A Promising Repeater System.

[GLC]

guys,

Just did a quick test with the new rules.  The only change is that I start over anytime I'm at a new over-all high.

1st session   +65 units
2nd session  +35
3rd session   +7
4th session   +72
5th session   +54
6th session   +101
7th session   +53 units

That's a whopping win of 387 units in only 150 spins.

My largest draw-down was -185 units.  I also had draw-downs of -115 & -127.  The rest of the wins hit quickly.

Still looking good.

Cheers

[RouletteFanatic]

Hi glc, I also have similar success using the tweak with the same rules!
Also, if you want to be on a safer side just restart progression after first hit. There will be times it would be negative on first hit, but the trend is profits going up.

GLC, do you think we might have stumbled unto a holy grail?

seriously my whole body is just tingling with excitement..hope i don't get disappointed this time like how it happens when you thought you discovered something that works but doesn't after awhile..

[RouletteFanatic]

Though theres one session I had a downdraw of -771 units, but at the 16 units/numbers progression managed to breakeven.

This system is good and I would dare say can be profitable, but a fair share of human interaction is needed, you need to know when to quit and at what stage of the progression..

[keel44]

I just wanted to know if anyone has been using my rules I posted?  I tried many, many times visually, and it holds up every time.

If someone has tested using different rules, could you post those rules?  I am curious.

KEEL

[GLC]

I just wanted to know if anyone has been using my rules I posted?  I tried many, many times visually, and it holds up every time.

If someone has tested using different rules, could you post those rules?  I am curious.

KEEL

Guys,

I just finished testing 13 more sessions.  Results are not so good this time.  I had 4 losing sessions for a total of -1008 units and 9 winning sessions for a total of +826 units.  Overall loss was -182 units.  This was in a 310 spin period.

Keel, I was using your rules except I forgot to start tracking again when I had a three hit before getting my 3 two hit numbers.  I will re-run the numbers again and see how much effect this would have had if I had played strictly by your rules.

G

[GLC]

Hi glc, I also have similar success using the tweak with the same rules!
Also, if you want to be on a safer side just restart progression after first hit. There will be times it would be negative on first hit, but the trend is profits going up.

GLC, do you think we might have stumbled unto a holy grail?

seriously my whole body is just tingling with excitement..hope I don't get disappointed this time like how it happens when you thought you discovered something that works but doesn't after awhile..

RF,

I will be totally shocked if this turns out to be a HG.  I've tested and played so many systems that did really good for quite a while only to tank later.  I think what happens is that we keep testing the system because we just happen to be in a favorable spin sequence(s) for that system.  If we had hit some bad sequences early, we would never keep testing.  We'd immediately go on to something else.  Still very early to make a judgment on this one.

What I'm hoping is that it makes a profit often enough for us to put some solid playing parameters on it so that in the long run we can come out ahead, maybe like Fender's ZONE system.  In a computer test it fails, but according to Fender and Stackbundles and maybe even Atlantis, it can be played so that it is a winner.

Let's keep working at it.  Slow and easy.  I hate throwing good money after an almost HG.

G.

[GLC]

Guys,

I just finished testing 13 more sessions.  Results are not so good this time.  I had 4 losing sessions for a total of -1008 units and 9 winning sessions for a total of +826 units.  Overall loss was -182 units.  This was in a 310 spin period.

Keel, I was using your rules except I forgot to start tracking again when I had a three hit before getting my 3 two hit numbers.  I will re-run the numbers again and see how much effect this would have had if I had played strictly by your rules.

G

Keel,

After re-playing these spins according to the rules you posted, I played 12 instead of 13 sessions in almost the exact same number of spins.  I had 3 losing sessions totalling -750 units and 9 winning sessions totalling +802 resulting in an over-all profit of + 52 units.

I notice that the thing that kills the system is to hit too many 2 repeats early which drives the number of units bet per spin through the roof and if a 3peat doesn't come along quickly, you hit the $250 loss quickly.

I had 4 sessions with the first hit leaving me still under $50 up, so had to play on, reducing bets to 1 unit per number.  I won 3 and lost 1 of these multiple hit sessions, so that rule seems to add to the overall profitability of the system.

Still, too few spins to know for sure.  Let's keep analysing and testing.

