Jish & Keels system

[keel44]

Why not create many of your own groups of 12 numbers?  Keep track of all of your pre-made groups; like 10 combination's of 12 numbers.   Then, you might find one of those groups that hit 8 in a row.   You can now bet on the other numbers with progression of course.   Heck, have 20 combination's.   Your bound to find a group sooner or later.

Just a thought. 

[Jish]

Why not create many of your own groups of 12 numbers?  Keep track of all of your pre-made groups; like 10 combination's of 12 numbers.   Then, you might find one of those groups that hit 8 in a row.   You can now bet on the other numbers with progression of course.   Heck, have 20 combination's.   Your bound to find a group sooner or later.

Just a thought. 

you might just be onto something keel, let me investigate

[Jish]

OK i made 45 combinations without any effort, there are lots more, If i programmed all of these into a bot and ran the spins through it ild be interested to find out what happens

the combinations are made out of the single streets, I was going to work out every combination but i cant be bothered now lol, 45 is surely enough to begin anyway

The next question, can i code.....nope

1   2   3   4
1   2   3   5
1   2   3   6
1   2   3   7
1   2   3   8
1   2   3   9
1   2   3   10
1   2   3   11
1   2   3   12
2   3   4   5
2   3   4   6
2   3   4   7
2   3   4   8
2   3   4   9
2   3   4   10
2   3   4   11
2   3   4   12
3   4   5   6
3   4   5   7
3   4   5   8
3   4   5   9
3   4   5   10
3   4   5   11
3   4   5   12
4   5   6   7
4   5   6   8
4   5   6   9
4   5   6   10
4   5   6   11
4   5   6   12
5   6   7   8
5   6   7   9
5   6   7   10
5   6   7   11
5   6   7   12
6   7   8   9
6   7   8   10
6   7   8   11
6   7   8   12
7   8   9   10
7   8   9   11
7   8   9   12
8   9   10   11
8   9   10   12
9   10   11   12

[betatester]

Hello Jish, Keel44 and everybody.

Here attached you have a simple graphical excel sheet with the @keel modification to your original idea.
I've used the 45 "extended" sets of 12 numbers each.

Open and press F9, or load in column B your numbers. (Extent the formulas in the cells if you want a sample greater than than 100 spins)
I've set the "limit" in 6 consecutive hits as trigger.
It shall be represented in green in the columns.
If you didn't see a 7, it means that you hit at first.
If you do see a green 6 followed by a 7, or more in red... is just to show the steps on that particular progression until it stops to hit.
The most interesting thing that I've found is that you can find spins in which more than one set have the trigger in green simoultaneously.
It means that the set of streets against you play is reduced, and many time (if there his simoultaneity) you finish progressing against ONLY 18 numbers.
Just take a "visual" look, and see HOW MANY possibilities this model has.

Very, very good. Even thinking in less agresives progressions, because the hit rate on the 7 step looks very high.
In mean we finish having (simoultaneous or not) more than 5 times to see the trigger each 100 spins.

Thanks for sharing.

All the best.
Betatester.


PS: I've actualized the sheet because a minor mistake when 0 spuns.

[Jish]

Hello Jish, Keel44 and everybody.

Here attached you have a simple graphical excel sheet with the @keel modification to your original idea.
I've used the 45 "extended" sets of 12 numbers each.

Open and press F9, or load in column B your numbers. (Extent the formulas in the cells if you want a sample greater than than 100 spins)
I've set the "limit" in 6 consecutive hits as trigger.
It shall be represented in green in the columns.
If you didn't see a 7, it means that you hit at first.
If you do see a green 6 followed by a 7, or more in red... is just to show the steps on that particular progression until it stops to hit.
The most interesting thing that I've found is that you can find spins in which more than one set have the trigger in green simoultaneously.
It means that the set of streets against you play is reduced, and many time (if there his simoultaneity) you finish progressing against ONLY 18 numbers.
Just take a "visual" look, and see HOW MANY possibilities this model has.

