John's 8 number system

[John1234]

Yea I don't really trust them that much. I will, thanks.

[Clothdog]

John,
This is ugly. What are the odds of this? This session-land based casino produced no wins in 20 spins.Did I do this right?
23
25-L
3-L
36-L
23-L
18-L
28-L
13-L
9-L
7-L
0-L
34-L
10-L
24-L
00-L
15-L
1-L
27-L
6-L
32-L
I also tried these actual spins from land based. Did I  not do this right? I know this is a very short session 20 spins but it lost also.
31
32-L
28-W
27-W
18-L
4-L
27-L
29-L
1-L
15-W
00-L
34-L
1-W
16-L
10-L
22-L
19-L
0-L
15-L
9- L
CD

[John1234]

I just looked over the second set of spins and this looks right. There were a lot more losses than wins and it only finished -8 with a high of about 48. It appears as though you did it right.

I will have a look at that 20 loss session right now.

[John1234]

I just looked at the 20 loss session. I have not seen a session like this. I did point out that drawdowns do occur. My max drawdown went from 230 to 110.

I would defiantly exit the session at this point and search for a new table. But on a good note, you did everything right.

[Clothdog]

Thanks John for sharing. Well, I'm glad I did it right, but not glad about the outcome. I was hoping for better.
Yes, I have many 20 spin sessions. But mate, how long do you give it before you exit? See, even when I was trying to devise a system, sooner or later they hit the wall, unfortunately sometimes it's sooner. So there you have it. If I played 2 short sessions like that, I'm afraid I would abandon the method. Only because losing 19 spins in  a row betting 8 numbers does not bode well. Law of averages I should hit at least one out of 4-5 spins betting random. Will give it another look, for some other possibilities and more testing with other numbers, but not overly optimistic after seeing those 2 sessions right off the bat. Thanks again for sharing.
CD

[seykid29]

Hi,i must say your system looks good on paper,nice sectors and everything but the wheel kills it most of the time.I think a good system is one that follow the last spin,even if the wheel have no memory most of the time it does.

[dennisbelle]

I ran the system over spins 14001 to 14060 (60 spins) in the Zumma Roulette tester book and ended at -128 units.

[Bo0Merang]

I just looked at the 20 loss session. I have not seen a session like this. I did point out that drawdowns do occur. My max drawdown went from 230 to 110.

I would defiantly exit the session at this point and search for a new table. But on a good note, you did everything right.

John i have  little  trick  maybe  it will be  better i dont   know  but  im  just  watching  wheel which  is puuled  to   some  sections  i  was  take  pen  and  watch numbers  and  wrote  every  section  number ======= you  know  what is  interesting ?  i give  you  just  example   your  wheel  have   A.B.C.D.E.F  now  the  wery  pleasant  and most pattern  luck  like  that  and  believe me  it is  looong    ABEBEBBCABCABABDAADDDFAFD  SO what i want  to say that if you  will  divide wheel per squads maybe and  make  them  numbered  you  can  read pattern which is obviously  nice  see  it - can be letters  what  ever i did  it  try   on  european  wheel just  quick  watch and  bets most of  repeating pattern  what is  121   orr 1231211 maybe  it can be better just  thought so i mean  8ght quads  numbered orr letters and betting ?? well if  came 1 you  bet  oposite and anticlock  you bet  1 again ...repeating  pattern is  different  i think

[John1234]

clothdog- I agree with you and i was thinking the same thing. That many losses in a row is not good. It is not something that I came across in all of my testing but I am not surprised that it hit a wall because that always seems to happen with roulette. Thanks for looking at it. I have some other ideas as far as where to take the system, maybe it only needs a few tweaks.

seykid29- Yes, it does look good on  paper, maybe I can apply follow the last to this system.

dennisbelle- Thats for running it through the spins. That is a very large drawdown again. I'll have to look for ways to improve the method.

[John1234]

  John I have  little  trick  maybe  it will be  better I dont   know  but  im  just  watching  wheel which  is puuled  to   some  sections  I  was  take  pen  and  watch numbers  and  wrote  every  section  number ======= you  know  what is  interesting ?  I give  you  just  example   your  wheel  have   A.B.C.D.E.F  now  the  wery  pleasant  and most pattern  luck  like  that  and  believe me  it is  looong    ABEBEBBCABCABABDAADDDFAFD  SO what I want  to say that if you  will  divide wheel per squads maybe and  make  them  numbered  you  can  read pattern which is obviously  nice  see  it - can be letters  what  ever I did  it  try   on  european  wheel just  quick  watch and  bets most of  repeating pattern  what is  121   orr 1231211 maybe  it can be better just  thought so I mean  8ght quads  numbered orr letters and betting ?? well if  came 1 you  bet  oposite and anticlock  you bet  1 again ...repeating  pattern is  different  I think

Thanks for the idea, I will have to look into it. When I have more time.