[RouletteFanatic]

1st session I tried, rule is following glc's method, anytime where a repeater appears bet 1 unit on that number, another one appears then bet 2 unit on 2 numbers. The rule is, I don't stop at 10 units/numbers, but continued to 35 units/numbers just for the heck of it to see how the progression fares..

Anytime a spin hits a win, I would record the overall bankroll balance beside the wins of that spin,according to the diagram below. Hope its not confusing and you guys can study it.

(no.ofspins/spin number/color) (amt won or loss in that spin/overall bankroll balance) (actions taken) (notes)

1 35 B      
2 5 R      
3 22 B      
4 21 R      
5 34 R      
6 16 R      
7 20 B      
8 35 B      bet 1 unit 35
9 26 B   -1   
10 29 B   -1   
11 26 B   -1   bet 2 unit on 26,35
12 7 R   -4   
13 34 R   -9   bet 3 unit on 26,34,35
14 27 R   -9   
15 10 B   -9   
16 4 B   -9   
17 0 G   -9   
18 10 B   -9   bet 4 units on 10,26,34,35
19 34 R   128   67 (at first hit +67 units bankroll)
20 36 R   -16   
21 11 B   -16   
22 22 B   -16   bet 5 units on 10,22,26,34,35
23 0 G   -25   bet 6 units on 0,10,22,26,34,35
24 30 R   -36   
25 23 R   -36   
26 16 R   -36   
27 9 R   -36   
28 3 R   -36   
29 24 B   -36   
30 26 B   180   -42 (2nd hit, -42 units bankroll)
31 30 R   -36   bet 7 units on 0,10,22,26,30,34,35
32 22 B   203   125 (3rd hit, +125 units bankroll)
33 26 B   203   328 (4th hit, +328 units bankroll...you get the picture?)
34 3 R   -49   bet 8 units on 0,3,10,22,26,30,34,35
35 19 R   -64   
36 18 R   -64   
37 26 B   224   375
38 9 R   -64   bet 9 units on 0,3,9,10,22,26,30,34,35
39 17 B   -81   
40 29 B   -81   bet 10 units on 0,3,9,10,22,26,29,30,34,35
41 3 R   260   409
42 16 R   -100   bet 11 units on 0,3,9,10,16,22,26,29,30,34,35
43 12 R   -121   
44 24 B   -121   bet 12 units on 0,3,9,10,16,22,24,26,29,30,34,35
45 15 B   -144   
46 9 R   288   211
47 22 B   288   499
48 20 B   -144   bet 13 units on 0,3,9,10,16,20,22,24,26,29,30,34,35
49 9 R   299   654
50 2 B   -169   
51 23 R   -169   bet 14 units on 0,3,9,10,16,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
52 6 B   -196   
53 0 G   308   428
54 29 B   308   736
55 11 B   -196   bet 15 units on 0,3,9,10,11,16,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
56 19 R   -225   bet 16 units on 0,3,9,10,11,16,19,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
57 34 R   351   666
58 23 R   351   1017
59 34 R   351   1368
60 12 R   -225   bet 17 units on 0,3,9,10,11,12,16,19,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
61 15 B   -289   bet 18 units on  0,3,9,10,11,12,15,16,19,20,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35
62 1 R   -324   
63 26 B   324   854
64 11 B   324   1178
65 12 R   324   1502   
66 3 R   324   1826   
67 3 R   324   2150   
68 34 R   324   2474   (peak profit of +2474 recorded at 18 units/18 numbers)
69 33 B   -324      
70 21 R   -324   bet 19 units on 0,3,9,10,11,12,15,16,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35   
71 3 R   323   2149   
72 13 B   -361      
73 31 B   -361      
74 15 B   323   1750   
75 3 R   323   2073   
76 18 R   -361   bet 20 units on 0,3,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,29,30,34,35   