Very, very good. Even thinking in less agresives progressions, because the hit rate on the 7 step looks very high.
In mean we finish having (simoultaneous or not) more than 5 times to see the trigger each 100 spins.

Thanks for sharing.

All the best.
Betatester.


PS: I've actualized the sheet because a minor mistake when 0 spuns.

wow! I'm very impressed betatester, next step for me is to write down all the 12 number combinations the streets can make, surely there would be a pattern so i can write them faster I never realised there were so many 12 number combinations in 37 numbers.
I saw the hit rate on 7 steps too, this MAYBE could be used with flat betting, but i will look into that later, thanks for your help i assume I just enter all the new combinations in the top cells and drag the formulas across?

[betatester]

Hello Jish.
There are 495 possibles sets of 12 elements taken 4 by 4.
But if you try to control all this sets it should be a mess.
First of all we must change the sheet and process it in different way, because there are ONLY 256 columns in excel.
I've tried transposing columns > rows, and it's a mess....
Each prediction afects too many sets.
@keel's sets are just one possibility.
But not the only btw all those 495.
If you take a look:
1   9
2   17
3   24
4   22
5   20
6   18
7   16
8   14
9   12
10   10
11   9
12   9

Those are the times that each group appairs in the sets....
#1 only 9 times... while #3 combines in 23 times.
It shall be a distribution in the chosen groups to make the combinations the most distributed as possible...
So we can find "n" sets but with an equal distribution, or apparences in the sets:
1: 15 times.
2: 15 times.
3: 15 times.
....
12: 15 times.

15 or 11 or another number, but covering the spread regulary.

I will take a look...

Thanks again.

Betatester.

[keel44]

I may have a way for tracking purposes.     This may not be suitable for proper testing, but more than suitable for playing.     What we want to look for is consecutive groups of 12 numbers other than the normal dozens and columns.     Let us letter the 12 streets A - L.     We will start tracking spins, and we will place the corresponding letter beside the number.     We will count back until we get 4 different letters.     We will watch and see when we get a few "like" combination's in a row.     Here is a little example from an online casino:

number spun then corresponding street number:

9 - C
12 - D
12 - D
16 - F
2 - A  (CDFA) --------- count back 4 different
12 - D (CDFA) ------ 6 in a row
20 - G (FADG)
36 - L (ADGL)
28 - J (DGLJ)
15 - E (GLJE)
32 - K (LJEK)
28 - J (LJEK)
31 - K (LJEK)
14 - E (LJEK)
28 - J (LJEK) -------------- 8 in a row here
6 - B (KEJB) -------------- streak broken

Yes, you have to look further than 4 back when you see the same 4 repeating, so you don't miss the numbers that started the streak in the first place.   It is easy to train the eye.   Just take it slow enough and remember 4 letters that's all.

Nice work so far guys.     Thanks for your efforts.   

[Jish]

Keel, all you would have to do is wait for 2 of the streets to repeat twice in 6 spins, there is your dozen

[Jish]

because there are ONLY 256 columns in excel

Im not sure which version you have, my columns just keep going and going and going?, ill be happy to finish imputting the data if you gave me a breif outline
PM sent

[keel44]

We are still looking for a lengthy set of 12 numbers, yes?  Your thread started out saying wait for 8 or 9 of the same dozens to appear in a row.   One cannot expect to really find any unless they stumble onto it.   So I say lets form our own groups of 12 which gives us more opportunities.   The 12 streets gives us many groupings.   With my tracking idea I posted, you let the long streaks reveal themselves to you, and you build your group of 12 around that.   My whole point is trying to find a long set of 12 "like" numbers more frequently and build a system around that concept.