[John1234]

Another idea that I have is to bet two groups of numbers. Maybe Bet the last and the time before the last. If we bet two groups at once then we will be covering between 16-20ish numbers depending on which groups we bet. This is because some numbers overlap so we will not have to bet a number twice.

[Bo0Merang]

if you make  at  any  system i think  that  best  is  not   to bet more then 8 numbers you casn  get 3 times  screewed but  anyway  if you  follow  wheell pattern 5 time after you  will get hit if the sections  will be  matched where they  matched  have to be it can  be  profitable- maybe make  full  system on  wheel patterns with 8th group  numbers i will look on that as well

[John1234]

you are right, it is probably best to bet 8 numbers.

I thought about what you said about the patterns and I think that it could work. Although the wheel does not have a memory I assume that a dealer can get into a rhythm and hit certain sections. I am not too fimilar with roulette so I am not sure about how likely a dealer is to get into a rhythm. But anyway, I think that it can work because every section has has numbers that overlap with other sections.

So while we are pattern betting we are also attempting to trap the area where the ball will land. We are trying to think ahead and catch the short term or long term rhythm of the dealer.

I looked over my first set of data and patterns preformed extremely well. I was winning most of my bets and the set of 75 spins finished about 70 units higher than the first session.

So here is my first attempt so far. I think that we need to have some preset patterns.

Here are a few patterns that I found.
1) when a section hits twice, bet the section again until it losses.
Ex:
1
1 bet section 1
1 Win bet section 1
1 Win bet section 1
1 Win bet section 1
2 lose.

2) When a section hits twice then terminates, but that the next section will streak.
Ex
3
3 Bet section 3 because 3 hit twice
7 Lost the bet, but section 3 occurred twice so bet section 7
7 Win Bet 7 again
7 Win bet 7 again
1 Lose, Now bet 1
1 Win bet 1
1 Win
3 Bet 3
3 Win Bet 3
4 Lose, now bet 4 again
5 Lose, now stop and wait.

3) When we get a 1 section gap between any two sections we bet for a the gap.
Ex:
1
3  Section 2 is between 1 and 3 so bet for section 2.
2 Now stop and wait
4 Section 3 is between 2 and 4 so bet for section 3
3 Win Stop and wait
6 Section 4 and 5 is between section 6 so do not make a bet since there are two sections.
6 there are 2 6's so bet for section 6
6 Win


When you get something like a streak followed by a gap bet for the streak:

Ex:
6
6
8 There is a 7 between the 8 but notice that there are two 6's. So bet for 8
8 Win
11 2 8's between
9 Lose bet 10, there is a gap between 11 and 9 and 11 did not streak
10 Win.


When looking for patterns it is important to stay with the section that is winning. If you get an overlapping number in a given section then stay with the section. Do not look for the true form of the over-lapping number. So let say 42 comes up in section 1 {0,28} 2, 14, 35, 23, {4, 16} 2 is a true number of section 1. Now a 28 comes up in section 1. 28 is an overlapping number. Notice that section 1 appeared twice so you will bet for section 1 even though 28 is an overlapping number. If 7 comes up next then you will look for the section that 7 is in as a true number. So you would be for section 6.

I will list the sections again. Each section is assigned a number 1-12.


1)  {0,28} 2, 14, 35, 23, {4, 16}
2)  {34,22} 5, 17, 32, 20, {7, 11}

3)  {4,16} 33, 21, 6, 18, {31, 19}
4)  {1, 13} 36, 24, 3, 15, {34, 22}

5)  {00} 27, 10, 25, 29, 12, 8, {19}
6)  {20} 7, 11, 30, 26, 9, 28, {0}

7)  4, 16, {23 35, 14, 33, 21, 6}
EIGHT 19, 31, {18, 6, 21, 8, 12, 29}
9)  13, 1, {00, 27, 10,  36, 24, 3}
10) 34, 22 {5, 17, 32, 15, 3, 24}

11) 0: 0, 00 {27, 10, 25, 1, 13, 36}
12} 00: 00, 0, {2, 14, 35, 28, 9, 26}

This is just an idea. It worked well over a few hundred spins.

if this doesn't make sense then let me know. I'm rushing to get this done before my hockey practice.


