonacci with stop loss and money management control.

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fine I will study it and see how it holds up on my real spins.

Well firs you can begin with to ask how you play 123 and it was for demonstration.
I think there is better ways to play then just aim for short series.

The point that is made is that fibo after you pass zero point is good.
If you are above you just flat-betting and ride the good waves with winnings.
And there is many hybrids that you can use for that.

Cheers

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Here is some real numbers from TwoCatSam: nolinks://vlsroulette.com/actuals-permanences/the-twocat-5000/

Drawdown -7 units High-peak 12 units
With many exit points if you want to end the game and still be ahead
And as you can see you hit 7 and 10 out of 12.

L
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
Z L 2 -4
H L 3 -7

H
L
L W 5 -2
L L 1 -3
L L 1 -4

L
L
H
H W 2 -2   
H L 1 -3
H L 1 -4

H
H
H
L
L W 2 -2
H W 1 -1
H W 1 +0
L W 1 +1
L W 1 +2
L L 1 +1
H W 1 +2
L L 1 +1
L L 1 +0
L L 1 -1

L
H L
L W 1 +0
L L 1 -1
L L 1 -2
H W 2 +0
H W 1 +1
L W 1 +2
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0
L W 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2

L
L W 2 +0
H W 1 +1
L L 1 +0
L L 1 -1
H W 2 +0
L L 1 -1
H W 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
L W 1 +2
L L 1 +1
H W 1 +2
L L 1 +1
H W 1 +2
L W 1 +3
H W 1 +4
L W 1 +5
H W 1 +6
L W 1 +7
L L 1 +6
H W 1 +7
H W 1 +8
L W 1 +9
H L 1 +8
L W 1 +9
L L 1 +8
L L 1 +7
H W 1 +8
H W 1 +9
L W 1 +10
L W 1 +11
H W 1 +12
L L 1 +11
Z L 1 +10
L L 1 +9

L
H
H W 1 +10
L W 1 +11
H L 1 +10
H L 1 +9
L W 1 +10
H L 1 +9
H L 1 +8
H L 1 +7

L
L W 1 +8
H W 1 +9
L L 1 +8
L L 1 +7
L L 1 +6

L
H
L L 1 +5
L L 1 +4
L L 1 +3

H
Z L 1 +2
L L 1 +1
L L 1 +0
H W 1 +1
L L 1 +0
L L 1 -1
H W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
L W 1 +2
H W 1 +3
H L 1 +2
L W 1 +3
H L 1 +2
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0

Z
L
L W 1 +1
H W 1 +2
H W 1 +3
L W 1 +4
H L 1 +3
H L 1 +2
L W 1 +3
H L 1 +2
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H
L
L W 1 +1
H W 1 +2
H W 1 +3
L W 1 +4
H L 1 +3
L W 1 +4
H W 1 +5
H L 1 +4
H L 1 +3
H L 1 +2

H
L
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1

L
L W 1 +0
H W 1 +1
L L 1 +0
H W 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H L 1 -1
L W 1 +0
L W 1 +1
H W 1 +2
H W 1 +3
H L 1 +2
H L 1 +1
H L 1 +0
H
L
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
L W 2 +0
H L 1 -1
H L 1 -2
H L 2 -4
L
H L 3 -7
L W 5 -2
L L 1 -3
L L 1 -4

Cheers

[winkel]

Hi guys,

there two mistakes in this Fibo-Try

1. If you bet 1 unit as long as you win and start progressing after a loss with 2 3 5 ... you win (2 units in the first example) more than in the original way. (after two wins or WLW)

2. If the progression would work, it should work also on the opposite bet.
that means: if the example is betting on R countercheck it with betting on B.
It has to win both ways!

br
winkel

[lucky_strike]

there two mistakes in this Fibo-Try

1. If you bet 1 unit as long as you win and start progressing after a loss with 2 3 5 ... you win (2 units in the first example) more than in the original way. (after two wins or WLW)

2. If the progression would work, it should work also on the opposite bet.
that means: if the example is betting on R countercheck it with betting on B.
It has to win both ways!

1) There is no mistakes in this Fibo 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 and so on you could even use 1 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 and so on.
2) Yes you can play Fibo with any bet selection you want no matter if it is B/R H/L or O/E
3)The illustration above is correct and it use a Fibo below zero point and flat-betting with winnings when you are above.

If you think it is to far away from Fibo i can call it Whittaker progression lol
Maybe you find a detail about the above demonstration then its okay because it is made by hand.
And you don't need to win every step using a prog to end up with a profit.

Cheers Lucky Strike

[winkel]

Hi LS,

I think you got me wrong.

I said there is a mistake in the construction not in the Fibo

br
winkel

[simon]

Yes it is a 50/50 but still you will have up and downs and they will come in waves.
It is sad that your brain have limits to grasp that.

I guess if you stick to one even chance, like Black or Red or Banker or Player, then one or the other will dominate during some limited sequences.  I guess my sad brain can grasp that concept.

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simon this is how you play 123 and the idea is not complete

First you play red or black because you don't know which one will hit.
Then if you win you play the same again so you try to win with a serie of two.
If it win you play against the serie of two to become a serie of two.
It it win you play that the new win will become a serie of two again.

If you win you first bet and lose you secound bet you play you will get a serie of two singles in a row.
If it wins you continue to play that it will produce singles.
If it lose you will have a serie of two and play against it as I mention above.

If you win your first bet and lose 3 times in a row you start over where there is a new colour after a switch from you last losing bets or you continue to play every hand.
If you continue you have to decide if you are going to use a level where you play for series to continue or against.
It becomes a littel complex because they sequenses does not end the same way.