77 27 R   -400   bet 21 units on  0,3,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,34,35   
78 32 R   -441      
79 25 R   -441      
80 19 R   315   745   
81 12 R   315   1060
82 5 R   -441   bet 22 units on 0,3,5,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,34,35
83 0 G   308   927
84 5 R   308   1235
85 29 B   308   1543
86 18 R   308   1851
87 16 R   308   2159
88 20 B   308   2467
89 36 R   -484   bet 23 units on 0,3,5,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,34,35,36
90 21 R   299   2282
91 33 B   -529   bet 24 units on  0,3,5,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
92 2 B   -576   bet 25 units on 0,2,3,5,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
93 0 G   275   1452
94 6 B   -625   bet 26 units on  0,2,3,5,6,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
95 7 R   -676   bet 27 units on 0,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
96 23 R   243   394
97 19 R   243   637
98 3 R   243   880
99 10 B   243   1123
100 35 B   243   1366
101 13 B   -729   bet 28 units on  0,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,33,34,35,36
102 13 B   224   861
103 31 B   -784   bet 29 units on 0,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,26,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36
104 19 R   203   280
105 8 B   -841   
106 27 R   203   -358
107 5 R   203   -155
108 30 R   203   48
109 19 R   203   251
110 13 B   203   454
111 6 B   203   657
112 33 B   203   860
113 3 R   203   1063   
114 4 B   -841      
115 11 B   203   425   
116 6 B   203   628   
117 25 R   -841   bet 30 units on 0,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36   
118 26 B   180   -33   
119 21 R   180   147   
120 26 B   180   327   last spin at +ve balance (bankroll couldn't recover after 30 spins/30 numbers)
121 1 R   -900   bet 31 units on 0,1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,33,34,35,36   
122 32 R   -961   bet 32 units on 0,1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36   
123 32 R   128   -1406   
124 6 B   128   -1278   
125 35 B   128      couldn't recover any more..
126 2 B   128      
127 16 R   128      
128 14 R   -1024      
129 3 R   128   
130 9 R   128   
131 23 R   128   
132 0 G   128   
133 21 R   128   
134 17 B   -1024   bet 33 units on 0,1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
135 22 B   99   
136 21 R   99   
137 14 R   -1089   bet 34 units on     0,1,2,3,5,6,7,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
138 29 B   68   
139 9 R   68   
140 1 R   68   
141 6 B   68   
142 23 R   68   
143 34 R   68   
144 31 B   68   
145 31 B   68   
146 15 B   68   
147 16 R   68   
148 3 R   68   
149 20 B   68   
150 1 R   68   
151 24 B   68   
152 13 B   68   
153 4 B   -1156   bet 35 on all cept 8,28
154 9 R   35   
155 3 R   35   
156 30 R   35   
157 12 R   35   
158 21 R   35   
159 32 R   35   
160 13 B   35   
161 7 R   35
162 36 R   35
163 20 B   35
164 32 R   35
165 1 R   35
166 24 B   35
167 30 R   35
168 14 R   35
169 5 R   35
170 2 B   35
171 27 R   35
172 20 B   35
173 15 B   35
174 19 R   35
175 36 R   35
176 19 R   35
177 23 R   35
178 17 B   35
179 25 R   35
180 29 B   35
181 0 G   35
182 8 B   -1225