I will look over the spins that clothdog had trouble with when I get some time

[poxet pool]

Thanks john for double zero action strategy..At 1 time i sliced the wheel to 12 sections 3 poxets per..list as A-L after 3 sections hit i start playin them and on any thereafter..hedge the 0/00 to break even or recoup with a minimum loss..got alot of hits by the time it covered 8 sections..it is tough on the wheel to complete a hit in all 12 sections in one trot. i think i abandon it because of a pretty high bankroll needed..sector playing can be good..but i learned playing with larger sections..gives the wheel a better chance of sticking on opposite side of bets.. hope this experience might help ur developments..

[Bo0Merang]

you are right, it is probably best to bet 8 numbers.

I thought about what you said about the patterns and I think that it could work. Although the wheel does not have a memory I assume that a dealer can get into a rhythm and hit certain sections. I am not too fimilar with roulette so I am not sure about how likely a dealer is to get into a rhythm. But anyway, I think that it can work because every section has has numbers that overlap with other sections.

So while we are pattern betting we are also attempting to trap the area where the ball will land. We are trying to think ahead and catch the short term or long term rhythm of the dealer.

I looked over my first set of data and patterns preformed extremely well. I was winning most of my bets and the set of 75 spins finished about 70 units higher than the first session.

So here is my first attempt so far. I think that we need to have some preset patterns.

Here are a few patterns that I found.
1) when a section hits twice, bet the section again until it losses.
Ex:
1
1 bet section 1
1 Win bet section 1
1 Win bet section 1
1 Win bet section 1
2 lose.

2) When a section hits twice then terminates, but that the next section will streak.
Ex
3
3 Bet section 3 because 3 hit twice
7 Lost the bet, but section 3 occurred twice so bet section 7
7 Win Bet 7 again
7 Win bet 7 again
1 Lose, Now bet 1
1 Win bet 1
1 Win
3 Bet 3
3 Win Bet 3
4 Lose, now bet 4 again
5 Lose, now stop and wait.

3) When we get a 1 section gap between any two sections we bet for a the gap.
Ex:
1
3  Section 2 is between 1 and 3 so bet for section 2.
2 Now stop and wait
4 Section 3 is between 2 and 4 so bet for section 3
3 Win Stop and wait
6 Section 4 and 5 is between section 6 so do not make a bet since there are two sections.
6 there are 2 6's so bet for section 6
6 Win


When you get something like a streak followed by a gap bet for the streak:

Ex:
6
6
8 There is a 7 between the 8 but notice that there are two 6's. So bet for 8
8 Win
11 2 8's between
9 Lose bet 10, there is a gap between 11 and 9 and 11 did not streak
10 Win.


When looking for patterns it is important to stay with the section that is winning. If you get an overlapping number in a given section then stay with the section. Do not look for the true form of the over-lapping number. So let say 42 comes up in section 1 {0,28} 2, 14, 35, 23, {4, 16} 2 is a true number of section 1. Now a 28 comes up in section 1. 28 is an overlapping number. Notice that section 1 appeared twice so you will bet for section 1 even though 28 is an overlapping number. If 7 comes up next then you will look for the section that 7 is in as a true number. So you would be for section 6.

I will list the sections again. Each section is assigned a number 1-12.


1)  {0,28} 2, 14, 35, 23, {4, 16}
2)  {34,22} 5, 17, 32, 20, {7, 11}

3)  {4,16} 33, 21, 6, 18, {31, 19}
4)  {1, 13} 36, 24, 3, 15, {34, 22}

5)  {00} 27, 10, 25, 29, 12, 8, {19}
6)  {20} 7, 11, 30, 26, 9, 28, {0}

7)  4, 16, {23 35, 14, 33, 21, 6}
EIGHT 19, 31, {18, 6, 21, 8, 12, 29}
9)  13, 1, {00, 27, 10,  36, 24, 3}
10) 34, 22 {5, 17, 32, 15, 3, 24}

11) 0: 0, 00 {27, 10, 25, 1, 13, 36}
12} 00: 00, 0, {2, 14, 35, 28, 9, 26}

This is just an idea. It worked well over a few hundred spins.

if this doesn't make sense then let me know. I'm rushing to get this done before my hockey practice.


I will look over the spins that clothdog had trouble with when I get some time

good  its loook perfect i was  littlebit  think  how  to  make  easy  and  maybee this  you  will  like  it   if   you rename  section  numbered  exactly the  same    number oposite  the  example  sector  1 is on  top  then make opsite 00 zero  sector 1 as well and so  on  the reason why  it can  be  better  is  becouse  you  will matched two  patterns  with one  number=== it is  so  far better  for  bet selection nad  wheel  pattern  will be more  easy  for  recognition dont  you  think ??if   you  see  tree times  one  you know  that crossover pattern  finish and  you can bet  other sections  most of  time it will be just  neighbor  example  1 2 2 2 3 2 it will be  more  readable  if  you  know  what  i mean

[Bo0Merang]

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