Here is a good session:

1 L 1 -1
2 L 1 -2
1 W 2 +0
1 L 1 -1
2 W 1 +0
2 w 1 +1
1 w 1 +2
1 w 1 +3
2 w 1 +4
2 w 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
2 L 1 +3
1 W 1 +4
1 L 1 +3
2 W 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
1 L 1 +4
2 W 1 +5
2 L 1 +4
1 W 1 +5
1 W 1 +6   
2 W 1 +7
2 W 1 +8
2 L 1 +7
2 L 1 +6
1 W 1 +7
1 W 1 +8   
2 W 1 +9
2 W 1 +10
1 W 1 +11
1 W 1 +12   
1 L 1 +11
2 W 1 +12
1 L 1 +11
1 L 1 +10
2 W 1 +11
2 W 1 +12
1 W 1 +13
1 W 1 +14   
2 W 1 +15
2 W 1 +16
2 L 1 +15
2 L 1 +14
1 W 1 +15
2 L 1 +14   
2 L 1 +13
1 W 1 +14
1 W 1 +15
1 L 1 +14
1 L 1 +13
1 L 1 +12
1
2
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
2
2
1
1 W   
2 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 W   
2 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
1
1 W   
2 L
1 L
1 L
1
2
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
1 W   
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L
1
2
1 L
2 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
1 L
1
2
1 L
2 W
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
2 L
2 L
2
2
2
1
2 L
2 L
2 L
2
2
1
1 W
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
1 W
2 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
1 W
2 W
2 W
1 W
1 W
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
2 W
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
2 L
1 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
1 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
1 L
2 W
1 L
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 W
2 L
1 W
2 L
2 L
2 L

If you get a session like that is very hard to get down to zero point and below and start using fibo.
If you get a bad session you just break even and start all over again.

Cheers LS

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Here you can test it on nolinks.random.org they have a generator at the site put in 0 and 1 and play with a not pad or use RX if you have it.



Lucky me i test it and get a nice sequense:

L 1 -1
L 1 -2
W 2 +0
W 1 +1
W 1 +2
W 1 +3
L 1 +2
W 1 +3
W 1 +4
W 1 +5
W 1 +6
W 1 +7
L 1 +6
W 1 +7
W 1 +8
W 1 +9
L 1 +8
W 1 +9
W 1 +10
L 1 +9
W 1 +10
L 1 +9
L 1 +8
L 1 +7

Cheers

[lucky_strike]

I just run it for 500 and want to mention that you can get a very bad run and hovering around -10 and then there is no point to try to break even just take the loss.
Make any changes to it and maybe there is a way to use triggers and another staking plan.
Its up to you.

I post this in the first place for demonstartaion only.
Cheers

[Marven]

I wouldn't recommend using random.org's binary RNG because of the lack of the zero (i.e. house edge). As far as testing is concerned, best thing is to use real spin records or a genuine roulette RNG.

[Marven]

I just run it for 500 and want to mention that you can get a very bad run and hovering around -10 and then there is no point to try to break even just take the loss.

Lol, it's because no progression/staking plan can alter the odds to the player's favor.

I only recommend using staking plans once you find a bet selection that:
1) Gives you the edge in the long haul.
or
2) Keeps you hovering around the zero point with no brutal fluctuations (in the long run), the staking plan would then serve to ride the light dispersions that are left.

Easier said than done though.

Marv

[lucky_strike]

I wouldn't recommend using random.org's binary RNG because of the lack of the zero (I.e. house edge). As far as testing is concerned, best thing is to use real spin records or a genuine roulette RNG.

That is a joke.
Random.org is the best and there is no need for zero to be a part of it.

If you are a noob then i can see the need that you have to practice how to play when zero strikes.
If you are a pro you just keep playing and following your road map and reduce your gain when zero strikes.

Cheers

[Marven]

That is a joke.
Random.org is the best and there is no need for zero to be a part of it.

If you are a noob then I can see the need that you have to practice how to play when zero strikes.
If you are a pro you just keep playing and following your road map and reduce your gain when zero strikes.

What?

That could work for a few short term sessions, but when it comes to conducting a REAL test (over a statistically relevant sample size, such as 10K placed bets, up to other sizes such as 100K and 1 million, etc.) then having that zero included in your spin samples WILL make a difference, and that is make you lose.

Using binary 0/1 samples is the same as playing a no edge wheel. Good for short term practice, good for seeing random fluctuations etc. But not good for conducting real long term roulette tests.

You should know this already Patrik, you have much more experience with the game than I do.

Respectfully,
Marv

[lucky_strike]

HAHAHAHA you are so funny and i would like to know who talks about edge?

Okay lets assume we let Marven tell us what we all know again.

1) There is no edge playing even money bets or any other way you want to turnaround numbers and play.
2) The house edge will never go away.
3) There is no escape from fluctation.
4) No progression change any thing and you can't beat the game flat betting.

A) If you want to play the game and have some fun you can use flat betting and progression.
B) You can do so and risk less money then using an agressive staking plan like martingale.
C) This is not a Holy Grail because it does not exist.
D) If you don't know how to place your bets when zero strikes, then don't play.

Cheers

[lucky_strike]

That could work for a few short term sessions, but when it comes to conducting a REAL test (over a statistically relevant sample size, such as 10K placed bets, up to other sizes such as 100K and 1 million, etc.) then having that zero included in your spin samples WILL make a difference, and that is make you lose.

And I have won over 800 000 with actuals and zero did not have any serios effect on that.
So when you talk and make statment don't try to bullshit some one who has been there and done that.



Cheers

[lucky_strike]

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