As you can see in the progression, it seems like the trend is like a mountain, going up then down (but a very jagged one)

18 spins/18 numbers seems like the peak profit area, while continuing after 30 spins/numbers would mean being unable to recover bankroll.

[RouletteFanatic]

2nd session I tried.

(no.ofspins/spin number/color) (amt won or loss in that spin/overall bankroll balance) (actions taken) (notes)

183 1 R   
184 16 R   
185 14 R   
186 19 R   
187 17 B   
188 32 R   
189 8 B   
190 23 R   
191 35 B   
192 6 B   
193 5 R      
194 11 B      
195 14 R      1 unit on 14
196 36 R   -1   
197 23 R   -1   2 unit on 14,23
198 29 B   -4   
199 15 B   -4   
200 3 R   -4   
201 25 R   -4   
202 32 R   -4   
203 32 R   -4   3 unit on 14,23,32
204 5 R   -9   4 unit on 5,14,23,32
205 27 R   -16   
206 9 R   -16   
207 9 R   -16   5 unit on 5,9,14,23,32
208 11 B   -25   6 unit on 5,9,11,14,23,32
209 12 R   -36   
210 20 B   -36   
211 15 B   -36   7 unit on 5,9,11,14,15,23,32
212 24 B   -49   
213 5 R   203   -62
214 21 R   -49   
215 12 R   -49   8 unit on 5,9,11,12,14,15,23,32
216 7 R   224   64
217 34 R   -64   
218 22 B   -64   
219 8 B   -64   9 unit on 5,8,9,11,12,14,15,23,32
220 22 B   -81   
221 8 B   243   34
222 33 B   -81   
223 6 B   -81   10 unit on 5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,23,32
224 1 R   -100   11 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,23,32
225 17 B   -121   12 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,32
226 5 R   288   -61
227 12 R   288   227
228 28 B   -144   
229 27 R   -144   13 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,32
230 30 R   -169   
231 5 R   300   70
232 36 R   -169   14 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,32,36
233 0 G   -196   
234 9 R   308   13
235 31 B   -196   
236 8 B   308   125
237 33 B   -196   15 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,32,33,36
238 9 R   315   244
239 30 R   -225   16 unit 1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,30,32,33,36
240 36 R   320   339
241 5 R   320   659   
242 2 B   -256      
243 0 G   -256   17 unit 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,30,32,33,36   
244 5 R   323   470   
245 28 B   -289   18 unit 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,23,27,28,30,32,33,36   
246 22 B   -324   19 unit 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,22,23,27,28,30,32,33,36   
247 25 R   -361   20 unit 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,22,23,25,27,28,30,32,33,36   
248 33 B   320   -184   
249 23 R   320   136   
250 30 R   320   456   
251 0 G   320   776   peak profit (peak profit of +776 recorded at 20 units/20 numbers)
252 31 B   -400   21 unit on 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,22,23,25,27,28,30,31,32,33,36   
253 20 B   -441   22 unit on 0,1,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,20,22,23,25,27,28,30,31,32,33,36   
254 8 B   308   243   
255 12 R   308   551   
256 13 B   -484      
257 2 B   -484   23 unit on 0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,20,22,23,25,27,28,30,31,32,33,36   
258 29 B   -529   24 unit on  0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,17,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,36   
259 28 B   288   -658   
260 22 B   288   -370   
261 27 R   288   -82   
262 33 B   288   206   (last spin at +ve balance at 24 units/numbers)
263 16 R   -576   25 unit on 0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,36   
264 18 R   -625      
265 10 B   -625      
266 2 B   275   -1345   
267 14 R   275   -1070   
268 19 R   -625   26 unit on 0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,36   
269 15 B   260   -1435   
270 20 B   260   -1175   
271 25 R   260   -915   
272 35 B   -676   27 unit 0,1,2,5,6,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,35,36   
273 24 B   -729   
274 16 R   243   -2077
275 7 R   -729   28 unit  0,1,2,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,35,36
276 12 R   224   -2582
277 15 B   224   -2358
278 20 B   224   -2134
279 27 R   224   -1910
280 17 B   224   -1686
281 8 B   224   -1462
282 34 R   -784   29 unit 0,1,2,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
283 21 R   -841   30 unit 0,1,2,5,6,7,8,9,11,12,14,15,16,17,19,20,21,22,23,25,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36
284 21 R   180   -2907
285 33 B   180   -2727
286 26 B   -900   
287 36 R   180   
288 1 R   180   
289 34 R   180      
290 0 G   180   -2907   
291 18 R   -900   31 unit on all except 3,4,10,13,24,26   
292 7 R   155      
293 13 B   -961   32 unit all except 3,4,10,24,26   
294 21 R   128      
295 36 R   128      
296 26 B   -1024   33 unit all except 3,4,10,24   
297 31 B   99      
298 15 B   99      
299 1 R   99      
300 28 B   99      
301 28 B   99      
302 16 R   99      
303 7 R   99      
304 2 B   99      
305 1 R   99   
306 25 R   99   
307 4 B   -1089   
308 13 B   99   
309 13 B   99   
310 13 B   99   
311 13 B   99   
312 33 B   99   
313 27 R   99   
314 10 B   -1089   34 unit all cept 3,4,24
315 34 R   68   
316 11 B   68   
317 28 B   68   
318 16 R   68   
319 10 B   68   
320 4 B   -1156   35 unit on all cept 3,24
321 7 R   35
322 0 G   35
323 29 B   35
324 5 R   35
325 0 G   35
326 19 R   35
327 5 R   35
328 20 B   35
329 32 R   35
330 35 B   35
331 5 R   35
332 6 B   35
333 31 B   35
334 35 B   35
335 7 R   35
336 21 R   35
337 22 B   35
338 36 R   35
339 28 B   35
340 33 B   35
341 8 B   35
342 28 B   35
343 4 B   35
344 14 R   35
345 1 R   35
346 25 R   35
347 32 R   35
348 10 B   35
349 36 R   35
350 35 B   35
351 18 R   35
352 7 R   35
353 21 R   35
354 31 B   35
355 34 R   35
356 33 B   35
357 36 R   35
358 15 B   35
359 11 B   35
360 2 B   35
361 17 B   35
362 35 B   35
363 21 R   35
364 22 B   35
365 2 B   35
366 3 R   35
367 5 R   35
368 26 B   35
369 20 B   35
370 13 B   35
371 15 B   35
372 30 R   35
373 22 B   35
374 36 R   35
375 25 R   35
376 17 B   35
377 20 B   35
378 17 B   35
379 13 B   35
380 12 R   35
381 18 R   35
382 35 B   35
383 20 B   35
384 29 B   35
385 30 R   35
386 15 B   35
387 31 B   35
388 21 R   35
389 24 B   -1225