[keel44]

I just did a quick 25 spins on an online casino to help illustrate my tracking:

Number Spun - Street Letter

1 - A
30 - J
1 - A
27 - I
14 - E (AJIE) ........5 IN A ROW HERE
10 - D (AIED)
7 - C (IEDC)
2 - A (EDCA)
14 - E (EDCA) ............5 IN A ROW HERE
23 - H (CAEH)
24 - H (CAEH)
23 - H (CAEH) .............6 IN A ROW HERE
34 - L (AEHL)
15 - E (AEHL) ............7 IN A ROW HERE
26 - I (EHLI) ..............7 IN A ROW HERE
28 - J (LEIJ)
12 - D (EIJD)
6 - B (IJDB)
12 - D (IJDB) ............5 IN A ROW HERE
35 - L (JDBL)
10 - D (JDBL)
12 - D (JDBL) ............7 IN A ROW HERE
26 - I (DBLI) .............7 IN A ROW HERE
2 - A (LDIA) .............6 IN A ROW HERE
33 - K (DIAK) ...........5 IN A ROW HERE PENDING

Every time I write "IN A ROW HERE" means that is where that group of 12 ended.  They are all different groupings.  In this example, every time it went to 7, the streak broke and a bet would have won.  You see, we are starting to get opportunities from only 25 numbers tracked.

thanks for reading.

[Jish]

Yes Keel I agree with the way you bet on this, , any ideas on progressions anyone?
I think martingale is a no go but if it holds up, why not though, it seems they all fade away before max progression is reached anyway. In the initial test It never passed the 5th stage of a 7 stage progression meaning I could have waited for 6 instead of 8 but I chose to have 2 steps up my sleeve incase I needed them
conclusion to that is the maximum number of any dozen was 13 consecutive which happened a couple of times, considering there is only a 33% chance of hitting a dozen you wouldnt expect it to hit for more than 15 in major extreme cases
any Ideas on how to run a simulation of spins beta?

[keel44]

     I have played for fun many times now using my tracking method.  I find lots of 7, 8, 9's in a row in only about 60 spins.  I have never came across a 10+, but I haven't played real long.  I think the best way to play this, using my tracking idea of course, is to bet 1 unit on the 8 streets after 7 misses in a row.  3 units per the 8 streets after 9 misses in a row.  9 units per street after 11 misses in a row.  That is all.  Don't chase the real long one.  You will suffer big time.

     I am finding plenty of opportunities of 7.  Obviously, if the streak ends after 8, you won't be on it, but so what.  Another 7 in a row is right around the corner.  I believe the hit rate is very good.

1 unit per 8 street after 7 misses in a row
3 units per 8 street after 9 misses in a row
9 units per 8 street after 11 misses in a row.......if lose STOP chasing

If the streak breaks while your not on it, wait for the next one

Give yourself a 200 unit bankroll

[Jish]

     I have played for fun many times now using my tracking method.  I find lots of 7, 8, 9's in a row in only about 60 spins.  I have never came across a 10+, but I haven't played real long.  I think the best way to play this, using my tracking idea of course, is to bet 1 unit on the 8 streets after 7 misses in a row.  3 units per the 8 streets after 9 misses in a row.  9 units per street after 11 misses in a row.  That is all.  Don't chase the real long one.  You will suffer big time.

     I am finding plenty of opportunities of 7.  Obviously, if the streak ends after 8, you won't be on it, but so what.  Another 7 in a row is right around the corner.  I believe the hit rate is very good.

1 unit per 8 street after 7 misses in a row
3 units per 8 street after 9 misses in a row
9 units per 8 street after 11 misses in a row.......if lose STOP chasing

If the streak breaks while your not on it, wait for the next one

Give yourself a 200 unit bankroll

keel, my progression is 0.25c on each, then 1,3,9......maybe 27 and if im really really adventurous 81. The longest streak in my initial data was 13 in a row, but I think you are on the right track with abandoning because there are alot of 7's & 8's, i myself played with this system for 4 hours today the longest streak I got was +3, i think we need a simulation sometime

[keel44]

keel, my progression is 0.25c on each, then 1,3,9......maybe 27 and if im really really adventurous 81. The longest streak in my initial data was 13 in a row, but I think you are on the right track with abandoning because there are alot of 7's & 8's, I myself played with this system for 4 hours today the longest streak I got was +3, I think we need a simulation sometime

What do you mean +3?

[keel44]

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