In this 2nd session, peak profit was way lower at +774 units and at 20 units/numbers. This satisfies my theory that progression is like a mountain going up until half of the roulette numbers (37/2), around 18-19 units/numbers or so where it reaches its peak profit then after which it declines.

last positive bankroll happened pretty quick at 24 units/24 numbers..

This method is a sure winner in a sense that it seems the trend is for the profits/loss to go up until around 18-19 units/numbers before declining quite rapidly. if one can exit before 18-19 units/numbers, one can profit heftly.

The only reason I see this not happening is if a lot of 2 repeaters hitting without repeating a third time. However, if you have a good exit strategy, it seems to me it can be profitable when exiting every-time its at its peak or at a high balance..


GLC,Keel or Hermes, would greatly appreciate if you can feedback or have further comments on this

[RouletteFanatic]

Guys,

I just finished testing 13 more sessions.  Results are not so good this time.  I had 4 losing sessions for a total of -1008 units and 9 winning sessions for a total of +826 units.  Overall loss was -182 units.  This was in a 310 spin period.

Keel, I was using your rules except I forgot to start tracking again when I had a three hit before getting my 3 two hit numbers.  I will re-run the numbers again and see how much effect this would have had if I had played strictly by your rules.

G

GLC, how come you had 4 losing sessions? All my sessions were winning... I tried your method of betting 1 unit/1number at first repeat and so on, though continuing after 10 units/numbers (not stopping like how you first suggested). It seems like the trend is going up till about 18-19 units/numbers where after which it would decline drastically..

[Jakkalsdraai]

Sorry guys your efforts are great but no mechanical system can and will ever work. Not in the longterm anyway. And a large progression is not going to change that. What you do not realize is that as much as what you think a progression works for you .... 10 x fold it works against you when the house of cards come down.

BTW this system with 20 spins and using the numbers that has hit twice has been used before. Should be in the archives under full systems somewhere. It just does not work.

[RouletteFanatic]

I don't know man. Maybe you're correct in the sense that it doesn't win all the time, But if you studied the progression it hits its peak at 18-19 units/numbers.

So the ground rules are as follow, exit every time when new overall high balance is reached, if its not reached, exit at 18 units/numbers.

My test results, every time exiting at a "new overall high balance" are as follows:

in 700+ spins, I profited 2360 units.

[Jakkalsdraai]

I don't know man. Maybe you're correct in the sense that it doesn't win all the time, But if you studied the progression it hits its peak at 18-19 units/numbers.

So the ground rules are as follow, exit every time when new overall high balance is reached, if its not reached, exit at 18 units/numbers.

Anyway, I don't believe that no mechanical system can't win in the long run. Simple fact that there are guys coding RX with a profit even after 100k or even a million spins..How do you explain that?

Well first of all who are those people? Don't just take people's word for things like that.

Secondly what are the drawdowns like? You know you have to ask yourself the question is a system successful if it shows a profit after 100K spins of $1. What would the point be? Even if you had a system that made $1 after 10 mil spins. What would the point be and is it the HG? Because it made $1 and is therefore in profit? What are looking for is to turn the house edge around. and seriously there is only a few ways to do that and mechanical systems ain't one of them. Sorry mate.

[Jack Wad]

Yup, sorry to piss on your bonfire, but I gotta agree with the Jackal. .     

This lame system is as old as the hills,

And has about as much chance of success as South Africa winning the World Cup. .   !

[Jakkalsdraai]

Yup, sorry to piss on your bonfire, but I gotta agree with the Jackal. .     

This lame system is as old as the hills,

And has about as much chance of success as South Africa winning the World Cup. .   !

I assume you are referring to Soccer and not Rugby right?

[Jakkalsdraai]

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